16 Year Old School Girl Charged With Terrorism Conspiracy in Iowa [Archive]

Created4

12-25-2011, 09:43 AM

http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/12/24/16-year-old-girl-charged-with-terrorism-conspiracy/

Looks like thing such as school bullying or gang rivalry is now falling under the definition of "terrorism." This is in Iowa:

Ottumwa Courier reports:

OTTUMWA — An Ottumwa High School student has been charged with conspiracy to commit terrorism.

Police arrested Emily Kay Six, 16, Ottumwa, on Thursday. Officials said they began investigating after Six allegedly began trying to recruit students for what police called “a plan to harm a number of students.”

The charge is a Class D felony. Six was taken to a juvenile detention facility following her arrest.

Police Chief Jim Clark said Six’s plans were stopped before they could be acted upon. The investigation is ongoing, though, and Clark would not comment on whether others may have been aware of Six’s efforts.

Under the charge of terrorism, Emily faces:

-Extraordinary rendition into the hands of foreign governments where should could be legally tortured to give up information on her fellow conspirators.

-Indefinite detention without the right to a trial.

-Incarceration at a military installation, overseas or domestically, under military jurisdiction.

-Water boarding, sleep deprivation, deafening sounds, and other forms of “approved” torture at the hands of US authorities.

-Summary execution by presidential order.

-and other heinous violations of her civil rights.

While clearly I don’t think Emily will face any of these possible outcomes, what if Emily was a dark skinned 30 year old woman conspiring with men of similar ilk in a local temple? Does that somehow change the appropriate response of the State? If so, why?

The fact that the State is coming after a 16 year old with terrorism charges should frighten the day lights out of you. We can rest assured that such charges will become more common place as society devolves in to civil unrest caused by the implosion of the monetary system. The State could have charged her with conspiracy to commit murder, mayhem, assault, or any other personal type of crime that people commit against one another; yet they didn’t. They chose to come after her with terrorism charges because these are the most vague laws that provide the State with the most latitude in prosecuting her.

When it comes to putting people behind bars, the State always takes the path of least resistance.

Spikender

12-25-2011, 11:09 AM

MikeStanart

12-25-2011, 11:38 AM

My God... this is truly frightening. We all saw this coming from a mile away, but I actually didn't think that a terrorism charge would be thrown at a teenager, for Pete's sake. I suppose there's no level too low for the government to sink to.

I truly thought they would come after political dissenters first. AKA....us.

KCIndy

12-25-2011, 11:55 AM

Why so surprised?

Law Enforcement (and I use the term loosely) will happily grab ANY available tool which can be used to threaten and subjugate the general population.

We saw that with the enactment of the Patriot Act. We saw it with the end of Habeas Corpus. We saw it with the casual disregard with which Posse Comitatus was kicked to the curb by overeager police departments around the country. I could cite example after example.....

By the time enough people actually wake up to the nature of the problem, we are going to be so completely and thoroughly f*ck*d it will be too late to matter. :mad::mad:

Dr.3D

12-25-2011, 12:00 PM

So are they going to hide her away and keep her from trial till after the war on terrorism is over? In other words, forever?

KCIndy

12-25-2011, 12:11 PM

So are they going to hide her away and keep her from trial till after the war on terrorism is over? In other words, forever?

I'm guessing - *just* guessing - that the answer to your question will be no. To do that right now would create a lot of blowback for that particularly crappy little department, or the idiot DA who has levied the "terrorism" charges.

The point the article is making is that under the current rules for the "war" on terrorism, the girl COULD be treated that way, and she would have no legal recourse to prevent it.

My best guess: The DA will use all the threats the article mentioned to terrorize - and yes, I'm using this word deliberately here - terrorize the girl into a confession and a plea deal.

DA: "You know, honey, we could ship your sweet little ass off to Pakistan and let those folks take care of you, yes we could. We can do that legally now. They'll waterboard the truth out of you, toss you into a dark dungeon, and mommy and daddy will never hear from you again. Understand? WE CAN DO THAT TO YOU LEGALLY, IF WE WANT!!"

Terrorized girl: "OMG! I can't believe this is happening to me!"

Parents: "Emily, for God's sake, darling, take the deal he's offering you! We would rather see you serve 20 years in maximum security here in the U.S. than see you shipped to Pakistan!"

:mad::(:mad:

Anyone think I'm wrong? If anyone thinks I'm off base here, I would love to hear the reasoning why.

flightlesskiwi

12-25-2011, 12:14 PM

hmm... happening in Iowa of all places, eh?

very odd.

very odd indeed.

flightlesskiwi

12-25-2011, 12:19 PM

I truly thought they would come after political dissenters first. AKA....us.

soft targets first. to test the reaction of the people.

separate the wheat from the chaff (people who will stand against this from the people who remain silent and the people who outright support it) and create some chaos and line the sights...

then on those hard targets.

KCIndy

12-25-2011, 12:34 PM

Keep in mind, everyone, that these new so-called "terrorism" laws are a prosecutor's wet dream. The statutes are so vague and all encompassing, a DA can now "throw the book" at almost anyone and get something to stick, no matter how slight the actual evidence is.

I've done a bit more searching on this story, and from everything I can see, this whole thing was nothing more than a few bullied and picked-on students discussing on Facebook that they would like to do something nasty to their tormentors

I'm guessing that the DA couldn't find any real charges to file that had a snowball's chance in hell of sticking. So... out come the books with the new "anti-terrorism" statutes, and bingo! We go from no case at all to a BIG case - a case that will look like a Major Crimes conviction won by the Prosecutor's Office.

A few snippets from other news stories:

http://journalexpress.net/cnhi/x1818099005/OHS-student-charged-with-terrorism

Michael Six, Emily’s father, said the family does not agree with the police characterization of her as a potential terrorist. He described a shy girl who enjoys church and hopes to become a veterinarian.

“If I did any volunteering anywhere, she would go with me,” he said.

Michael said there are five other students whom police investigated in the case and he believes Emily is being used by those students as a scapegoat. He characterized Emily as a follower, rather than an instigator.

Michael reviewed Emily’s Facebook page and her chats on it and what he read does not suggest she wanted to harm others. She was bullied, he said, but was not planning to hurt her fellow students.

“Out of everything that has been found so far, I’m not finding the stuff the police have found,” he said. “A lot of things aren’t adding up.”

And a great point made by a local columnist:
http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-chicago/iowa-teen-described-as-shy-girl-faces-terrorism-charges

According to Iowa State law, "Conspiracy to Commit Terrorism" is a violation of Chapter 706.1/708.1(3), a Class 'D' Felony.

Federal laws enacted after 9/1, included the U.S Department of Homeland Security naming the FBI as the lead agency in all suspected acts of domestic terrorism until there is evidence to prove otherwise. There is no mention of the FBI's involvement in the Iowa teen's case.

A man who was arrested on terrorism-related charges last month in New York City did not involve the FBI either. The law was established to take the guess work out of who is in charge should terrorists strike again, a 'lesson-learned' from the chaos which followed the September 11, 2001 terrorist attack.

Either the FBI is the lead or it isn't. If not, who is?

Anti Federalist

12-25-2011, 12:35 PM

See Something Say Something.

This is going to get much worse before it gets better.

Anti Federalist

12-25-2011, 12:39 PM

Michael said there are five other students whom police investigated in the case and he believes Emily is being used by those students as a scapegoat. He characterized Emily as a follower, rather than an instigator.

And that is how everybody will turned into snitches and be at each others throats including friends and family.

Time for all of us mundanes to start taking vows of omertà.

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without police protection is both. It is as cowardly to betray an offender to justice, even though his offences be against yourself, as it is not to avenge an injury by violence. It is dastardly and contemptible in a wounded man to betray the name of his assailant, because if he recovers, he must naturally expect to take vengeance himself."

Dr.3D

12-25-2011, 12:41 PM

And that is how everybody will turned into snitches and be at each others throats including friends and family.

Time for all of us mundanes to start taking vows of omertà.

Just wait till they start giving people money to turn other people in. That's when things will really heat up.

Anti Federalist

12-25-2011, 12:42 PM

Just wait till they start giving people money to turn other people in. That's when things will really heat up.

They already do, all across the country.

Peace&Freedom

12-25-2011, 01:01 PM

kah13176

12-25-2011, 01:17 PM

There's a fundamental difference between murder and terrorism. At least there once was. We've blurred the lines between the definitions, and now a run-of-the-mill school shooting (murder) for example is now terrorism.

Steve-in-NY

12-25-2011, 01:22 PM

I'm waiting to hear about journalistic terrorists.

Philhelm

12-25-2011, 08:40 PM

I don't think it will stick at this particular point, but it's disconcerting that the attempt is being made. It will succeed eventually though. I'm almost amazed at how quickly things are moving.

Pericles

12-25-2011, 08:45 PM

And that is how everybody will turned into snitches and be at each others throats including friends and family.

Time for all of us mundanes to start taking vows of omertà.

"Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without police protection is both. It is as cowardly to betray an offender to justice, even though his offences be against yourself, as it is not to avenge an injury by violence. It is dastardly and contemptible in a wounded man to betray the name of his assailant, because if he recovers, he must naturally expect to take vengeance himself."

That - just like in east Germany

123tim

12-26-2011, 06:42 AM

soft targets first. to test the reaction of the people.

separate the wheat from the chaff (people who will stand against this from the people who remain silent and the people who outright support it) and create some chaos and line the sights...

then on those hard targets.

You hit the nail on the head with that one.^^^

Something that I was wondering about this article....

Did something change that allows the media to publish the names of minors? This is the first time (to my recollection) that I've seen the full name and photo of a minor published in this way.

Forty Twice

12-26-2011, 07:50 AM

Hopefully the DA actually makes these threats so this case can get media attention before too many primaries pass. If the public wakes up to the ramifications of NDAA. It can then be reversed by electing RP and others like him.

A liberty-loving DA would be smart to quickly expose NDAA for what it really is by sending an accused to another country for torture. Hopefully he would be humane about
it and not actually carry out torture. Just show that it can be done to make the point. Hopefully this DA would arrange to conduct this on an accused who has means to
litigate to the US Supreme Court.

Rothbardian Girl

12-26-2011, 08:34 AM

I thought she might have been a Ron Paul supporter at first.

Pericles

12-26-2011, 10:08 AM

pcosmar

12-26-2011, 10:21 AM

A bit more on it here.
http://www.heartlandconnection.com/news/story.aspx?id=700503#.TvidZYQxiOM

Comments from her father and others in the area.

LibForestPaul

12-26-2011, 12:46 PM

Is the father posting on this site? Could someone w/ facebook account let him know...1 no talking 2 lawyer 3 child no talking

Tod

12-26-2011, 01:05 PM

Davy Crockett

12-26-2011, 01:14 PM

This is a terrorist? They have lost their minds.

http://ottumwacourier.com/archive/x1750827600/g0002580d009e1c91de0437b7d37335a0355b740f2e2672f34 8521620e7.jpg

coastie

12-26-2011, 01:41 PM

Is the father posting on this site? Could someone w/ facebook account let him know...1 no talking 2 lawyer 3 child no talking

And, judging from the reactions of numerous people on the linked article-everything is going to the government's plans...

I would never wish harm on any of those people, but the evil side of me sometimes wishes all those who approve of this because it makes them feel safe would get there doors kicked in and kidnapped by the .gov in the middle of the night. Hopefully, on camera, because the WTF look on their faces would be priceless.

Davy Crockett

12-26-2011, 01:51 PM

Perfect photo opportunity for Ron Paul in Iowa to help these poor parents get their daughter back home and drive home his point on terrorism laws in America today.

From another article:

Family members have a very different view.

Michael Six, Emily’s father, said the family does not agree with the police characterization of her as a potential terrorist. He described a shy girl who enjoys church and hopes to become a veterinarian.

“If I did any volunteering anywhere, she would go with me,” he said.

Michael said there are five other students whom police investigated in the case and he believes Emily is being used by those students as a scapegoat. He characterized Emily as a follower, rather than an instigator.

Michael reviewed Emily’s Facebook page and her chats on it and what he read does not suggest she wanted to harm others. She was bullied, he said, but was not planning to hurt her fellow students.

“Out of everything that has been found so far, I’m not finding the stuff the police have found,” he said. “A lot of things aren’t adding up.”

Ottumwa Superintendent Davis Eidahl said the district and the police are cooperating closely.

Eidahl said he believes the discussions at the high school were “at the very early conversational stage.” But he did not rule out additional students being involved and said others were asked to participate. The district and police interviewed a number of students in their investigations and Eidahl said other students’ names did come up in the course of those discussions.

“Based on some of those interviews we will look at the depth … and possibility of how involved other students were in those conversations,” he said.

Eidahl emphasized that the threats against the school and students came to light because of the students themselves.

Mach

12-26-2011, 05:02 PM

Perfect photo opportunity for Ron Paul in Iowa to help these poor parents get their daughter back home and drive home his point on terrorism laws in America today.

Good call, he would win Iowa for sure and it would be a good wake up call to the whole country.

Lot's of people would be in shock, and rightfully so, but...... it would be a good "slap in the face."

Davy Crockett

12-26-2011, 05:38 PM

Mach, I flagged this news story last March from the Washington Times:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2011/mar/18/doj-white-male-bullying-victims-tough-luck/

Last week, President Barack Obama addressed an anti-bullying conference with First Lady Michelle Obama at his side. The administration's anti-bullying campaign has been ongoing since the beginning of Mr. Obama's term. The Department of Justice announced in December 2010 its intention to hold liable school districts that fail to protect students that are bullied.

The Justice Department’s anti-bullying initiative is tantamount to bringing hate crime legislation to the public school system. Obviously, not only is the heterosexual white male student out of luck but inner city minority students lose out in this deal too.

If a schoolyard bully is a straight black male and his target is another straight black male where does that leave the victim in the eyes of Attorney General Eric Holder? What about two female students of the same sexual orientation and race? Is the victim in the latter situation considered to be less equal in the eyes of Obama’s Justice Department than a minority student who is picked on by a heterosexual white male student with no disabilities?

Unfortunately, the Justice Department is politicizing its priorities yet again. One must wonder why the administration believes it should be micro managing local school districts' bullying problems. When the Justice Department is more interested in making ideological statements through seemingly sugar coated campaigns, no one should feel protected.

The root of the problem is the Obama administration using the Justice Department to force school administrators to over react.

Pericles

12-26-2011, 06:59 PM

And, judging from the reactions of numerous people on the linked article-everything is going to the government's plans...

I would never wish harm on any of those people, but the evil side of me sometimes wishes all those who approve of this because it makes them feel safe would get there doors kicked in and kidnapped by the .gov in the middle of the night. Hopefully, on camera, because the WTF look on their faces would be priceless.

With audio for the "I didn't do anything!" scream. Yes, they did do something - they stood by while someone thought this was a good idea.

dillo

12-26-2011, 08:54 PM

I truly thought they would come after political dissenters first. AKA....us.

test subject

Carson

12-26-2011, 09:12 PM

Came here to see if this was another case of someone eating their pizza into the shape of a gun.

Actual article:

http://www.wkrn.com/story/16325409/gun-shaped-pizza-slice

Fark comments:

http://www.fark.com/comments/6831903/Proving-its-actually-possible-to-have-an-IQ-below-zero-school-officials-discipline-a-student-for-taking-bites-from-a-pizza-slice-until-it-was-shaped-like-a-gun

Carson

12-26-2011, 09:16 PM

Watch out Flashmobbers!

heavenlyboy34

12-26-2011, 09:27 PM

Shit like this makes me glad I don't have kids right now. It's a living nightmare just for me-I couldn't imagine how awful it would be for a kid. :(

heavenlyboy34

12-26-2011, 09:38 PM

See Something Say Something.

This is going to get much worse before it gets better.
That's still fucking creepy every time I hear it/see it. Invokes memories of what I've read of Secret Police in fascist/communist regimes. Cheka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka), anyone? :eek:

btw: here's "see something, say something" in Russian- Что-то видеть, что-то скажи.

Carehn

12-26-2011, 10:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSLlZh9yelk

Anti Federalist

12-26-2011, 10:52 PM

That's still fucking creepy every time I hear it/see it. Invokes memories of what I've read of Secret Police in fascist/communist regimes. Cheka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheka), anyone? :eek:

btw: here's "see something, say something" in Russian- Что-то видеть, что-то скажи.

Just putting it Cyrillic is creepy by itself.

Can you "westernize" that for me?

sailingaway

12-27-2011, 01:17 AM

I'm guessing - *just* guessing - that the answer to your question will be no. To do that right now would create a lot of blowback for that particularly crappy little department, or the idiot DA who has levied the "terrorism" charges.

The point the article is making is that under the current rules for the "war" on terrorism, the girl COULD be treated that way, and she would have no legal recourse to prevent it.

My best guess: The DA will use all the threats the article mentioned to terrorize - and yes, I'm using this word deliberately here - terrorize the girl into a confession and a plea deal.

DA: "You know, honey, we could ship your sweet little ass off to Pakistan and let those folks take care of you, yes we could. We can do that legally now. They'll waterboard the truth out of you, toss you into a dark dungeon, and mommy and daddy will never hear from you again. Understand? WE CAN DO THAT TO YOU LEGALLY, IF WE WANT!!"

Terrorized girl: "OMG! I can't believe this is happening to me!"

Parents: "Emily, for God's sake, darling, take the deal he's offering you! We would rather see you serve 20 years in maximum security here in the U.S. than see you shipped to Pakistan!"

:mad::(:mad:

Anyone think I'm wrong? If anyone thinks I'm off base here, I would love to hear the reasoning why.

the problem with all these unconstitutional 'short cuts' through due process is they are much easier than doing the grunt work to establish probable cause. It gives police incentive to call people terrorists just so they can use the short cuts.

Razmear

12-27-2011, 03:25 AM

http://www.examiner.com/homeland-security-in-chicago/is-charge-of-iowa-teen-with-terrorism-and-conspiracy-excessive

more here with other examples of kids being charged with terrorism.

aGameOfThrones

12-27-2011, 03:35 AM

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. " C.S. Lewis.

Hospitaller

12-27-2011, 04:43 AM

I truly thought they would come after political dissenters first. AKA....us.

Dont dare say we are political dissenters, even jokingly.

The_Ruffneck

12-27-2011, 04:59 AM

I imagine this will be used to chuck any anti-NWO militia groups in jail whilst they are still in the formation stage.That must have been on of their goals when they laid out the legislation.

row333au

12-27-2011, 06:26 AM

This is one way of testing the waters..... since the complete military junta of the US government is not yet implemented, such actions as this will lead in perfecting the overall civilians, the military and police employees to accept (or give them impression that it is already a passed law) in order to ignore any challenges. People must protest and challenge the 'Indefinite Detention Bill' and make it very public to make people aware of the implication of the law being aggressively pass.

Davy Crockett

12-27-2011, 05:10 PM

Good call, he would win Iowa for sure and it would be a good wake up call to the whole country.

Lot's of people would be in shock, and rightfully so, but...... it would be a good "slap in the face."

Rick Perry was just in Ottumwa and had nothing to say about Emily Six. Ron Paul can, in one act of kindness, blow away the MSM created images of him. This case is a no brainer. Look at what Evelyn's father posted an hour ago:

http://www.heartlandconnection.com/news/story.aspx?list=194787&id=700503#.TvpNEtRQ6bw

Micheal Six is Emily's father, he just posted on the news article page again.

Rita Bradley · Top Commenter · Works at Helping My People
Please tell your side of the story Michael.
Reply · 3 · Like · 20 hours ago

Michael Six · Ottumwa High School
Rita Bradley I would love to post the names of the other kids and some facts that are being withheld from the public. I think the town would have a field day knowing what knowledge is being with held from them. Laywers say not to say anything on what is known right now and more is being found out. I have been asked not to post anything yet in here or on my facebook. I am upset about what is going on. If you look at my daughters past you will see she has never been in trouble with the law before and helped out with volunteer work. If anyone remembers I was the guy dressed as Santa handing out food baskets at the salvation army and my daughter was there helping me. And during the time this town had floods I was out there handing out food and water to the workers that where sand bagging and so was my daughter. If my daughter had money on her she would use her money to make others happy. She would take friends out to eat or if she seen a kid at one of those little toy machines she would get the toy for the kid. We as a family do not have very much in life but I did teach my daughter one lesson in life and that was to be kind and nice to others even if you have little for yourself in life.
Reply · Like · about an hour ago

Michael Six · Ottumwa High School
Rita Bradley This year me and my daughter where not at the salvation army because of things that have been going on. But my daughter did want to wish everyone a happy and joyful holiday and hopes that the food got to those that needed it in the community. I visited her at the detention center and she was more concerned about people having the food from the salvation army. She says she is sorry she was not there to help hand out the food this year but hopes she will be back be hand it out for people next year.
Reply · Like · 44 minutes ago

Anti Federalist

12-27-2011, 05:33 PM

Dont dare say we are political dissenters, even jokingly.

This whole board is a thoughtcrime in progress.

Philhelm

12-28-2011, 12:26 AM

This whole board is a thoughtcrime in progress.

That's what keeps me coming.

Pericles

12-28-2011, 12:30 AM

Dont dare say we are political dissenters, even jokingly.

can I mention these?

http://i623.photobucket.com/albums/tt317/Pericles-photo/pile.jpg

flightlesskiwi

12-28-2011, 10:15 AM

had a conversation about this last night and read through the comments here:

http://www.heartlandconnection.com/news/photos.aspx?id=700503#.Tvs-Y1aIrls

this morning.

if her father is telling the truth, she is a special education student. that adds a LOT to the story from my experience. at my hell school, most of the special ed kids were considered outcasts, rejects and provoke-able. from an administration standpoint, they were dealt with a lot more harshly than say, the star football player.

use the special ed kid as an example... her parents are poverty ridden, she's an outcast, not many will care, very few will care enough to say something. and those that do will turn it into a racial thing, failing to miss the bigger picture (<--read the comments).

like i said in my previous post, i get the sense that this girl is being used as a political tool. in a way that's much bigger than the local and state level.

just like the meaning of "liberal" in politics has been changed--- we are witnessing, right before our very eyes, the legal definition of "terrorism" be redefined to mean something completely different, to fall in line with the paradigm shift of amerikan society.

i don't think we are on the precipice anymore. i think we are already falling, we just haven't realized it completely because the view up here is nice.

Davy Crockett

12-28-2011, 01:06 PM

use the special ed kid as an example... her parents are poverty ridden, she's an outcast, not many will care, very few will care enough to say something. and those that do will turn it into a racial thing, failing to miss the bigger picture (<--read the comments).

Actually, it is you who is failing to see the bigger picture. In America today, there is institutional racism going on, only this time, it is the White kids who are suffering. The media will play on our TV sets the occasional Middle Eastern who gets charged with terrorism, but in reality, the vast majority of kids getting charged with terrorism, that never get the media's attention, are White kids.

If you can read between the lines in the comment section, Emily friends and family are trying to tell us that Emily was set up by black kids in school, and that in the past, at this same school, when the black kids pull knives on White students, the same administration will say, 'ah sucks, he didn't mean it'.

It is time for us to put aside the "racist" boogeyman and start looking at the double standards that is going on all around us.

flightlesskiwi

12-28-2011, 03:35 PM

Actually, it is you who is failing to see the bigger picture. In America today, there is institutional racism going on, only this time, it is the White kids who are suffering. The media will play on our TV sets the occasional Middle Eastern who gets charged with terrorism, but in reality, the vast majority of kids getting charged with terrorism, that never get the media's attention, are White kids.

If you can read between the lines in the comment section, Emily friends and family are trying to tell us that Emily was set up by black kids in school, and that in the past, at this same school, when the black kids pull knives on White students, the same administration will say, 'ah sucks, he didn't mean it'.

It is time for us to put aside the "racist" boogeyman and start looking at the double standards that is going on all around us.

you think i'm new to this scene?

skin color plays a huge part in the function of universal power because our overlords in The State love to use that as a way to create chaos and warfare.

it is The State vs. the mundane. it's the overwhelming and undeniable Control of The State vs. the liberty of the mundane individual. no matter the skin color of either. divide and conquer is the strategy.

skin color and economic class are two easy ways to usurp liberty and pit people against one another, it's a favored tactic of TPTB. that's the bigger picture.

until people start waking up and seeing that picture, well, enjoy the view as we fall.

edit (hat tip to Emerick):
The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence, not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

More importantly, in a free society every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Rather than looking to government to correct our sins, we should understand that racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty. -- Ron Paul http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul381.html

Pericles

12-28-2011, 04:27 PM

I get the impression that SPED kids are easy targets in the public fool system. Just another reason (not that any more are needed) to keeps the children you love out of there.

centure7

12-28-2011, 04:38 PM

My God... this is truly frightening. We all saw this coming from a mile away, but I actually didn't think that a terrorism charge would be thrown at a teenager, for Pete's sake. I suppose there's no level too low for the government to sink to.

They've already murdered a teenager in cold blood on loose suspicions of terrorism. This is nothing compared to that.

heavenlyboy34

12-28-2011, 04:48 PM

Just putting it Cyrillic is creepy by itself.

Can you "westernize" that for me?
Okay. I'll do my best. "shto-to vEEdyet, shto-to skAhzhee" [the o's in this phrase are short, like the o in "low"]. (the comma indicates clause separation, not a pause as in English) *I used capital letters to indicate vowel stress. **the "a" sounds like the aw in "paw".

heavenlyboy34

12-28-2011, 04:51 PM

This whole board is a thoughtcrime in progress.
I'm putting that in my sig^^. It's just that good. :cool:

Philhelm

12-28-2011, 06:18 PM

Okay. I'll do my best. "shto-to vEEdyet, shto-to skAhzhee" [the o's in this phrase are short, like the o in "low"]. (the comma indicates clause separation, not a pause as in English) *I used capital letters to indicate vowel stress. **the "a" sounds like the aw in "paw".

You know Russian? Reported.

Anti Federalist

12-28-2011, 06:30 PM

heavenlyboy34

12-28-2011, 06:33 PM

You know Russian? Reported.
Да, я говорит по-русский. :cool: I am a proud and prolific Thought Criminal.

heavenlyboy34

12-28-2011, 06:33 PM

Epic.

Thanks brother.

I'm memorizing that.
Пожадуйста большой! (you're very welcome!) Thanks for the +rep, bro. :cool: Happy to be of service.

heavenlyboy34

12-28-2011, 07:01 PM

Epic.

Thanks brother.

I'm memorizing that.
update: I found recordings of russian words on masterrussian.com. Here's (http://masterrussian.com/vocabulary/chto.htm) how to pronounce что, here's (http://masterrussian.com/vocabulary/no_but.htm)how to pronounce но (just use a "t" sound instead of the "n" sound to get то) Here's (http://masterrussian.com/vocabulary/videt.htm) how to pronounce видеть here's (http://masterrussian.com/vocabulary/chto.htm) how to say скажи (scroll down to the fourth example)

Davy Crockett

12-28-2011, 07:39 PM

you think i'm new to this scene?

Yes.

The word "racism" is relatively new and one will not find the word in a dictionary prior to the 1930s. The correct word is racialism, pride in one's race. Blacks can have pride in their race, the Hispanics and Asians, theirs. But if a White person should have pride in his or her heritage and desire to stay among his or her own, well, that's racism now.

I do not hate anyone, I just prefer to live among my own people. You talk about liberty and freedom, where is my freedom to pick and choose who I wish to associate with? And if I choose to only associate with Whites, who are you to pass judgement on me? Am I stopping you from associating with others from other races? If you want the truth, I could not care less, it is your choice. But when it comes to a White person like me who chooses to only associate with my kind, then people like you throw knee jerk words like, "collectivists", "racist", etc.

Let me ask you, isn't forcing someone to embrace diversity a form of collectivism?

flightlesskiwi

12-29-2011, 11:48 AM

Yes.

The word "racism" is relatively new and one will not find the word in a dictionary prior to the 1930s. The correct word is racialism, pride in one's race. Blacks can have pride in their race, the Hispanics and Asians, theirs. But if a White person should have pride in his or her heritage and desire to stay among his or her own, well, that's racism now.

I do not hate anyone, I just prefer to live among my own people. You talk about liberty and freedom, where is my freedom to pick and choose who I wish to associate with? And if I choose to only associate with Whites, who are you to pass judgement on me? Am I stopping you from associating with others from other races? If you want the truth, I could not care less, it is your choice. But when it comes to a White person like me who chooses to only associate with my kind, then people like you throw knee jerk words like, "collectivists", "racist", etc.

Let me ask you, isn't forcing someone to embrace diversity a form of collectivism?

if you are referring specifically to me with your "you", whatever.

personally, i adhere to the Non-Aggression Principle and could care less with whom you chose to associate as long as you don't commit aggression or use force or attempt to provoke the use of the force of the State towards me.

this is what i read in the comments:

"x doesn't get treated like y because y is _____." unfair and a double standard. both wrong. thing is, unfair and double standard will always be with us.

individual liberty (which includes freedom of choice and association)... not so much. and individual liberty is the only cure for such things.

specifically... turning this issue of this 16 year old into an issue solely based on race is short sighted. skin color is the quick and easy way of taking the focus off of liberty and putting it on... well, race.

my disapproval of this issue doesn't rest solely on black people provoking this white girl and the white girl getting arrested for it. if you think i agree with the double standard, then, well, let me just say plainly: i do not.

my deep and loathing disapproval comes from The State's definition of "terrorist" and "terrorism" becoming so sweeping that the Bill of Rights and Constitutional protection of due process afforded us all are null and void.

but, no... let's just keep this about a black v. white v. yellow v. brown v. red thing.

sadly, many in america will never go deeper than issues like skin color and social class to rally to each other's cause in the issue of The State vs. the mundane.

even if i don't like you, even if i've been treated unfairly because of you and i consider you my mortal enemy. if i sit back and watch or even provoke The State to strip your rights from you, it won't be long until my enemy watches The State do the same to me. and so on and so forth.

The State will win. every time.

so, again. i could care less about your choice. i could care less about your skin color. i could care less about your associations. what i DO care about is your Constitutionally-protected God-given right to choose.