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Havax
12-29-2011, 02:41 PM
Romney 36% (+1)
Paul 21% (+2)
Gingrich 13% (-4)
Huntsman 12%(-1)
Bachmann 7% (+2)
Perry 3% (+1)
Santorum 3% (+0)
Roemer 3%


PPP poll - New Hampshire
830 likely republican voters
*12/27 - 12/28*
Numbers in parentheses reflect changes from previous PPP NH poll conducted 12/16 - 12/18.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/romney-still-up-big-in-new-hampshire-1.html


PPP's newest New Hampshire poll finds everything pretty much as it was a week and a half ago with one exception: Newt Gingrich's support continues to plummet in the state, allowing Ron Paul to move into a clear second place.

Mitt Romney continues to have a solid lead in the state with 36% to 21% for Paul, 13% for Gingrich, 12% for Jon Huntsman, 7% for Michele Bachmann, and 3% each for Buddy Roemer, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum. Every candidate is within 2 points of their standing when PPP polled New Hampshire 2 weekends ago with the exception of Gingrich, who has dropped from 17% to 13%.

There's little to suggest anyone could come from behind to defeat Romney in New Hampshire. He has the best favorability numbers in the state at 63/32 and 78% of his supporters are strongly committed to him, higher even than Paul's number on that front. 44% of voters think he has the best chance of beating Obama with Gingrich the next closest at 11%. 40% think he has run the strongest campaign in the state, with the next closest Paul at 15%. And there's a sense of inevitability about him- 47% think he will win the state 13% for Paul with no one else in double digits. Romney's even winning the Tea Party vote 26-20 over Gingrich, a feat he's not managing in too many states.

Paul's second place standing in New Hampshire is being driven by the same groups he's doing well with in Iowa: young people and non-Republicans. With voters under 45 Paul actually leads Romney by a 27-24 margin. But Romney is destroying Paul 46-11 with seniors, accounting for most of his overall advantage. With non-Republicans, almost 40% of the vote in New Hampshire, the race is very close with Romney at 27%, Paul at 24%, and Huntsman at 21%. But with actual Republican voters Romney has the 42-19 advantage.

After hitting double digits for the first time in our last New Hampshire poll Huntsman seems to have hit a wall, going from 13% to 12%. He's gotten to the point where voters in the state at least respect him- his 55/27 favorability rating makes him the only candidate other than Romney over 50% on that front. But although Huntsman's winning Obama voters by a 25-24 margin over Romney, he's polling at only 6% with those describing themselves as conservatives and you just can't do that and hope to get much traction in a Republican primary. It's looking more and more like Huntsman's best case scenario could be a third place finish.

Talking about a 'Santorum surge' seems to be all the rage this week but he's polling at only 3% in New Hampshire, tying him with Rick Perry and even Buddy Roemer for 6th place. His favorability is slightly under water at 39/40. It's important to remember that even the momentum from winning Iowa in 2008 was only enough to push Mike Huckabee to 11% in New Hampshire so it seems doubtful that a 2nd or 3rd place finish in the state would get Santorum into contention in the Granite State.

Things just keep getting worse for Newt Gingrich. In addition to falling from 17% to 13% his 42/53 favorability makes him the second most unpopular of the candidates in New Hampshire, better only than Perry's 26/62.

New Hampshire certainly still looks like it will be Mitt Romney's firewall.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mitt+Romney+Ron+Paul+Republican+Presidential+4w_fV smphIkl.jpg
Looking more and more like a two-man race.

Fermli
12-29-2011, 02:42 PM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/romney-still-up-big-in-new-hampshire-1.html

PPP poll - New Hampshire
830 likely voters
12/27 - 12/28
Numbers in parentheses reflect changes from previous PPP NH poll conducted 12/16 - 12/18.

Romney 36% (+1)
Paul 21% (+2)
Gingrich 13% (-4)
Huntsman 12% (-1)
Bachmann 7% (+2)
Perry 3% (+1)
Santorum 3% (0)

PauliticsPolitics
12-29-2011, 02:42 PM
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NH_1229925.pdf

(http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NH_1229925.pdf)Mitt = 36%
Paul = 21%
Newt = 13%
Huntsman = 12%
Bachmann = 7%
Buddy Roemer, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum = 3% each


Mitt Romney continues to have a solid lead in the state with 36% to 21% for Paul, 13%
for Gingrich, 12% for Jon Huntsman, 7% for Michele Bachmann, and 3% each for Buddy
Roemer, Rick Perry, and Rick Santorum. Every candidate is within 2 points of their
standing when PPP polled New Hampshire 2 weekends ago with the exception of
Gingrich, who has dropped from 17% to 13%.

PauliticsPolitics
12-29-2011, 02:42 PM
Ha, so many posts!

One Last Battle!
12-29-2011, 02:42 PM
Holy shit you guys, you must really like refreshing

Canderson
12-29-2011, 02:43 PM
15 points behind, not too bad, but could be better. Lets hit the phones

Agorism
12-29-2011, 02:43 PM
percent changes?

last time

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_NH_12191118.pdf


Raleigh, N.C. Mitt Romney has a significant lead in New Hampshire, getting 35% there to 19% for Ron Paul, 17% for Newt Gingrich, 13% for Jon Huntsman, 5% for Michele Bachmann, 3% for Rick Santorum, 2% for Rick Perry, and 1% for Gary Johnson.

Fermli
12-29-2011, 02:43 PM
I'm not first =/

muh_roads
12-29-2011, 02:43 PM
okay this makes me feel a little better.

Epic
12-29-2011, 02:44 PM
From down 16 to down 15

Not bad. Still a lot of work to do. It shows that CNN poll was crap though!

Also, Newt sinking, Ron Paul is up 8 over 3rd place Newt.

Huntsman not catching on either!

RonPaul101.com
12-29-2011, 02:44 PM
21%, nice.

ConsideringRonPaul
12-29-2011, 02:44 PM
This should motivate everyone to work that much harder.

Echoes
12-29-2011, 02:44 PM
good or bad ? i dont remeber their last poll.

ronpaulfollower999
12-29-2011, 02:44 PM
percent changes?

Romney +1
Paul +2
Gingrich -4

Agorism
12-29-2011, 02:45 PM
We're +2

Epic
12-29-2011, 02:45 PM
Need to check who Huntsman supporters and Newt supporters and Bachmann supporters have as their 2nd choice...

Bachmann with 7%... surprising

Johnnybags
12-29-2011, 02:45 PM
Santorum surging too to 3%. FAUX News will love it.

nbruno322
12-29-2011, 02:45 PM
This is actually very good news I believe Paul increased by at least 4% from the last poll, in which he was tied for 2nd with Newt. He is clearly on the uptrend and has solidified his 2nd place status with positive momentum

1stAmendguy
12-29-2011, 02:45 PM
More motivation for PFH.

JoshLowry
12-29-2011, 02:46 PM
Merged. Ya'll are quick. Haha.

tsai3904
12-29-2011, 02:47 PM
New Hampshire
12/27 - 12/28
830 likely Republican primary voters
+/-3.4%






12/27
12/28 (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/romney-still-up-big-in-new-hampshire-1.html)



12/16
12/18 (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/romney-dominating-new-hampshire.html)



6/30
7/5 (http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2011/07/bachmann-surging-signs-of-weakness-for.html)



Romney
36
35
28
Paul
21
19
9
Gingrich
13
17
4
Huntsman
12
13
7
Bachmann
7
5
21
Perry
3
2
9
Roemer
3


Santorum
3
3




Ron Paul Crosstabs:





12/27
12/28



12/16
12/18



6/30
7/5



18-29
27
29
17
30-45
28
24
10
46-65
20
16
7
>65
11
11
10
Man
23
22
12
Woman
18
14
5



Second Choice:





12/27
12/28



12/16
12/18



Romney
18
16
Gingrich
15
17
Huntsman
13
10
Paul
8
13
Santorum
8
5
Bachmann
7
9
Perry
4
4
Roemer
2

kill the banks
12-29-2011, 02:47 PM
we can do it ... we need to push this state hard

mwkaufman
12-29-2011, 02:48 PM
good or bad ? i dont remeber their last poll.

Good. Highest number ever in New Hampshire, in a much more clear second place, going from two points ahead of Gingrich to eight points ahead. When Obama upset Clinton in Iowa, New Hampshire polling swung 15%. When Kerry beat Dean in Iowa, New Hampshire polling swung 20%. So Paul is a little further back than we'd like him to be, but such big swings can happen in the week between the Iowa caucus and the New Hampshire primary.

Maximus
12-29-2011, 02:48 PM
Get another 1-2% before Iowa, then ride the surge and blast the airwaves for a week in NH. I think with a bit of luck and elbow grease we can win.

Darthbrooklyn
12-29-2011, 02:48 PM
The best part of this whole thing is that somewhere right at this moment.. Gingrich and Bachmann are cursing up a storm and flipping furniture

StateofTrance
12-29-2011, 02:48 PM
Please reddit: reddit.com/r/politics/comments/nva6g/paul_gaining_momentum_in_nh_latest_nh_ppp_poll/

nyrgoal99
12-29-2011, 02:49 PM
More motivation for PFH.

Found 6 solid supporters already today in NH. Can not say that for romney

LawnWake
12-29-2011, 02:49 PM
Oh man, how on Earth are we going to stop Santorum from surging!

Srsly you guys, the best thing about the campaign isn't how liberty minded our guy is and that he might actually win, but it's the bragging rights.

Seriously, though. I think that when the actual voting occurs, we'll be within 10% of Romney.

Epic
12-29-2011, 02:50 PM
6% of Bach supporters have RP 2nd.... Romney bests that....

Huntsman and Newt supporters both have Romney 2nd choice way more than Paul...

Paul would benefit from Huntsman and Newt increasing vote share....

Johnnybags
12-29-2011, 02:50 PM
Ads in Hillsborough and Rockingham county are critical. Target seniors and women. Its the only two Romney can win.

kill the banks
12-29-2011, 02:50 PM
Found 6 solid supporters already today in NH. Can not say that for romney

v cool

kuckfeynes
12-29-2011, 02:51 PM
Screw bragging rights. Full steam ahead!

Epic
12-29-2011, 02:52 PM
Romney and Paul supporters are the most firmly committed...

Paul wins < 45 yrs old.
Romney dominates above that

undergroundrr
12-29-2011, 02:53 PM
"The quixotic Paul can't seem to raise his ceiling above 21% in New Hampshire." - MSM

KingNothing
12-29-2011, 02:54 PM
lol I do like to see the most repugnant candidates -Newt, Bachmann, and Cain- on their way out of this thing.

Say what you will about Romney's Clinton-esque ability to pander, he isn't nearly the ghoul that those three are. And Huntsman, in spite of his recent silly attacks against Paul, isn't that bad, as far as establishment candidates are concerned. If he were the worst politician the GOP were throwing at the electorate, the party would be great.

Darthbrooklyn
12-29-2011, 02:54 PM
We need to push that we are THE STRONGEST on Foreign Policy

cdw
12-29-2011, 02:55 PM
I'm not sure what has been the historical bump after winning Iowa, but if Paul won Iowa by at least 5% and say - got a 10% bump from that in NH, then he would only need to make up 6% within a week to best Romney. With targeted advertisement going after Romney combined with a solid debate performance - it's very doable.

Agorism
12-29-2011, 02:55 PM
So where's our negative Romney ad at?

Should make a mashup ad of Romney supporting water boarding torture and invading Iraq.

(Our ad guy had a wife in the Romney campaign)

Roy Bleckert
12-29-2011, 02:55 PM
With some Ronmentum out of Iowa , & Frothy placing 3rd in Iowa , Ron can most likely pick up a lot of Huntsmans support & Frothy might pick up some Mittens supporters ..... could make NH very competitive

vechorik
12-29-2011, 02:56 PM
I'm on the phone with NH at the moment -- lots of RP supporters still on this list -- need help -- Campaign asks you to "call from home"

tremendoustie
12-29-2011, 03:00 PM
Interesting:

More Important: Electability or Issues?

Among those who say a candidate's ability to beat Obama is more important:
73% Watch fox
27% Don't

Among those who say issues are more important:
39% Watch Fox
61% Don't

Havax
12-29-2011, 03:02 PM
If the candidates at the time of the New
Hampshire primary were just Newt Gingrich,
Jon Huntsman, Ron Paul, and Mitt Romney,
who would you vote for?
Newt Gingrich 16%
.................................................
Jon Huntsman 16%
.................................................
Ron Paul
23%
.................................................. .......
Mitt Romney 37%

tremendoustie
12-29-2011, 03:02 PM
Among those who don't watch Fox, Dr. Paul's ahead 29%-28%.

Agorism
12-29-2011, 03:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQCtn2jVwkQ

Torture is terrorism, and Mitt Romney supports Waterboarding torture.

Why can't that me a NH commercial

eleganz
12-29-2011, 03:09 PM
Romney is still unchallenged in NH...I think Paul camp is waiting to pounce Romney right after he wins Iowa. 7 days of nonstop blasting of Romney could bring him down enough notches to get the win.

Too bad Gingrich is such a horrible candidate, he would've been a great split for us in NH....

BUSHLIED
12-29-2011, 03:09 PM
But Romney is destroying Paul with seniors 44%-11%..."

Yeah, and seniors are destroying this country...they are stubborn more than anything else. But as I said, since day 1, Ron will not win the nomination without seniors, if Paul is losing that badly to Romney with seniors, well, unfortunately...we lose primary states like NH. And that is your major problem. You'll have to bring in a hell of a lot of 45 and under voters to counter that type of imbalance. I don't think that winning Iowa is going to change seniors minds about Ron...Ron and his campaign is going to have to reach out somehow to clarify his message to seniors that the media has distorted.

enrique
12-29-2011, 03:10 PM
According to PPP. Huckabee only got 11% in NH after racing to an easy first place in Iowa. So unlikely to get enough of a bounce to catch Romney. What you shoot for is a solid second and not getting embarrassed in SC.

BUSHLIED
12-29-2011, 03:13 PM
Romney is still unchallenged in NH...I think Paul camp is waiting to pounce Romney right after he wins Iowa. 7 days of nonstop blasting of Romney could bring him down enough notches to get the win.

Too bad Gingrich is such a horrible candidate, he would've been a great split for us in NH....

IMO, Nothing is going to bring Romney down with 44% of seniors backing him...best to take second and focus on other caucus states prior to March 6th...SC and FL are lost, Ron may get a small bump in SC and FL but not enough to get second unless Newt drops out...

mwkaufman
12-29-2011, 03:14 PM
According to PPP. Huckabee only got 11% in NH after racing to an easy first place in Iowa. So unlikely to get enough of a bounce to catch Romney. What you shoot for is a solid second and not getting embarrassed in SC.

The last two times the person trailing in the New Hampshire polls defeated the person leading in the polls in New Hampshire in the Iowa caucus, the polls swung by 15% for Obama in 2008 and 20% for Kerry in 2004. On the Republican side in 2008 it was a race between McCain and Romney, the situation is much more analogous to the last two Democratic races.

SilentBull
12-29-2011, 03:15 PM
The most significant takeaway from this is that the newsletters have not hurt him at all in New Hampshire either!

Havax
12-29-2011, 03:15 PM
But Romney is destroying Paul with seniors 44%-11%..."

Yeah, and seniors are destroying this country...they are stubborn more than anything else. But as I said, since day 1, Ron will not win the nomination without seniors, if Paul is losing that badly to Romney with seniors, well, unfortunately...we lose primary states like NH. And that is your major problem. You'll have to bring in a hell of a lot of 45 and under voters to counter that type of imbalance. I don't think that winning Iowa is going to change seniors minds about Ron...Ron and his campaign is going to have to reach out somehow to clarify his message to seniors that the media has distorted.

Not surprising, these seniors are responsible for voting the people in over the past century that have us in the mess we are in today.

gyrmnix
12-29-2011, 03:17 PM
6% of Bach supporters have RP 2nd.... Romney bests that....

Huntsman and Newt supporters both have Romney 2nd choice way more than Paul...

Paul would benefit from Huntsman and Newt increasing vote share....

While I'm encouraged by this poll, this concerns me. Paul's not looking too hot on the 2nd choice polling.

kill the banks
12-29-2011, 03:19 PM
I think Ron can appeal to seniors and we have picked up on women already ... hope campaign can put out a strong alert that the check is in the mail as I feel seniors worry about their security checks for income

Yoddle
12-29-2011, 03:20 PM
Hutsman should run ads against Romney, the little Paul supporters that would be willing to leave would go to backman not him. Romney supporters would be more favorable to Hutsman. Hopefully after Paul wins IOWA he gets a big bump, then Paul/Hutsman go on the attack against Romney like what happen when Paul/Romney went after Gingrich and he fell. Then Paul gets first and Hutsman/Romney are close in the polls.

MomsBasement
12-29-2011, 03:20 PM
ROEMER IS SURGING!!

Keith and stuff
12-29-2011, 03:25 PM
IMO, Nothing is going to bring Romney down with 44% of seniors backing him..

I agree that Romney's numbers aren't going to collapse. After Ron Paul wins IA, the campaign needs to use that and figure out a way to do more uniting of the anti-Romney crowd. For example, if Newt placed 4th or 5th in IA (both possible), Ron's campaign may be able to figure out a way to attract some Newt supporters in NH to Ron. Talk about he won dozens of straw polls from coast to coast, including several in NH. Talk about the statistical tie at Ames and the win at CPAC. Talk about the win in IA and his surging numbers in NH.

Or maybe an ad with some of the Paul wins and clips of the other candidates (except Romney) saying good things about him.

nyrgoal99
12-29-2011, 03:26 PM
Romney is still unchallenged in NH...I think Paul camp is waiting to pounce Romney right after he wins Iowa. 7 days of nonstop blasting of Romney could bring him down enough notches to get the win.

Too bad Gingrich is such a horrible candidate, he would've been a great split for us in NH....

Agreed, 1 week of hard hitting ads, and Iowa win, and 2 debates

Steve-in-NY
12-29-2011, 03:33 PM
If you want to help challenge Romney in NH - GET. ON. THE. PHONES.

robert9712000
12-29-2011, 03:55 PM
not much but still funny that 1% of romney supports have a unfavorable opinion of him,2% bachman unfavorable of her

robert9712000
12-29-2011, 03:58 PM
interesting that 24% of those who voted democrat the last election are going for Mittens,huntsman is 23% and paul 20%,id have thought we would have had more democrats

TexMac
12-29-2011, 04:08 PM
IMO, Nothing is going to bring Romney down with 44% of seniors backing him...best to take second and focus on other caucus states prior to March 6th...SC and FL are lost, Ron may get a small bump in SC and FL but not enough to get second unless Newt drops out...Phone From Home is working with seniors. That's our best route to winning them over.

ronpaulitician
12-29-2011, 04:15 PM
We might be at 25% in two weeks. With some luck and some good effort, a close second place would be very good.

Cigaboo
12-29-2011, 04:25 PM
But Romney is destroying Paul with seniors 44%-11%..."

Yeah, and seniors are destroying this country...they are stubborn more than anything else. But as I said, since day 1, Ron will not win the nomination without seniors, if Paul is losing that badly to Romney with seniors, well, unfortunately...we lose primary states like NH. And that is your major problem. You'll have to bring in a hell of a lot of 45 and under voters to counter that type of imbalance. I don't think that winning Iowa is going to change seniors minds about Ron...Ron and his campaign is going to have to reach out somehow to clarify his message to seniors that the media has distorted.

This is very true. I know a few seniors that I've tried persuading about Ron Paul, but they do tend to have a stubborn loyalty to the MSM's espoused views. Winning the seniors over is going to be a challenge. I hope the official campaign, who have been very shrewd so far, have something in mind for this.

robert9712000
12-29-2011, 04:32 PM
wow 50 percent of Romney supporters support him cause they think he can beat Obama compared to 17 percent Ron Paul.39percent see issues as more important compared to 75 percent of paul.shows you how shallow his support is

Epic
12-29-2011, 04:34 PM
Need commercials touting polls that show RP is electable.

ItsTime
12-29-2011, 04:35 PM
PUSSSSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHH Phone from home every second you get. We need these lists compiled! PUSHHHHHHHHHHHH

hazek
12-29-2011, 05:08 PM
But Romney is destroying Paul 46-11 with seniors, accounting for most of his overall advantage.

Why NH still isn't bombarded with ads specifically targeted at getting senior's votes is beyond me.

kylejack
12-29-2011, 05:25 PM
Romney's supporters, 78% of them are sure they're going to vote for him. I don't think we gain much by going after them. I don't think the campaign should run a hit ad on him, especially since people like him so much. But I see another possibility.

With people who aren't Republicans, we are only trailing 24-27. We need to seek out these people who are less likely to vote in the primary and get them into the ballot box. How? PHONEBANK like crazy!

MaxPower
12-29-2011, 05:48 PM
Outstanding! The news outlets have been in full-on attack mode for over a week, and it doesn't seem to be having any effect on Dr. Paul's rise.

Michigan11
12-29-2011, 05:50 PM
I don't know, a win in Iowa, while RP is already rising in the polls steadily... you never know, especially the way voters are moving around...

A NH win is not out of the question.

kylejack
12-29-2011, 05:55 PM
I think it's pretty much hands-off Romney. Our best strats are going to be cannibalize other non-Romney campaigns or bring in people who wouldn't have otherwise voted in the Republican primary.

Brett85
12-29-2011, 06:00 PM
Should make a mashup ad of Romney supporting water boarding torture and invading Iraq.

Do you still realize that Ron is running in the REPUBLICAN primary? To me, it just seems like some of you don't think things through very well.

Brett85
12-29-2011, 06:02 PM
According to PPP. Huckabee only got 11% in NH after racing to an easy first place in Iowa. So unlikely to get enough of a bounce to catch Romney. What you shoot for is a solid second and not getting embarrassed in SC.

Yeah, but Huckabee wasn't polling at 20% before the Iowa caucus.

Warrior_of_Freedom
12-29-2011, 06:03 PM
if we can't even win NH how are we going to win other states?

kylejack
12-29-2011, 06:08 PM
if we can't even win NH how are we going to win other states?
I worry about this too. Our message takes a while for the average voter to digest because of all the propaganda they've been fed. How the heck are we going to educate voters nationwide when we can't devote as much time and resources as we've devoted to Iowa and New Hampshire?

Don't worry too much about Mittens winning NH, though. A lot of people live in southern NH and commute to Boston for work, so they have close ties to him. I think a lot of people in NH regret turning on him in favor of McCain, who bombed against Obama, and want to give him a chance this time.

My hope is that we minimize damage and come in a respectable second drawing in people who wouldn't normally vote in a Republican primary.

ItsTime
12-29-2011, 06:10 PM
if we can't even win NH how are we going to win other states?

You realize that Romney has a house in NH right? He basically lives here every summer.

Number19
12-29-2011, 06:46 PM
Why NH still isn't bombarded with ads specifically targeted at getting senior's votes is beyond me.You have to first identify the issue seniors are most concerned about. Is it entitlements; or electability; or what?

QE Is Theft
12-29-2011, 08:12 PM
How can New Hampshire claim to be rogue state if they're voting for statist Mitt used-car-salesman Romney???

kylejack
12-29-2011, 08:17 PM
How can New Hampshire claim to be rogue state if they're voting for statist Mitt used-car-salesman Romney???
They're the Live Free Or Die state. They're choosing the latter. :D

Student Of Paulism
12-29-2011, 08:23 PM
Eh, just cant seem to get within 10%, its always 15% or more :( Eh, well 2nd place there was always the goal, but it would have been nice to make it a closer fight. Agree with Kyle about the time factor, it sucks it has to play out like this. People vote for Mitt or others because of their image and base it on pure visuals, whereas Ron's message takes time (sometimes A LOT of time) to digest, and well, sadly, there isnt much time left at this point. I am sure the actual primary totals will have Ron closer, but Romney will still have more than enough to win there.

sailingaway
12-29-2011, 08:40 PM
You realize that Romney has a house in NH right? He basically lives here every summer.

I understand that Romney has donated to virtually EVERY congressman's campaign in New Hampshire since the last election.

Sublyminal
12-29-2011, 08:42 PM
I understand that Romney has donated to virtually EVERY congressman's campaign in New Hampshire since the last election.


Doesn't matter who he tries to buy, with WE THE PEOPLE! we will take back the United States.

row333au
12-29-2011, 11:47 PM
Why don't we put Facts to make Mitt Romney unelectable or not best president for 'the people'?


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The former Massachusetts governor (2003-2007). 4 years only term and was defeated in the polls, and says of Ron Paul being unelectable?......

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The Boston Globe noted today that GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney, who has a habit of lambasting the “failures” of government-backed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac....

LEADs to chase or to confirm

On his financial disclosure statement filed August 2011, Romney reported owning between $250,001 and $500,000 in a mutual fund that invests in debt notes of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, among other government entities. Over the previous year, he had reported earning between $15,001 and $50,000 in interest from those investments.

Romney made the investment in a mutual fund called the Government Obligation Fund, managed by Federated Investors Inc. The fund invests in a wide variety of sources, including government agencies and US Treasury notes. But out of a $28.5 billion portfolio, nearly half of the fund was in Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and Federal Home Loan Bank notes, according to an SEC filing made in April 2011.

In addition to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the fund also has investments in investment agreements with several banks that received federal bailout money, including Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Wells Fargo, and JP Morgan.



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I Believe Bernanke Is Doing A Good Job! Mitt Romney


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-1fOZ2SX8A&feature=related



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Mark Larsen of 1040 AM WWBA interviewed Mitt Romney on the morning of 1/29/2008. The sneers and chuckles from slippery Romney pushed him over the edge and drove him to support the only real candidate -- Ron Paul.

Call your local radio stations and mention Ron Paul! More info here: http://ronpaulchat.net/radiobomb.html

Interview with Romney pushes Mark Larsen to support Ron Paul


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lAFfLy05_Y&feature=related



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Romney is a strong defender of the Troubled Asset Relief Program and the financial bailouts. He has even talked about lowering capital gains — though for only the smaller investor.

Mitt Romney who is a private equity investor company owner who profited from the bailouts and embedded part of the extreme crony capitalism, is a firm supporter of the $700 billion bank bailout then and he still supports it today (base on his interviews, government record and actions).
In The Hindsight:

The bailout turned up to be a scam rip off.....

Starting with Tarp scam:

Although those national and smaller banks was bankrupt by the multinational Banks through their own illegal activities, the government through politicians and commercial lobbyist (despite the conflict of interest) were allowed to take over national and smaller banks to consolidate the national and domestic banking system under the multinational Banks monopoly and manipulations of controls (which have now become under more embedded to their never to fail banking that has failed and then bankrupt itself).

The very reason it was not allowed before is because, base on preventing a monopoly control structure and also the handing over of the national controls of American and domestic banking system to foreign globalisation that will dictate the national economy. But TARP did the opposite, thus the bankrupting of Americans gave the process of handing to foreign interest (including American front but trans-global ownership corporations) their economy and America’s wealth and resources.

Another thing that was allowed but is definitely a criminal in nature is, failed bankers with extreme bad debt were allowed by politicians and then they forced the smaller and national banks to take a low face value price for their banks, with the condition they foreclosed, so then the new multinational Banks can inherently own every assets, loans earnings/equity/property of all its customers and any other businesses those small and national banks have as their assets; thus instil their own rules and behest (not by public government police). The politicians and government administration forced ‘the people’ to pay for all the mistake of 'bankrupting themselves' (bankers) despite evidence of obvious embezzling, larceny and other criminal activities assisted by the government administrators and politicians.

In short, the politicians legalise the process of stealing the money from the normal people savings, commercial and investment to become theirs while giving themselves multibillion bonuses more pay on top, courtesy of the people.

Also another thing very wrong with criminal in nature..... multinational Banks that had just then claim bankrupt were allowed (as ‘the people’ were forced to pay for their bankruptcy and to make them bigger than they were before without a cent paying back) for a tax payers fund of the multinational too big to fail Banks buying spree of the other banks that they bankrupted, while they created toxic debts they made themselves whereby again the tax payers are forced to pay for their embezzlement and scamming (another need bailing out because they bankrupt themselves on top of their bankrupt).

In the Foresight:

The Tarp money was much better to have been given straight to the people to pay for their debt (since its their taxes) and it will end up bailing out the banks themselves and lose the debt loans they have in the process. Why let this tax payer’s money illegally become theirs while in the process made destitute of people, created double recession to bankrupt businesses. Which is what Ron Paul was saying in parallel which is let the banks fail and give the bail out to the people, to balance the economy and prevent burn out and avoid depression.

Funny thing is how the hell can America have less than 8% unemployment when it’s 16 trillion in debt, with every 1 in five unemployed looking for work out of approximately 200 million working employable population with double dip recession?




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Romney: Federal Reserve is audited (Manchester, New Hampshire)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCcbkHKCdxI&feature=player_embedded#!


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Romneycare Is Bankrupting Massachusetts – A Lesson On The Dangers Of Obamacare


romneycare costs grew by 600% from 2007 to 2010, adding 1.3 billion dollars of additional expenses to the already troubled eonomy in MA. When Romney left office he had already added 1 billion dollars in debt and 700 million dollars in new taxes under the guise of “fees”.

http://patriotstatesman.com/2011/05/romneycare-bankrupting-massachusetts_lesson-on-the-dangers-of-obamacare/


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Fact Check: Mitt Romney gets it wrong on auto bailout during GOP debate at Oakland University

The Associated Press:
Mitt Romney's claim that President Barack Obama "gave GM" to the United Auto Workers stood as one of the overstatements of the night Wednesday when Republican presidential candidates grappled with the economy in their latest debate. Several drifted from reality too in portraying regulations as a killer of jobs, if not the country itself.

A look at some of the claims in the debate and how they compare with the facts:

ROMNEY: President Barack Obama "gave GM to UAW, he gave Chrysler to Fiat."

THE FACTS: That's not what happened in the bailout.

A trust owned by the United Auto Workers received a 17.5 percent ownership stake in GM to help that trust pay for its retirees' health care. That stake has declined since then, after the company went public in November 2010. The trust now owns about 10 percent of General Motors. That's much smaller than the government's stake of about 30 percent, and it doesn't support the notion that the government "gave" the company to the union.

Moreover, the union did not get free rein in return for its share. It was barred from going on strike over wage issues during recent contract talks with GM and Chrysler, as a condition of the bailouts


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Canderson
12-29-2011, 11:52 PM
The campaign should put out a crony capitalist ad on Romney for NH. Talk about soliciting donations from the CEO of Deutsche Bank and othe FOREIGN Banks. Play the fear card, scare the populace into thinking hes being bribed by foreigners, which isn't exactly untrue.

seapilot
12-30-2011, 12:18 AM
Phone From Home is working with seniors. That's our best route to winning them over.

If we could get a concentrated Phone from Home effort of 500 to 1000 members of this forum to spend 2 hours calling this coming Saturday is our best chance at winning. A hail mary pass to get ahead of Romney is needed this late in the game.

wgadget
12-30-2011, 12:58 AM
So just how many senior voters are there in NH? We have the percentages but what are the actual numbers?

I think it's wise to try to get the younger voters to come out to the primary by running a Serial Hypocrisy-type ad against Mitt, emphasizing that he is a walking monetary disaster. If they can somehow also emphasize the urgency of the situation (a Romney/Obama administration) and what it would mean to both the younger and older generations economically, we could at least motivate the younger crowd to get to the polls. The wiser older ones might even change their votes if they're not too far gone.

wgadget
12-30-2011, 01:12 AM
Found this on NH demographics. Looks like the over 65 group is 13.5% of the population at least as of 2010.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/33000.html

row333au
12-30-2011, 03:50 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7147/6599402309_e365c8b08a_z.jpg

Rudeman
12-30-2011, 04:45 AM
The goal should be about becoming the anti-Romney. Winning Iowa could go a long way in doing that, especially if Gingrich does as poorly as it looks like he might.

Lets not forget that Romney has gone basically untouched this election so if we can close the gap to single digits that will be huge, plus everyone (the MSM political analysts) is expecting Romney to win big in NH.