Whoopi Goldberg: Communism a 'Great Concept' That 'Makes Perfect Sense'

[FrankRep]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXvwDsoQ42I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXvwDsoQ42I



Whoopi Goldberg Calls Communism a ‘Great Concept’ That ‘Makes Perfect Sense’ (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/whoopi-goldberg-calls-communism-a-great-concept-that-makes-perfect-sense/)


December 20, 2011



Whoopi Goldberg declared on “The View” Tuesday that communism is “a great concept” that “makes perfect sense.”

Her comments came during a discussion with her fellow hosts about the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il, after establishing that his son and successor, Kim Jong Un, had been educated in Switzerland.

“If you say that this is how our culture is and then you send your child to a Swiss boarding school — you know, this is what happens with communism. It’s a great concept. On paper it makes perfect sense. But once you put a human being in power, it shifts. We saw it in Russia, we’ve seen it all around the world. It’s nuts. But, I keep my fingers crossed.”

“We wish them well in North Korea, ” Joy Behar said.

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- Hollywood Party: How Communism Seduced the American Film Industry in the 1930s and 1940s (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0761521666?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0761521666)

- Communism in Hollywood: The Moral Paradoxes of Testimony, Silence, and Betrayal (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0810869489?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0810869489)

- Red Star Over Hollywood: The Film Colony's Long Romance with the Left (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1594031460/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1594031460)

[tasteless]

Oh that Whoopi, always telling jokes.

[Nic]

Out of context. She's an idiot, but I don't think she's a communist.

[Don Lapre]

Communism makes perfect sense if you're a young child - or if you have the mind of a young child.

If you're an adult and you have even a very moderate ability to think things through, you recognize that the communism concept is a very big *FAIL*.


That big toad sitting there ---> has lost her mind.

[Revolution9]

I despised that frumpy old cow since she was on STTNG and was a frakkin' earth mother barmaid who solved intergalactic diplomacy and martial affairs with a mixed drink and smarmy advice.

Rev9

[revgen]

She's right. Communism only makes sense if we we're all robots and do exactly what we are programmed to do. Human beings aren't robots. We have something called "self-interest". Trying to implement a socio-economic model that that doesn't adequately take into account self-interest is a failed policy.

Capitalism also has it's faults, but it's the only economic model that most adequately addresses the fact that human beings think for themselves.

[FrankRep]

Out of context. She's an idiot, but I don't think she's a communist.

This is not out of context.

Here's the quote:



“If you say that this is how our culture is and then you send your child to a Swiss boarding school — you know, this is what happens with communism. It’s a great concept. On paper it makes perfect sense. But once you put a human being in power, it shifts. We saw it in Russia, we’ve seen it all around the world. It’s nuts. But, I keep my fingers crossed.”


Whoopi Goldberg likes Communism, but the human condition is the problem. Stalin thought the "human condition" was the problem too and created Communist re-education camps to fix the human condition.


Whoopi Goldberg is a Progressive, which is Communism's younger brother, and Progressives slowly taking this country towards complete government control.

[Spikender]

“If you say that this is how our culture is and then you send your child to a Swiss boarding school — you know, this is what happens with communism. It’s a great concept. On paper it makes perfect sense. But once you put a human being in power, it shifts. We saw it in Russia, we’ve seen it all around the world. It’s nuts. But, I keep my fingers crossed.”

I suppose Whoopi would finally be happy if we had a Communist society run by Hal 9000.

[Chester Copperpot]

Out of context. She's an idiot, but I don't think she's a communist.

+1

[FrankRep]

“If you say that this is how our culture is and then you send your child to a Swiss boarding school — you know, this is what happens with communism. It’s a great concept. On paper it makes perfect sense. But once you put a human being in power, it shifts. We saw it in Russia, we’ve seen it all around the world. It’s nuts. But, I keep my fingers crossed.”

I suppose Whoopi would finally be happy if we had a Communist society run by Hal 9000.

Stalin's Communist re-education camps tried to fix the "human condition."

[brushfire]

No other form of government has claimed more lives. Congratulations Whoopi - you're a fool.

[Spikender]

Stalin's Communist re-education camps tried to fix the "human condition."

Yes, I know. Stalin was trying to turn his people into little Communist robots, devoid of anything that resembles humanity. If that's what Communism is all about, then count me out; I'd rather stay free and retain my humanity than live in a perfect society where everyone is equal but are mindless Communist drones, their humanity sucked out of them by the government.

[Elwar]

I find it easier to hold an intelligent conversation with someone who supports communism than anywhere between here and there.

At least they have an understanding of principles and are pushing for an ideal as opposed to short term compromises.

Communists believe that humans can evolve past greed to reach this world where everyone works different amounts for the same reward. Like Whoopi says, nice on paper, just never works out in reality.

Communists are in many ways the same as religious fundamentalists who seek to reach the point where man follows this high moral code. They are constantly fighting human nature. "If only we could end these perversions, everything would be just fine." "If only people weren't greedy we would live in a better world.".

Liberty allows human nature to thrive and promote prosperity at the same time.

[cindy25]

Michele Bachmann believes in communism also (a Kibbutz is a communist system, in its purest form)

[Wesker1982]

It isn't even a good idea "in theory"

http://mises.org/econcalc.asp

THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF ECONOMIC CALCULATION UNDER SOCIALISM (http://mises.org/humanaction/chap26sec1.asp)

[Spikender]

I find it easier to hold an intelligent conversation with someone who supports communism than anywhere between here and there.

At least they have an understanding of principles and are pushing for an ideal as opposed to short term compromises.

Communists believe that humans can evolve past greed to reach this world where everyone works different amounts for the same reward. Like Whoopi says, nice on paper, just never works out in reality.

Communists are in many ways the same as religious fundamentalists who seek to reach the point where man follows this high moral code. They are constantly fighting human nature. "If only we could end these perversions, everything would be just fine." "If only people weren't greedy we would live in a better world.".

Liberty allows human nature to thrive and promote prosperity at the same time.

The difference is that most religious fundamentalists, at least the ones that follow their religion correctly, don't seek out to subjugate people and instead live by those high moral codes themselves. I'm not speaking about those who call themselves one thing, such as calling oneself a Christian, but then do another, such as bomb people who are of a different religion. That is hypocrisy; one who is a Christian is supposed to be peace loving and not try to forcefully convert others. Religions are, more than anything else, a personal thing. One can believe any sort of religion they want to, and they can live by that religion without forcing anyone else to. Living a Christian life only requires the individual to make that choice, and the people around them don't have to change their lifestyle at all.

Communism, on the other hand, is a governmental system. If one believes in Communism, then the only way to get Communism implemented peacefully is to have everyone agree to the system. One cannot abide by a Communist lifestyle in a Capitalist society. It makes no sense, just as one cannot practice Capitalism in a Communist society. In order to implement Communism so that the Communist may live by it, he will have to force everyone else to also accept and live under Communism.

You say that Communists want a humanity without greed, but, in the end, Communists themselves are greedy. They don't want anyone to strive for anything higher than anyone else; they want everyone to be equal so that no one can reach for anything more than what the government sets their goal posts up to be. They want to strip away humanity from people and replace it with a mindless, drone-like personality that serves no one but the state and will toil constantly for no rewards or recognition. Rich or powerful Communists usually think that they'll be the ones calling the shots in a Communist society. Your everyday person who is a Communist fears the power of Capitalism and thinks that they'll be taken advantage of by companies, and believes that government ownership, although they call it "public" ownership, is the only way to avoid this.

This line of thinking leaves out two things: innovation and government corruption. What is the point of innovating, coming up with new ideas, or inventing new things to improve life if it's public property as soon as you develop it? You don't get any rewards for doing so; instead, it becomes public property, or, in reality, government property, to do with as they see fit. If you own a business, it's not really your business, it's public property. Government corruption also plays a role, as the government will seek to destroy any dissent among the population and government bureaucrats will enjoy an extravagant lifestyle, filled with champagne, penthouses, and riches, while the average citizen enjoys a life of bland servitude to their government masters. Why is this? Because, while the government crushed the humanity out of the people, the government employees still retain theirs, and all the greed and corruption that comes with it.

Communists have not thought through their favored governmental system. At all.

[oyarde]

Take her weapons and throw her in the gulag , then check back with her .....

[Elwar]

The difference is that most religious fundamentalists, at least the ones that follow their religion correctly, don't seek out to subjugate people and instead live by those high moral codes themselves. I'm not speaking about those who call themselves one thing, such as calling oneself a Christian, but then do another, such as bomb people who are of a different religion. That is hypocrisy; one who is a Christian is supposed to be peace loving and not try to forcefully convert others. Religions are, more than anything else, a personal thing. One can believe any sort of religion they want to, and they can live by that religion without forcing anyone else to. Living a Christian life only requires the individual to make that choice, and the people around them don't have to change their lifestyle at all.

Communism, on the other hand, is a governmental system. If one believes in Communism, then the only way to get Communism implemented peacefully is to have everyone agree to the system. One cannot abide by a Communist lifestyle in a Capitalist society. It makes no sense, just as one cannot practice Capitalism in a Communist society. In order to implement Communism so that the Communist may live by it, he will have to force everyone else to also accept and live under Communism.

You say that Communists want a humanity without greed, but, in the end, Communists themselves are greedy. They don't want anyone to strive for anything higher than anyone else; they want everyone to be equal so that no one can reach for anything more than what the government sets their goal posts up to be. They want to strip away humanity from people and replace it with a mindless, drone-like personality that serves no one but the state and will toil constantly for no rewards or recognition. Rich or powerful Communists usually think that they'll be the ones calling the shots in a Communist society. Your everyday person who is a Communist fears the power of Capitalism and thinks that they'll be taken advantage of by companies, and believes that government ownership, although they call it "public" ownership, is the only way to avoid this.

This line of thinking leaves out two things: innovation and government corruption. What is the point of innovating, coming up with new ideas, or inventing new things to improve life if it's public property as soon as you develop it? You don't get any rewards for doing so; instead, it becomes public property, or, in reality, government property, to do with as they see fit. If you own a business, it's not really your business, it's public property. Government corruption also plays a role, as the government will seek to destroy any dissent among the population and government bureaucrats will enjoy an extravagant lifestyle, filled with champagne, penthouses, and riches, while the average citizen enjoys a life of bland servitude to their government masters. Why is this? Because, while the government crushed the humanity out of the people, the government employees still retain theirs, and all the greed and corruption that comes with it.

Communists have not thought through their favored governmental system. At all.

I agree that it will not work for the reasons you point out but communists believe that humans will transcend their natural instincts (during the phase from socialism to communism) to the point where it will not happen. Your example of "what is the point of innovating" makes sense because humans do seek reward. A true communist believes that humans will evolve to the point that someone will innovate for no benefit whatsoever, just because they believe in the greater good. They will subject themselves to pain and expect no compensation for it. This is the part where it is easy for us to see that it will never happen, yet they are convinced that humans can become what they are not.

As for it being a government system as opposed to religious fundamentalists being local. I have spoken to many communists and many in the Green Party including Kucinich and Nader believe in decentralization. Getting things to the point where you can have a communist town right next to a libertarian town right next to a theocratic town. I would be perfectly fine with this. The reality that occurs is that the communist system would fall apart as the productive citizens leave, which leads to government forcing people to stay etc. But a true communist would say that if humans have evolved enough, they would want to stay even if they were producing more than they are being rewarded.

As for religious fundamentalists only wanting to live a Christian life themselves and not care about other people's lifestyles...that sounds good and all, but reality is nowhere close. Hence all of the laws about how people should lead their lives (sin taxes, blue laws, etc). It is even more clear if you look at muslims in the middle east as far as trying to change human nature.

Like I said, I am fine with a communist telling me how great things will be under their system and can usually have a more civilized discussion than talking with a liberal who is just a liberal because of TV or they were raised that way. It just comes down to that fundamental difference of opinion that they believe humans can "evolve" in just the right way. While I believe we are fine the way we are and there is a great system of capitalism that thrives on our humanity.

[moderate libertarian]

December 20, 2011



Whoopi Goldberg declared on “The View” Tuesday that communism is “a great concept” that “makes perfect sense.”






Does it mean she used to oppose President Reagan and Islamic Jihadi's joint fight against communism in Afghanistan too?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?337179-Ronald-Reagan-dedicates-the-Space-Shuttle-Columbia-to-the-Taliban&p=3839596&viewfull=1#post3839596


She keeps on surprising.

[Raudsarw]

I've heard this argument a lot that communism is good on paper but doesn't work in reality. Mostly by people who don't how anything about what is actually on paper. I swear, sometimes I feel as a Libertarian I know more about Marxism than most communists.

[Spikender]

I agree that it will not work for the reasons you point out but communists believe that humans will transcend their natural instincts (during the phase from socialism to communism) to the point where it will not happen. Your example of "what is the point of innovating" makes sense because humans do seek reward. A true communist believes that humans will evolve to the point that someone will innovate for no benefit whatsoever, just because they believe in the greater good. They will subject themselves to pain and expect no compensation for it. This is the part where it is easy for us to see that it will never happen, yet they are convinced that humans can become what they are not.

As for it being a government system as opposed to religious fundamentalists being local. I have spoken to many communists and many in the Green Party including Kucinich and Nader believe in decentralization. Getting things to the point where you can have a communist town right next to a libertarian town right next to a theocratic town. I would be perfectly fine with this. The reality that occurs is that the communist system would fall apart as the productive citizens leave, which leads to government forcing people to stay etc. But a true communist would say that if humans have evolved enough, they would want to stay even if they were producing more than they are being rewarded.

As for religious fundamentalists only wanting to live a Christian life themselves and not care about other people's lifestyles...that sounds good and all, but reality is nowhere close. Hence all of the laws about how people should lead their lives (sin taxes, blue laws, etc). It is even more clear if you look at muslims in the middle east as far as trying to change human nature.

Like I said, I am fine with a communist telling me how great things will be under their system and can usually have a more civilized discussion than talking with a liberal who is just a liberal because of TV or they were raised that way. It just comes down to that fundamental difference of opinion that they believe humans can "evolve" in just the right way. While I believe we are fine the way we are and there is a great system of capitalism that thrives on our humanity.

Before commenting on the rest, note that I actually agree with you on religion, I'm just saying that it is possible for religion to be practiced without forcing anyone else to. For example, a Christian can practice his religion without forcing anyone else to, since there is no part of Christianity that requires more than one person to practice it. Now, in reality, every religion tries to force it's view on others through the government in some way, shape, or form, and I realize this. I'm just saying that when you look at religion in general and then Communism, one can be practiced by one person freely without forcing others to while Communism requires more than one person to work together. Now, if everyone under Communism was a Communist, then I guess they would all freely submit to it, but that's usually not the case.

And yeah, I get what you're saying about Decentralization. The problem with this is that, like you said, humans would have to change their nature to live under Communism. The problem with Communism isn't that it limits bad human emotions, such as greed or envy, but that it stifles good ones, such as innovation, creativity, goodwill, charity, and competition. With a Communist government pretty much being the charity giver, you can count out goodwill and charity since the government handles, and since people don't need to be giving since everyone is taken care of anyway. And I already covered innovation, and competition sort goes along with that anyway, so I don't think I need to go over it again.

And the problem with "true Communists", is that no one would willingly stay, so they would have to force people to stay, like you said. So a "true Communist" would have to settle with the fact that Communism can never be applied practically in real life. And since many Communists rely on government to implement the system, Communism would never really be implemented since the government would simply settle for a dictatorship instead since government always seeks to grow and spread it's roots into the ground. That's actually one of the main problems with Communism; the government will simply take control, so that the only people in control are government officials and not the people, as a Communist would want.

[noneedtoaggress]

I've heard this argument a lot that communism is good on paper but doesn't work in reality. Mostly by people who don't how anything about what is actually on paper. I swear, sometimes I feel as a Libertarian I know more about Marxism than most communists.

If theory doesn't describe reality, it's not "good on paper". It's just fiction.

[Raudsarw]

If theory doesn't describe reality, it's not "good on paper". It's just fiction.

Exactly. All that theory is bullcrap aswell.

[Zippyjuan]

What she actually said is basically it sounds good on paper perhaps but in reality it is not a good system. The headline on this thread makes it sound like she was in favor of communism but that is not what was said. It was taken out of context- as others correctly pointed out. But I guess that would not have supported the "Hollywood is communist/ socialist/ liberal" theory- the justification for the other links provided.

[Soca Taliban]

Its as stupid and illogical on paper as it is in reality.

[FrankRep]

What she actually said is basically it sounds good on paper perhaps but in reality it is not a good system. The headline on this thread makes it sound like she was in favor of communism but that is not what was said. It was taken out of context- as others correctly pointed out.

Again, the quote is not out of context. Whoopi Goldberg thinks Communism looks great on paper.

Whoopi is the next best thing to Communism: A progressive.

[ShaneEnochs]

I don't know what you guys are up in arms about. She's absolutely right. Communism is fantastic on paper, but when you put in human beings that have aspirations and human beings that are worthless, then the concept goes out the window.

Everyone has a home, everyone has a car, everyone has food. But when you put humans into it, you need rules on how to govern them and oppress liberties to keep things the way they are. Then stuff just breaks down.

[jmdrake]

Stalin's Communist re-education camps tried to fix the "human condition."

What are your thoughts about Act 4?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+4&version=NKJV
Sharing in All Things

32 Now the multitude of those who believed were of one heart and one soul; neither did anyone say that any of the things he possessed was his own, but they had all things in common. 33 And with great power the apostles gave witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And great grace was upon them all. 34 Nor was there anyone among them who lacked; for all who were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the proceeds of the things that were sold, 35 and laid them at the apostles’ feet; and they distributed to each as anyone had need.
36 And Joses,[d] who was also named Barnabas by the apostles (which is translated Son of Encouragement), a Levite of the country of Cyprus, 37 having land, sold it, and brought the money and laid it at the apostles’ feet.

And yes this was voluntary based on people with common values deciding to hold common possessions.

[Wesker1982]

Communism is fantastic on paper

No, it is not. See post #15.

It isn't just a problem of motivation, it is a problem of economic calculation. Even if everyone were transformed into a new communist man, the economic calculation problem still remains.

[Mini-Me]

Again, the quote is not out of context. Whoopi Goldberg thinks Communism looks great on paper.

Whoopi is the next best thing to Communism: A progressive.

Look at your misleading thread title: The quote IS out of context. Whoopi Goldberg is saying nothing new here, and most Republicans I know have said the SAME EXACT THING to argue against Communism. She's not ascribing to Communism; she's just parroting the common saying that Communism "works on paper," but human nature makes it impossible in practice. Her emphasis was really on the latter part (the correct part), NOT the former incorrect part that you took out of context for a sensationalist thread title.

Of course, that doesn't mean Whoopi is right: Communism doesn't work on paper either for communities larger than small towns (where everyone knows each other), and the people who say it does just haven't looked hard enough at it. (Looking at the failed and successful settlements in early American history shows that the market generally works better even in small towns as well.) Anyone who thinks they can solve the calculation and coordination problems - on paper or anywhere else - without either knowing everyone involved or using a free market price mechanism is...overconfident, at best:


It isn't even a good idea "in theory"

http://mises.org/econcalc.asp

THE IMPOSSIBILITY OF ECONOMIC CALCULATION UNDER SOCIALISM (http://mises.org/humanaction/chap26sec1.asp)

Oh, BTW, hi everyone. :) I stopped in today to read a few threads, but I've been busy trying to get my life together and donating what I can to RP in the meantime. Hope everyone's doing well!

[Maximus]

Communism is fine so long as it is voluntary. Monasteries and convents are the best image of communism I could ever think of.

[Occam's Banana]

It’s a great concept. On paper it makes perfect sense. But once you put a human being in power, it shifts. We saw it in Russia, we’ve seen it all around the world. It’s nuts. But, I keep my fingers crossed.


What she actually said is basically it sounds good on paper perhaps but in reality it is not a good system. The headline on this thread makes it sound like she was in favor of communism but that is not what was said. It was taken out of context
If it weren't for that "crossed fingers" remark, I'd have been inclined to agree with you - or at least willing to grant the benefit of the doubt.

But apparently, her only problem with Communism is that the "right person" hasn't been put in charge of it ... yet. (Hence, the "crossed fingers").

[FrankRep]

But apparently, her only problem with Communism is that the "right person" hasn't been put in charge of it ... yet. (Hence, the "crossed fingers").

That's a good point. It does seem that Whoopi Goldberg is waiting for that "perfect" Dictator that won't be corrupted by the absolute power of Communist rule.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

That's a good point. It does seem that Whoopi Goldberg is waiting for that "perfect" Dictator that won't be corrupted by the absolute power of Communist rule.

What happened to the if men were angels bit? I still hold that, that saying is the best evidence given for why being Stateless is the only practical ideal. You don't freely hand over power to the devil do you? Here, have this monopoly on violence, law, and security.

[emazur]

“If you say that this is how our culture is and then you send your child to a Swiss boarding school — you know, this is what happens with communism."

That really doesn't make any sense - the North Koreans are extreme isolationists and anyone but the power elite that have the impunity to send their kid to a Swiss boarding school would be shot on site for even trying to step foot out of North Korea.

But at least she made sense at the end about how absolute power corrupts.

[John F Kennedy III]

For years I said that communism is great on paper, but terrible in practice.

That was my pre-awakened days though...

[SpicyTurkey]

Whoopi Goldberg is a dumbass that makes no sense.

[ShaneEnochs]

Whoopi Goldberg is a dumbass that makes no sense.

She was great on Star Trek TNG though.

[acptulsa]

'It just looks to me like communism is such a happy family affair that not a communist wants to stay where it is practiced. It's the only thing they want you to have but keep none for themselves.'--Will Rogers
//

'Communism is like prohibition; it's a good idea but it won't work.'--Will Rogers

[MrTudo]

Boy oh boy

McCarthy was RIGHT!

[acptulsa]

I was just trying to picture her making a good living on her charisma (which is considerable), her acting skills (which are nothing to write home about), or her sense of humor (which, if this goofy assed statement is any indication, hasn't dimmed one whit over the years) in the old Soviet Union.

I don't see it. She'd be a charwoman.

[Icymudpuppy]

Communism makes perfect sense... If you are a Queen Bee. All the workers are treated exactly the same. Like slaves.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

On paper, it sounds more radical than it shows her making the statement on video,

[Jovan Galtic]

“If you say that this is how our culture is and then you send your child to a Swiss boarding school — you know, this is what happens with communism. It’s a great concept. On paper it makes perfect sense. But once you put a human being in power, it shifts. We saw it in Russia, we’ve seen it all around the world. It’s nuts. But, I keep my fingers crossed.”

I grew up in a communist county and she doesn't know what she is talking about. Communism is an evil, retarded ideology by itself. It is not a "great concept" misused by some imperfect "human beings"...

[osan]

No other form of government has claimed more lives. Congratulations Whoopi - you're a fool.

Hey! Watch it buster! You don't go demeaning fools like that.

[osan]

Out of context. She's an idiot, but I don't think she's a communist.

She surely sounds like one, singing its praises and blaming humans for the failures when in reality it is the conceptual framework that flies in the face of human nature. Her pathetic ignorance rings like a clarion and serves not to conceal her heart with any convincing effect.

She may be an imbecile, but she has the ears of millions of Americans who actually listen to her insanely uninformed raving. Remember that.

[Inny Binny]

Well trying to acheive a political movement dedicated to workers' ownership and decentralised communities through dictatorial means is never going to work. If we're in anarchy and the communes win out, well so be it, but Marx's attempt to achieve anarchy through statist means is the height of silliness.

[Spikender]

I grew up in a communist county and she doesn't know what she is talking about. Communism is an evil, retarded ideology by itself. It is not a "great concept" misused by some imperfect "human beings"...

Jovan, it's the people who haven't experienced Communism who support it. Whoopie obviously has never lived through it like you have, and, until she does or until she wises up, she will likely continue to support a failed system that has killed millions of people and enslaved countless more.

[Jovan Galtic]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cSsB_jvk6U

[Ray]

This is taken out of context... She is saying that yeah, communism sounds fine on paper, but in reality, it always turns to shit.

[Jovan Galtic]

She said it is "a GREAT concept, on paper it makes perfect sense"... It doesn't. She never read anything about it "on paper". It is complete nonsense, completely illogical, unethical and most stupid ideology ever invented.

[osan]

Communism is fine so long as it is voluntary. Monasteries and convents are the best image of communism I could ever think of.

You are mistakenly conflating communism with collectivism. These are not the same. Collectivism is a broader category, communism being a subtype. There can be voluntarism in collectivism. There can be no voluntarism in communism by definition. If you study the tenets of communism, "state" ownership of all property is mandated... by force if need be. That is not very voluntary. We are virtually all of us in the very bad habit of playing fast and loose with words. It is my belief that the habit should be minimized or eliminated if possible. This necessitates SLOWING DOWN our communications - something few are willing to endure in this age of fast everything.

[Cutlerzzz]

I don't know what you guys are up in arms about. She's absolutely right. Communism is fantastic on paper, but when you put in human beings that have aspirations and human beings that are worthless, then the concept goes out the window.

Communism is awful on paper. See Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth.