In case you were wondering what the OWS protesters were shouting tonight

[pauliticalfan]

"Ron Paul

You say you want to repeal Roe v Wade.

What makes you think the state has the right to control a woman's reproductive decisions?

You say you want every child to have a chance to live. How will those children eat when you eliminate essential programs like WIC and food assistance?

Where will those children live when you eliminate subsidized housing?

How will those children receive healthcare when you eliminate Medicaid?

How will those children get an education when you eliminate student aid?

Mr. Paul, you do not care about the children of the 99 percent. You do not care about the rights of women. You are a servant of the Patriarchy. You are a servant of the 1 percent."

All questions RP has answered before. If anything, this helps us with conservatives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/ron-paul-iowa-occupy-protesters_n_1173613.html?ref=mostpopular

[camp_steveo]

That was pretty damn annoying.

[Shellshock1918]

That was pretty damn annoying.

Correct. 70-80% of the occupy movement is a bunch of spoiled moochers.

[chris41336]

"Freedom of speech. Ain't it great?"

[braane]

I respond with:

Random Occupier of Des Moines

How will any of those things be accomplished when the economy collapses, partially because of the current funding of said programs?

[Ranger29860]

"Freedom of speech. Ain't it great?"

That roar from the crowd after that statement sounded like it came from a packed football stadium!!

[LBennett76]

They were pretty loud and screechy for a mother/daughter (it seems). He handled it well, like he always does. Like a boss.

[back2basics]

where was this shouted?

[IterTemporis]

They must not understand anything that Dr. Paul has spoken about.. This would be a good time for a face palm.

[69360]

Kill unborn children and gimmie free stuff. Wonderful. :rolleyes:

[JoshS]

Such easily answered questions too. Says a lot about the research on claims put in by OWS.

[Carehn]

Poor people are so blind. I hope they can see the truth before its to late.

[JoshS]

How about you don't have a baby if you don't have a home or food. And take a shower.

[z9000]

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[Paulitics 2011]

A servant of the patriarchy? Are these OWS protestors or feminist activists?

[ronpaulitician]

If these people truly believed every child should have a chance to live, how can they live with themselves knowing that a child starves to death every five seconds. (Well, it's actually, a child dies every five seconds from starvation-related causes, but that doesn't flow as well.) They do realize that even being poor in a rich country is far better than being poor in a poor country, right? That they have every right to complain, but that to accuse someone of not caring about children just because they disagree on how to best accomplish that care is hypocritical unless they sacrifice every penny above and beyond what they need for basic survival to causes that seek to end hunger around the world.

[rprprs]

Three protesters, a man in his 20s and a pair of women -- Heather Ryan, 39, and her 16-year-old daughter, Heaven -- shouted from a prepared script. Their words were drowned out by the crowd of about 750, some of whom menacingly surrounded the protesters and then hustled them out.


I watched but didn't see anything "menacing". Did I miss this?

[Okie RP fan]

Please tell me someone has a video of this? This was the Vets' rally, correct?

[Steppenwolf6]

It's about time we position ourselves courageously straight against the 99%ers,face to face!
This disgusting mob of ultra-statists and commies.
I hope this opens some eyes on this dirty sheeple of worshippers of the false God state and the criminal cult of progressivism,
these idiotic,blind followers of any authoritarian,collective lie.

[Back In Black]

Bunch of morons. Any Tube of this?

[nobody's_hero]

Lol at Liberals who think repealing roe v wade takes away their right to choose. Let's teach then about the 10th amendment.

Well, if they believe that government grants rights as most liberals do, they probably think repealing any law or overturning any decision will end freedom forever.

[Vergil]

How about you don't have a baby if you don't have a home or food. And take a shower. Thats asking for too much(despite how nice that would be). OWS has rasied some fair issues in the past, but many of them are on the wrong track.

[Tod]

Kill unborn children and gimmie free stuff. Wonderful. :rolleyes:

good summary!

[Dorfsmith]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RrV8F6tRXA4

[KramerDSP]

I watched but didn't see anything "menacing". Did I miss this?

Well, the people surrounding them were definently staring daggers at them. And there were a lot of veterans there. Just saying.

[JoshS]

Thats asking for too much(despite how nice that would be). OWS has rasied some fair issues in the past, but many of them are on the wrong track.

That was a joke but really it's not asking too much at all. It's letting natural selection take it's course.

[Henry Rogue]

Correct, 2 women with about 4 or 5 cameramen closely focused on them

[Carehn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrV8F6tRXA4

[ronpaulitician]

It's about time we position ourselves courageously straight against the 99%ers,face to face!
It takes a lot of courage for a crowd of 750 to go face to face with a young man and two women.

[PaulStandsTall]

Yeah they definitely crowded around them, ushering them out of the building. Not "menacing" but definitely intimidating. I was wondering at one point if any blows were going to be thrown.

[Okie RP fan]

Thanks for that clip, but is there a video of the entire speech and handshakes, the dog, etc.?

[cdc482]

You say you want to repeal Roe v Wade.

What makes you think the state has the right to control a woman's reproductive decisions?
Might as well ask, what makes you think you have the right to control someone's fingers when they fire a gun at innocent bystanders?


You say you want every child to have a chance to live. How will those children eat when you eliminate essential programs like WIC and food assistance?

Where will those children live when you eliminate subsidized housing?

How will those children receive healthcare when you eliminate Medicaid?

How will those children get an education when you eliminate student aid?

Good questions, and I sympathize with her concerns. We should help children whose needs are unmet. But we should not steal from others others to do so. It is very wise and honorable to donate your time and money to help others in need. However, stealing from others is wrong.
Of all government welfare programs, welfare for children should be the last to be eliminated, if at all.



Mr. Paul, you do not care about the children of the 99 percent. You do not care about the rights of women. You are a servant of the Patriarchy. You are a servant of the 1 percent."
Strong statement. You don't know Ron Paul. He is a very compassionate man. He does care. Enough to personally donate to charity. He runs for President to save lives and help others who are being wronged. However, he will not hurt others in the name of helping others.

What have you done to help those in need that you can criticize Ron Paul?

[NewRightLibertarian]

Doesn't surprise me to see these idiots using the anti-man feminist buzzwords. What a bunch of trash.

[Back In Black]

Those bitches' voices are like nails on a chalkboard. They should have been tossed out much sooner.

[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I wouldn't be surprised if these unstable ultra-lefties are being egged on or even paid to go to Ron Paul events and heckle. They would love to start a physical fight with our supporters and generate another "head stomping" incident ala Rand Paul.

Please, don't lay a hand on these twerps, no matter how irritating they are. RP needs to get professional security to escort disturbances like this out before some well meaning supporter does it and causes an altercation that will be spun by the media as violence.

[cdc482]

Personally, I'd be willing to compromise with the well-intentioned liberals like Bernie Sanders on the welfare state and keep welfare programs for CHILDREN.

It sucks that the non-sheeple are being divided between democrats and republicans.

On the abortion issue, it really comes down to whether or not the fetus is a human life or not. Something no one has the knowledge to answer.

[Jack Bauer]

What I could hear


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3VtzMxmPs0

[pen_thief]

They're still in a Liberal haze. I used to be in one, too. It's embarrassing

[pen_thief]

What I could hear


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3VtzMxmPs0

LMAO!!
This is what I heard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLwfy3p8Jcg

[CTRattlesnake]

I think the occupy movement would get a lot more respect if they decided to occupy the white house and other government buildings.


Thinking that Wall Street greed is solely responsible for the problems we have is just naive, yet these people fail to acknowledge any role the government has played in destroying our economy and threatening our civil liberties.

[RP Supporter]

Some folks needs to have their heads stomped on. ;)

*Sarcasm.

[muh_roads]

Honestly the pro-life/pro-choice issue is going to be really huge if Paul wins the nomination. That is all you will hear about to keep democrats from defecting to Ron Paul. The next president could pick up to four new supreme court justices and dems are extremely worried about that.

My liberal parents love a lot of things Paul says, but that pro-life issue alone really seals the deal away from him no matter how bad Obama is. Especially for my mother.

One thing she always brings up is something Sandra Day O'Connor mentioned...was that overturning Roe v Wade could also impede on a man's right to have a vasectomy as well.

Anywho, yeah...I have no opinion on the matter...the choice/life argument isn't my reason for liking Paul though...

[eduardo89]

Kill unborn children and gimmie free stuff. Wonderful. :rolleyes:

It seems she was saying "might as well kill the kids before they're born, how will they live a good life without food stamps, subsidized housing and Medicaid?"

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

it's all about perspective, I.E. why should women have the right to decide who lives and dies? And not to mention how heavily unfair it is to the father of the child that he has no say. I.E. the woman can keep the kid even if the father doesn't want the kid, yet he can be stuck paying child support.

[eduardo89]

it's all about perspective, I.E. why should women have the right to decide who lives and dies? And not to mention how heavily unfair it is to the father of the child that he has no say. I.E. the woman can keep the kid even if the father doesn't want the kid, yet he can be stuck paying child support.

Any man who has a kid and only sees it as "being stuck with paying child support" is a scumbag. That said, if you're going to have sex, male or female, understand the risks, mitigate them, and accept the consequences.

[DealzOnWheelz]

My liberal parents love a lot of things Paul says, but that pro-life issue alone really seals the deal away from him no matter how bad Obama is. Especially for my mother.

One thing she always brings up is something Sandra Day O'Connor mentioned...was that overturning Roe v Wade could also impede on a man's right to have a vasectomy as well.

Anywho, yeah...I have no opinion on the matter...the choice/life argument isn't my reason for liking Paul though...

Shouldn't she feel better knowing that she has more power to control what goes on in her state....ie making abortion legal......RP has said he wants to leave it up to the states to decide. If someone like Santorum got into office, he'd make abortion illegal FEDERALLY; whereas with RP she would have 50 states plus territories to choose from

[eduardo89]

Shouldn't she feel better knowing that she has more power to control what goes on in her state....ie making abortion legal......RP has said he wants to leave it up to the states to decide. If someone like Santorum got into office, he'd make abortion illegal FEDERALLY; whereas with RP she would have 50 states plus territories to choose from
Probably the only issue I truly disagree with Ron and agree with Santorum on. The federal governemnt needs to ban abortion in all 50 states.

The writing of the actual laws, enforcement, prosecution, punishment should be done at the state level. However, no state should be allowed to have laws that legally murder. It should be treated just like murder of the already born is done. The federal governemnt would never allow a state to legalize murder of an already born person, so why would it let states legalize the murder of the unborn?

[mport1]

Ron Paul, how dare you not advocate stealing from people at the point of a gun! You horrible man!

[CTRattlesnake]

I tend to view the abortion issue as a liberty thing....

People argue that a woman should have the right to choice, she should have the freedom to do what she wants with her own body. When were talking about drugs, or not wearing a seatbelt, she has this freedom. However, I believe that life begins at conception and consequently, the abortion of a baby is a direct infringement on the babies inherent right to life and liberty, the same right to life and liberty that the mother has.


The essence of liberty is that you have the right to do whatever you want, so long as your actions don't encroach upon another persons life and liberty.

[CrissyNY]

Kill unborn children and gimmie free stuff. Wonderful. :rolleyes:

So true

[John of Des Moines]

All questions RP has answered before. If anything, this helps us with conservatives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/ron-paul-iowa-occupy-protesters_n_1173613.html?ref=mostpopular

I was there. I was standing back behind the media camera stand and to Paul's left. When the commotion started I rush up and was standing behind them holding my Paul hat over one of their heads (I was wearing the RP hoodie and a green jacket. A campaign staffer started to corral them (two or three women and the blond 16 y.o girl.) with outstretched arms. I moved to the front of them and helped walk them towards the back. At no time did we touch them just by a steady "air" push back. Near the back the media surrounded them while they ranted. A big guy came and locked arms with the women/girl - now 5 or 6 of them. The young blond girl was on about free education. An old woman was going on about Paul wanting to ban abortions. I told her that Paul wanted to remove the federal jurisdiction over abortion and leave it up to the states, like before Roe v Wade. She actually said she could live with that and might support Paul. I got the media to focus in on her to repeat what she had just told me.

Then another older woman ranted on about Paul being in the pockets of corporations. I told her Ron is known as Dr. No because lobbyists try to have him support their bills and he says no. The big guy said Paul refuses to answers their questions. I told him that Paul has been in Iowa 50 times (wild ass guess) and how many Paul events he had gone to and asked Paul questions. He said 13 and that Paul refused to answer his questions. I told him that I could not believe him that Paul refused to answer his questions. With that they pretty much left.

One OWS guy came up to me and we had a rational conservation. He ended up inviting me down to their new inside headquarters tomorrow and to talk to all of them. Jesse Jackson will be there tomorrow night.

[james1906]

Is it just me or did the crowd (and Ron) look a bit confused that they were interrupting Ron Paul? This just shows the DNC claptrap co-opted the movement.

[CrissyNY]

PS... Thank you OP for the translation; I was watching live and could not decipher a word that was screamed.

[FriedChicken]

Ron is fine with banning abortion actually, he is the first person to ever write a "life begins at conception" amendment that would make it constitutional for the federal government to do so.
You know Ron, he stays with the constitution and uses the amendment process and never strays even when it seems like it would be for the greater good.

[DealzOnWheelz]

Any man who has a kid and only sees it as "being stuck with paying child support" is a scumbag. That said, if you're going to have sex, male or female, understand the risks, mitigate them, and accept the consequences.

I don't think thats what he means. I believe he is referring to the decision to abort rests solely in the hands of the woman; the man cannot stop her from aborting if she wants to & a man cannot make her abort if she doesn't want to.

I believe the question behind his statement is, if a woman can ABORT/Kill her fetus; why can a man not wash his hands of responsibility?? The latter is better for the child, because it lives. I'm not condoning shirking your responsibility, but I think it is a fair question to raise, the laws are unfair in respect to the rights of men. We always talk about the man leaving & woman wanting the child.......But

If we talk about a woman wanting to abort & the husband wanting to keep the baby.....The husband has absolutley NO RIGHTS......It is a very valid topic to bring up

[NoPants]

One thing she always brings up is something Sandra Day O'Connor mentioned...was that overturning Roe v Wade could also impede on a man's right to have a vasectomy as well.

And by that logic they could pass a law making it illegal to use condoms, women's birth control or even restricting a mans right to beat off (every sperm is sacred :rolleyes: ). Next time your mom says something ludicrous like that tell her Big Pharma has too money in birth control for a state to ever allow something like this to become a law.

[Lafayette]

I don't see anything "menacing" in that video, and the only crowd i see around them are camera wielding media. Only at the end do we see 3 or 4 big Paul supporters herd them out the door, no contact was made by anyone against them. However you do see at :34 what appears to be the blond girl shove an elderly women (Paul supporter?)

*edit*
After watching it a half dozen more times it appears she takes a swipe at a camera man.

[CrissyNY]

I don't think thats what he means. I believe he is referring to the decision to abort rests solely in the hands of the woman; the man cannot stop her from aborting if she wants to & a man cannot make her abort if she doesn't want to.

I believe the question behind his statement is, if a woman can ABORT/Kill her fetus; why can a man not wash his hands of responsibility?? The latter is better for the child, because it lives. I'm not condoning shirking your responsibility, but I think it is a fair question to raise, the laws are unfair in respect to the rights of men. We always talk about the man leaving & woman wanting the child.......But

If we talk about a woman wanting to abort & the husband wanting to keep the baby.....The husband has absolutley NO RIGHTS......It is a very valid topic to bring up

Wow, never thought of it that way.

Interesting points.

[John F Kennedy III]

Correct. 70-80% of the occupy movement is a bunch of spoiled moochers.

Yep.

[jer4liberty]

And to believe some of the people on this forum were supporting the occupy movement. It really is a group of sick individuals.

[DealzOnWheelz]

I'm fine with the Life begins at conception ammendment because i know it will never pass......I don't believe life begins at conception. I believe if the fetus could not survive outside the womb it is still part of the mother and a collection of cells which is the blueprint and foundation to develop a new life......so that makes life begin at or around 23 weeks in my view

And couldn't the arguement be made that Life doesn't have a beginning because egg cells & sperm are live and a fetus is just 2 live cells joining to create anew living being, which could then inturn be used to outlaw birth control??

[affa]

And to believe some of the people on this forum were supporting the occupy movement. It really is a group of sick individuals.

3 people at one event, who may or may not actually be real OWS people don't represent the Occupy movement even if they are real OWS people. It's a large group of people with divergent ideas. Many of them, including these people, are misinformed. They clearly haven't researched Ron Paul themselves, but rather are regurgitating anti-Paul talking points from the left.

Painting an entire group of people like this is collectivist thinking. The majority of OWS are simply sick of corporatism. Many of them don't realize big gov't doesn't stop corporations, but rather, beds with them. They hear words like 'regulation' and think 'stopping sweatshops employing 5 year olds', and don't think about all the regulations that were written by industry to help industry. They understand the problems -- they just don't fully grasp the cause of the problems, nor the solution to the problems.

They aren't sick. I've woken a couple up myself - but as Ron Paul would say - you can't convince anyone of anything if you don't understand their position.

[Bruno]

That roar from the crowd after that statement sounded like it came from a packed football stadium!!

Yeah, we shouted them down pretty good!

[pauliticalfan]

What an eventful day in Ron Paul land...

[69360]

I'm fine with the Life begins at conception ammendment because i know it will never pass......I don't believe life begins at conception. I believe if the fetus could not survive outside the womb it is still part of the mother and a collection of cells which is the blueprint and foundation to develop a new life......so that makes life begin at or around 23 weeks in my view

And couldn't the arguement be made that Life doesn't have a beginning because egg cells & sperm are live and a fetus is just 2 live cells joining to create anew living being, which could then inturn be used to outlaw birth control??

I really don't want this to turn into a multipage rant/fight.

But you could scientifically prove that at conception there is new unique human life with a simple DNA test. The sperm has the fathers DNA and the egg has the mothers. Once they combine it is new unique human DNA, not "a collection of cells" and not part of the mother. If you did a DNA test on an aborted fetus it's not the mother's DNA and not part of the mother.

Just consider it.

[opinionatedfool]

Bunch of morons. Any Tube of this?

Watch the beginning of this speech and you'll see it.


http://www.youtube.com/user/LibertySource#p/u/0/4518OmVbIuU

[torchbearer]

It's about time we position ourselves courageously straight against the 99%ers,face to face!
This disgusting mob of ultra-statists and commies.
I hope this opens some eyes on this dirty sheeple of worshippers of the false God state and the criminal cult of progressivism,
these idiotic,blind followers of any authoritarian,collective lie.

it is a sad day when someone gets banned for speaking the truth.
on this site, their is only one truth. the one josh approves. almost like fox news... wait...

[torchbearer]

And to believe some of the people on this forum were supporting the occupy movement. It really is a group of sick individuals.

tread carefully, this site owner supports this group.

[The_Ruffneck]

Occupiers support socialism , of course they would oppose Paul.
Fact is though they don't understand one thing : THE USA IS BANKRUPT!

[Hospitaller]

Probably the only issue I truly disagree with Ron and agree with Santorum on. The federal governemnt needs to ban abortion in all 50 states.

The writing of the actual laws, enforcement, prosecution, punishment should be done at the state level. However, no state should be allowed to have laws that legally murder. It should be treated just like murder of the already born is done. The federal governemnt would never allow a state to legalize murder of an already born person, so why would it let states legalize the murder of the unborn?

How do you stop a black market for abortion when you illegalize it?

Start a war on abortion? Just like the unsuccessful war on drugs?

[The_Ruffneck]

Honestly the pro-life/pro-choice issue is going to be really huge if Paul wins the nomination. That is all you will hear about to keep democrats from defecting to Ron Paul. The next president could pick up to four new supreme court justices and dems are extremely worried about that.
Thats a bigger issue to people than the economy , the debt , the wars? wow
I don't agree with Paul as i believe abortion should be allowed in the cases of rape and serious health problems within the unborn baby but still , it's way down my list of issues...

[69360]

Jesse Jackson will be there tomorrow night.

Oh wonderful. Is Rev Al coming too? This is going to be a freaking circus. :rolleyes:

[DealzOnWheelz]

How do you stop a black market for abortion when you illegalize it?

Start a war on abortion? Just like the unsuccessful war on drugs?

You don't; There will always be a Dr. Kevorkian

[nasonex]

The answer is simple.

Reduce government so taxes can be lowered, which will create jobs so parents can pay for education, food, housing, etc.

The best way to take care of the 99% is to enable them to take care of themselves.

[John of Des Moines]

Oh wonderful. Is Rev Al coming too? This is going to be a freaking circus. :rolleyes:

From what I understand Jesse is only going to give them a pep talk. No word that he's hanging around town.

[McDermit]

We had a couple OWSers show up at one of our RP meetups. Hurr durr, don't you care about the healthcare of the indignent? They can't afford insurance! I haven't bothered to research RP's positions, but I'm going to show up and harrass him/his supporters about things I do not understand. Answer me! Answer me! What about my question? I don't like that answer, so I'm going to ask you 7 more times. Annoying.

I have little tolerance for willful ignorance, and OWS participants tend to rank pretty high on that scale.

[John of Des Moines]

We had a couple OWSers show up at one of our RP meetups. Hurr durr, don't you care about the healthcare of the indignent? They can't afford insurance! I haven't bothered to research RP's positions, but I'm going to show up and harrass him/his supporters about things I do not understand. Answer me! Answer me! What about my question? I don't like that answer, so I'm going to ask you 7 more times. Annoying.

I have little tolerance for willful ignorance, and OWS participants tend to rank pretty high on that scale.

They just need a good talking to about the realities of life. Most of them are not frickin' socialists. They're against big corporations buying politicians.

[torchbearer]

These people believe in "yes we can" take from you to give to everyone each according to what they need.

[sailingaway]

They should learn someone's positions before yelling at people. It just makes them seem like idiots otherwise.

[cajuncocoa]

"Ron Paul

You say you want to repeal Roe v Wade.

What makes you think the state has the right to control a woman's reproductive decisions?

You say you want every child to have a chance to live. How will those children eat when you eliminate essential programs like WIC and food assistance?

Where will those children live when you eliminate subsidized housing?

How will those children receive healthcare when you eliminate Medicaid?

How will those children get an education when you eliminate student aid?

Mr. Paul, you do not care about the children of the 99 percent. You do not care about the rights of women. You are a servant of the Patriarchy. You are a servant of the 1 percent."

What is sad is that they believe no one can get an education, or food on the table, or a roof over their head unless government subsidizes those things. It's called GETTING A JOB!! Those children can eat and go to school and be sheltered the same way my own children were: by the fruit of the labor of their parents.

[torchbearer]

They should learn someone's positions before yelling at people. It just makes them seem like idiots otherwise.

all those women saw was an old rich white republican talking about taking away their welfare and allowing businesses to do what they want.
this is the opposite of marxism and would drive a marxist into such a passionate rage as to become a side show at an honest man's event.

[J_White]

why dont they go the Russia or China or some socialist country in europe ? greece italy would be fine.

[RM918]

THE GOVERNMENT IS CORRUPT!

HOW DARE YOU NOT TRUST THE GOVERNMENT?

I really do not get these people.

[Crickett]

Correct, 2 women with about 4 or 5 cameramen closely focused on them

Ya, and the NEWSTARDS gave them a microphone..that was really rude..

[damiengwa]

Ron should issue a point-by-point response....PR event, another!

[Bruno]

Ya, and the NEWSTARDS gave them a microphone..that was really rude..

I was in the front row, and as they all ran over to cover those people, I was disgusted as well.

[muh_roads]

And by that logic they could pass a law making it illegal to use condoms, women's birth control or even restricting a mans right to beat off (every sperm is sacred :rolleyes: ). Next time your mom says something ludicrous like that tell her Big Pharma has too money in birth control for a state to ever allow something like this to become a law.

Well to be fair to her, the vasectomy doesn't have much to do with Big Pharma. It is an operation just like abortion is an operation. But yeah...I argue with her all the time over stuff...sometimes I just give up, heh.

A few months ago I just couldn't get her to understand that forcing insurance companies to cover birth control pills is going to drive up the cost of the pills for those who don't have insurance. And you could actually cause more unwanted pregnancies.

[Crickett]

I tend to view the abortion issue as a liberty thing....

People argue that a woman should have the right to choice, she should have the freedom to do what she wants with her own body. When were talking about drugs, or not wearing a seatbelt, she has this freedom. However, I believe that life begins at conception and consequently, the abortion of a baby is a direct infringement on the babies inherent right to life and liberty, the same right to life and liberty that the mother has.


The essence of liberty is that you have the right to do whatever you want, so long as your actions don't encroach upon another persons
life and liberty.

Well, Ron has tempered my views, a lot, concerning the right to life, but I still just can not believe that life begins at conception. I believe the potential for life begins then. That is life only as cell growth. I believe if something does not breathe, eat and crap it is something other than human, and I would not like federal laws to "tell" me what to believe. As the time comes nearer to birth, that potential for life becomes much stronger, and I could not see the right in having an abortion then. On another point, I think if an unwed mother is receiving government assistance for her child and has another one, she should lose the assistance for the first. At one time I was truly FOR medicaid paying for abortions. I am not, now, Ron has turned me..but not totally. It is one of the only things I do not agree with him on, but I see his point from where he comes from.

[ctiger2]

Correct. 70-80% of the occupy movement is a bunch of spoiled moochers.

No doubt few in this country have experienced true poverty.

[SchleckBros]

Well, Ron has tempered my views, a lot, concerning the right to life, but I still just can not believe that life begins at conception. I believe the potential for life begins then. That is life only as cell growth. I believe if something does not breathe, eat and crap it is something other than human, and I would not like federal laws to "tell" me what to believe. As the time comes nearer to birth, that potential for life becomes much stronger, and I could not see the right in having an abortion then. On another point, I think if an unwed mother is receiving government assistance for her child and has another one, she should lose the assistance for the first. At one time I was truly FOR medicaid paying for abortions. I am not, now, Ron has turned me..but not totally. It is one of the only things I do not agree with him on, but I see his point from where he comes from.

When does life begin? Nobody knows, except for God (if you believe in one). And if we don't truly know when life begins then why should we chance it because it may or may not be a human life. Life is precious and risking a human life is way too risky imho.

[Monarchist]

The OWS handlers at the DNC are afraid of Ron Paul's sudden rise to front-runner status; expect them to stage more of these to scare off potential Dem/Indy crossover voters.

[milo10]

Honestly the pro-life/pro-choice issue is going to be really huge if Paul wins the nomination. That is all you will hear about to keep democrats from defecting to Ron Paul. The next president could pick up to four new supreme court justices and dems are extremely worried about that.

My liberal parents love a lot of things Paul says, but that pro-life issue alone really seals the deal away from him no matter how bad Obama is. Especially for my mother.

One thing she always brings up is something Sandra Day O'Connor mentioned...was that overturning Roe v Wade could also impede on a man's right to have a vasectomy as well.

Anywho, yeah...I have no opinion on the matter...the choice/life argument isn't my reason for liking Paul though...

I agree. I am very strongly pro-choice, but I have put that to the side to support Ron. As an anarchist, I see all of this as part of a process. I am not looking for the perfect candidate, I am just looking for someone who, taken as a whole, is clearly better than what we have now to get the ball rolling towards greater freedom.

And frankly, you have to be aware of the overall situation we find ourselves in. In a much less troubled era, then a candidate's stance on abortion could be significant, and with a candidate less exceptional than Ron it could easily be a deal breaker. Today we have wars and a bankrupt economy to contend with. Before the decade is out, we could easily be looking at a societal collapse on the level of Argentina.

On the negatives, you have a candidate who supports the pro-life movement, which is tied to a religion that has been in decline for centuries, and which has a view of life that is simplistic, binary, and oddly non-spiritual, and its most common rhetoric about life beginning at conception would even view the morning-after pill as murder. I don't see the pro-life movement going anywhere. I think of it as something like PETA.

I don't know if any of that will resonate with them, but felt like sharing it.

[Lymeade-Lady]

I believe if something does not breathe, eat and crap it is something other than human, and I would not like federal laws to "tell" me what to believe. As the time comes nearer to birth, that potential for life becomes much stronger, and I could not see the right in having an abortion then. If you think like this, I have to assume you've never had a child in your womb. The amount of bonding that takes place before birth between a mother and a child is something I never understood before hand. When I'd play my guitar, my daughter would kick along. We even played "games" of kicking back and forth (well, I'd poke). Interactions start even before the halfway point of a pregnancy. I'd say the sign of life is a beating heart. A baby hardly "eats"--milk is practically predigested food b/c babies can't eat. Sorry, this mother will take issue with you if you say my babies weren't souls in the womb. My second I knew was different early on. I was right--strong-willed doesn't even begin to describe her. It was evident well-before birth. As a mom, I would have turned into a mother bear if you insinuated my babies were human/alive/real whatever just b/c you could see them. I could feel them day in and day out. Just ask someone like Helen Keller and you'll realize sight and sound are not necessary for interaction. And besides, the babies respond to your voice b/c they can hear you. My daughter at birth clearly responded to a song sung to her repeatedly in my womb. Her life had NOT just begun. Otherwise, she wouldn't have experience to remember. I guess I'm not one to debate about which day life begins on, but when they have a heartbeat and hands and feet, well, I just can't say there isn't a life growing inside. Sure, babies born early need a life-support of sorts to live, but so do people as they near the end of their life and we don't just count them dead b/c they eat through a feeding tube and breathe with a machine, and maybe even have their waste come out in a bag instead of the normal way.

[tod evans]

I don't think thats what he means. I believe he is referring to the decision to abort rests solely in the hands of the woman; the man cannot stop her from aborting if she wants to & a man cannot make her abort if she doesn't want to.

I believe the question behind his statement is, if a woman can ABORT/Kill her fetus; why can a man not wash his hands of responsibility?? The latter is better for the child, because it lives. I'm not condoning shirking your responsibility, but I think it is a fair question to raise, the laws are unfair in respect to the rights of men. We always talk about the man leaving & woman wanting the child.......But

If we talk about a woman wanting to abort & the husband wanting to keep the baby.....The husband has absolutley NO RIGHTS......It is a very valid topic to bring up

As a father who is fighting for custody of his son I agree whole-heartedly with this post!
Fathers as a collective group have little to no weight in the legal arena, and this is with children out of the womb!
Pro-life or pro-abortion.....neither faction can argue that it takes both a man and a woman to concieve a child so how is it logical to grant enhanced legal rights to woman?

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

Perhaps because, the plan is to get the country OUT OF DEBT. Thus, eliminating the need for massive welfare spending to begin with? They act as if we should always be entirely dependent on these services.

[Captain Shays]

Why is it that the pro choice crowd is always at the fight to remove every personal choice that I have whether to wear my seat belt, or a helmut? To eat trans fats or put salt shakers on the tables at my establishment? OR what kind of light bulb I use in my own house, or the washing machine that I use? Hypocrites.

[SonofThunder]

Lol at Liberals who think repealing roe v wade takes away their right to choose. Let's teach then about the 10th amendment.

They want the right to choose to murder an unborn child, but they don't want the rest of us to have the right to choose who we exchange with, for how much, and with what currency.

[LibertyEagle]

where was this shouted?

At Paul's rally for Veterans in Iowa. It took place last night.

[LibertyEagle]

3 people at one event, who may or may not actually be real OWS people don't represent the Occupy movement even if they are real OWS people. It's a large group of people with divergent ideas. Many of them, including these people, are misinformed. They clearly haven't researched Ron Paul themselves, but rather are regurgitating anti-Paul talking points from the left.

Painting an entire group of people like this is collectivist thinking. The majority of OWS are simply sick of corporatism. Many of them don't realize big gov't doesn't stop corporations, but rather, beds with them. They hear words like 'regulation' and think 'stopping sweatshops employing 5 year olds', and don't think about all the regulations that were written by industry to help industry. They understand the problems -- they just don't fully grasp the cause of the problems, nor the solution to the problems.

They aren't sick. I've woken a couple up myself - but as Ron Paul would say - you can't convince anyone of anything if you don't understand their position.

It was OWS. I watched their rather lengthy meeting that was shown on C-SPAN yesterday. I watched while they signed up to go "occupy" the various campaigns.

[FrankRep]

This is kinda funny:

Ron Paul Iowa Event Interrupted By Occupy Protesters (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/ron-paul-iowa-occupy-protesters_n_1173613.html?ref=mostpopular)



"He's not for the corporate people, he's for the little guy," Kurr told HuffPost. "He's for everybody. He's not for Wall Street."

Some Occupy protesters agreed. As Kurr spoke to the group, one woman said she supports Paul. Another protester, 28-year-old Des Moines resident Clarke Davidson, told HuffPost he also likes Paul, but wanted to stand in solidarity with his fellow Occupiers.



He likes Ron Paul, but protested him anyway because he wanted to stand in "solidarity" with Occupy Wall Street.

LOL. That is pathetic.

[The_Ruffneck]

How many OWS people were there? didn't look like many from the footage i saw.

[Blue]

It's an unfavorable movement now, so this happening is completely irrelevant.

[Dianne]

That roar from the crowd after that statement sounded like it came from a packed football stadium!!

Yeah, and CNN was reporting that Gingrich (although falling in the polls) drew in almost 200 peeps to hear one of his speeches, lmao.. Ron Paul normally 1000, but lets not talk about that.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Yeah, and CNN was reporting that Gingrich (although falling in the polls) drew in almost 200 peeps to hear one of his speeches, lmao.. Ron Paul normally 1000, but lets not talk about that.They couldn't fit in the room to see Paul so they unenthusiastically watched what Gingrich was shitting out of his mouth.

[joshnorris14]

Lol this thread seems to show the major divide ideologically in the RP movement. I don't think many of you are ready for radical Libertarianism


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNTAmwUHcLM