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FrankRep
12-26-2011, 10:08 AM
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Only Six Reps and No Senators Scored 100% on Latest Freedom Index (http://www.jbs.org/legislation/only-six-reps-and-no-senators-scored-100-on-latest-jbs-scorecard)


John Birch Society (http://www.jbs.org/)
December 20, 2011


Here's the latest "Freedom Index: A Congressional Scorecard Based on the Constitution. (http://www.jbs.org/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=file&task=download&id=262%3Afreedom-index-january-2012)"

This voting index scores all 435 Representatives and 100 Senators in Congress based on 10 votes on key issues in each house during the second half of 2011. Only six Representatives and no Senators scored 100 percent. Republican presidential candidates Michelle Bachmann (R-Minn.) and Ron Paul (R-Texas) have cumulative scores of 86 percent and 100 percent, respectively, for votes 1-20 in 2011.

The votes in the House included: Libya; Incandescent Light Bulbs; Debt Deal; Debt Limit Disapproval; National Labor Relations Board; Cross-state Air-pollution Rules; South Korea Trade Agreement; Abortion Funding; Agriculture-Commerce-Justice-Science-Transportation-HUD Appropriations; and Congressional Approval of Major Regulations.

The votes in the Senate included: IMF Loans; Debt Deal; Debt Limit Disapproval; Trade Promotion Authority; Jobs Program; South Korea Trade Agreement; Net Neutrality; Cross-state Pollution; Agriculture-Commerce-Justice-Science-Transportation-HUD Appropriations; and Indefinite Detention.

The average House score for this index (votes 11-20), the second for the current Congress, is 48 percent. The average Senate score is 40 percent.

Click here (http://www.jbs.org/index.php?option=com_rokdownloads&view=folder&id=131&Itemid=259) to view the entire list of "Freedom Index" PDF downloads from 1987 to present.

steph3n
12-26-2011, 10:25 AM
Rand :( you let me down.

not really, I never expect a politician to agree with me on all.

Aratus
12-26-2011, 10:54 AM
rand is at 95%

FrankRep
12-27-2011, 11:52 AM
How did you congressman do?

oyarde
12-27-2011, 11:58 AM
How did you congressman do? 70 %

jmdrake
12-27-2011, 12:03 PM
Rand :( you let me down.

not really, I never expect a politician to agree with me on all.

Rand's only down mark is for voting for the South Korean Trade Agreement, and I don't quite follow the JBS reasoning here. Yes I'm against things like the WTO, but bilateral trade agreements would seem to fall under congresses power to "regulate commerce with foreign nations". Maybe the JBS feels this particular agreement delegates too much power to the executive. But they don't make that clear in their report nor do they list the offending provisions. So I can give Rand a "pass" on this one without feeling like I'm giving him a "pass".

jmdrake
12-27-2011, 12:05 PM
How did you congressman do?

Congressman Jim Cooper %10. (As would be expected)
Senator Lamar Alexander %40. (Higher than expected, but probably because he was voting against Obama sometimes)
Senator Bob Corker %50. (Higher than expected, but probably because he was voting against Obama sometimes)

oyarde
12-27-2011, 12:06 PM
Rand's only down mark is for voting for the South Korean Trade Agreement, and I don't quite follow the JBS reasoning here. Yes I'm against things like the WTO, but bilateral trade agreements would seem to fall under congresses power to "regulate commerce with foreign nations". Maybe the JBS feels this particular agreement delegates too much power to the executive. But they don't make that clear in their report nor do they list the offending provisions. So I can give Rand a "pass" on this one without feeling like I'm giving him a "pass". Did not the South Korean trade agreement allow us to export meat to them ?

FrankRep
12-27-2011, 12:15 PM
Rand's only down mark is for voting for the South Korean Trade Agreement, and I don't quite follow the JBS reasoning here.

South Korea Trade Agreement

The measure (H.R. 3080) to implement the South Korea trade agreement and the significance of this and similar bilateral and multinational agreements are explained under House vote #17.

The Senate passed H.R. 3080 on October 12, 2011 by a vote of 83 to 15 (Roll Call 161). We have assigned pluses to the nays because agreements such as this one are intended to transfer trade (and other) powers to super-national arrangements, despite the fact that under the Constitution only Congress has the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations.”

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http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/07aJune/uskoreanflags-t.002.jpg




KORUS, the proposed free trade agreement with South Korea, is viewed by many as a threat to America's productivity and sovereignty.



Free Trade Agreement With South Korea Must Be Resisted (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/7799-free-trade-agreement-with-korea-must-be-resisted)


Daniel Sayani | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
09 June 2011


Yet another free trade agreement is in the works, as Congress debates the Republic of Korea-United States Free Trade Agreement (also known as KORUS FTA), which would, upon ratification, eliminate 95 percent of each nation's tariffs on goods within five years. It would also create new protections for multinational financial services and other firms who engage in bilateral commerce between the United States and South Korea. Unlike NAFTA, however, KORUS FTA is facing a front of stiff opposition from the new wave of Tea Party conservatives who warn of the possible risks and liabilities to our national sovereignty, economic prowess, and manufacturing capabilities posed by KORUS FTA.

Similar to other free trade agreements, KORUS FTA will have adverse consequences for American sovereignty, productivity, and employment rates. The KORUS FTA will export jobs and increase our trade deficit. While the American public is being promised by some that the KORUS FTA will create more American exports, in reality it will only export American jobs. According to the Economic Policy Institute’s estimates, in the first seven years, the agreement will cost as many as 159,000 American jobs and increase the trade deficit by $16.7 billion. Others have said it would create 70,000 jobs, albeit predominately low-paying jobs, with Americans working for foreign-owned companies at less than half what the lost jobs paid. Thus, KORUS will create an influx of in-sourcing, in which South Korean elites will exploit American legal protections unavailable to American industry in Korea. KORUS has terms that grant extreme rights for foreign investors within the U.S. that would allow them to play by very different rules. The scope of what can be challenged in the U.S. is extremely broad. This means that while South Korean companies will be able to come here and do practically whatever they like, American companies will not be able to do the same under Korea’s state run system. According to the Heritage Foundation’s Economic Freedom Index, South Korea ranks 35th in the world (out of 179 countries), making its economy considerably more statist than America’s. (Ironically, under President Roh Moo Hyun, South Korea has been increasingly slouching towards socialism, with the Chinese ambassador to Seoul remarking that South Korea is “more socialist than China.”)

As many have pointed out, South Korea is, in many aspects, a ungrateful ally. American beef and auto exports are strictly curtailed by the South Korean government. While its own car sales to the United States have soared, South Korea has not fully opened its auto market to American exports, raising the ire of economic nationalists and the United Auto Workers labor union alike. American beef imports have been blocked, under the guise of the canard of an overblown scare of mad cow disease in 2003, when in actuality, many South Koreans joined the protests because they felt the South Korean government of Lee Myung-bak has been too deferential to the United States. Yet, in spite of South Korean prosperity (compared to an ever-declining American economy) and protectionist sentiments, the United States is proceeding to enter into a one-sided trade agreement that gives Korean companies would have the right to sue the U.S. (i.e., American taxpayers) for lost profits, a grievous disadvantage signifying the triumph of internationalist corporatism.

Adding insult to injury, a weakened America continues to subsidize South Korea’s defense expenses, as the money saved by Koreans by having their defense subsidized by the United States is used by a government that has practiced export-driven corporatism since the 1960s. To make matters worse, as Chalmers Johnson points out on page 68 of The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic, "From the moment we turned Japan and South Korea into political satellites in the late 1940s, the United States has paid off client regimes, either directly or through rigged trade, to keep them docile and loyal." Thus, KORUS perpetuates the looting of the American taxpayer to defend government-regulated/managed trade — not free trade — and a failing cycle of military Keynesianism..

In addition, the defense against takeovers of American companies by South Korean syndicates and firms is greatly inhibited; foreign monopolies will have more power to take over entire U.S. industries, while South Korea will be able to in-source low wage jobs to its factories in the United States (a privilege American companies will not be able to exercise in South Korea). As foreign monopolies are allowed to take over American industries, any laws or regulations that would stop companies from becoming monopolies would be rendered null and void. With our open stock markets, not only will South Korean companies have access to buy us out with the money they stockpile from our balance of America‘s $11 Billion trade deficit with South Korea, but they will be able to buy whole industries —and we will be financially and legally helpless to stop them.

In addition, South Korea will still be able to use barriers to trade that the U.S. doesn’t have, such as special tax breaks and subsidies (ironically, South Korea levies a 10 percent protective value added tax on imports from the United States, while the United States gives them tax-free access to American markets). And, adding insult to injury, under KORUS FTA, South Korean firms that invest in the United States will have the option of circumventing local American trade courts to determine if their rights have been denied in favor of requesting third-party international arbitration, empowering sovereignty-compromising bodies such as the World Trade Organization and other internationalist bodies. These would especially include the World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID), which the United States has participated in since 1966, or arbitration would be submitted to a panel that would follow U.N. Commission on International Trade Law (UNCITRAL) arbitration rules, to which the United States agreed to in 1968. This process is already used for most U.S. free trade agree*ments in addition to America’s 40 bilateral investment treaties (BITs). Regardless of the specific mechanism utilized, American sovereignty is compromised in favor of global governance and regulation.

As a further sovereignty-compromising effect of KORUS FTA, Korea will gain unhindered liberties to circumvent U.S. law. Any law Korea sees as limiting a corporation’s profitability can be challenged. Even prevailing wage laws can be challenged, overstepping the ideals and principals of sovereignty found in our Constitution was founded on, as our leaders are consistently giving too much control of our country to foreign entities. (That federal minimum wage laws also defy the Constitution is another point.)

Thus, KORUS is yet another “free” trade agreement that will take away our right to do what is in the best interest of our country. The basis of all free trade agreements is to give foreigners unrestricted access to everything we have, eliminating duties and tariffs that protect our fledgling and older industries. Korea has only 48 million people — the U.S. has over 300 million. Under “free trade,” it would not be possible to have anything but a massive trade imbalance with this country. By selling to us below cost, they are, by design, forcing our companies to move out of the country, sell out, or go out of business — which has already been happening at an accelerated rate. KORUS will only hasten our demise, which one can only conclude is by design, as the Insiders (manifested as the WTO, World Bank, and multinational corporations) continue their steady and intentional march towards the defeat of the American Republic and the sacrifice of American economic strength and sovereignty on the high altar of internationalist “free” trade.


SOURCE:
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/7799-free-trade-agreement-with-korea-must-be-resisted

White Bear Lake
12-27-2011, 12:24 PM
My reps:

Congresswoman Bachmann: 86%
Senator Klobuchar: 10%
Senator Franken: 20%

Just in case one still thinks we'd be better off trying to work primarily with Democrats instead of through the GOP.

oyarde
12-27-2011, 12:25 PM
Interesting Frank , thanks .

oyarde
12-27-2011, 12:27 PM
My reps:

Congresswoman Bachmann: 86%
Senator Klobuchar: 10%
Senator Franken: 20%

Just in case one still thinks we'd be better off trying to work primarily with Democrats instead of through the GOP. I am kind of suprised Franken was so high . Yeah my 70% congressman is obviously not a dem...

Agorism
12-27-2011, 12:33 PM
Says Ron Paul 100%

jmdrake
12-27-2011, 12:40 PM
Interesting read. I'm still not sure where I fall on the whole "free trade/fair trade" scale. I know Ron Paul has supported free trade, but calls these deals "managed trade" and says free trade is just getting rid of tariffs as opposed to having international government bodies. It sounds like this is mostly a tariff lowering bill. Anyhow, I note that while Ron Paul didn't vote for or against this bill, he did lead something of an opposition campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x557097


South Korea Trade Agreement

The measure (H.R. 3080) to implement the South Korea trade agreement and the significance of this and similar bilateral and multinational agreements are explained under House vote #17.

The Senate passed H.R. 3080 on October 12, 2011 by a vote of 83 to 15 (Roll Call 161). We have assigned pluses to the nays because agreements such as this one are intended to transfer trade (and other) powers to super-national arrangements, despite the fact that under the Constitution only Congress has the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations.”

====

http://thenewamerican.com/images/stories2011/07aJune/uskoreanflags-t.002.jpg




KORUS, the proposed free trade agreement with South Korea, is viewed by many as a threat to America's productivity and sovereignty.



Free Trade Agreement With South Korea Must Be Resisted (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/7799-free-trade-agreement-with-korea-must-be-resisted)


Daniel Sayani | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
09 June 2011


Yet another free trade agreement is in the works, as Congress debates the Republic of Korea-United States Free Trade Agreement (also known as KORUS FTA), which would, upon ratification, eliminate 95 percent of each nation's tariffs on goods within five years. It would also create new protections for multinational financial services and other firms who engage in bilateral commerce between the United States and South Korea. Unlike NAFTA, however, KORUS FTA is facing a front of stiff opposition from the new wave of Tea Party conservatives who warn of the possible risks and liabilities to our national sovereignty, economic prowess, and manufacturing capabilities posed by KORUS FTA.

Similar to other free trade agreements, KORUS FTA will have adverse consequences for American sovereignty, productivity, and employment rates. The KORUS FTA will export jobs and increase our trade deficit. While the American public is being promised by some that the KORUS FTA will create more American exports, in reality it will only export American jobs. According to the Economic Policy Institute’s estimates, in the first seven years, the agreement will cost as many as 159,000 American jobs and increase the trade deficit by $16.7 billion. Others have said it would create 70,000 jobs, albeit predominately low-paying jobs, with Americans working for foreign-owned companies at less than half what the lost jobs paid. Thus, KORUS will create an influx of in-sourcing, in which South Korean elites will exploit American legal protections unavailable to American industry in Korea. KORUS has terms that grant extreme rights for foreign investors within the U.S. that would allow them to play by very different rules. The scope of what can be challenged in the U.S. is extremely broad. This means that while South Korean companies will be able to come here and do practically whatever they like, American companies will not be able to do the same under Korea’s state run system. According to the Heritage Foundation’s Economic Freedom Index, South Korea ranks 35th in the world (out of 179 countries), making its economy considerably more statist than America’s. (Ironically, under President Roh Moo Hyun, South Korea has been increasingly slouching towards socialism, with the Chinese ambassador to Seoul remarking that South Korea is “more socialist than China.”)

As many have pointed out, South Korea is, in many aspects, a ungrateful ally. American beef and auto exports are strictly curtailed by the South Korean government. While its own car sales to the United States have soared, South Korea has not fully opened its auto market to American exports, raising the ire of economic nationalists and the United Auto Workers labor union alike. American beef imports have been blocked, under the guise of the canard of an overblown scare of mad cow disease in 2003, when in actuality, many South Koreans joined the protests because they felt the South Korean government of Lee Myung-bak has been too deferential to the United States. Yet, in spite of South Korean prosperity (compared to an ever-declining American economy) and protectionist sentiments, the United States is proceeding to enter into a one-sided trade agreement that gives Korean companies would have the right to sue the U.S. (i.e., American taxpayers) for lost profits, a grievous disadvantage signifying the triumph of internationalist corporatism.

Adding insult to injury, a weakened America continues to subsidize South Korea’s defense expenses, as the money saved by Koreans by having their defense subsidized by the United States is used by a government that has practiced export-driven corporatism since the 1960s. To make matters worse, as Chalmers Johnson points out on page 68 of The Sorrows of Empire: Militarism, Secrecy, and the End of the Republic, "From the moment we turned Japan and South Korea into political satellites in the late 1940s, the United States has paid off client regimes, either directly or through rigged trade, to keep them docile and loyal." Thus, KORUS perpetuates the looting of the American taxpayer to defend government-regulated/managed trade — not free trade — and a failing cycle of military Keynesianism..

In addition, the defense against takeovers of American companies by South Korean syndicates and firms is greatly inhibited; foreign monopolies will have more power to take over entire U.S. industries, while South Korea will be able to in-source low wage jobs to its factories in the United States (a privilege American companies will not be able to exercise in South Korea). As foreign monopolies are allowed to take over American industries, any laws or regulations that would stop companies from becoming monopolies would be rendered null and void. With our open stock markets, not only will South Korean companies have access to buy us out with the money they stockpile from our balance of America‘s $11 Billion trade deficit with South Korea, but they will be able to buy whole industries —and we will be financially and legally helpless to stop them.

In addition, South Korea will still be able to use barriers to trade that the U.S. doesn’t have, such as special tax breaks and subsidies (ironically, South Korea levies a 10 percent protective value added tax on imports from the United States, while the United States gives them tax-free access to American markets). And, adding insult to injury, under KORUS FTA, South Korean firms that invest in the United States will have the option of circumventing local American trade courts to determine if their rights have been denied in favor of requesting third-party international arbitration, empowering sovereignty-compromising bodies such as the World Trade Organization and other internationalist bodies. These would especially include the World Bank’s International Centre for Settlement of Investment Disputes (ICSID), which the United States has participated in since 1966, or arbitration would be submitted to a panel that would follow U.N. Commission on International Trade Law (UNCITRAL) arbitration rules, to which the United States agreed to in 1968. This process is already used for most U.S. free trade agree*ments in addition to America’s 40 bilateral investment treaties (BITs). Regardless of the specific mechanism utilized, American sovereignty is compromised in favor of global governance and regulation.

As a further sovereignty-compromising effect of KORUS FTA, Korea will gain unhindered liberties to circumvent U.S. law. Any law Korea sees as limiting a corporation’s profitability can be challenged. Even prevailing wage laws can be challenged, overstepping the ideals and principals of sovereignty found in our Constitution was founded on, as our leaders are consistently giving too much control of our country to foreign entities. (That federal minimum wage laws also defy the Constitution is another point.)

Thus, KORUS is yet another “free” trade agreement that will take away our right to do what is in the best interest of our country. The basis of all free trade agreements is to give foreigners unrestricted access to everything we have, eliminating duties and tariffs that protect our fledgling and older industries. Korea has only 48 million people — the U.S. has over 300 million. Under “free trade,” it would not be possible to have anything but a massive trade imbalance with this country. By selling to us below cost, they are, by design, forcing our companies to move out of the country, sell out, or go out of business — which has already been happening at an accelerated rate. KORUS will only hasten our demise, which one can only conclude is by design, as the Insiders (manifested as the WTO, World Bank, and multinational corporations) continue their steady and intentional march towards the defeat of the American Republic and the sacrifice of American economic strength and sovereignty on the high altar of internationalist “free” trade.


SOURCE:
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/7799-free-trade-agreement-with-korea-must-be-resisted

jmdrake
12-27-2011, 12:43 PM
My reps:

Congresswoman Bachmann: 86%
Senator Klobuchar: 10%
Senator Franken: 20%

Just in case one still thinks we'd be better off trying to work primarily with Democrats instead of through the GOP.

I never met anyone here that thought that. That said, I'm sure you realize that the reason the GOP is so "high" on the freedom index is that because they are voting against Obama, and if McCain was president the GOP "freedom index" numbers would be much lower. And look at who Ron Paul worked for to fight the Korean Free Trade Agreement.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x557097

Ron Paul (R-TX) and Walter Jones (R-NC) wrote a letter to their colleagues urging opposition to KORUS, President Obama’s NAFTA-Style Korea Free Trade deal (PDF).

Paul and Jones join the AFL-CIO, the United Steelworkers, the Communication Workers, the Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth, US Chamber Watch and Public Citizen in urging defeat of the bill.

Senator Sherrod Brown, Rep. Mike Michaud and Rep. Linda Sanchez are also part of the transpartisan opposition to the bill. The Economic Policy Institute estimates that KORUS will cause 159,000 jobs to be shipped overseas

FrankRep
12-27-2011, 12:46 PM
Interesting read. I'm still not sure where I fall on the whole "free trade/fair trade" scale. I know Ron Paul has supported free trade, but calls these deals "managed trade" and says free trade is just getting rid of tariffs as opposed to having international government bodies.

http://static1.firedoglake.com/30/files/2010/12/RonPaul.jpg

Ron Paul, Walter Jones Write Letter Opposing Obama’s NAFTA-Style Korea Free Trade Deal (http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/12/09/ron-paul-walter-jones-write-letter-opposing-obamas-nafta-style-korea-free-trade-deal/)


Fire Dog Lake
December 9, 2010




Oppose the South Korea Free Trade Agreement

Dear Colleague:

Free trade theorists such as Adam Smith and David Ricardo must be rolling in their graves to see pacts like President Obama’s Korea Agreement called “free trade.” Like the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the pact, written by unelected trade bureaucrats, spans 1,000 pages.

It includes endless pages of rules and regulations enforced by foreign tribunals. This act is a sneaky form of international preemption, undermining the critical checks and balances and freedoms established by the U.S. Constitution’s reservation of many rights to the people or state governments.

And, President Obama’s Korea Agreement sets up foreign tribunals to which the United States mst submit for judgment. Foreign investors are allowed to skirt the U.S. court system to directly ue the U.S. government for trade pact violations before UN and World Bank tribunals. Those provisions enable demands by such forms for compensation in U.S. taxpayer funds for violations of the special foreign investor privileges the pact provides. There are nearly 80 Korean firms with more than 200 establishments set up in this country now that would acquire these new rights to raid our Treasury using foreign tribunals.

We urge you to oppose President Obama’s Korea Agreement.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul, Walter Jones

jmdrake
12-27-2011, 12:54 PM
Frank, why did you snip out this part of my response to you?

Anyhow, I note that while Ron Paul didn't vote for or against this bill, he did lead something of an opposition campaign.

http://www.democraticunderground.com...ess=433x557097


http://static1.firedoglake.com/30/files/2010/12/RonPaul.jpg

Ron Paul, Walter Jones Write Letter Opposing Obama’s NAFTA-Style Korea Free Trade Deal (http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2010/12/09/ron-paul-walter-jones-write-letter-opposing-obamas-nafta-style-korea-free-trade-deal/)


Fire Dog Lake
December 9, 2010




Oppose the South Korea Free Trade Agreement

Dear Colleague:

Free trade theorists such as Adam Smith and David Ricardo must be rolling in their graves to see pacts like President Obama’s Korea Agreement called “free trade.” Like the World Trade Organization (WTO) and the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), the pact, written by unelected trade bureaucrats, spans 1,000 pages.

It includes endless pages of rules and regulations enforced by foreign tribunals. This act is a sneaky form of international preemption, undermining the critical checks and balances and freedoms established by the U.S. Constitution’s reservation of many rights to the people or state governments.

And, President Obama’s Korea Agreement sets up foreign tribunals to which the United States mst submit for judgment. Foreign investors are allowed to skirt the U.S. court system to directly ue the U.S. government for trade pact violations before UN and World Bank tribunals. Those provisions enable demands by such forms for compensation in U.S. taxpayer funds for violations of the special foreign investor privileges the pact provides. There are nearly 80 Korean firms with more than 200 establishments set up in this country now that would acquire these new rights to raid our Treasury using foreign tribunals.

We urge you to oppose President Obama’s Korea Agreement.

Sincerely,

Ron Paul, Walter Jones

Brett85
12-27-2011, 01:17 PM
Rand's only down mark is for voting for the South Korean Trade Agreement, and I don't quite follow the JBS reasoning here. Yes I'm against things like the WTO, but bilateral trade agreements would seem to fall under congresses power to "regulate commerce with foreign nations". Maybe the JBS feels this particular agreement delegates too much power to the executive. But they don't make that clear in their report nor do they list the offending provisions. So I can give Rand a "pass" on this one without feeling like I'm giving him a "pass".

Yeah, Rand gets penalized for being opposed to tariffs.

FrankRep
12-27-2011, 01:21 PM
Yeah, Rand gets penalized for being opposed to tariffs.
I may need to remind everyone that Ron Paul also opposed the South Korean Trade Agreement.

Brett85
12-27-2011, 01:24 PM
I may need to remind everyone that Ron Paul also opposed the South Korean Trade Agreement.

Yeah, Ron and Rand have a disagreement on that issue. Rand supports bilateral trade agreements and opposes multilateral trade agreements like Nafta and Cafta. Ron opposes all trade agreements and simply wants to unilaterally lower tariffs. Rand seems to have a middle ground position that makes sense.

Agorism
12-27-2011, 01:37 PM
They need a fax machine to say we're disappointed in our congressmen.