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SpicyTurkey
12-30-2011, 10:17 PM
It's largely positive, except for minor glitches (like NAFTA). Check it out:


The controversy surrounding decades-old newsletters to which GOP presidential aspirant Ron Paul lent his name is regrettable. First, it is regrettable because the sometimes bigoted, intolerant content of those newsletters is inconsistent with the views of the congressman as understood by those of us who know him. Yet, while Mr. Paul disavows supporting those ideas, he refuses to repudiate his close association with their likely source, Lew Rockwell, head of the Alabama-based Mises Institute.

Second, the New York Times editorialized recently that these unsavory writings "will leave a lasting stain on . . . the libertarian movement." That is wishful thinking on the part of the Times, but it adds to the background noise surrounding Mr. Paul's candidacy, obscuring the real libertarian policy initiatives that have made his candidacy the most remarkable development of the 2012 campaign.

Ron Paul's libertarian campaign has traction because so many Americans respond to his messages:

• Tax and spending. If ever there were sound and fury signifying nothing, it has to be the recent "debate" over the budget. Covered by the media as though it was negotiations on the Treaty of Versailles, the wrestling match between Republicans and Democrats centered on the nearly trivial question of whether the $12 trillion increase in the national debt over the next decade should be reduced by 3% or 2%.

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Mr. Paul would cut the federal budget by $1 trillion immediately. He can't do it, of course, but voters sense he really wants to. As Milton Friedman once explained, the true tax on the American people is the level of spending—the resources taken from the private sector and employed in the public sector. Whether financed from direct taxation, inflation or borrowing, spending is the burden.

• Foreign policy and military spending. As the only candidate other than Jon Huntsman who says it is past time to bring the troops home from Afghanistan, Mr. Paul has tapped into a stirring recognition by limited-government Republicans and independents that an overreaching military presence around the world is inconsistent with small, constitutional government at home.

The massive cost of these interventions, in treasure and blood, highlights what a mistake they are, as sensible people on the left and right recognized from the beginning. Of course we want a strong military capable of defending the United States, but our current expenditures equal what the rest of the world spends, which makes little sense. It is futile to try to be the world's policeman—to try to create an American Empire as so many neoconservatives promote. And we can't afford it.

• Civil liberties. Libertarians often differ with conservatives over issues related to civil liberties. Mr. Paul's huge support among young people is due in large part to his fierce commitment to protecting the individual liberties guaranteed us in the Constitution. He would work to repeal significant parts of the so-called Patriot Act. Its many civil liberties transgressions include the issuance by the executive branch of National Security Letters (a form of administrative subpoena) without a court order, and the forbiddance of American citizens from mentioning that they have received one of these letters at the risk of jail.

The Bush and Obama administrations have claimed the right to incarcerate an American citizen on American soil, without charge, without access to an attorney, for an indefinite period.

President Obama even claims the right to kill American citizens on foreign soil, without due process of law, for suspected terrorist activities. Meanwhile, the Stop Online Piracy Act moving through the House is a clear effort by the federal government to censor the Internet. Mr. Paul stands up against all this, which should and does engender support from limited government advocates in the GOP.

• Austrian economics. Mr. Paul is often criticized for references to what some consider obscure economists of the so-called Austrian School. People should read them before criticizing. Nobel laureate Friedrich von Hayek and his mentor Ludwig von Mises were two of the greatest economists and social scientists ever to live.

Modern Austrian School economists such as Lawrence H. White, now at George Mason University, and Fred Foldvary at Santa Clara University predicted the housing bubble and the recession that followed the massive, multitrillion-dollar malinvestment caused by government redirection of capital into housing. Mr. Paul, like Austrian School economists, understands that we would be better off with a gold standard, competing currencies or a monetary rule than with the arbitrary and discretionary powers of our out-of-control Federal Reserve.

Mr. Paul should be given credit for his efforts to promote these ideas and other libertarian policies, all of which would make America better off. He'd be the first to admit he's not the most erudite candidate to make the case, but surely part of his appeal is his very genuine persona.

Which is not to say that Mr. Paul is always in sync with mainstream libertarians. His seeming indifference to attempts to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons, his support for a constitutional amendment to deny birthright citizenship to children of illegal aliens, and his opposition to the Nafta and Cafta free trade agreements in the name of doctrinal purity are at odds with most libertarians.

As for the Ron Paul newsletters, the best response was by my colleague David Boaz when the subject was raised publicly in 2008. About them he wrote in the Cato Institute's blog:

"Those words are not libertarian words. Maybe they reflect 'paleoconservative' ideas, though they're not the language of Burke or even Kirk. But libertarianism is a philosophy of individualism, tolerance, and liberty. As Ayn Rand wrote, 'Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism.' Making sweeping, bigoted claims about all blacks, all homosexuals, or any other group is indeed a crudely primitive collectivism. Libertarians should make it clear that the people who wrote those things are not our comrades, not part of our movement, not part of the tradition of John Locke, Adam Smith, John Stuart Mill, William Lloyd Garrison, Frederick Douglass, Ludwig von Mises, F. A. Hayek, Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman, and Robert Nozick. Shame on them."

Support for dynamic market capitalism (as opposed to crony capitalism), social tolerance, and a healthy skepticism of foreign military adventurism is a combination of views held by a plurality of Americans. It is why the 21st century is likely to be a libertarian century. It is why the focus should be on Ron Paul's philosophy and his policy proposals in 2012.

Mr. Crane is co-founder and president of the Cato Institute.

Hook
12-30-2011, 11:14 PM
I didn't think that many Libertarians care much one way or the other about Birthright Citizenship. As for Iran, most Libertarians I talk to don't really care either.

sailingaway
12-30-2011, 11:24 PM
He's clearly a corporatist neo-libertarian, at least he seems so to me. We aren't vying for a label of libertarianism and begging him to anoint us with it, as if he were the determiner, we are following principles. And as far as I can see, he only qualifies on a few of them.

Nate
12-30-2011, 11:34 PM
He's clearly a corporatist neo-libertarian, at least he seems so to me. We aren't vying for a label of libertarianism and begging him to anoint us with it, as if he were the determiner, we are following principles. And as far as I can see, he only qualifies on a few of them.

+1

I really wish they would have to define "mainstream libertarians" because most libertarians I know do not believe we have the right to "prevent Iran from obtaining" a damn thing including nuclear weapons nor do they support NAFTA or CAFTA. Just because "free trade" is in the title does not mean they are ipso facto free trade.

Schiff_FTW
12-30-2011, 11:39 PM
Why CATO Matters

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heavenlyboy34
12-30-2011, 11:40 PM
He's clearly a corporatist neo-libertarian, at least he seems so to me. We aren't vying for a label of libertarianism and begging him to anoint us with it, as if he were the determiner, we are following principles. And as far as I can see, he only qualifies on a few of them.
+a zillion The author doesn't strike me as anything close to "plumb line" libertarianism. A LINO, it seems.

heavenlyboy34
12-30-2011, 11:41 PM
Why CATO Matters

???
Perhaps because they're a tentacle of the Kochtopus?

NIU Students for Liberty
12-30-2011, 11:42 PM
Mises Institute >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cato Institute

Nate
12-30-2011, 11:46 PM
Mises Institute >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cato Institute

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000

Johncjackson
12-31-2011, 12:42 AM
This is a Ron Paul forum, not a Mises v. Cato or Rothbard v. Crane/Koch Machine or a Lew Rockwell fan club.

Maybe some of us should be more like RON PAUL and take his advice of supporting and working with BOTH. He is not the anti-Koch candidate or the Rothbard candidate. He is the unifying liberty candidate.

Maybe take the guy at his own words, rather than creating some feud where none should exist:

from the good NYT article ( the first time I saw Paul address the R/R paleo strategy:

" [Cato Institute founder] Crane, a longtime critic of Mr. Rockwell, called Mr. Paul's close association with him "one of the more perplexing things I've ever come across in my 67 years." He added: "I wish Ron would condemn these fringe things that float around because of Rockwell. I don't believe he believes any of that stuff."

Mr. Paul said in the interview that he did not, but he declined to condemn Mr. Rockwell, saying he did not want to get in the middle of a fight. "I could understand that, but I could also understand the Rothbard group saying, Why don't you quit talking to Cato?" he said.

Mr. Paul described Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Rothbard as political provocateurs. "They enjoyed antagonizing people, to tell you the truth, and trying to split people," he said. "I thought, we're so small, why shouldn't we be talking to everybody and bringing people together?"

joshnorris14
12-31-2011, 12:46 AM
I emphatically would like to say.... Fuck CATO... And especially Fuck Crane

joshnorris14
12-31-2011, 12:50 AM
This is a Ron Paul forum, not a Mises v. Cato or Rothbard v. Crane/Koch Machine or a Lew Rockwell fan club.

Maybe some of us should be more like RON PAUL and take his advice of supporting and working with BOTH. He is not the anti-Koch candidate or the Rothbard candidate. He is the unifying liberty candidate.

Maybe take the guy at his own words, rather than creating some feud where none should exist:

from the good NYT article ( the first time I saw Paul address the R/R paleo strategy:

" [Cato Institute founder] Crane, a longtime critic of Mr. Rockwell, called Mr. Paul's close association with him "one of the more perplexing things I've ever come across in my 67 years." He added: "I wish Ron would condemn these fringe things that float around because of Rockwell. I don't believe he believes any of that stuff."

Mr. Paul said in the interview that he did not, but he declined to condemn Mr. Rockwell, saying he did not want to get in the middle of a fight. "I could understand that, but I could also understand the Rothbard group saying, Why don't you quit talking to Cato?" he said.

Mr. Paul described Mr. Rockwell and Mr. Rothbard as political provocateurs. "They enjoyed antagonizing people, to tell you the truth, and trying to split people," he said. "I thought, we're so small, why shouldn't we be talking to everybody and bringing people together?"

Rothbard never tried to bring people together... He didn't spend the entirety of the 1960's with the Anti-war left in order to advance Libertarianism and the Anti-war movement.

Cato and Reason are anti-Libertarian. They used the newsletter scandle to advance their personal grudge against Rothbard (Post humuosly... Seriously disgusting) and Rockwell.

PaleoPaul
12-31-2011, 12:59 AM
CATO is awesome.

Johncjackson
12-31-2011, 01:01 AM
Rothbard never tried to bring people together... He didn't spend the entirety of the 1960's with the Anti-war left in order to advance Libertarianism and the Anti-war movement.

Cato and Reason are anti-Libertarian. They used the newsletter scandle to advance their personal grudge against Rothbard (Post humuosly... Seriously disgusting) and Rockwell.

I'm quoting Ron Paul. WTH are you talking about? Ron Paul said Murray and Lew liked antagonizing and splitting people apart- because he was there and not as delusional as some of the Lew Rockwell acolytes who secondarily support Ron Paul.

Paul is running a political campaign, not having a philosophical pissing match. I don't agree with posthumously beating down Rothbard, either. But Cato and Reason have both many many positive libertarian contributions to society, just have the Rockwell people in a different arena. Ron Paul's response is not to disregard either. Plumb-line libertarians in the Rockwell/LvMI mold are 1% of the population, if that, are surely less than 1% of voters.

Rockwell/Rothbard associates also distorted history and beliefs in attacking Cato/reason people. As you said, Rothbard was working with the left back then.. and pre-split with the Koch machine the Rothbard people were the "liberal", drug using, gay rights people but all of a sudden they are the longtime social-cons who criticize Kochs for not being conservative enough because they don't hate gays and work on things like freeing people off death row and exposing police brutality.

A lot of people HERE are anti-libertarian and spend all their time complaining about the media "smearing" Ron Paul by calling him a libertarian. Hardcore libertarians are probably 1%, and libertarians in the broadest sense of the word are maybe 15% of the population. if you want Ron Paul to win, you better hope he gets conservatives, liberals, paleos, cosmos, and everything else.

Hook
12-31-2011, 01:09 AM
Yeah, I get dissapointed with the bifurcations within the Libertarian community. I wish that Lew and Koch would just bury the hatchet. They both contribute to the cause in their own way.

joshnorris14
12-31-2011, 01:09 AM
The Koch/Rothbard split occured a decade after Rothbard'sI time with the Left. Lest we forget, CATO was founded on Rothbard's ideas and Crane couped the Institute.

And I'm not calling semi-Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Neocons, or any other group out. Just CATO/Reason and especially Edward Crane.

PaleoPaul
12-31-2011, 01:12 AM
CATO's done LOTS for the cause of liberty...just because they don't want to bring back the Confederacy doesn't make them invalid.

Paul Fan
12-31-2011, 05:54 AM
Interestingly, in the 1970s Rothbard argued for keeping "laissez-faire" conservatives in the libertarian movement, as opposed to some who thought only anarchists (anarcho-capitalists) should be considered libertarian. He also supported the young Ed Crane's bid to be national chairman of the Libertarian party. See "Purity and the Libertarian Party," May 1974 Libertarian Forum http://mises.org/journals/lf/1974/1974_05.pdf

nbruno322
12-31-2011, 06:18 AM
Mises Institute >>>>>>>>>>>>> Cato Institute

+1

Philosophy_of_Politics
12-31-2011, 06:22 AM
I'd ask CATO to define a "Mainstream Libertarian."

Does mainstream imply, the desire to become the aggressor in the Middle East? Which completely rejects the Libertarian philosophy based on the Non-Aggression Axiom?

nbruno322
12-31-2011, 06:24 AM
This was posted in the Wall Street Journal...anyone know or can provide a picture to show it made the print version??

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204632204577129132189244456.html?m od=googlenews_wsj#articleTabs%3Darticle

joshnorris14
12-31-2011, 06:25 AM
Interestingly, in the 1970s Rothbard argued for keeping "laissez-faire" conservatives in the libertarian movement, as opposed to some who thought only anarchists (anarcho-capitalists) should be considered libertarian. He also supported the young Ed Crane's bid to be national chairman of the Libertarian party. See "Purity and the Libertarian Party," May 1974 Libertarian Forum http://mises.org/journals/lf/1974/1974_05.pdf

This really isn't surprising. Rothbard was known for trying to expand the Libertarian tent.

Fr0m_3ur0pe
12-31-2011, 07:15 AM
Both Koch and Rothbard camps have unlibertarian dirt in their history. Rothbard in his late years tried to built this freaky "paleoconservative"-alliance, and Lew gave it up few years after his death. It's very interesting that Rothbard had very big influence on CATO when they were founding it, including it's name which he invented. Rothbard was also kicked off from Objectivist movement by Rand herself, so it's much easier to understand why Rothbard tried to form paleo-alliance. But if we talk these issues openly, we can finally bury those horrible 90's and remember good things about Rothbard.

joshnorris14
12-31-2011, 07:21 AM
Being kicked from the Rand movement wasn't really a bad thing. She hated anyone who called themselves a Libertarian... And she was a little crazy.

As for Rothbard and the paleo movement, he realized that the Buchanon's of the world weren't good allies before he passed, it was a short lived experiment.

TheDriver
12-31-2011, 07:29 AM
Cato is weak on monetary policy unless you think Milton had it right. Which I think has a little to do with the feud with Lew & Mises Inst. vs Cato.

Crotale
12-31-2011, 08:09 AM
Cato is a tad too Chicago school for my liking. However, they definately aren't our enemies.

heavenlyboy34
12-31-2011, 10:31 AM
I'm too young to remember Murray myself, but all I've seen/heard from people that knew him is that he made attempts to create alliances outside of "pure" libertarian circles-like the "Old Right" and "anti-war Left".

Johncjackson
12-31-2011, 04:39 PM
CATO's done LOTS for the cause of liberty...just because they don't want to bring back the Confederacy doesn't make them invalid.

:)