Best place to move if RP not elected?

[meowmixeater]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

[sylvania]

Welcome to the forums.

[meowmixeater]

thx. im active on dailypaul.com.

[purplechoe]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

New Zeland maybe?

[ross11988]

Id say Switzerland

[IowaSupport]

Botswana might still value our currency at that point - I'd say sell your house and head there.

[Seanmc30]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

I was going to say Finland but.....

Portland Oregon, from what I hear, might be the best place to live in the states should this Government continue on its current path.

[brumans]

France seems nice

[Kap]

Another planet The US will continue it's failing foreign policy of hegemonic domination No one is save on this planet if Hillary or Ghouliani is commander in chief. This will result in greater disparity between the poor and rich while we're forced to watch TV and spoon fed McDonald's.

Actually, I heard the polar ice caps were melting. You could live off dead polar bears for a few years.

[RonPaulFever]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

I know you're a new user, but in the future, please post topics like this in the appropriate forum.

[Nate K]

i ain't goin nowhere, i'm not one to run away from my problems.

[meowmixeater]

im sorry, i looked through all the forums. i didnt see it fitting into any

[RP4ME]

Id say Switzerland

thats for now - but they are surrounded by teh EU - they could get choked at some point!

[TruePatriot44]

Moving to another country is crap. I'd rather form a succession movement like our founding fathers did.

[freeslacker]

how about continuing to work towards changing YOUR country for the better? or maybe you don't have a problem ABANDONING your friends and family. something tells me you won't be missed.

[MikeStanart]

Stay here and fight the good fight.

[MikeStanart]

how about continuing to work towards changing YOUR country for the better? or maybe you don't have a problem ABANDONING your friends and family. something tells me you won't be missed.

No need to get hostile;

You can express your opinion without being rude.

I agree that nobody should leave; but I don't agree with that tone.

[10thAmendmentMan]

Dump a whole bunch of dirt into a big mound in the middle of the Pacific and make your own island. Then you can plant a bunch of coconut trees and get a buttload of monkies dumped onto your island and name yourself Emperor. Then you can name your new country something obnoxious. I'd suggest "I'm With Stupid ---->"

On a more serious note, I'm reading "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World" by Harry Browne. There are a lot of good ideas on how moving anywhere else isn't all that necessary if you're willing to do some life-acrobatics.

[werdd]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

Look, leaving the country is just what the globalist want us to do. We gotta stay and fight.

[sylvania]

I was going to say Finland but.....

Portland Oregon, from what I hear, might be the best place to live in the states should this Government continue on its current path.

I don't think so.

They just passed a terrible property rights measure yesterday. It's a not problem if all you want to do is rent for the rest of your life, but don't go hoping to do anything with any property you buy. This is a socialist paradise.

[Kregener]

Ignore the "proper forum" people, they pester about the minutia all day and night.

I echo the thoughts who say running away will only mean you will be enslaved or die tired and far away.

Stay and fight.

[jumpyg1258]

Go to Antarctica and live with the penguins!!!

[piotr1]

I wonder how Thailand would fair in this question.

[Roxi]

i know my childs safety and future is way more important than anyone else's feelings

so yeah... argentina

[parke]

Costa Rica!

[RonPaulCentral]

No joke... I will be leaving. Not a consideration, not just a concept, but fact. I am also taking my parents. The ONLY reason at this point I will stay is if RP is elected.

Here have been my considerations, all still on the table and full options for me (for one reason or another, be in money, by marrying my g/f or education that is a needed skill)

First to last choice.

#1: New Zealand
#2: Switzerland
#3: Ireland
#4: Panama

I will always bank in Panama however regardless of where I move.... ;)

-=B=-

[BuddyRey]

YOU guys can "stay and fight." I'm getting me and my family the Heck out of Dodge! That's not cowardice, it's self-preservation. :p

[MikeStanart]

Do you guys realize that this is a movement?

I want Ron Paul to win 100%.

Look at the thousands of people who we've turned onto the message of Freedom!
This is a MOVEMENT!

God forbid If it doesn't happen in 08'....It will happen VERY SOON.

[Roxi]

Dump a whole bunch of dirt into a big mound in the middle of the Pacific and make your own island. Then you can plant a bunch of coconut trees and get a buttload of monkies dumped onto your island and name yourself Emperor. Then you can name your new country something obnoxious. I'd suggest "I'm With Stupid ---->"

On a more serious note, I'm reading "How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World" by Harry Browne. There are a lot of good ideas on how moving anywhere else isn't all that necessary if you're willing to do some life-acrobatics.



i want ron paul to take that money and buy an island we can all move to and he could be our president... unfortunately that would just put us ALL into a small tidy place to drop a bomb on and get rid of all of us at once so i would probably just hide in the wilds on an island, and buy a volleyball, and name it HOYT :D

[OptionsTrader]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

You'll definitely want to avoid the ones with multiple blue dots, they are targets.

http://i17.tinypic.com/6x1i6hv.jpg

[Kregener]

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the
animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel
nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest
lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)

[sylvania]

OMG, can you imagine the people on this forum trying to all live on a tiny island together in peace? Ha! ROFLMAO

[10thAmendmentMan]

OMG, can you imagine the people on this forum trying to all live on a tiny island together in peace? Ha! ROFLMAO

We could always build a Thunderdome and place it in the middle of the island. That'd keep any disputes pretty low-key, I'd think.

[RonPaulCentral]

OMG, can you imagine the people on this forum trying to all live on a tiny island together in peace? Ha! ROFLMAO

Sure as long as I control policy .... ;)

[American]

Rio or Switzerland

Or live free, or Die here.

Not everyone gets to chose how they will die, and for such a good cause. If RP doesnt get elected,

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f344/killerm0nkey666/votefromtherooftops.jpg

[texasbelle]

No joke... I will be leaving. Not a consideration, not just a concept, but fact. I am also taking my parents. The ONLY reason at this point I will stay is if RP is elected.

Here have been my considerations, all still on the table and full options for me (for one reason or another, be in money, by marrying my g/f or education that is a needed skill)

First to last choice.

#1: New Zealand
#2: Switzerland
#3: Ireland
#4: Panama

I will always bank in Panama however regardless of where I move.... ;)

-=B=-

New Zealand is my first choice too. I am not going to have my child mandatory mental health screened or any mandatory vaxes. Until then we have to do everything to get Ron Paul elected. For LIBERTY!!!!

[conner_condor]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.


How long have you worked for the feds? ;)

[bbachtung]

New Zealand is a socialist paradise.

Ireland only recently began to allow divorces (a little bit before they amended their constitution to eliminate birthright citizenship) and is heavily involved with the EU.

I would recommend New Hampshire.

[piotr1]

Buy a sailboat and live sailing the oceans!

[freeslacker]

That's not cowardice, it's self-preservation.

naw, it's cowardice.

In the last year I've visited France, England, Sweden, and Latvia. I'm going to drive to El Salvador in a few weeks, and there's no way I'd even consider leaving all my friends/family/life to move to another country.

I can accept someone who has moved around their whole lives, or for some other reason was not able to build strong relationships with people, that they would consider moving out of the country. But if you've actually had the time in one spot to build real relationships with people and you'd just abandon it all, that's sick.

Don't run from your life. Work towards making it better. Wherever you are.

[10thAmendmentMan]

Don't run from your life. Work towards making it better. Wherever you are.

Enh. There's only so much you can do. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. If the population were adequately informed of RP's positions and still rejected them, there's not much you can do but move out. You can't force freedom on people.

[MS0453]

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the
animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel
nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest
lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)

I was going to post the same thing, but it's so powerful, I'll just have to quote you. :)

The movements growing my leaps and bounds. It's not time to talk about an escape plan. It's time to dig your heels in.

[pcosmar]

Dig foxholes.

[BuddyRey]

naw, it's cowardice.

In the last year I've visited France, England, Sweden, and Latvia. I'm going to drive to El Salvador in a few weeks, and there's no way I'd even consider leaving all my friends/family/life to move to another country.

I can accept someone who has moved around their whole lives, or for some other reason was not able to build strong relationships with people, that they would consider moving out of the country. But if you've actually had the time in one spot to build real relationships with people and you'd just abandon it all, that's sick.

Don't run from your life. Work towards making it better. Wherever you are.

I didn't plan on leaving by myself (in fact, I could never do that). I'd have to pack up my entire family, even if they resisted. I'll try to convince my dad that it isn't really that cold in Switzerland, my sister that there are throngs of good-looking guys in Costa Rica, or my mom that New Hampshire will be rife with delicious and inexpensive crab meat, and eventually, I'll persuade them...I hope! :o

I love this country, but if Ron Paul doesn't make it (even though I'm very optimistic for his chances), I'm not going to stay around long enough to get microchipped and vaccinated against my will. THAT would be a fate worse than death, and I'd rather fight them through the last availible means; exodus.

[Kregener]

10% of America's gun owners could take the country back, should they decide to do so.

Running is for cowards.

[FrankRep]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

Move here:

http://freestateproject.org/

New Hampshire

[freeslacker]

Move here:

http://freestateproject.org/

New Hampshire

+1

[tarsus]

Didn't Ron Paul say something about being frustrated about how the country was but didn't want to run away so he did what he could to change the system? I think he also said something in response to a violent revolution that he's doing his best to prevent one. As we all know though, those who do not make peaceful revolution possible...

[BLS]

First place I'm going is the Gun Store.

[BLS]

10% of America's gun owners could take the country back, should they decide to do so.

Running is for cowards.


Amen Brother.

The blood of patriots is sometimes necessary in the face of tyranny.

[beerista]

Move here:

http://freestateproject.org/

New Hampshire

Probably not a bad idea even if.. I mean when... Ron Paul is elected. After all, with federalism reinstated, you'd still want to be where the like-minded people are. In fact, it would be even more important.

[Matt]

Dump a whole bunch of dirt into a big mound in the middle of the Pacific and make your own island. Then you can plant a bunch of coconut trees and get a buttload of monkies dumped onto your island and name yourself Emperor. Then you can name your new country something obnoxious. I'd suggest "I'm With Stupid ---->"

HAHA, some libertarians actually did that back in the 70's. They built an artificial island on a reef in the Pacific and named it Minerva. Unfortunately Tonga invaded them and took it over. Maybe they should have armed the monkeys. :D

[bbachtung]

Buy a sailboat and live sailing the oceans!

Just hope that the U.S. doesn't ratify the Law of the Sea Treaty.

[Bison]

Stand and fight. This is your country and there is no place like it in the world.

[dude58677]

Mauritius;) There Constitution is very similar to ours.

[FSP-Rebel]

Probably not a bad idea even if.. I mean when... Ron Paul is elected. After all, with federalism reinstated, you'd still want to be where the like-minded people are. In fact, it would be even more important.
My sentiments exactly.

[10thAmendmentMan]

HAHA, some libertarians actually did that back in the 70's. They built an artificial island on a reef in the Pacific and named it Minerva. Unfortunately Tonga invaded them and took it over. Maybe they should have armed the monkeys. :D

I just looked that up and you're right! That is worth a chuckle or two. Especially how Tonga got their panties in a bunch about some people living on a dirt mound they made in the middle of the ocean.

[torchbearer]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

The best place to go if Ron Paul doesn't get elected is to our citizen soldier training grounds in Montana and join the liberation army.

[Natalie]

HAHA, some libertarians actually did that back in the 70's. They built an artificial island on a reef in the Pacific and named it Minerva. Unfortunately Tonga invaded them and took it over. Maybe they should have armed the monkeys. :D

OMG, that's crazy! I never knew! My bf and I talk about starting our own island all the time, lol :D

[kevman657]

Canada.

[fightfortruth]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

There is nowhere you could go. Tyranny is everywhere. You have to continue the fight at home.

[demosthenes]

As FrankRep mentioned, Free State Project in New Hampshire!

[cradle2graveconservative]

For all its flaws, the United States is still the best country to live in, in my humble opinion.

[fightfortruth]

i want ron paul to take that money and buy an island we can all move to and he could be our president... unfortunately that would just put us ALL into a small tidy place to drop a bomb on and get rid of all of us at once so i would probably just hide in the wilds on an island, and buy a volleyball, and name it HOYT :D

:D

[sparebulb]

Cowardly behavior sometimes pays off. Most of us are descendants of people who chose to pick up everything and leave their homes and gamble on an unknown future in an unknown land. About a century ago, some of my ancestors left Russia for the US, Canada, and Argentina. It was a good thing that they left when they did because they probably wouldn't have survived the events that occurred right after they left. It was a good decision.

[fightfortruth]

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the
animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel
nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest
lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

Samuel Adams, (1722-1803)

Wow, that is an awsome quote. I am saving that one. :-)

[AFTFNJ]

Move here:

http://freestateproject.org/

New Hampshire

Go into porcupine mode & gather all the troops in 1 state.

[Don]

I lived in Costa Rica for awhile and I was really struck how tangible the freedom was. You don't realize the degree to which our actions and activities here in the States are prescribed by rules because we are so used to them.

One of the other staffers asked Ron once which country he thought was most relatively free. He said Belize.

I have been there and I tend to agree, but there really isn't much to do there which is why I prefer Costa Rica. Still really free, but great nightlife.

New Zealand is the other obvious choice. They make expropriating easy for educated Americans.

[ChooseLiberty]

There's at least one other big thread about this topic.

[bootstrap]

I am a lover of liberty, not a nationalist. The american people allowed themselves to be turned into stupid drones, supported the rise of authoritarians for decades, and lately when the signs of overt tyranny are everywhere --- make fun of the only proponent of liberty running for office.

I had already made specific plans to leave the US when I found out about the Ron Paul campaign. I'm willing to make this one last effort to stop the tide towards authoritarianism, even though I am virtually certain it is too late. The moment Ron Paul campaign fails, I encourage liberty lovers to get the hell outta here FAST, because they have already planned events to cinch the noose on liberty, and the signs are everywhere. You can be sure the lovers of liberty will be the jews of nazi germany --- do you really advise them to stay and protest? Give me a break!

Where does not matter that much, as long as the destination does not have a militant attitude. As long as you want to just live your own life, not be political, you can probably do well in any country without delusions of grandeur.

I am not familiar with most parts of the world, but evidentally just about every continent (and "large island-nations") has places where people are kind, simple, honest folks. Usually the best places are very rural and away from anywhere anyone much cares about (out of the crosshairs). Often this means mountainous areas (like the Andes to give one example), but do some research to find out what suits you. Choose somewhere with climate and geography you love, don't move to Panama if you like low humidity and mountains, for example!

The bottom line is this. The battle here is futile (and has been for some time), and while you are more than welcome to subject your future to this insane banana republic with nukes, don't ask other liberty lovers to sacrifice their lives. Each of us must make our own choice, as I have made mine.

[sirachman]

Move? Sorry but thats just stupid. Stay here and spread the message after the elections and get more people behind us. This will not be a lose because not enough people agree it would be simply because we need more time to reach the public. We need to stay together, even on these very forums and continue to spread the message of revolution and when the next presidential election comes we will have more support and either Ron or someone else will run once again. This is about revolution and changing this country not solely about one cantidate, we need him to win but even if he doesnt we will still win. But instead at local AND eventually at national level.

Soldier on Revolutionaries!!

[spaten]

There is nowhere you could go. Tyranny is everywhere. You have to continue the fight at home.

Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia? Eastern Europe is more free and still respect freedom. Spain, maybe. Recent ex-dictatorships are more likely to refuse the idea of tyranny.

[Akus]

Suppose Ron Paul DOESNT make it to the white house. I think it would be smart to leave this country ASAP. What countries are out there that really aren't so much involved with the NWO and government oppression? Ones that would be preferred are countries that speak english and have a decent economy.

meowmixeater, i will say the same thing I always say in the circumstances like this. RP will go in Congress. He will continue to pass the bills that he usually does. But only this time, we will contact our friendly local senators and congressmen and politely tell them with a big smile to either endorse the bill or find something else to do for a living come election of 2010.

[bootstrap]

Move? Sorry but thats just stupid. Stay here and spread the message after the elections and get more people behind us. This will not be a lose because not enough people agree it would be simply because we need more time to reach the public. We need to stay together, even on these very forums and continue to spread the message of revolution and when the next presidential election comes we will have more support and either Ron or someone else will run once again. This is about revolution and changing this country not solely about one cantidate, we need him to win but even if he doesnt we will still win. But instead at local AND eventually at national level.

Soldier on Revolutionaries!!
I would agree if it hadn't already progressed beyond the point of no return. Sorry, but it has, and is soon to become much, much worse - certainly long before any post-2008 election cycle! Maybe you are confused by certain rare events in history, like the american revolution. This government has the biggest pile of cops and military, weapons and nukes, in the history of the world. And they are at least as malicious and unjust as anyone anytime in history (to destroy what was the core of liberty in the world).

Just look at what is happening this week! The congress passes laws against thought crimes (in other words, especially supporters of liberty and Ron Paul). We find that ATT has forwarded every last bit of internet traffic to the NSA for the past several years - including this forum, of course. The american people have supported and allowed obscene authoritarianism to grow for decades now, and anyone with a brain can see that any attempt to fix the system now, will simply turn themselves into a target. It is too late to win, unless Ron Paul wins, so lets just concentrate on that and do whatever each of us wants if we all lose.

[DealzOnWheelz]

how about Costa Rica

[rp0x]

Here is the Economist's recent study on "Democracy Index". I am not sure if it translates to free markets and libertarianism, but it does take into account Civil Liberties and political aspects.

US is ranked 17th, here is the list 1 - 17

Sweden 1
Iceland 2
Netherlands 3
Norway 4
Denmark 5
Finland 6
Luxembourg 7
Australia 8
Canada 9
Switzerland 10
Ireland 11
New Zealand 11
Germany 13
Austria 14
Malta 15
Spain 16
US 17

http://www.economist.com/media/pdf/DEMOCRACY_INDEX_2007_v3.pdf

[sirachman]

Sorry I guess im not as much of an end-of-the-world'er as some people. We can spread the message of the constitution and freedom without worry for the next 4 years and take the next election. All your leaving is doing is setting us back even more years of trying to find people to support a constitutionalist president. Bleh im done

[Madison]

Supposedly the Nazi's built underground bases in Antarctica during and after WWII. We could locate and storm these bases, imprison the Nazi's, and make them our new homes.

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

I was also thinking about moving, either west into the mountains of good ol' nc, or to montana to to pan gold, or Costa Rica, learn to bartend, hey, I would finally get my tan back. Right now it's bitter cold here on the beach.

[Tarzan]

We COULD pack up and follow all the Hollywood lefties who said they would leave the country if Bush was reelected.

Oh... WAIT... they didn't leave, did they?

But seriously... let's do everything we can to win this. Get out there and win converts (gently) and get Ron Paul in the White House. It won't be the end of our problems... but, I will be the beginning of the end... (to paraphrase Winston Churchill, who was ½ American). Remember, its the VOTES and electoral DELEGATES that count... not any of the other stuff. Become a republican delegate in your state. Let's get the votes and win this thing!

[Ninja Homer]

The revolution has already started, and it will not end even if Ron Paul doesn't get elected. This revolution is bigger than Ron Paul and will continue with or without him. If you can't feel that, you haven't been paying attention.

The worse things have gotten, the bigger the revolution has grown. The idea of restoring liberty has hit critical mass, and the country is waking up.

[Paulite5112007]

Really what the question revolves around is what sacrifices we are willing to make to get what we want. We want liberty - liberty can had in a cabin off-grid in northwestern canada where no one knows you are there. May work for some, others may not want to sacrafice the life they have now for that lifestyle. Nationalism, in most cases, is stupid. Most of us are Americans because we were born here...like we were born short or tall. No choice in the matter - at all. I do not feel any need whatsoever to fight to my death or spend my life fighting for a cause I was born into. It was not my choice to be born here and allow this country to evolve into what we have here while I was a child. I feel no more proud to be an American than I am proud to be tall, or proud I have 5 fingers. These are things i was born into...I made no effort to gain them, hence no pride in them. It is only NOW that I can make choices to be proud of and develop a closer connection to this country by putting my TIME into changing it. Stay to change it or leave. I chose to stay and change it...but I will NOT spend my life in this endeavor when there is another choice.

At some point it becomes apparent I am in the minority and will have a different choice - live in a country/community I am unhappy with and unable to change, or leave.

EDIT: In no way am I telling everyone to up and leave - nonsense. Some people have put more time into this country or have business in this country where a full on war is warrented (like the American Revolution). If I were 40 years old with a business or had spent time changing America for what I believed I am sure I would be MUCH more willing to stay and fight - to my death even. Also, if I were single and were only deciding how to spend MY life, totoally different story. Alas, neither is the case as I am married with two small children who i CAN spare by taking them to a place they dont have to begin fighting against as soon as they are old enough to aim a rifle.

[archemeedees]

We should all move to Texas, secede from the Union, and elect Ron Paul as our new President.

I can't think of a finer group of people to live with. I know you would all leave me the hell alone and let me live my life homeschooling and keeping the fruits of my labors.

[FrankRep]

We should all move to Texas, secede from the Union, and elect Ron Paul as our new President.

I can't think of a finer group of people to live with. I know you would all leave me the hell alone and let me live my life homeschooling and keeping the fruits of my labors.

I love Texas, but New Hampshire is the most effective place for a Libertarian stronghold

http://www.FreeStateProject.org/

[dukker]

milton friedman said, if you want to see the free market in practice, go to Hong Kong. They have by far the most amount of 'economic' freedom, the government practices a policy of positive non-intervention. Any government regulation is assessed on its impact it would have on the operation of the free market.

As such, there are very low taxes and very low regulations on how to run a business. There is also a high degree of religious freedom and freedom of speech.

On the other hand, it is controlled by China, who as yet have not interefered in its domestic policies, but who knows in the future? Also, they have extremely strict drug laws.


I don't live in the US. I'm australian, and I notice New Zealand has popped up a few times. Let me tell you, the US is still a comparitively free nation. Most of all, you have a a culture of individualism that is not really found anywhere else in the world. Why exactly would living in NZ be any better? The personal income tax is higher than what you pay. The NZ federal government has more centralised power (comparatively).

The truth is, there is no country which follows truly libertarian principles. Why haven't we formed our own? I guess its in libertarian nature to not work together.
I think the idea of a libertarian state seceeding from the union is great though. I would move there in a second.

[realitywiz]

Antarctica may not be safe for too long. Not if they start building concentration camps there. The safest bet would be move to another solar system. Unfortunately, I don't know any extraterrestrial friends who can give me a ride. ;)

On a serious note though......

First of all, eventually no matter where we are, the fight will come to us. The New World Order is just that, a plan for global domination. The most scary part is that it would be a techno-tyranny -- with technology that will allow them to find you no matter where you are hiding. But we still have some time.

I do believe that Albert Einstein made a smart move when he moved out of Germany in the 1930s. And there is nothing wrong with moving to another country and setting up base there. It's not about running away. The war for freedom continues. It's just about safety and strategy.

I personally could not abandon my loved ones here though. Either they all come along or I stay here.

I've been to India a while back. Not bad. I mean the weather is scorching hot, but they have great food. :) The BEST mango ice cream I've ever tasted. India also feels a lot free than the United States does. A lot of community spirit too. You should see their protests, they're not afraid to fight. There is a lot of revolutionary spirit there, for they've had to overthrow the British not so long ago. Gandhi, one of the biggest champions of freedom, hails from India. And I don't see Codex happening there!!! Good luck trying to ban Ayurvedic medicine and yoga there.



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[realitywiz]

I would say New Hampshire. :)



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[bootstrap]

Before you decide to stay and fight the useless battle (if Ron Paul does not win), remember that "no paper trail" voting machines controlled by the powers-that-be will utterly dominate voting in the USA after 2008. This is just one reason this is the last chance (or already too late). That people in most states allowed this total destruction of election honesty with barely a peep proves it is too late. And it also proves nobody like Ron Paul has a chance after 2008. If Ron Paul wins, one of our top priorities must be to immediately make paper-trail voting machines the law of the land. If Ron Paul loses, game over.

[Meatwasp]

Andora in Spain.
I live in my own paradise so I would never move. I live 10 miles to the nearest neighbor

[DaronWestbrooke]

Mexico

[aravoth]

I was going to say Finland but.....

Portland Oregon, from what I hear, might be the best place to live in the states should this Government continue on its current path.

Quite the opposite. Portland, at least pound for pound, is more bankrupt than any one country. And the State of oregon doesn't allow people to use there land, unless a quasi governmental body know as the "Metro Council" approves it. Which they don't. Oregon Sucks, and Portland is even worse. The only thing that gives this state any clout are the fact that it's people don't give a crap about anything. But that has it's bad parts also, it's the reason the government here tramples on everyone.

[CurtisLow]

I know you're a new user, but in the future, please post topics like this in the appropriate forum.

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What don't you know about "what ever suits you!"

[Bob Cochran]

I know you're a new user, but in the future, please post topics like this in the appropriate forum.
This rebuke has no merit, ignore it.

[Bob Cochran]

I love my country very much. It will take more than a bunch of dunce neocons nearly destroying us to get me to want to leave.

Still, I could if I had to. Where'd it be? Maybe Canada. Winnipeg Manitoba is similar to the place I grew up.

[Bob Cochran]

For all its flaws, the United States is still the best country to live in, in my humble opinion.
I've held this for a long time, but in all objectivity, I think we get sentimentally attached to our home nation.

As an Army vet who swore to give the ultimate sacrifice, and who has enjoyed the US people and land, and who has prospered here, was born here, was schooled here, raised a family here, my sentimental attachment runs to my core.

But I do know there are other great places to live. I doubt if I'd ever consider them "home", though. I could probably make things work in any of the countries of my ancenstry: Sweden, Norway, Scotland, and maybe one of those places might come to feel like home.

[thuja]

I will not be going back to Norway. how about Figi?

[jjschless]

Move here:

http://freestateproject.org/

New Hampshire

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[Man from La Mancha]

i know my childs safety and future is way more important than anyone else's feelings

so yeah... argentina

After reading all this and past ones, I would have agree with this. It worked for the Nazis and rats like Bush are veiwing as a haven so they might know something.

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