Occupy Iowa protesters set to occupy campaign headquarters

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http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/iowastatedaily.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/0/2c/02c33fa4-3110-11e1-874a-0019bb2963f4/4efaa0ff59777.image.jpg

http://iowastatedaily.com/caucus2012/article_b214b90c-310f-11e1-b9d7-0019bb2963f4.html

[Jack Bauer]

This MIGHT be used as an excuse to push out Ron Paul caucus supporters!

Be very careful!

Edit: Someone MUST alert the campaign ASAP!

[Eric39]

If anyone is in Iowa and is good with debate and such, k would recommend trying to level with OWS and appeal to them.

I think a lot of OWS is Ron Paul supporters who just don't know it yet. If you do so, come equipped with the facts about social issues and how Paul would deal with them.

A lot of these people think that socialism is the only way to provide cheap healthcare and don't understand the implications how regulations are pushed by the powerful under the guise of goodwill.

[Maximus]

As long as it stays at around 100 people I won't be worried about it.

[Joe3113]

This is an attempt to physically disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters from the side of the George Soros machine as opposed to the Neocon side.

We are being attacked on all sides.

If they disrupt the organisation then you must do whatever is necessary.

[vechorik]

Oh well, look at the bright side. I've heard many bloggers claim that RP supporters are WITH OWS, so this definitely disproves that misconception.

[John of Des Moines]

The article says 18 will "occupy" Paul. I say after they hear Paul's message about not supporting TARP and how the FED screws things up 12 of them will flip and caucus and/or campaign for Paul, 2 of them will go home in disgust at the remaining 4 because they'll figure out those 4 for are just NGO disinformation agents.

[Kade]

This is an attempt to physically disenfranchise Ron Paul supporters from the side of the George Soros machine as opposed to the Neocon side.

We are being attacked on all sides.

If they disrupt the organisation then you must do whatever is necessary.

Holy optical herpes, people like you actually exist?

[Kade]

Oh well, look at the bright side. I've heard many bloggers claim that RP supporters are WITH OWS, so this definitely disproves that misconception.

This thread needs eye bleach. Many OWS protesters are VERY sympathetic with Ron Paul and RP supporters, and it goes both way, I am a Ron Paul supporter who supports strongly OWS. This is an argument for another day. Reach out to these people. They are not going to agree 100% with you, but they show up to all popular campaign HQs so that they can get their message heard.

Also, by writing 'disproves that misconception' you are saying the same thing as "proves that idea"... in case you want your improvident rage to be taken seriously.

[Oukvekpwv]

If anyone is in Iowa and is good with debate and such, k would recommend trying to level with OWS and appeal to them.

I think a lot of OWS is Ron Paul supporters who just don't know it yet. If you do so, come equipped with the facts about social issues and how Paul would deal with them.

A lot of these people think that socialism is the only way to provide cheap healthcare and don't understand the implications how regulations are pushed by the powerful under the guise of goodwill.

because of their type of idealism some of them are beyond reason.. few are sympathetic to Paul but most don't go for him; from my expeirence.. theres been times where I and other Iowan ron paul supporters have tried to open dialog and they take it as we are trying to infiltrate their movement.. Ive been told "not to make them feel guilty for not being friendly with us because it will back fire" for example.. theres also been times where ron paul supporters posts have been deleated and supporters banned from their facebook groups...

In the end, from what Ive seen, OWS only appeals to socialistic minded anarchy.. They want the rich to "pay their fair share" is what it comes down to..

it doesnt matter that Rons campaign is purely grassroots, that he is against the wars, or that ron is the only one defending civil liberties.. they dont like him because of his econmic policies.. this will be a fun thing to have to deal with as we get to the general.. but I am not convinced the movement is strong enough yet in and of itself to have that large of an impact.. but its a mentality that wont easily be persuaded..

[Kade]

because of their type of idealism some of them are beyond reason.. few are sympathetic to Paul but most don't go for him; from my expeirence.. theres been times where I and other Iowan ron paul supporters have tried to open dialog and they take it as we are trying to infiltrate their movement.. Ive been told "not to make them feel guilty for not being friendly with us because it will back fire" for example.. theres also been times where ron paul supporters posts have been deleated and supporters banned from their facebook groups...

In the end, from what Ive seen, OWS only appeals to socialistic minded anarchy.. They want the rich to "pay their fair share" is what it comes down to..

it doesnt matter that Rons campaign is purely grassroots, that he is against the wars, or that ron is the only one defending civil liberties.. they dont like him because of his econmic policies.. this will be a fun thing to have to deal with as we get to the general.. but I am not convinced the movement is strong enough yet in and of itself to have that large of an impact.. but its a mentality that wont easily be persuaded..

Ironically, they feel the EXACT same way about you.

[ShaneEnochs]

I dig the lady on the left's peter pan hat.

[gjdavis60]

If there is disruption of the caucuses, could the Iowa GOP use that as an excuse to take some extraordinary action that would affect the outcome; like the Nevada nominating convention 4 years ago?

[Oukvekpwv]

Ironically, they feel the EXACT same way about you.

yea I didnt say that they didnt feel that way.. just saying to doesnt make relating to eachother any easier

[Muwahid]

Try to explain to them that the Utopia they seek, just will never happen.

[ZanZibar]

This is not a problem, the IA campaign has dealt with nonsense like this before

[camp_steveo]

The article says 18 will "occupy" Paul. I say after they hear Paul's message about not supporting TARP and how the FED screws things up 12 of them will flip and caucus and/or campaign for Paul, 2 of them will go home in disgust at the remaining 4 because they'll figure out those 4 for are just NGO disinformation agents.

That would be funny and sweet. :D

[Constitutional Paulicy]

I'm a strong proponent of putting an end to the Fed (see my avatar). The vast majority or OWS protestors arent looking for handouts. Many of them were and are middleclass that see it shrinking. Ron Paul's economic policy and anti-statusquo message is more aligned with this group than any other candidate. So I highly suspect that this could be a good thing if they are willing to listen long enough to RP's message.

[Constitutional Paulicy]

I'm a strong proponent of putting an end to the Fed (see my avatar). The vast majority or OWS protestors arent looking for handouts. Many of them were and are middle class that see it shrinking. Ron Paul's economic policy and anti-status quo message is more aligned with this group than any other candidate. So I highly suspect that this could be a good thing if they are willing to listen long enough to RP's message.

[BKom]

If there is disruption of the caucuses, could the Iowa GOP use that as an excuse to take some extraordinary action that would affect the outcome; like the Nevada nominating convention 4 years ago?

The problem is that in Nevada, they didn't actually need any excuse. They simply turned out the lights and ran from the room. All excuses made were formulated later and had no bearing on reality. There is always something "they" can do. However, the caucuses are not in one location, so it would be much more difficult to take action as drastic as what they did to us.

[Naraku]

Caucus-goers should recite the U.S. Code on the Federal Reserve that explicitly states the members of the Board of Governors need to be chosen based on a "fair representation" of "commercial interests" with no mention of the people. Maybe, those Occupiers will consider a vote for Paul far better than their vote of "no preference" as has been reported.

[FriedChicken]

This thread needs eye bleach. Many OWS protesters are VERY sympathetic with Ron Paul and RP supporters, and it goes both way, I am a Ron Paul supporter who supports strongly OWS. This is an argument for another day. Reach out to these people. They are not going to agree 100% with you, but they show up to all popular campaign HQs so that they can get their message heard.

Also, by writing 'disproves that misconception' you are saying the same thing as "proves that idea"... in case you want your improvident rage to be taken seriously.

I'm only replying to your tone ...

When speaking to Vechorik, speak respectfully. She has done too much to help RP win the caucus through phone from home to put up with snot-nose replies from you.

[r3volution]

i say set up a table in front of the headquarters with punch , snacks and flyer s .

[Kade]

I'm only replying to your tone ...

When speaking to Vechorik, speak respectfully. She has done too much to help RP win the caucus through phone from home to put up with snot-nose replies from you.

Does she hold the blame if he doesn't win the caucus?

Let people fight their own battles, you have no idea what other people outside these forums have done for this movement, and you are going to march in here like some gestapo to pass judgement? This is a freaking forum. The real world beckons. The fight is long, and if we mean to win a big election it is going to take a dedicated group of people reaching out to the non-stupids in this country. This includes, unfortunately for the stubborn couch-dwellers, people like me who are willing to stand out in the cold for ballot access, pass out pamphlets on the streets, drive people to polling places, change hearts and minds of the dreaded "other side" on their home front. If you bring half the garbage that is spout on this forum to any serious minded electorate, you are making all our jobs harder. You are letting a potential Iowa victory cloud your long term vision. These people mean to stomp on our faces, discredit the ideals we stand for, and ultimately choose the leaders they want like some sort of inbred monarchy selection process. I'll not stand for it. I come to these forums like I always have, in passing, to stop rampant ignorance when I see it. This wouldn't be nearly as necessary if there wasn't a complete anal expulsion of sympathetic left-leaning supporters on the site... so very frustrating, or can you read that in my tone too?

[Kade]

This entire thread is another exercise in ostracizing potential converts. Why do you people keep doing this to the movement?!

[Captain Shays]

I'm a strong proponent of putting an end to the Fed (see my avatar). The vast majority or OWS protestors arent looking for handouts. Many of them were and are middleclass that see it shrinking. Ron Paul's economic policy and anti-statusquo message is more aligned with this group than any other candidate. So I highly suspect that this could be a good thing if they are willing to listen long enough to RP's message.

I read the article and it quoted Lincoln. What it didn't include from that same quote was an indictment about the central bankers. If anyone from our camp encounters one of these OWS protestors they should be armed with the full tect of the quote. It will help to win a few of them over to our side.

[xFiFtyOnE]

Most of these OWS are mildly retarded. When they see Ron Paul the only thing that registers with them is the R infront of his name.

[sailingaway]

This entire thread is another exercise in ostracizing potential converts. Why do you people keep doing this to the movement?!

I'm not sure YOUR movement is everybody's movement.

[sailingaway]

Most of these OWS are mildy retarded. When they see Ron Paul the only thing that registers with them is the R infront of his name.

Don't insult. Some are fantastic, some awful. They are there for a variety of reasons just like the early tea parties. Ron Paul keeps communication open, and so should we.

[Return2Sanity]

I can sympathize with the OWS too, to the extent that many of the problems they see in our society are real. But, it's hard to understand why some of them would think big government programs are the answer to these problems. Assisting people from the Federal level dehumanizes the whole process. When people help others at the community level, they have the opportunity to know them personally and understand their problems. They can find out if what's actually needed is food, or job skills training, or help overcoming a drinking problem, or maybe just some encouragement and support. They can see if the help they are giving is truly useful. At the federal level, assistance has become a soulless machine, with cash being automatically transferred from one person to another without any opportunity for personal connection, or creative problem-solving, or the giving and receiving of gratitude.

[ZanZibar]

This is good because being attacked by the far left helps squash the emerging narrative that Ron Paul is a "liberal" himself.