help me with a Santorum (Christian) supporter

[mosquitobite]

Please no hate on religion folks. I need help from a Christian perspective though. These are the people that will be voting for Santorum.

From a friend:

I just can't vote for this guy. He almost had me, but he certainly doesn't anymore. I will say this just for food for thought: all through the Old Testament, when a king did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, everything was wonderful. But when the king did evil in the eyes of the Lord, his country suffered greatly. To me that's a lesson that we need to be looking for the candidate that will do what is right in the eyes of the Lord. The closest candidate to filling those shoes is Rick Santorum...it certainly is NOT Ron Paul. We can agree to disagree.... http://youtu.be/d1t4O9CcZQ0

[JakeH]

I'm sure God wants us bombing thousands of innocents in Iran.

[mosquitobite]

This is my current response; haven't sent it yet.

I see Israel (the current country) as very different than the people of Israel (Jews). I do not see our country's greatness tied to the country of Israel - and in fact our country has declined considerably since the formation of it! (not blaming Israel at all - just making the correlation that supporting Israel has not been what has hinged our country's greatness is all)

Also, our founders set up our country to replicate the Trinity (executive, judiciary, & legislative) and specifically did NOT want to give one man king powers. (just as God didn't want to give Israel a king)

You do know that Muslims trace their ancestry back to Abraham, right? They believe Muhammed is a descendant of Ishmael. Given that, and that I know God always has a plan - I truly do not believe that who we elect as President is what He hinges His blessings on.

[qh4dotcom]

Ask him if he supports all the wars Santorum wants to wage.

[Jovan Galtic]

I just can't vote for this guy. He almost had me, but he certainly doesn't anymore. I will say this just for food for thought: all through the Old Testament, when a king did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, everything was wonderful. But when the king did evil in the eyes of the Lord, his country suffered greatly. To me that's a lesson that we need to be looking for the candidate that will do what is right in the eyes of the Lord. The closest candidate to filling those shoes is Rick Santorum...it certainly is NOT Ron Paul. We can agree to disagree....

Right thing in the eyes of the Lord is peace:

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God."
(Mat 5:9)

[olehounddog]

Matthew 7:12 "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets."

[TroySmith]

I like to talk about the passage of taking the mote out of our own eye before concerning ourselves (America) with our brothers (other countries).

[Sola_Fide]

Ask him to read 1st Samuel 8 to see what God thinks about a king.

[mosquitobite]

I like to talk about the passage of taking the mote out of our own eye before concerning ourselves (America) with our brothers (other countries).

Which is also in Matthew. Ha! I'm seeing a trend here...

[mosquitobite]

Ask him to read 1st Samuel 8 to see what God thinks about a king.

I had already sent her that video of Ron Paul at the faith & freedom conference.

[PierzStyx]

This is my current response; haven't sent it yet.

Good call on the Ishmael thing. Biblically Ishmael, the first son of Abraham, had twelve sons, much like Israel, Abraham's grandson did. From these twelve children of Ishmael the Middle Eastern, and specifically Arab people, descend. Note that the Jews are not all of the House of Israel, but an extremely small part of it, 1/12th in fact. Also note that when God promised Abraham that his descendents would have right to the land that became the nation of Israel He did not say to Abraham "And thy posterity through Isaac shall have this land" but He told Abraham ALL his descendants, which INCLUDES Ishamel's posterity, would have claim and right to the land. This means that the Palestinians, who are descended from Abraham through Ishmael, have any equal right to be on that land as much as the Jews, who are descendants of Isaac, do.

Also encourage them to read Revelation. While it says there that the Jews will return to Israel and build a temple it no where says that they will be God's chosen and protected people. Nor does it say another nation on the earth will be there to protect and help them. In fact from a Christian perspective they must remain wicked to the very end as a nation because when Christ comes again He judges them as harshly as He does the Gentiles because they have not accepted Him as Savior and Messiah but only do so when He come sin full power and glory and they can no longer deny it. Read Zechariah for more on that. Then ask if God would have us support a wicked government? Also you could hammer home that God does not need our help. He is fully capable of protecting the modern nation state of Israel if it is righteous. For us to fight for Israel but very possibly against the will of God is to waste time, money, and lives fighting against Heaven in a fight we will lose.


Have them read 1 Samuel where the Prophet Samuel has God Himself denounce kings and kingly power as evil. Point out that if Rick Santorum wants more and more power like those listed in 1st Samuel as being evilly wielded by a king then he (Santorum) is also wielding power evilly. To wield earthy power evilly is to fight against the will of God, as King Saul and David both found out. Santorum cannot be on God's side if He is against God's commandments.

Also, what are your friend's specific concerns? Get to the root of the matter and post it here and we can help resolve those concerns.

[eduardo89]

If they are not in Iowa or SC I wouldn't worry too much just yet. Once their primary date comes Santorum won't be in the race. Start converting now, but once Santorum, Bachmann and Perry are out, she'll have no choice but to support Ron!

[mosquitobite]

I agree Eduardo - but I like to refine my discussions and I also like to give others ideas in case they come across the same issues.

[eduardo89]

I agree Eduardo - but I like to refine my discussions and I also like to give others ideas in case they come across the same issues.

That's true. Look up the thread AquaBuddha posted about Christian Zionism. Great points to refute any allegiance to Israel issues most Christians seem to have in the states. (views which seem utterly ridiculous to me)

[Jovan Galtic]

One very important thing is to dismantle that distorted interpretation of the Bible. Are there any theologians on the forum?

[mosquitobite]

Also you could hammer home that God does not need our help. He is fully capable of protecting the modern nation state of Israel if it is righteous. For us to fight for Israel but very possibly against the will of God is to waste time, money, and lives fighting against Heaven in a fight we will lose.


AWESOME comeback! +1 rep

[Meiun]

I would simply point out historical fact. Ron Paul is pro-life and has proven it. Santorum claims it, but references it only in the cause of anti-abortion. How does a true christian reconcile saving the life of a newborn but condoning endless war and the destruction of so many lives by our actions as a nation? If they try to say "well God ordered the deaths of many nations through the hands of Joshua.. etc." my response would, That's old covenant. Aren't we living under a new covenant with Jesus? I believe he called for peace, love, forgiveness...

[Sola_Fide]

Ask her if she even knows about Christians like Samuel Adams and Patrick Henry.

Would Samuel Adams vote for No Child Left Behind? Would Patrick Henry vote for Medicare part D?

Now, which candidate is moreso in the American Christian tradition of Samuel Adams? Santorum or Paul?



Ugh...these evangelicals today are so utterly a-historical that it gets old even pointing this stuff out. Their idea of political history starts with what they remember in the 1980's rather than the 1780's.

[GunnyFreedom]

Remember also that one of the most important things Jesus Christ came to Israel to stop 2000 years ago was the attempts by the scribes and the Pharisees to write their interpretations of God's doctrines into civil law. The scribes and Pharisees had so abused God's mercy and gift of free will, that God actually removed the life-giving law from them, because they had converted it into an instrument of death.

Likewise today, the political Christian Coalition is pushing to convert the doctrines of Christ into civil law. They are turning the Gospel of life into an instrument of death. This is the apostasy that Christ warned us would come. Those who feel righteous for inflicting the violence of Caesar against lost sinners for transgressions against Christian doctrine are no different than the Pharisees who felt righteous for inflicting the violence of Herod against lost sinners for transgressions against Mosaic law.

This is a perversion of the Gospel and a heresy. We may never agree on this until we stand together before the Bema judgement seat of Christ. I for one trust that God is the same, yesterday, today, and forever, and that the same God who reigns over us today is the same God who watched over Jesus Christ as He fought the scribes and the Pharisees of His day.

[Beorn]

Ugh...these evangelicals today are so utterly a-historical that it gets old even pointing this stuff out. Their idea of political history starts with what they remember in the 1980's rather than the 1780's.

That correlates with their knowledge of religious history which doesn't go any farther back than billy graham.

[vechorik]

I'm phoning from home at the moment and can't search it, but the speech Dr. Paul made to win the Values Summit Poll -- YouTube.
He was speaking to Christians, using the Bible as a basis for his Constitutional positions (which makes a lot of sense).

[Sola_Fide]

That correlates with their knowledge of religious history which doesn't go any farther back than billy graham.

You got it. Who needs church history, right?

[Beorn]

I don't think you'll ever get them to totally buy into the idea that the federal government shouldn't be used to push a religious agenda. I would focus on the multitude of evidence that Paul is a good Christian man like Santorum, but unlike Santorum Paul can be trusted to push massive spending and tax cuts resulting in a smaller government and thus empowering the church to do more for the cause of Christ. Nothing would do more for the church than ending entitlements and allowing the church to fill the gaps by finally performing it's duty of preaching the Gospel in word and deed.

[Bonnieblue]

I frankly do not know what the person means by doing right in the sight of the Lord. Not that I do not understand the phrase from the Bible, but I do not know how the person applies it to Santorum but not to Dr. Paul. If you can have a further dialogue with this person ask what specifically puts Santorum right in the sight of the Lord and where Dr. Paul seems to fall short. Listen to the person. Do NOT attempt to reform her theology. If you can get a response to the question which I suggest, get back to us. I am very interested in this because I have scores of "conservative" Christians, of which I am one, who, unlike me, see Dr. Paul as a danger to the Faith. At the core of the problem is usually Israel. Not far behind it is "he does not support the troops." They are also confused about where he is when he denounces the war on drugs. With this lady, it might be something seemingly deeper.

[mosquitobite]

I don't think you'll ever get them to totally buy into the idea that the federal government shouldn't be used to push a religious agenda. I would focus on the multitude of evidence that Paul is a good Christian man like Santorum, but unlike Santorum Paul can be trusted to push massive spending and tax cuts resulting in a smaller government and thus empowering the church to do more for the cause of Christ. Nothing would do more for the church than ending entitlements and allowing the church to fill the gaps by finally performing it's duty of preaching the Gospel in word and deed.

Actually the reason I am a libertarian and have been a RP supporter since before it was cool to be is because I had an AWESOME economics professor in college.
Turn Neither Left nor Right (http://www.amazon.com/Neither-Right-Christian-Public-Policy/dp/0972975454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325302747&sr=8-1)

He has also ran as a liberty candidate in case anyone wants to buy his book and help him at a later point ;)

I often ask Christian liberals if they think that people on welfare come to know Christ through that government office. Or would they rather them come to the church for help so that they can come to know His love.

[GunnyFreedom]

I don't think you'll ever get them to totally buy into the idea that the federal government shouldn't be used to push a religious agenda. I would focus on the multitude of evidence that Paul is a good Christian man like Santorum, but unlike Santorum Paul can be trusted to push massive spending and tax cuts resulting in a smaller government and thus empowering the church to do more for the cause of Christ. Nothing would do more for the church than ending entitlements and allowing the church to fill the gaps by finally performing it's duty of preaching the Gospel in word and deed.

You might be surprised. God brings all manner of people to repent. I think the trick here is that we as Christians must remember that it is God through the agency of the Holy Spirit that drives a person to repent, and not you and I by the power of our logic and arguments.

[mosquitobite]

I frankly do not know what the person means by doing right in the sight of the Lord. Not that I do not understand the phrase from the Bible, but I do not know how the person applies it to Santorum but not to Dr. Paul. If you can have a further dialogue with this person ask what specifically puts Santorum right in the sight of the Lord and where Dr. Paul seems to fall short. Listen to the person. Do NOT attempt to reform her theology. If you can get a response to the question which I suggest, get back to us. I am very interested in this because I have scores of "conservative" Christians, of which I am one, who, unlike me, see Dr. Paul as a danger to the Faith. At the core of the problem is usually Israel. Not far behind it is "he does not support the troops." They are also confused about where he is when he denounces the war on drugs. With this lady, it might be something seemingly deeper.

Oh it's most definitely Israel. The video I linked is the one she sent me.

[Sola_Fide]

I frankly do not know what the person means by doing right in the sight of the Lord. Not that I do not understand the phrase from the Bible, but I do not know how the person applies it to Santorum but not to Dr. Paul. If you can have a further dialogue with this person ask what specifically puts Santorum right in the sight of the Lord and where Dr. Paul seems to fall short. Listen to the person. Do NOT attempt to reform her theology. If you can get a response to the question which I suggest, get back to us. I am very interested in this because I have scores of "conservative" Christians, of which I am one, who, unlike me, see Dr. Paul as a danger to the Faith. At the core of the problem is usually Israel. Not far behind it is "he does not support the troops." They are also confused about where he is when he denounces the war on drugs. With this lady, it might be something seemingly deeper.

It's funny though...that's usually all I try to do when I talk to evangelicals...reform their doctrine lol. Her theology *is* the problem. It does need to be reformed according to Scripture. She doesn't have a Biblical world view like Samuel Adams did.

[GunnyFreedom]

I frankly do not know what the person means by doing right in the sight of the Lord. Not that I do not understand the phrase from the Bible, but I do not know how the person applies it to Santorum but not to Dr. Paul. If you can have a further dialogue with this person ask what specifically puts Santorum right in the sight of the Lord and where Dr. Paul seems to fall short. Listen to the person. Do NOT attempt to reform her theology. If you can get a response to the question which I suggest, get back to us. I am very interested in this because I have scores of "conservative" Christians, of which I am one, who, unlike me, see Dr. Paul as a danger to the Faith. At the core of the problem is usually Israel. Not far behind it is "he does not support the troops." They are also confused about where he is when he denounces the war on drugs. With this lady, it might be something seemingly deeper.

This. People are inscrutable. There may be all manner of things we can imagine that is causing her angst. For all we know the person may think chocolate chip cookies are satan droppings. Can't really find a direction to approach unless we know her objections.

[mosquitobite]

Israel people! :D The YouTube in the OP is the video she sent me arguing why she can't support him.

[Voluntary Man]

His statement BEGS for an explanation. Ask him to explain how Santorum is closer to righteousness, in the eyes of God, because, as a Christian, I don't see what your friend thinks he sees.

If he's referring to defending Israel, ask him if the Old Testament isn't full of examples of God turning his back on Israel, and delivering Israel into the hands of her enemies.

If your friend really is a Christian, by faith, and not just a cultural judeo-christian, he must believe that Christ is the fullfilment of God's special Covenant with Abraham. Is your friend so confident that God will never again punish the nation that mocks His Son, that your friend would risk placing himself and his country between Israel and God's Wrath?

Ask your friend to show you the scripture that requires America to defend Israel above all other nations (he will not be able to, because it's a lie). Israel needs to stand or fall on her own, and, fortunately for the US, this means we should treat Israel no differently than any other foreign nation, as a wise foreign policy (the one designed by our Founders) dictates.

Israel, the descendants of Abraham, through Jacob, were chosen to provide the genetic line for the Son of God, the Savior of all the descendants of Adam. God does not have a separate plan of salvation for those who reject His Son. Sorry to disappoint your friend, but Israel needs Jesus, too.

[Sola_Fide]

Oh it's most definitely Israel. The video I linked is the one she sent me.

Send her this: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?343273-Seven-Biblical-Answers-To-Popular-Zionist-Assumptions&p=3919434#post3919434

[wistfulthinker]

Please no hate on religion folks. I need help from a Christian perspective though. These are the people that will be voting for Santorum.

Good question M.

I would say that what happened when Christ came here to us was a revolution in God's relationship to man. Jesus spent most of his condemning words on the folks who expected something that made sense to them. That made sense under the paradigm they'd studied and prepared for. Christ proclaimed an entirely NEW way of being in relationship with God. An entirely new covenant.

Your friend here is still defining his relationship with God in old covenant terms. It's someone else -- it's the king; it's his group. It's anything but his own responsibility. Anything but the terrible truth that it's just him and God. He doesn't get a pass through aligning with some godly state or being born chosen. It's just a guy and just God. That's the revolution Christ came to instigate. One-on-one with God.

You might also point out that it is entirely untrue that the kings of Israel were somehow worldly blessed. It was under the kings of Israel that the chosen group was torn apart and remains torn to this day. God cautioned Israel against anointing a king and nothing was ever right under such a sinful political system.

I guess I'd agree with your friend that if I were a Christian caught up in the Law, a Santorum would make me feel all comfy, would make me feel that I could go back to bed because I had a Saul looking out for me. But the doctrines of Christianity repeatedly state that such personal impunity is a thing of the past. t's the fallback for folks who don't quite trust in grace and harbor some secret personal sin that they let cut them off from the new relationship God began with Man when he sent Christ and change the nature of our relationship to the divine.

I think your task is to help your friend get a sense of the excitement, the thrill, of thinking and living under the new covenant, where kings and princes amount to nothing before God. Where, really, no matter what, we are forgiven. Where Christ has given us a direct, dynamic, and powerful relationship to God. The folks who don't want to go there, in my experience, are folks who cannot forgive themselves and, therefore, cannot imagine a God who would.

The switch that needs flipping for your friend is personal. He's got to feel acceptable to God despite all his foibles. He's got to really understand that Christ did all that. Understand that he is truly free. Then he won't have to canoodle about for a Santorum to do that for him. He'l then be free to look for leaders who champion such freedom in everyman to contend with his god alone and humble.

[mosquitobite]

woah dude. :) LOVE that.

Not that I know if it's true or not (about her holding onto a personal sin) but I love it none the less.

<3

[Beorn]

You got it. Who needs church history, right?

I grew up in a generic nondenominational evangelical church and was taught that real Christians didn't come out of the catholic church during the reformation, but existed in secret groups since biblical times. :doh:

They know what the bible says very well, but that isn't much use if you have no sense of tradition and can't connect the dots from ancient beliefs about what the bible said right up to modern beliefs about what the bible says. Without doing that you end up with a weird circular gnostic type faith where you just know what scripture says because you know what scripture says.

[coffeewithgames]

Well, the video you originally shared seemed pretty basic, the issue some may have is the "concentration" camp line, but overall RP basically was sticking with his same message of non-intervention it seemed.
If he thinks Santorum is a conservative, show him this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Em-Wh943E

As for the issue, RP probably watched a video like the following that is attached...if you think the video may help show him a different side a little bit, let me know and I will download/reupload it with a different title, as it's not my video and I don't think the title is necessary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArnYokaSe_w

[Beorn]

Actually the reason I am a libertarian and have been a RP supporter since before it was cool to be is because I had an AWESOME economics professor in college.
Turn Neither Left nor Right (http://www.amazon.com/Neither-Right-Christian-Public-Policy/dp/0972975454/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325302747&sr=8-1)

He has also ran as a liberty candidate in case anyone wants to buy his book and help him at a later point ;)

I often ask Christian liberals if they think that people on welfare come to know Christ through that government office. Or would they rather them come to the church for help so that they can come to know His love.


You might be surprised. God brings all manner of people to repent. I think the trick here is that we as Christians must remember that it is God through the agency of the Holy Spirit that drives a person to repent, and not you and I by the power of our logic and arguments.

Sorry, I mis-wrote. What I meant was that a person doesn't have to be converted to a libertarian viewpoint to become an enthusiastic supporter. That might be something you might want to work toward, but my guess is that many social conservatives can be won over to Paul based on what they already believe in principle (not factual things like the threat of iran). They just need to be shown the connections between their beliefs and Paul's platform.

[Sola_Fide]

Good question M.

I would say that what happened when Christ came here to us was a revolution in God's relationship to man. Jesus spent most of his condemning words on the folks who expected something that made sense to them. That made sense under the paradigm they'd studied and prepared for. Christ proclaimed an entirely NEW way of being in relationship with God. An entirely new covenant.

Your friend here is still defining his relationship with God in old covenant terms. It's someone else -- it's the king; it's his group. It's anything but his own responsibility. Anything but the terrible truth that it's just him and God. He doesn't get a pass through aligning with some godly state or being born chosen. It's just a guy and just God. That's the revolution Christ came to instigate. One-on-one with God.

You might also point out that it is entirely untrue that the kings of Israel were somehow worldly blessed. It was under the kings of Israel that the chosen group was torn apart and remains torn to this day. God cautioned Israel against anointing a king and nothing was ever right under such a sinful political system.

I guess I'd agree with your friend that if I were a Christian caught up in the Law, a Santorum would make me feel all comfy, would make me feel that I could go back to bed because I had a Saul looking out for me. But the doctrines of Christianity repeatedly state that such personal impunity is a thing of the past. t's the fallback for folks who don't quite trust in grace and harbor some secret personal sin that they let cut them off from the new relationship God began with Man when he sent Christ and change the nature of our relationship to the divine.

I think your task is to help your friend get a sense of the excitement, the thrill, of thinking and living under the new covenant, where kings and princes amount to nothing before God. Where, really, no matter what, we are forgiven. Where Christ has given us a direct, dynamic, and powerful relationship to God. The folks who don't want to go there, in my experience, are folks who cannot forgive themselves and, therefore, cannot imagine a God who would.

The switch that needs flipping for your friend is personal. He's got to feel acceptable to God despite all his foibles. He's got to really understand that Christ did all that. Understand that he is truly free. Then he won't have to canoodle about for a Santorum to do that for him. He'l then be free to look for leaders who champion such freedom in everyman to contend with his god alone and humble.

If you'll allow me to disagree with that one point, I think this is problematic. It is more closely aligned to the dispensational viewpoint that we would be trying to help this Santorum supporter see is not Biblical.


In the book of Hebrews, the new and better covenant is described as new and better because Christ lives forever as our high priest and can continually make intercession for us before God, whereas the Old Covenant priests were limited by their mortality.


But that is not to say that there was ever any other way that a man is justified before God other than faith. Abraham was justified before God by faith in Christ just like I am today. David was justified by faith just like believers are today.


Paul describes this in Romans 4:


Romans 4:2-13 NASB

For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."

Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: "BLESSED ARE THOSE WHOSE LAWLESS DEEDS HAVE BEEN FORGIVEN,
AND WHOSE SINS HAVE BEEN COVERED. "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT."

Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, "FAITH WAS CREDITED TO ABRAHAM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS." How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised.

For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

The Old Testament saints were always justified (made right, declared innocent) before God by faith, not works. There has only been one way of salvation in the Old and New Testaments: faith in Christ.

[James Madison]

This person's theology is the problem. Well, dispensationalsim is the problem, at least. It's very important to emphasize that the modern state of Israel has no connection to the Israel of the Bible. Also, point out that God has one plan for all humanity; this idea of dual plans, one for Jews and one for Gentiles, is at the heart of dispensational heresy.

[vechorik]

I told you -- Ron Paul won the Family Values Voter Summit 2011 -- uses the Constitution and Bible to back his political positions (EXCELLENT)
Just ask them to watch this video (YOU STUDY the video), then talk about it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnj-5z9NJoY

[Johnny Appleseed]

Our Israel is Cuba, if the Russians pulled out they would take all the hostilities in the region with them just as we would.

[timb2]

Santorum voted for Congress and Senate to receive lobbying gifts.

Santorum voted for the Patriot Act which gives the law to search your house without a warrant and you even being present because they might say you are a terrorist. What is a terrorist? Can you be a terrorist if you oppose extreme gasoline hikes at the pump or sick of taxes? Can you be a terrorist if they decide to enact gun control on American citizens,they now have the power to search your home looking for guns.

[Okie RP fan]

Please, send him this link from Ron Paul Flix:

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/10/ron-paul-on-the-christian-just-war-theory/

It is a video with Ron explaining the "Christian Just War Theory."

And also send your friend this, "Blessed are the Peacemakers" from one of his speeches:

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/10/ron-pauls-christian-foreign-policy-blessed-are-the-peacemakers/