A word of warning

[Brian Bailey]

I really think we need to be hesitant about tying the word Revolution into this particular event too heavily.

The Revolutionaries are already on-board with us. We need to take this opportunity to appeal to a much broader base.

You and I know that there is nothing scary or violent about our usage of the word revolution but there are millions of people out there who don't think like we do.

I urge everyone to start thinking of some slogans and graphics that don't include that phraseology. (Again, please note that I am referring only to the Weekend Of Liberty event.)

[Conza88]

"No taxation without representation"

- No revolution-ology there. :rolleyes: They were able to attack us over the 5th. {British Holiday / event} so they can to an extent do so without being laughed off the set. Thus why Cnn wasn't able to give such wayward coverage imo. But, how the hell is the media going to negatively portray the American Revolution / the event that played a large part: The Boston Tea Party - man I'd like to see them try.

'Sons of liberty' would be something worth calling ourselves for this day? = its also historical!!!

The event:
On Thursday, December 16, 1773, the evening before the tea was due to be landed, the Sons of Liberty thinly disguised as Mohawk Indians, left the massive protest meeting and headed toward Griffin's Wharf, where lay Dartmouth and the newly arrived Beaver and Eleanour. Swiftly and efficiently, casks of tea were brought up from the hold to the deck, reasonable proof that some of the "Indians" were, in fact, longshoremen. The casks were opened and the tea dumped overboard; the work, lasting well into the night, was quick, thorough, and efficient. By dawn, 90,000 lbs (45 tons) of tea worth an estimated £10,000 had been consigned to waters of Boston harbor.[1] Nothing else had been damaged or stolen, except a single padlock accidentally broken and anonymously replaced not long thereafter. Tea washed up on the shores around Boston for weeks.

[Ginobili]

On one hand, I agree about not using revolution as much, on the other I dont. But, if it helps bring in new members, then its all good if we use it less.

[dfalken]

Excellent observation. If we are going to get Dr. Paul elected we are going to have to move outside of us "revolutionaries". We are the leaders of this campaign now we need to enlist the masses. We are getting a bit myopic and just thinking about our efforts in our terms....we need to appeal to the guy that works at McDonald's at Walmart, at the corner deli...in the end that is who is going to elect the President. this is the point I was trying to make with the $1 donation option. We can afford the $100 donation and those of us who can't know that a smaller donation is ok but the average guy out there working at Walmart cannot afford the $100 donation and doesn't have enough common sense to know that a $1 donation is acceptable...he/she might be turned away by seeing only a request for $100.

This same principle applies to what you are saying about "revolution". We know what it means and we are sold on it but now we need to bring on board the masses...granted that the logo rEVOLution is very clever, and the use of the word LOVE inside of it certainly softens it. Ron Paul is very intelligent and so are most of his grass root supporters but to get him elected we are going to have to appeal to the person with average intelligence who by definition is the majority.

When I read Dr. Paul's writing and listen to his speeches I understand and agree with pretty much every word he says, in fact I have been reading his economic dissertations for probably ten years now...but I also wonder if the average person out there understands more than a few words of what he is saying. Yes he is the best candidate and we know that but there is a reason all the other candidates are "dumbed down" and that is because the average person is "dumbed down". I believe the Ron Paul campaign after November 5th turned a corner and is now going into its mainstream stage and this stage is where it will flourish or it will fail...let's grow with the campaign and not only continue to serve our own interests and appeal only to our ilk. Let's keep this in mind and let's keep the final price in mind.

David

[dfalken]

In response to Conza,

The media if they want to attack us will find a way trust me. This can serve as an argument both ways...meaning we either shouldn't be as concerned by them attacking us or we need to be as careful as possible. On November 6th I read an article on MSM mainly focused on the connection between a wrestler who is an amateur porn star and his support for Ron Paul...they spoke about how Oprah supports Hillary (I think it was Hillary) and Magic Johnson supports Obama and Ron Paul's supporter is the WWF wrestler/porn star....the media will spin a story whichever way they like just how they kept using the word terrorist when referring to Guy Fawkes and November 5th. Just some thoughts.

[NewEnd]

revolution stays.
period

[ladyliberty]

here here I second that motion! ReEVOLution stays!

to lose that is a betrayal to everyone who has fought so hard to keep this campaign alive!

[Conza88]

In response to Conza,

The media if they want to attack us will find a way trust me. This can serve as an argument both ways...meaning we either shouldn't be as concerned by them attacking us or we need to be as careful as possible. On November 6th I read an article on MSM mainly focused on the connection between a wrestler who is an amateur porn star and his support for Ron Paul...they spoke about how Oprah supports Hillary (I think it was Hillary) and Magic Johnson supports Obama and Ron Paul's supporter is the WWF wrestler/porn star....the media will spin a story whichever way they like just how they kept using the word terrorist when referring to Guy Fawkes and November 5th. Just some thoughts.

Yea I know. They'll find anyway they can. Hopefully didn't convey I don't think they would. Not much we can do personally I think. Limiting our terminology won't change a whole lot... imo. All they need to do is hear RP's logical stance on issues.

[LFOD]

Ron Paul uses the expression "freedom revolution" in his last open letter (ronpaul2008.com). That idea is not going to go away, nor should it. We are hitting on 1776 revolutionary themes all the time, and I think the ability to do that is priceless. No other candidate can pull that off. I think some faith in the American people is in order. We are obviously not a violent revolution, or something outside the law, but (what should not be, but unfortunately is) a revolutionary return to the intent of the original American revolution - government according to the Constitution!

[Lesgov]

The Boston Tea Party was all about revolting against more taxes, it was one more step towards the revolution.
Tea Party = Revolution!

[Brian Bailey]

I am not asking the Revolution to go away.

I am asking us to open our minds to possibilities and to see if we can do this campaign a service by expanding our appeal.

Something along the lines of:


Boston Tea Party 2007

Ron Paul 2008
Hope for America

Everyone Is Invited

[LFOD]

I am not asking the Revolution to go away.

I am asking us to open our minds to possibilities and to see if we can do this campaign a service by expanding our appeal.

Something along the lines of:


Boston Tea Party 2007

Ron Paul 2008
Hope for America

Everyone Is Invited

Works for me.

[FreeTraveler]

As one of the "old fogies" (I'm 55) I'd like to chime in to confirm that the "R" word makes a lot of my generation nervous. (Not me personally, I really LIKE it!) However, I think "Liberty is Brewing" makes a good mainstream motto that almost any voter could appreciate. Let's save "Revolution" for the hardcore, and find another way to say the same thing that won't run off the moderates that we have got to attract to take this to the next level.

[Adam0980]

Using the word revolution doesn't matter. That word is used so much in so many different contexts that it doesn't matter. I think we're worried where it's not warranted. Must people won't think twice about some "slogan" on some website. The only requirement for it should be that it just makes sense.

And also to chime in, I really, really like what Brian Bailey has suggested..."Everyone is Invited." That's very clever and funny enough "inviting."

[justinc.1089]

Yeah I kind of like Everyone Is Invited. At first everyone seeing that will think its something to go to, then check out the site and find out the deal. Its a good idea, although I worry about it not having anything to catch attention. I mean first its not very special or odd or anything, so why would someone look, next it has little incentive to make people find out what is happening, a tea party I'm invited too? ok?, and last it does not have any theme to it like liberty, BTP, or Ron Paul. It has party in it from invite but thats kind of weak really. Its clever and I like it, but I don't think its promotional material.

[Brian Bailey]

Yeah I kind of like Everyone Is Invited. At first everyone seeing that will think its something to go to, then check out the site and find out the deal. Its a good idea, although I worry about it not having anything to catch attention. I mean first its not very special or odd or anything, so why would someone look, next it has little incentive to make people find out what is happening, a tea party I'm invited too? ok?, and last it does not have any theme to it like liberty, BTP, or Ron Paul. It has party in it from invite but thats kind of weak really. Its clever and I like it, but I don't think its promotional material.

Good feedback.

However, I think if the words were overlayed on that picture of everyone dumping the $100 bills into the ocean, it could be incredibly inviting and powerful.

Everyone Is Invited:
To join the Revolution.
To throw your Fed notes into the ocean.
To rebel against taxes and too much government interference.
To donate.

[Adam0980]

Yes exactly. The phrase, "Everyone is invited," by itself is not much. But we are not imagining it within the frame of the BTP image, website, and other information. It is perfect. We need to use this. Can we get a vote on this or some opinions.

[austin356]

OP is right. We already appeal to most revolutionaries in the nation. This event is 3 weeks before the Iowa Caucuses. Iowans are the absolute opposite of "revolutionaries" we must expand our base, we must recognize basic campaigning principals if we want to be truly mainstream.

[justinc.1089]

It would be good on the website and youtube videos. But it is not good for signs or shirts.

[justinc.1089]

OP is right. We already appeal to most revolutionaries in the nation. This event is 3 weeks before the Iowa Caucuses. Iowans are the absolute opposite of "revolutionaries" we must expand our base, we must recognize basic campaigning principals if we want to be truly mainstream.

Thats why some people along with myself want to go with saying LiberTea instead of revolution in promoting this event. Plus LiberTea will catch people's attention quicker than revolution would anyway.

[austin356]

It would be good on the website and youtube videos. But it is not good for signs or shirts.



Well I think you are right to an extent here. We can and should promote our revolutionary ideas online where they will be welcomed with open arms, yet at the same time put on a different face for the press and mainstream.

This is essentially what Ron has done his entire congressional career. Though he never hides what his beliefs are, he structures his presentation so that he keeps his revolutionary ideas (and Mises type national base) while at the same time being seen in a different light down in his home district. I know people down there that dont follow politics; They perceive him much different than people do nationally, and yet he never hides from his ideas.

[amonasro]

The Tea Party is an event EVERYONE remembers from early school days. It creates an emotional connection to the day, and more will become excited and curious. The emotional connection is part of the reason the 5th worked.

[James R]

I really think we need to be hesitant about tying the word Revolution into this particular event too heavily.

The Revolutionaries are already on-board with us. We need to take this opportunity to appeal to a much broader base.

You and I know that there is nothing scary or violent about our usage of the word revolution but there are millions of people out there who don't think like we do.

I urge everyone to start thinking of some slogans and graphics that don't include that phraseology. (Again, please note that I am referring only to the Weekend Of Liberty event.)

I see what you are saying, but here is the thing: A tea party sounds boring. But, if you make it about "the brewing of a revolution", the boringness of it evaporates. That is why I think a spiced up slogan is going to work in this case.

[Jobarra]

Still like the idea of "Liberty is brewing in America"

I agree with the OP. WE don't see Revolution as a bad term since we know our history. However, the media always pushes revolution with terrorism nowadays. They already refer to V in "V for Vendetta" as a terrorist. I don't think the mainstream voters link Revolution with Liberty and Freedom anymore like we do. They link it with terrorism. Just another thing wrong with the country :(

[parke]

The Boston Tea Party was all about revolting against more taxes, it was one more step towards the revolution.
Tea Party = Revolution!

It would take a new englander to make that point ;)

[Paul.Bearer.of.Injustice]

Taking a dump is terrorism as long as it serves GWB's interest. It doesn't matter what we do, people. The attempts to muddy the waters will never stop. Do not let them manipulate us into paralysis by analysis.