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trey4sports
12-20-2011, 05:44 PM
I've heard that the establishment really tried to smear Reagan like they are now trying to do with Ron Paul.

Can anyone tell me a bit about this? How does it compare to the smear job taking effect today?

klamath
12-20-2011, 05:55 PM
Yes they hit reagan hard. "Governor reagan cant start a war President reagan will" "He is too extreme he can't win..." "simplistic" "dumb actor cowboy"

Travlyr
12-20-2011, 06:13 PM
While Ron Paul is a principled man along the lines of Ludwig von Mises, Ronald Reagan, a professional actor, was an superb speaker. Seriously, I would turn a football game off to listen to him. We didn't have the Internet at the time, so the TPTB did have the upper hand on the propaganda, and they could easily obfuscate the news... indeed they did. The most trusted man in America... Walter Cronkite was an expert at lying (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-terrible-truth-about-walter-cronkite/). Nonetheless, the establishment knew if they could subvert Ronald Reagan's agenda with the establishment's (http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm) globalist fiat money loving VP, then they maintained control of the man behind the curtain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

Napolitanic Wars
12-20-2011, 06:17 PM
Bush hated Reagan and called him a radical behind his back. For the life of me I can't find the news article source.

trey4sports
12-20-2011, 06:19 PM
im more interested in the similarities in the attacks that they had to endure.

Valli6
12-20-2011, 06:30 PM
Neil Cavuto ended his foxbusiness show tonight with a comment about all the pundits insisting that Ron Paul is unelectable and can't win. He brought up that they said the same thing about Ronald Reagan. (and Jimmy Carter)

Travlyr
12-20-2011, 06:31 PM
im more interested in the similarities in the attacks that they had to endure.
It was totally different. TV was dominant.

LibertyEagle
12-20-2011, 06:32 PM
They attacked Goldwater, relentlessly.

Travlyr
12-20-2011, 06:34 PM
They attacked Goldwater, relentlessly.
True, and Barry Goldwater was a lightweight compared to Ron Paul.

GeorgiaAvenger
12-20-2011, 06:34 PM
They attacked Goldwater, relentlessly.And unfortunately won. We can't let that happen.

LibertyEagle
12-20-2011, 06:38 PM
And unfortunately won. We can't let that happen.

One step at a time. Goldwater won the Republican primary and he won it by thousands of supporters volunteering with the campaign, learning the game (Robert's Rules of Order, etc.), working their butts off calling, walking door-to-door handing out literature and getting out the vote. They turned out so many Goldwater voters that they overwhelmed the establishment with numbers.

Let's win the Republican nomination first. Keep your eyes on the prize.

Note: The campaign needs MANY, MANY more volunteers for their PHONE-FROM-HOME program.

XNavyNuke
12-20-2011, 06:58 PM
I've heard that the establishment really tried to smear Reagan like they are now trying to do with Ron Paul.

Can anyone tell me a bit about this? How does it compare to the smear job taking effect today?

Google News Archive is your friend. It took me all of five minutes of searching to find an article.
June 7, 1976 - Reagan's policy of breaking of negotiations on the Panama Canal "guerrilla war is almost inevitable."
Link: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=RW1BPcyHXiwC&dat=19760607&printsec=frontpage&hl=en Page six, upper left hand corner.

XNN

nbhadja
12-20-2011, 07:11 PM
They shot him...literally....

XNavyNuke
12-20-2011, 07:22 PM
From the same link. The economy going into the late 70's is not as bad as everyone think. Reagan warning that inflation is going to rise: "That allegation is political rhetoric."

XNN

cindy25
12-20-2011, 07:28 PM
they attacked him, and then they won him over. He became part of the Establishment. one issue in 1980 was draft registration, which Reagan promised to end on day 1; he never did.

the comparison of Ron Paul to Barry Goldwater is more valid

Anti Federalist
12-20-2011, 08:02 PM
They shot him...literally....

That's what I was coming in to say.

The rhetorical attacks from the Establishment were horrendous.

Then he won.

Then they shot him.

And he was never the same man afterward.

Appoint Jesse Ventura to head of Secret Service.

No, I'm not kidding...

jacmicwag
12-20-2011, 08:09 PM
Any more concrete sources would be helpful but I guess I could do my own Google search. I've run into a few people who do not buy that Reagan was an outsider like Paul and I'd like to convince them otherwise.

klamath
12-20-2011, 08:25 PM
Any more concrete sources would be helpful but I guess I could do my own Google search. I've run into a few people who do not buy that Reagan was an outsider like Paul and I'd like to convince them otherwise.
do research on the 1976 republican race between Reagan and Ford.

spudea
12-20-2011, 08:30 PM
While Ron Paul is a principled man along the lines of Ludwig von Mises, Ronald Reagan, a professional actor, was an superb speaker. Seriously, I would turn a football game off to listen to him.

Thank you for that full video of his speech. Reagan is more eloquent, but so was Paul in his youth. I think Ron Paul holds his own.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLtdFtSAmLw&feature=colike


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAulpWLZC2Y

XNavyNuke
12-21-2011, 07:06 AM
Any more concrete sources would be helpful but I guess I could do my own Google search. I've run into a few people who do not buy that Reagan was an outsider like Paul and I'd like to convince them otherwise.

Here's another: http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=djft3U1LymYC&dat=19751119&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Page 30 - Pittsburgh Press November 21st, 1975

"Despite his youthful looks, he is 64 andhe has not shown the stamina for a transcontinental campaign."

"...while he may run well in the GOP primaries, where conservatives tend to be active, he could not attract Democrats and independents in the general election - and thus he would be no better than Goldwater in 1964."

"... he talks of turning over to the states such federal programs as welfare, food stamps, aid to education, housing and Medicare."

"It all sounds marvelous. But where would the states get the money to do this..."

Concrete enough for ya?

XNN

XNavyNuke
12-21-2011, 07:23 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=rwEhk56xNqMC&dat=19760118&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Page 3-D Lakeland Ledger 18th January 1976

Republican party insider bemoaning lack of liberal and moderates to oppose Reagan views.

"Dubuque Iowa - "I'm beginning to wonder," a Republican official here commented this week, "whether we don't need some other option beside Ford and Reagan. Is there any chance we will get it?"

"Rebuplican moderates and liberals do well in gubernatorial and senatorial elections in major states;..."

Party brass doesn't think Reagan can win a national election.

XNN

Krugerrand
12-21-2011, 07:36 AM
That's what I was coming in to say.

The rhetorical attacks from the Establishment were horrendous.

Then he won.

Then they shot him.

And he was never the same man afterward.

Appoint Jesse Ventura to head of Secret Service.

No, I'm not kidding...

Same here.

An interesting use for JV. I'll have to ponder that one.

Krugerrand
12-21-2011, 07:40 AM
http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=rwEhk56xNqMC&dat=19760118&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

Page 3-D Lakeland Ledger 18th January 1976

Republican party insider bemoaning lack of liberal and moderates to oppose Reagan views.

"Dubuque Iowa - "I'm beginning to wonder," a Republican official here commented this week, "whether we don't need some other option beside Ford and Reagan. Is there any chance we will get it?"

"Rebuplican moderates and liberals do well in gubernatorial and senatorial elections in major states;..."

Party brass doesn't think Reagan can win a national election.

XNN

In contrast to this election ... the party brass knows Ron Paul will win the national election if he gets the GOP nod ... and it scares the begibbities out of them.

Zap!
12-21-2011, 02:20 PM
While Ron Paul is a principled man along the lines of Ludwig von Mises, Ronald Reagan, a professional actor, was an superb speaker. Seriously, I would turn a football game off to listen to him. We didn't have the Internet at the time, so the TPTB did have the upper hand on the propaganda, and they could easily obfuscate the news... indeed they did. The most trusted man in America... Walter Cronkite was an expert at lying (http://www.aim.org/aim-column/the-terrible-truth-about-walter-cronkite/). Nonetheless, the establishment knew if they could subvert Ronald Reagan's agenda with the establishment's (http://www.georgewalkerbush.net/bushfamilyfundedhitler.htm) globalist fiat money loving VP, then they maintained control of the man behind the curtain.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

Reagan was brilliant when he was younger like in that video. I wish he would have ran and won at that time. When he got shot in 1981 by Neil Bush's fiend's brother, Hinkley, he became a changed man.

TulsaRevolution
12-21-2011, 03:12 PM
They reacted to Reagan by compromising him. Vice President Bush was like Ron Paul winning the nomination and having Rudy Giuliani as a running mate. What happened behind the scenes to get that deal done?

Oh and yes, they shot him as Zap mentions.

The_Ruffneck
12-21-2011, 03:40 PM
They didn't like him and he initially didn't play the globalists game hence they tried to kill him like they killed JFK , RFK , MLK etc
He changed after the assassination attempt.