View Full Version : Rick Santorum Countering the surge
realtonygoodwin
12-31-2011, 03:08 PM
KThese are quotes by or about Rick Santorum. We need to spread these far and wide, through blogs, news article comments, talk radio, forums, in conversations, on Twitter, on Facebook, etc.
These are all from the Club for Growth.
" there is a troubling part of Santorum’s record on spending, which is found in the years sandwiched between these periods of fiscal restraint. His record is plagued by the big-spending habits that Republicans adopted during the Bush years of 2001-2006. Some of those high profile votes include his support for No Child Left Behind in 2001, which greatly expanded the federal government’s role in education. He supported the massive new Medicare drug entitlement in 2003 that now costs taxpayers over $60 billion a year and has almost $16 trillion in unfunded liabilities. He voted for the 2005 highway bill that included thousands of wasteful earmarks, including the Bridge to Nowhere. In fact, in a separate vote, Santorum had the audacity to vote to continue funding the Bridge to Nowhere rather than send the money to rebuild New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina."
"In the 2003-2004 session of Congress, Santorum sponsored or cosponsored 51 bills to increase spending, and failed to sponsor or co-sponsor even one spending cut proposal. In his last Congress (2005-2006), he had one of the biggest spending agendas of any Republican --sponsoring more spending increases than Republicans Lisa Murkowski, Lincoln Chafee and Thad Cochran or Democrats Herb Kohl, Evan Bayh and Ron Wyden."
"He also voted YES on Sarbanes-Oxley, which was an overreaching bill that tried to tighten accounting regulations following the Enron scandal.
Like many of his colleagues, Santorum has also flip-flopped on government’s role in the housing market. In late 2000, Santorum wrote an op-ed encouraging more home ownership, particularly for low-income families, with the help of government assistance, whether it was through the Federal Housing Administration, or Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
hells_unicorn
12-31-2011, 04:31 PM
You left out the fact that in 2004 he endorsed Arlen Specter (the former pro-choice Republican from Pennsylvania turned Democrat) against Pat Toomey (current Republican occupant of the seat who is very much pro-life). This should shatter some of that support amongst so-called Evangelical voters.
coffeewithgames
12-31-2011, 04:59 PM
Someone already on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Em-Wh943E
This guy claims to be a conservative? I'm broke, can't pay my bills, so will you give me MORE credit please?
TurboTenderloin
12-31-2011, 05:19 PM
Rick Santorum is such an unlikable person. Do you really think he's a threat against RP?
He insults a lot of people.
Steve-in-NY
12-31-2011, 05:20 PM
I think the pics of his events with 5 ppl to show the so called surge as media orchastrated is fun too
freedoms-light
12-31-2011, 06:02 PM
The Huck supporters also have misgivings about Santorum.
His Endorsement of Romney in 2008, along with him dissing the Huckster doesn't sit
well with some of the Huck supporters.
Example:
"I get an icky feeling when I see too much support for any single candidate on this Huckabee forum; especially candidates who tried to derail Huckabee in the past. It just stinks. I don't like this feeling when there are members here I respect that appear to have been absorbed into some other camp; I mostly want to express my lack of desire to be in any form of "Santorum's Army". He is an unremarkable man. I guess we can blame Gov. Huckabee for putting us in this awkward situation. I wish we had our unity candidate; it would make things a lot easier."
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Mike Huckabee...is so wrong on national security; he is so unprepared at a time when our country is at war, to be commander in chief of this country. If he was running for governor of the United States he'd be seriously considered, but he's not. Maybe there's a time down the road that he'll understand the ramifications of the war that we have... If you're a conservative, there really is only one place to go right now.. I would even argue farther than that; If you're a Republican in the broadest sense, there is only one place to go right now, and that's Mitt Romney.-- Sen. Rick Santorum, 2/1/2008, 4 days before Super Tuesday
realtonygoodwin
12-31-2011, 06:05 PM
Rick Santorum is such an unlikable person. Do you really think he's a threat against RP?
He insults a lot of people.
He is a threat in Iowa.
TurboTenderloin
12-31-2011, 06:10 PM
I think most people in WA (where I'm from) dislike Rick Santorum. I can't imagine anyone actually liking this guy.
realtonygoodwin
12-31-2011, 08:29 PM
You left out the fact that in 2004 he endorsed Arlen Specter (the former pro-choice Republican from Pennsylvania turned Democrat) against Pat Toomey (current Republican occupant of the seat who is very much pro-life). This should shatter some of that support amongst so-called Evangelical voters.
Yes, that is an extremely important point. Let's get these talking points out there!
rich34
01-01-2012, 02:20 AM
It might be to little to late at this point, I certainly hope not.
i see santorum finishing 3rd and being as excited as howard dean was to finish 3rd. i just hope they express their excitement in the same way.
rambone
01-01-2012, 03:21 AM
We should start putting "Google Santorum" bumper-stickers on our cars.
We should start putting "Google Santorum" bumper-stickers on our cars.
Is it too late for Iowans to do a "Google Santorum" sign wave?
TurboTenderloin
01-01-2012, 03:36 AM
What's up with Iowa that they would even be interested in this guy? He's such a hateful human being... and he looks the way farts smell.
socal
01-01-2012, 03:38 AM
In 2006, when every half wit should have known Iraq didn't have any WMD, here is Santorum saying we finally found them. And people take his current claims about Iran seriously?
Defense Department Disavows Santorum’s WMD Claims
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2006/06/21/5920/dod-disavows-santorum/
Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.
Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
Fox’s Alan Colmes broke the news to Santorum. Watch it:
socal
01-01-2012, 03:46 AM
As was pointed out in a different thread, the only surge Santorum is encountering is a surge in the dinosaur media talking about his surge. One obvious way to counter this surge is to turn off your television.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4pgQPUkMLU
lol @ santorum and hannity
qh4dotcom
01-01-2012, 05:19 AM
You left out the fact that in 2004 he endorsed Arlen Specter (the former pro-choice Republican from Pennsylvania turned Democrat) against Pat Toomey (current Republican occupant of the seat who is very much pro-life). This should shatter some of that support amongst so-called Evangelical voters.
You also forgot Specter was the swing vote that was responsible for getting Obamacare passed in the Senate..and he was one of 3 swing votes responsible for getting the stimulus bill passed.
How disastrous was Specter prevailing over Toomey in 2004?
In April 2009, Specter switched parties giving the Democrats a 60th vote in the Senate when Al Franken was declared the winner in Minnesota and sworn in after court challenges in July 2009.
Specter put that vote to good use casting the 60th vote for cloture on Obamacare in late December 2009.
Having enabled Obamacare to proceed to a full vote, Specter cast the 50th vote for Obamacare (guaranteeing passage because Biden could cast a tie breaker):
They’re nothing if not prompt. Voting has begun on HR 3590, the Senate’s health care bill. It only needs 50 votes to pass; the only suspense is whether or not it will receive all 60 Democratic votes. C-SPAN is using the special running tally it reserves for important votes.
That’s it. Arlen Specter, the former Republican, secures the 50th vote needed for passage.
Does this mean Rick Santorum was responsible for Obamacare? No, not directly, and certainly not by design.
But endorsements have consequences. It was not hard to foresee in 2004 that Specter would vote with Democrats on some important issues, even if the issues could not be predicted in advance.
The historical fact is that if Pat Toomey wins in 2004, Democrats never get to 60 in 2009, and we never get Obamacare. Santorum helped defeat Toomey.
Update: How close did Toomey come? He lost by just 17,146 votes out of over 1,044,000 cast in the primary. Santorum’s endorsement mattered.
http://legalinsurrection.com/2011/12/how-disastrous-was-santorums-endorsement-of-specter-can-you-say-obamacare/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2y3js2OQ4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZSSTxgeXKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fNOmh0EGRIg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZX6XCT3Z8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03zFTTqHScI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HOb0NEJ1E
LibertyEagle
01-01-2012, 05:38 AM
Seriously, you won't believe how many Republicans still believe that there were WMDs in Iraq. I don't think we want to go down this path. There are too many other things to go after Santorum on. Specter is a good one. Didn't he also support TARP?
John of Des Moines
01-01-2012, 06:33 AM
Is it too late for Iowans to do a "Google Santorum" sign wave?
It would motivate a lot of his soft supporters to show up and caucus for him. Gains nothing for Paul to even mention it and gives Santorum votes.
Edit:
LibertyEagle said:
Didn't he also support TARP?
I recall Paul pointing out at one of the debates that only he and Santorum did not support TARP.
4114Liberty
01-01-2012, 09:44 AM
I just wanted to add this here; it's similar to what I wrote at Grassroots folder.
I've been working all night on the Santorum problem.
1. Santorum wants to privatize social security. Older votes care about this more than anything.
2. his primary strength is sincerity. Find an issue to attack to make him look like a quack. He did connect abortion rates to the decline in social security worker youth, supporting retirees. Not everyone would be happy with this morbid link and line of thinking.
I believe that he is weakest on social security. [note I don't care even if his position is similar in anyway to ours; we can still attack him] Most of the people that seem to be Santorum are older or at least not really young. If it's the younger votes, Romney is coming in second to us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum
santorumexposed.com/
What's happening in West Iowa? I saw that in 2008 Romney and Clinton won. Is that area more religious, socially conservative? Are we preventing Romney and Santorum in the outlining areas?
I'll get back to my tasks, and I'll update later.
4114Liberty
01-01-2012, 09:52 AM
Also I just want to add that Santorum seems like a weirdo, kind of high-strung [not to be impolite]
Here's another tidbit from Wikipedia
"During his time at the law firm Kirkpatrick & Lockhart, he represented the World Wrestling Federation, arguing that professional wrestling should be exempt from federal anabolic steroid regulations because it was not a sport.[12] Santorum left private practice after being elected to the House in 1990."
Kind of like a pretend tough guy. I don't think he's a vet is he?
He comes off like this pushy, know-it-all, but I don't think that he actually saw any action, did he?
Find some way to make him look insincere. The other day on TV I saw someone say that they admired the sincerity of Ron Paul and Santorum, so maybe it's not even a values voter thing. Maybe on some straight talk level the guy's connecting. may a John McCain type appeal? I don't know if that's the right way to say it.
Got to make Santorum look fake; if sincerity is his rise; emptiness of vision, lack of ideas in truly troubled times will be his downfall.
There may be a lot of undecideds or soft support [for other candidate] Tuesday. Watch out for Santorum and Romney's persuaders.
Our presenters have to be strong!
BELIEVE THAT WE WILL WIN,
AND WE WILL WIN!
klamath
01-01-2012, 10:00 AM
I just wanted to add this here; it's similar to what I wrote at Grassroots folder.
I've been working all night on the Santorum problem.
1. Santorum wants to privatize social security. Older votes care about this more than anything.
2. his primary strength is sincerity. Find an issue to attack to make him look like a quack. He did connect abortion rates to the decline in social security worker youth, supporting retirees. Not everyone would be happy with this morbid link and line of thinking.
I believe that he is weakest on social security. [note I don't care even if his position is similar in anyway to ours; we can still attack him] Most of the people that seem to be Santorum are older or at least not really young. If it's the younger votes, Romney is coming in second to us.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum
santorumexposed.com/
What's happening in West Iowa? I saw that in 2008 Romney and Clinton won. Is that area more religious, socially conservative? Are we preventing Romney and Santorum in the outlining areas?
I'll get back to my tasks, and I'll update later.
You are making him look good to Republican voters. I haven't been paying any attention to Santorum and what you just presented gave me a better opinion of him.
The New Deal Sucked
01-01-2012, 12:02 PM
While the rational average American instantly gets a bad taste in their mouth every time Rick Santorum opens his... There are those Conservatives out there who suffer from the "Anybody but Obama! Syndrome" and Santorum is their latest choice because he hasn't faced the scrutiny yet. Sadly for us its great timing for his surge, because we don't have much time to expose him for who he is. Additionally I don't see Santorum being much of a threat past Iowa. If he finishes strong AND Perry/Bachmann drop out we could be dealing with a bigger problem, but right now those three are splitting a lot of the same votes. I am sure a lot of Cain supporters have also gravitated towards him because his record hasn't been exposed yet.
All these being said, here are a few points you can use to hammer Santorum with when speaking to the Jim Robinson types. Often it is valuable to not scream "RON PAUL" in their face because they have such a strong emotional (not rational) bias towards the good doctor. Point out the flaws of Santorum first and if you get somewhere with them, then maybe slide in a couple Ron Paul lines. Some people just can't be reasoned with, so don't waste your time if they simply won't budge. There are many other people out there who can be persuaded.
Hope some find this useful :)
1. Red-State's own Erick Erickson says:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/29/rick-santorum-earmarxists-and-the-pro-life-statist/
"That’s Rick Santorum. He sees government as the means to conservative ends. But in using government to get conservative ends he has expanded government and set precedents for liberals to use government in the same ways for more liberal government. Rick Santorum was complicit in making Americans more dependent on government and justified it under the rubric of compassion."
2. Voted YES on Sarbanes-Oxley (Economy is most important issue to the average voter)
Here Rick Santorum voted for it initially, but now cries for it to be repealed. Growing trend amongst these other candidates, "Well I was for it BUT NOW IM NOT"
http://reason.com/quiz/GOP2011/profile/rick-santorum
"Sen. Santorum voted for the Sarbanes-Oxley law that he now wants to repeal. He also backed steel tariffs and was a player in the GOP's corporatist K Street Project. After initial opposition to the program, he became a big AmeriCorps booster." (More on K-Street later)
3. Supported the K-Street Project
http://www.aei.org/article/politics-and-public-opinion/elections/santorums-denials-on-k-street-project-dont-ring-true/
Isn't this what the Tea Party movement was all about? Fighting Crony Capitalism! The K-Street Project just reeks of it and anyone who is serious about smaller government and less corruption, can't serious support a candidate who was involved in this.
4. Supported Medicare Part D and "No Child Left Behind"
You should be able to clearly articulate why both of these programs are clearly not Conservative, if not look deeply into both. Could have a whole thread on just these two topics.
5. Support of Arlen Specter
Pro-Choice Senator who ended up switching to (D)... Isn't that what people are tired of in politicians. Being bought?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HOb0NEJ1E&feature=related
6. The last time he ran for Senate he was defeated by the largest margin of defeat ever for an incumbent Republican Senator in PA.
realtonygoodwin
01-01-2012, 01:18 PM
While the rational average American instantly gets a bad taste in their mouth every time Rick Santorum opens his... There are those Conservatives out there who suffer from the "Anybody but Obama! Syndrome" and Santorum is their latest choice because he hasn't faced the scrutiny yet. Sadly for us its great timing for his surge, because we don't have much time to expose him for who he is. Additionally I don't see Santorum being much of a threat past Iowa. If he finishes strong AND Perry/Bachmann drop out we could be dealing with a bigger problem, but right now those three are splitting a lot of the same votes. I am sure a lot of Cain supporters have also gravitated towards him because his record hasn't been exposed yet.
All these being said, here are a few points you can use to hammer Santorum with when speaking to the Jim Robinson types. Often it is valuable to not scream "RON PAUL" in their face because they have such a strong emotional (not rational) bias towards the good doctor. Point out the flaws of Santorum first and if you get somewhere with them, then maybe slide in a couple Ron Paul lines. Some people just can't be reasoned with, so don't waste your time if they simply won't budge. There are many other people out there who can be persuaded.
Hope some find this useful :)
1. Red-State's own Erick Erickson says:
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/12/29/rick-santorum-earmarxists-and-the-pro-life-statist/
"That’s Rick Santorum. He sees government as the means to conservative ends. But in using government to get conservative ends he has expanded government and set precedents for liberals to use government in the same ways for more liberal government. Rick Santorum was complicit in making Americans more dependent on government and justified it under the rubric of compassion."
2. Voted YES on Sarbanes-Oxley (Economy is most important issue to the average voter)
Here Rick Santorum voted for it initially, but now cries for it to be repealed. Growing trend amongst these other candidates, "Well I was for it BUT NOW IM NOT"
http://reason.com/quiz/GOP2011/profile/rick-santorum
"Sen. Santorum voted for the Sarbanes-Oxley law that he now wants to repeal. He also backed steel tariffs and was a player in the GOP's corporatist K Street Project. After initial opposition to the program, he became a big AmeriCorps booster." (More on K-Street later)
3. Supported the K-Street Project
http://www.aei.org/article/politics-and-public-opinion/elections/santorums-denials-on-k-street-project-dont-ring-true/
Isn't this what the Tea Party movement was all about? Fighting Crony Capitalism! The K-Street Project just reeks of it and anyone who is serious about smaller government and less corruption, can't serious support a candidate who was involved in this.
4. Supported Medicare Part D and "No Child Left Behind"
You should be able to clearly articulate why both of these programs are clearly not Conservative, if not look deeply into both. Could have a whole thread on just these two topics.
5. Support of Arlen Specter
Pro-Choice Senator who ended up switching to (D)... Isn't that what people are tired of in politicians. Being bought?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3HOb0NEJ1E&feature=related
6. The last time he ran for Senate he was defeated by the largest margin of defeat ever for an incumbent Republican Senator in PA.
Great stuff!
KevinR
01-01-2012, 02:32 PM
It's all a lie, he'll come in 5th.
The New Deal Sucked
01-01-2012, 02:38 PM
It's all a lie, he'll come in 5th. Totally possible as well. Something stinks rotten about this sudden surge in "polls"
realtonygoodwin
01-01-2012, 11:46 PM
The surge is real, but it was pretty much caused by the CNN pill that had extremely questionable methodology. If you seriously think he will end up in 5th... I don't even know what to say to that.
clint4liberty
01-02-2012, 12:14 AM
Former Governor Mitt Romney should not be receiving 1/5 of the vote in the Iowa Caucus. We are the chances that Bachmann,
Santorum and Perry work together at the 2012 Iowa Caucus? We must continue to battle hard in New Hampshire now that it is too late to air anymore ads in Iowa.
coffeewithgames
01-02-2012, 12:18 AM
This video was just on his Facebook page:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SVe3SeWBPw
eduardo89
01-02-2012, 12:36 AM
Share this page with everyone you know: www.facebook.com/NoSantorum
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Simple
01-02-2012, 12:47 AM
Santorum said the war of terror is a war against radical islam. Seems to me that declaring a new christian crusade would be a pretty big disqualifier. That is the radical foreign policy.
Sorry for the bad audio on this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MzGEIae9mY
his surge was calculated by the media. they waited for the best time to prop up the worst candidate.
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