OWS Protesters et al. Win TIME Magazine "Person of the Year" Award!!!

[dannno]

TIME Magazine really hit the nail on the head. The protesters across the globe which helped spur on an occupy movement that is becoming one of the biggest political movements of all time is going to be much more important than most people here think. I guarantee this movement becomes one of the most significant movements in all of history.

In a sense we really have been dropping the ball on this, which is kind of alright because we have been doing a great job of getting Ron Paul more exposure and possibly even win the GOP nomination. That's great, I never intended to take away from this effort and I applaud everyone's work.

However, I don't think most people here realize what is going to be happening in the future. Once we begin securing the nomination, we need to think about the REAL future of our country and the world we live in. Yes, we need to get Ron Paul elected, that should be our first priority. While I am ecstatic we are heading in this direction, it is important that as many people in our movement become more conscious and aware of how the world is shifting around us.

The political arena that we know today is going to start to become less relevant in our lives. What will replace that? I don't know. But the more conscious we as a movement become to what is happening in the world, and the more we are able to shift the new paradigm to one of individual liberty, the better off our children will be.


http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0162fdccacd6970d-600wi

[NewRightLibertarian]

Hopefully these bums fail miserably in their attempt to ruin the last vestiges of freedom in our society.

No surprise that the bankrupt propaganda enterprise Time is promoting them.

[LibertyEagle]

I'm sorry, Dannno. I cannot and will not support those who are there promoting Socialism/Marxism.

[phill4paul]

I give them props. They understand that something is wrong. Like the Tea-Party some get it and some don't. Now that winter is here what will they do? I know what individuals that want true independence from corporate and banking institutions will be doing.

No One But Paul!

[heavenlyboy34]

OWS doesn't really bring anything new or constructive to the debate. Their official statements tell me that they are myopic at best.

[dannno]

I'm sorry, Dannno. I cannot and will not support those who are there promoting Socialism/Marxism.

The vast majority of talk that I hear coming out of OWS has nothing to do with socialism and marxism and has everything to do with our corrupt monetary system.

How many OWS protests have you been to?

[dannno]

Their official statements tell me that they are myopic at best.

LOL, if that is your "official statement" regarding the OWS protesters then I see you as myopic at best... not to mention collectivist.

There is no "official statement" of the OWS protesters. We are the 99%.

[Seraphim]

Overwhelmingly, this.


OWS doesn't really bring anything new or constructive to the debate. Their official statements tell me that they are myopic at best.

[dannno]

Overwhelmingly, this.

What on earth makes you think that there is a such thing as an "official statement" coming out of OWS? That's like an MSNBC viewer saying that Fox News is the official spokespeople for the Tea Party.. Are you really falling for this propaganda??

If ANYBODY here heard the interview from Democracy Now that I referred to in this thread, you would ALL be blown away by the knowledge and intelligence that many of these individuals bring to the table:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?337924-Occupy-Portland-Mom-Places-4-Year-Old-Daughter-On-Train-Tracks-During-Protest&p=3849782&viewfull=1#post3849782


If anybody can dig up the audio of the interview, it would be AWESOME!!

[The Dude]

For as much as people rip collectivism around here, that's pretty collectivist to be writing off OWS simply because a lot of the people there are misguided socialists. There's a LOT of talk about the Fed going on there, just as I'm sure there's plenty of libertarians and anarchists there too. Occupy is a movement of individuals. I'd be there in a heartbeat decked out in RP gear if I could because the movement represents a populist challenge to the corrupt status quo.

[RM918]

I am, and I admit I'm merely being cynical, pretty damn sure OWS is going to be co-opted. There may be a ton of good people in the movement, but I haven't seen any significant actions from them to disabuse the notion that they're trying to petition a corrupt government to fix themselves.

[dannno]

I am, and I admit I'm merely being cynical, pretty damn sure OWS is going to be co-opted. There may be a ton of good people in the movement, but I haven't seen any significant actions from them to disabuse the notion that they're trying to petition a corrupt government to fix themselves.

Most OWS protesters I know don't want to fix the government we have, they want something completely different, and non-tyrannical.

In fact, the way their meetings are setup, they cannot collectively perform any actions or make any statements unless 100% of individuals go along with it. Otherwise they are individuals acting individually.

It ends up acting like a voluntaryist society where nobody is forced to go along with anything just because the majority says so.

Many of them inaccurately refer to the system they are participating in as Democracy, which is kind of ironic, but merely will take a little bit of education for them to see that what they are participating in is the opposite of a Democracy.

[dannno]

bump

[NewRightLibertarian]

Hey, don't judge these people by their behavior (their cult-like repetition of whoever is the 'leader', their blocking legitimate commerce, their repeated calls for big government). Just trust dannno. He is totally with it and knows that these people really have a handle on the issues. He's down there in solidarity with the 99% fighting with them, maaaaan.

[KAYA]

Hey, don't judge these people by their behavior (their cult-like repetition of whoever is the 'leader', their blocking legitimate commerce, their repeated calls for big government). Just trust dannno. He is totally with it and knows that these people really have a handle on the issues. He's down there in solidarity with the 99% fighting with them, maaaaan.

Yeah, the OWS are a bunch of liberty loving do gooders. They share our values, we should stand with them in solidarity.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=MNpvsrBc6rE

I don't know Danno, these guys are clear. They are not libertarians, they are just a punch of pissed off people "who don't like capitalism".

[KAYA]

double post

[KAYA]

I like when the blond kid defends Democrats by asking "do you like weekends", girl answers "yeah, I love weekends" then he and his black friend reply "democrats". It would have been perfect if she would have said "do you like segregation, Jim Crow laws, ponzi schemes? Democrats!".

[ItsTime]

lmao people will forget it even happened by February.

[Flugel89]

Did I miss something?

I checked the poll a few days ago.
Ron Paul was at 14k
Steve Jobs was at 2.3k
OWS was at 1k

[WarNoMore]

Did I miss something?

I checked the poll a few days ago.
Ron Paul was at 14k
Steve Jobs was at 2.3k
OWS was at 1k

Like they'd let the people decide. Ron Paul supporters always crash polls anyway. It's not like Mac users or OWS protesters ever use the internet. It's an unfair advantage that Time Magazine has to rectify by choosing for the people.

[xFiFtyOnE]

When 90% of the 99% stop supporting socialism, I will support them. I know for a FACT that my local Occupy group has been hijacked by people who hate freedom. I am friends (I use that term lightly) with a few of the OWS here and they do no support what we do.

[LibertyEagle]

The vast majority of talk that I hear coming out of OWS has nothing to do with socialism and marxism and has everything to do with our corrupt monetary system.

How many OWS protests have you been to?

I've been by several in my area.

[LibertyEagle]

Yeah, the OWS are a bunch of liberty loving do gooders. They share our values, we should stand with them in solidarity.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=MNpvsrBc6rE

I don't know Danno, these guys are clear. They are not libertarians, they are just a punch of pissed off people "who don't like capitalism".

The public school system at work, no doubt.

These people badly need a logic class.

That is the kindest thing that I can think of to say. Lest I utter a string of curse words that more aptly describe what I think of them.

[dannno]

The public school system at work, no doubt.

These people badly need a logic class.

That is the kindest thing that I can think of to say. Lest I utter a string of curse words that more aptly describe what I think of them.

Watching youtube videos of OWS protesters in my experience is just as bad as watching the mainstream media. Nobody ever records the good conversations in my experience.

I'm glad you've been down to some OWS protests in your area. Were you able to find intelligent people to talk to? Have you witnessed any of their GA meetings?

Check out my new thread:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?338279-Progressives-Amy-Goodman-and-Nomi-Prins-Gut-Obama-Over-Wall-St.-Connections

[Ashhhhh]

Please don't discredit Ron Paul or Libertarians by associating them OWS

[dannno]

Please don't discredit Ron Paul or Libertarians by associating them OWS

lol, you still didn't read my sig...

You're a real funny guy.

One day you will get over yourself.

[LibertyEsq]

OWS is a joke. All I've heard from them is re-distributive progressive socialist nonsense about pitting 99% of the population against 1% of the population

marxist populism.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Watching youtube videos of OWS protesters in my experience is just as bad as watching the mainstream media. Nobody ever records the good conversations in my experience.

LOL yeah, make sure you don't observe the behavior of these cretins otherwise it hurts your bullshit story about how great of a movement this is. You've been seduced by a mob of idiots.

But it's no surprise that a statist propaganda rag like Time is pushing this type of sickeningly stupid behavior. They know that their bosses stand to gain a whole lot more power if this Occupy garbage continues and takes off.

[Jtorsella]

I'm really glad that this forum has woken up about the OWS people. I really don't care what they believe, though all signs indicate they are mostly very left wing or socialist, because we are trying to win a REPUBLICAN primary.

[dannno]

LOL yeah, make sure you don't observe the behavior of these cretins otherwise it hurts your bullshit story about how great of a movement this is. You've been seduced by a mob of idiots.

bold is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.

I haven't been seduced by ANYTHING. I know these people, they are my friends, the people I live with, the people I am around every day.

I observe them almost CONSTANTLY. The only youtubes that are viewed are the popular ones because they come up first in searches. The popular ones are the ones where something controversial or fringe is happening. The good, calm, intellectual conversations are rarely recorded and if they are, would not be popular because they do not create controversy.

[NewRightLibertarian]

bold is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.

I haven't been seduced by ANYTHING. I know these people, they are my friends, the people I live with, the people I am around every day.

Yeah, thats the seduction you're talking about. You feel like you're apart of something big and that has put the blinders on you. You're apart of the 99% and that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.


I observe them almost CONSTANTLY. The only youtubes that are viewed are the popular ones because they come up first in searches. The popular ones are the ones where something controversial or fringe is happening. The good, calm, intellectual conversations are rarely recorded and if they are, would not be popular because they do not create controversy.

The most popular youtubes cannot be discounted just because they go against your narrative of these people being the best thing since sliced bread. No doubt as this mob continues on, they'll only get more ugly with their demands for bigger government. Are you honestly telling me that the vast majority of these Occupiers wouldn't want the government to rob more from the rich to fund themselves and wouldn't want huge new environmental regulations to completely ruin the economy the country to 'save mother Earth'?

[dannno]

OWS is a joke. All I've heard from them is re-distributive progressive socialist nonsense about pitting 99% of the population against 1% of the population

marxist populism.

Ya, see, I haven't heard that at all and I am around them all the time. You are either watching youtubes or going to the wrong protests and focusing on the wrong people.

OWS pits the 99% who have been defrauded by the 1% who are immorally involved with the big banks and corporations that got bailed out. Nothing wrong with that at all. If I knew for a fact that a corporate or bank exec. was responsible for defrauding individuals out of billions of dollars, I would have no problem, say, crashing their pad in the Cayman Islands with some OWS protesters. That residence in the Cayman Islands was stolen from us. I am all for putting these criminals through a court system so justice can be served in a more Constitutional way, but the problem is they control the court system and it is not Constitutional. Right now the only way these people could possibly see any justice for what they've done is through a massive populist movement to force the issue. I don't want to hang them or hurt them physically, but I know for a fact that they stole that much money from the people, then I see nothing wrong with having that property returned. I respect private property, but not if the individual who owns the property stole it.

[dannno]

Yeah, thats the seduction you're talking about. You feel like you're apart of something big and that has put the blinders on you. You're apart of the 99% and that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.


No, what I see happening is something big. I feel more apart of this movement than OWS, but OWS is around me all the time. OWS is necessary, it NEEDS to happen. They need to be educated about some things, as a group, but first they need to care. They need to be angry. Otherwise they are just drones living in the system like everybody else. These people are ten times more evolved than your average American, and they are much closer to being ready for liberty than your average drone.

Your average drone doesn't give a flying fuck about banks or economics, they care about sports and consuming shit.




The most popular youtubes cannot be discounted just because they go against your narrative of these people being the best thing since sliced bread. No doubt as this mob continues on, they'll only get more ugly with their demands for bigger government. Are you honestly telling me that the vast majority of these Occupiers wouldn't want the government to rob more from the rich to fund themselves and wouldn't want huge new environmental regulations to completely ruin the economy the country to 'save mother Earth'?

I haven't personally seen OWS asking for bigger government, I have only seen them wanting the people to have more control over govt. and take away control from the monied interests. I'm sorry, I don't watch mainstream media and I'm not caught up in watching OWS youtubes, I mostly only see what I actually experience at the events.

[NewRightLibertarian]

No, what I see happening is something big. I feel more apart of this movement than OWS, but OWS is around me all the time. OWS is necessary, it NEEDS to happen. They need to be educated about some things, as a group, but first they need to care. They need to be angry. Otherwise they are just drones living in the system like everybody else. These people are ten times more evolved than your average American, and they are much closer to being ready for liberty than your average drone.

They don't look too evolved to me. Forming into a big group and repeating chants mindlessly makes you 'evolved' now? Gimme a break. Maybe they'll block another port tomorrow, then they'll really accomplish something!


I haven't personally seen OWS asking for bigger government, I have only seen them wanting the people to have more control over govt. and take away control from the monied interests. I'm sorry, I don't watch mainstream media and I'm not caught up in watching OWS youtubes, I mostly only see what I actually experience at the events.

That's because you have the blinders on. And you didn't answer my questions. Do you honestly believe that these people wouldn't want the 'rich' to be taxed more by the government? And do you honestly believe that these people wouldn't want more environmental regulations to completely decimate business for 'mother Earth'? I don't think you could answer 'yes' to those questions honestly. But have fun down there with the idiots. Maybe another guy like Eliot Spitzer or Jesse Jackson will come out in 'solidarity' with you guys next week then you can all cheer and hold hands and beat drums or whatever.

[dannno]

They don't look too evolved to me. Forming into a big group and repeating chants mindlessly makes you 'evolved' now? Gimme a break. Maybe they'll block another port tomorrow, then they'll really accomplish something!

You are looking at them from a distance, you know nothing about them personally.




That's because you have the blinders on. And you didn't answer my questions. Do you honestly believe that these people wouldn't want the 'rich' to be taxed more by the government? And do you honestly believe that these people wouldn't want more environmental regulations to completely decimate business for 'mother Earth'? I don't think you could answer 'yes' to those questions honestly. But have fun down there with the idiots. Maybe another guy like Eliot Spitzer or Jesse Jackson will come out in 'solidarity' with you guys next week.

Many of them think that rich people are taxed at a lower rate than the middle class, so of course they think the rich should be taxed more. They are also aware that the rich use government to steal from people, and they are aware of the extent to which that is happening. That is really important.

I believe respecting private property rights in cooperation with the free market would regulate the environment much better than the government who is owned by polluting corporations. So if you are in agreement, then you are in agreement with OWS that the environment is not regulated well enough and there is too much pollution.

[dannno]

Maybe they'll block another port tomorrow, then they'll really accomplish something!


While I don't agree with that tactic, it is certainly attention grabbing for the corporations. Ultimately the consumer pays for it with higher prices and less goods and services. If OWS knew that is what they were doing, maybe they wouldn't do it.

Maybe if we were out there educating them more from the beginning, they would be trying to shut down the government instead.

[NewRightLibertarian]

You are looking at them from a distance, you know nothing about them personally.

The occupiers I know seem to have the same disorder you have. They feel solace with the group and the mob mentality has consumed them. It's pathetic, and they're hard to get through to. It's like they are in a weird cult.


Many of them think that rich people are taxed at a lower rate than the middle class, so of course they think the rich should be taxed more. They are also aware that the rich use government to steal from people, and they are aware of the extent to which that is happening. That is really important.

Yeah, so they support more taxes. Some freedom lovers. But I guess it'll be OK as long as some of the ill-gotten money comes their way. What a bunch of pathetic, selfish scum.


I believe respecting private property rights in cooperation with the free market would regulate the environment much better than the government who is owned by polluting corporations. So if you are in agreement, then you are in agreement with OWS that the environment is not regulated well enough and there is too much pollution.

Yeah, but that's not what your colleagues believe. Good job trying to persuade the 99% against a bureaucracy protecting the government from 'evil business.' But you'll probably capitulate to the demands of this mob since you're already so gung ho for it, no matter how disgusting they become

[All Ways]

what exatly what I understood about the OWS. Remember msm is cherry picking the protester responses just like they did with the tea party.

[MrAustin]

To the OP:

Great post! I get the bigger picture of what you are trying to say. This is not necessarily about OWS. It's about the winds of change. It's about history in the making. It's about beinbg alert and informed and vigilant.

That being said - here's my take on OWS: The establishment keeps hijaking and poisioning our movements! Tea Party was started by us, but that was infiltrated, watered down, and over-run with people who sense that something is wrong but who want to continue to blame the other side of the isle that's why everyone on the left hates the tea party movement now. OWS is the same thing, only it was hijacked and spun to the left. It started out on track, but was stolen by the establishment and transformed into a propaganda machine for liberal.

We have two choices:

1) Figure out a way to start a movement that can't be infiltrated.
2) Keep starting new ones as fast as the old ones go sour.

[Nastynate]

It saddens me to see people discredit an entire movement based on a rowdy vocal few(or majority). You can't base the entire group on them. I'm sure if you go down there you might see a few people that you can agree with, just to paint the socialist brush over them all is very collectivist of you. Why not base them on individuals and not the group of "OWS", as the video points out there was one chick that seems like she was sorta on our side but was too intimidated by the others to really speak her mind. Ron Paul always says judge people as individuals not as groups. When you paint a group that way you're just spouting hatred and ignorance such as i'm sure most of you were mad when the media was reporting the tea party as racist fascists, some could of been possibly but were most of them?

[dannno]

The occupiers I know seem to have the same disorder you have. They feel solace with the group and the mob mentality has consumed them. It's pathetic, and they're hard to get through to. It's like they are in a weird cult.


They are superior to the drones who keep rowing the establishment's boat. The same establishment we are fighting, that they are also fighting.




Yeah, so they support more taxes. Some freedom lovers. But I guess it'll be OK as long as some of the ill-gotten money comes their way. What a bunch of pathetic, selfish scum.


Uh, no, they are tired of the criminals who are profiting from everybody not having to pay the taxes that the people who work hard day in and day out all have to pay.

They are against our military empire, so they are for a significant reduction in spending. Remember that spending levels are much more important than what taxes get thrown where, because we all get taxed one way or another.

[NewRightLibertarian]

They are superior to the drones who keep rowing the establishment's boat. The same establishment we are fighting, that they are also fighting.

They're fighting for the movement that Obama and a large portion of the Democrat establishment supports. So they are hardly fighting the establishment even if many of them have been duped into thinking that they are.

[dannno]

They're fighting for the movement that Obama and a large portion of the Democrat establishment supports. So they are hardly fighting the establishment even if many of them have been duped into thinking that they are.

Bull. Fuckin. Shit.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?338279-Progressives-Amy-Goodman-and-Nomi-Prins-Gut-Obama-Over-Wall-St.-Connections

I don't know ANYBODY who likes Obama anymore, and I knew a lot of Obama supporters back in '08.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Bull. Fuckin. Shit.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?338279-Progressives-Amy-Goodman-and-Nomi-Prins-Gut-Obama-Over-Wall-St.-Connections

I don't know ANYBODY who likes Obama anymore, and I knew a lot of Obama supporters back in '08.

Nomi Prins gets it, that is obvious. Doesn't prove anything about where the OWS movement is headed. They'll mindlessly recite whatever the 'leader' says so it doesn't seem like it'll be hard to co-opt. I've examined propaganda from the Occupy protest in Detroit, and it's all about stopping government cuts. No surprise how the Dems would support it

[ryanmkeisling]

I see a great deal of anger coming from both sides. Everyone within this society is sick of the system its just that there is a lot of confusion. Two sides of the same coin. Some people are just pig headed or have buried their heads in the sand.

What freedom is or means cannot be argued about. It is an idea that has to start within every individual. Many are finding themselves in the midst of that process. It is hard to wake up after you've been asleep for so long. It is a long process.

The big question for me is what will happen if Ron Paul is not able to become the president? Where do we as the Ron Paul movement find ourselves then? What action will we take if any?

This could use some healthy discussion because I see things as being increasingly divided here. There is a great deal of anti-freedom and anti-liberty coercion that goes on even right here on RPF. As things get worse and worse for so many, who is going to help?

We don't want the governments help, we need to help each other and powerful division makes that impossible. I support Danno's example of looking ahead and beyond, as we move forward. The past should stay where it is.

[dannno]

Nomi Prins gets it, that is obvious. Doesn't prove anything about where the OWS movement is headed. They'll mindlessly recite whatever the 'leader' says so it doesn't seem like it'll be hard to co-opt. I've examined propaganda from the Occupy protest in Detroit, and it's all about stopping government cuts. No surprise how the Dems would support it

Nomi Prins probably believes that government should form a better regulatory bill and we should raise taxes, too.. HOWEVER.. if she heard Ron Paul speak extensively on the subject of our monetary system, it would no doubt pique her interest and she might end up fully converted before too long.

BTW, most of the people I know in OWS are about as aware and educated to the level of corruption as Nomi Prins. Some of them are even more educated, I think, as far as the organizational structure of those powers.

As far as Detroit, it seems like the west coast has the best climate for OWS because the typical liberal is not involved in the movement, it is the hardcore political activists who are involved and they aren't attached to any specific party or ideology.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Nomi Prins probably believes that government should form a better regulatory bill and we should raise taxes, too.. HOWEVER.. if she heard Ron Paul speak extensively on the subject of our monetary system, it would no doubt pique her interest and she might end up fully converted before too long.

BTW, most of the people I know in OWS are about as aware and educated to the level of corruption as Nomi Prins. Some of them are even more educated, I think, as far as the organizational structure of those powers.

As far as Detroit, it seems like the west coast has the best climate for OWS because the typical liberal is not involved in the movement, it is the hardcore political activists who are involved and they aren't attached to any specific party or ideology.

I guess we'll see how all of this manifests. If they were themed around 'Occupy the Fed' or 'Occupy the CIA', I'd have a lot more faith in them. But it seems like it's themed at Wall Street because of the anti-business leanings of the movement. And those west coast groups are the ones stopping the legitimate commerce at the ports and the terminals. I just don't get why they would be doing stuff like that unless they were trying to bring down business. I could see the government acting like they're giving in to their demands, pushing a bunch of new regulations as another power grab and maybe throwing some more chicken feed to the saps. The bankers are always happy to have people dependent, and I bet they'd be happy to throw some more taxpayer checks to 'the 99%' while gaining more power over society and sending more jobs out the door.

[dannno]

I guess we'll see how all of this manifests. If they were themed around 'Occupy the Fed' or 'Occupy the CIA', I'd have a lot more faith in them. But it seems like it's themed at Wall Street because of the anti-business leanings of the movement. And those west coast groups are the ones stopping the legitimate commerce at the ports and the terminals. I just don't get why they would be doing stuff like that unless they were trying to bring down business. I could see the government acting like they're giving in to their demands, pushing a bunch of new regulations as another power grab and maybe throwing some more chicken feed to the saps. The bankers are always happy to have people dependent, and I bet they'd be happy to throw some more taxpayer checks to 'the 99%' while gaining more power over society and sending more jobs out the door.

They have never been taught economics so they don't know any better.

I have a college degree in economics, but I didn't really know jack shit until Ron Paul turned me on to Austrian economics.

[Endgame]

bold is ABSOLUTELY incorrect.

I haven't been seduced by ANYTHING. I know these people, they are my friends, the people I live with, the people I am around every day.

I observe them almost CONSTANTLY. The only youtubes that are viewed are the popular ones because they come up first in searches. The popular ones are the ones where something controversial or fringe is happening. The good, calm, intellectual conversations are rarely recorded and if they are, would not be popular because they do not create controversy.

I know that everything the local media was saying about my occupy was pure bullshit to scare suburbanites. I'm inclined to think the same is true of the coverage of other ones as well.

[oyarde]

Time has had some odd picks before , were not some of them Hitler , Stalin & Putin?

[angelatc]

TIME Magazine really hit the nail on the head. The protesters across the globe which helped spur on an occupy movement that is becoming one of the biggest political movements of all time is going to be much more important than most people here think. I guarantee this movement becomes one of the most significant movements in all of history.

In a sense we really have been dropping the ball on this, which is kind of alright because we have been doing a great job of getting Ron Paul more exposure and possibly even win the GOP nomination. That's great, I never intended to take away from this effort and I applaud everyone's work.

However, I don't think most people here realize what is going to be happening in the future. Once we begin securing the nomination, we need to think about the REAL future of our country and the world we live in. Yes, we need to get Ron Paul elected, that should be our first priority. While I am ecstatic we are heading in this direction, it is important that as many people in our movement become more conscious and aware of how the world is shifting around us.

The political arena that we know today is going to start to become less relevant in our lives. What will replace that? I don't know. But the more conscious we as a movement become to what is happening in the world, and the more we are able to shift the new paradigm to one of individual liberty, the better off our children will be.




You're so full of fail here I can hardly believe you're a Ron Paul supporter. For starts, and only for starts, their cover doesn't support your title.


They have never been taught economics so they don't know any better. So a movement led by a bunch of ignorant whiners is going to become *the* most influential in history. God help us.

[Cowlesy]

Time Magazine is trying to become The Onion, but no one can become The Onion.

[dannno]

You're so full of fail here I can hardly believe you're a Ron Paul supporter. For starts, and only for starts, their cover doesn't support your title.

Well maybe you can start by explaining why the title of the thread is not supported by the cover of the magazine, since, well, it clearly is.



So a movement led by a bunch of ignorant whiners is going to become *the* most influential in history. God help us.

They aren't ignorant, they are much more educated about our political and economic system than the vast majority of zombies that we call Americans. Many of them believe in the wrong approach to fixing it, but their primary goal at the moment is to communicate to people the problems with corruption and our monetary system. They don't focus on the solutions, they want everybody to know that the system is screwing us over so everybody can have a say in the solution, the entire 99% including you. At least that is my experience.

[jtstellar]

it doesn't matter.. if situation continues to worsen, it's not gonna be the ows.. it will get swallowed yet again by something bigger, and what you do now in the streets becomes irrelevant yet again, just like what you did with the tea parties.

strategically, it's better to get rp more exposure and try to stop this thing in its tracks.. no, ows isn't gonna 'grow'.. it will get 'swallowed' by more extreme movements at this rate, and you ain't gonna stop it.

you can wish though. gives you a good excuse to have fun with those guys and hang out, if nothing else, if you got so much time on your hands. i don't.

[oyarde]

I like when the blond kid defends Democrats by asking "do you like weekends", girl answers "yeah, I love weekends" then he and his black friend reply "democrats". It would have been perfect if she would have said "do you like segregation, Jim Crow laws, ponzi schemes? Democrats!". LOL , excellent .

[angelatc]

Nomi Prins probably believes that government should form a better regulatory bill and we should raise taxes, too.. HOWEVER.. if she heard Ron Paul speak extensively on the subject of our monetary system, it would no doubt pique her interest and she might end up fully converted before too long.

It's a huge mistake to believe that if everybody will just listen to you, they'll see things your way. (And I believe my post to be somewhat ironic.....)

[angelatc]

Well maybe you can start by explaining why the title of the thread is not supported by the cover of the magazine, since, well, it clearly is.




They aren't ignorant, they are much more educated about our political and economic system than the vast majority of zombies that we call Americans. Many of them believe in the wrong approach to fixing it, but their primary goal at the moment is to communicate to people the problems with corruption and our monetary system. They don't focus on the solutions, they want everybody to know that the system is screwing us over so everybody can have a say in the solution, the entire 99% including you. At least that is my experience.

You said they were ignorant - I just agreed.

And I'm not part of the 99% - get your failed Marxist revolutionary collectivist bullshit away from me.

[angelatc]

it doesn't matter.. if situation continues to worsen, it's not gonna be the ows.. it will get swallowed yet again by something bigger, and what you do now in the streets become irrelevant yet again, just like what you did with the tea parties. strategically it's better to get rp more exposure and try to stop this thing in its tracks.. no, ows isn't gonna 'grow'.. it will get 'swallowed' by more extreme movements at this rate, and you ain't gonna stop it. you can wish though. gives you a good excuse to have fun with those guys and hang out, if nothing else, if you got so much time on your hands. i don't.

Please. It will fold like the anti-war movement, right after Obama is reelected. It's amazing to see how easy it is to fool people, especially people that believe they're utterly incapable of being fooled, because they know the game...LOL! All you need to do is offer 'em a little hope and comraderie, and suddenly they're believing they're the smartest guy in the room.

[oyarde]

Please. It will fold like the anti-war movement, right after Obama is reelected. It's amazing to see how easy it is to fool people, especially people that believe they're utterly incapable of being fooled, because they know the game...LOL! All you need to do is offer 'em a little hope and comraderie, and suddenly they're believing they're the smartest guy in the room. Where did the leftist anti war movement go ? It was the only thing they have ever been right about and it has self proved itself ....

[NewRightLibertarian]

Where did the leftist anti war movement go ? It was the only thing they have ever been right about and it has self proved itself ....

They don't give a shit about wars really, they just want their team to win.

[oyarde]

They don't give a shit about wars really, they just want their team to win. I have come to believe that with the abscence of them....

[TheDrakeMan]

Time has had some odd picks before , were not some of them Hitler , Stalin & Putin?

TIME picks the most influential, not exactly their favorite person/group.