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John F Kennedy III
12-13-2011, 06:55 PM
Confirmed: Fukushima disaster contaminated ocean with 50 million times normal radiation

Leaks still ongoing

Mike Adams,
Natural News
Tuesday, December 13, 2011

Things are suddenly heating up again with Fukushima. As we reported yesterday, the southern wall of Fukushima reactor #4 apparently collapsed over the past few days, calling into question the structural integrity of the remainder of the containment building (http://www.naturalnews.com/034387_F…).

http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2011/10/20110511-fukushima-disaster.jpg

The mainstream media has said absolutely nothing about this development, continuing its pattern of downplaying news involving Fukushima, radiation or the flawed structure of nuclear power plants. This is hardly surprising, given that many of the largest media outlets (such as NBC and MSNBC) are owned by corporations such as General Electric, the designer of many of the world’s nuclear power plants. (http://www.freepress.net/ownership/…)

Photos of the failed structure have emerged on Enenews.com, where a report explains that a once-intact wall is now essentially “missing” and that further degradation of the structure could lead to mass evacuations in Japan (http://enenews.com/report-confirmed…). As this report is still not confirmed by other sources, we continue to take this with a sense of caution here at NaturalNews. We will continue to monitor the situation and report any relevant developments.

50 million times higher radiation levels

What has hit the mainstream media, however, is a report entitledImpacts of the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plants on Marine Radioactivity, authored by Ken Buesseler, Michio Aoyama, and Masao Fukasawa (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021…).

This report, published inEnvironmental Science & Technology, reveals that levels of radioactive cesium reached 50 million times normal levels in the ocean water off the coast of the Fukushima Dai-ichi facility. Even more concerning, the abstract of this paper concludes, “…the concentrations through the end of July remain higher than expected implying continued releases from the reactors or other contaminated sources, such as groundwater or coastal sediments.”

This, of course, contradicts mainstream media reports which for the most part stated that the radiation was “contained” and was not leaking directly into the environment. Only the alternative press has covered the real story on Fukushima, which has now become the worst radiological accident in the history of human civilization.

This same study ultimately concludes that this level of radiation contamination of the ocean is essentially harmless, stating, “…dose calculations suggest minimal impact on marine biota or humans due to direct exposure in surrounding ocean waters, though considerations for biological uptake and consumption of seafood are discussed and further study is warranted.” That’s a conclusion to be viewed with skepticism and caution, of course, as it says on one hand that “it’s no problem” and yet on the other hand, maybe you shouldn’t eat the seafood because we really don’t know what quantity and concentration of radioactive elements may be ingested and concentrated by seafood sources.

Radioactive strontium admittedly leaked into the ocean

Another important development now surfacing is that TEPCO has finally admitted that alarming quantities of radioactive strontium (which has roughly a 30-year half life) have leaked into the ocean — and that the leaks are ongoing!

According to TEPCO, which has repeatedly and deliberately lied to the public in order to downplay any “bad news” about radiological leaks, “26 billion becquerels of radioactive materials” have leaked into the ocean due to the Fukushima accident. (http://www.japantoday.com/category/…)

“This suggests that the releases have not ended, so that is of concern,” said Ken Buesseler from theWoods Hole Oceanographic Institution. “If the contaminants end up in the marine sediments / muds, then they will remain there for decades to come, and thus potentially be of concern for benthic biota and consumers of benthic fish/shell fish, i.e. any local filter feeders near the source waters at the coast.” (http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/int…)

The worst may be yet to come

What’s clear from all this is that:

• The Fukushima facility remains highly unstable and could dramatically worsen, especially if another earthquake or tsunami strikes the area and causes further degradation of the structural integrity of containment buildings which still house nuclear fuel rods.

• The Fukushima catastrophe is, without question, the most massive radiological disaster ever recorded in human history.

• The mainstream media has consistently (intentionally?) downplayed the severity of the Fukushima disaster, perhaps to try to calm fears by denying the true extent of the problem.

• TEPCO routinely and habitually lied about the status of Fukushima during the meltdown and in the days and weeks following that meltdown.

• We therefore cannot rely upon official sources to accurately inform us of the actual status of the Fukushima facility. The risk of being misled by those official sources is very high.

If you want the truth, don’t trust official sources

Under such circumstances, the wise thing to do is stay informed and get prepared in case the Fukushima situation suddenly worsens. Hopefully everyone in North America knows by now that another release of radiation from Fukushima could widely contaminate the West Coast of the United States with radioactive fallout.

Given that government agencies in both the United States and Japan have altered the definitions of allowable radiation exposure limits (http://naturalnews.com/031963_radia…), it hardly seems reasonable to think that these government are erring on the side of caution. In fact, by all accounts these governments are proactively working to downplay the severity of any future radiological event by claiming that levels of contamination previously considered poisoning are now suddenly “within safe limits.”

But within whose definition of safe limits? After all, the U.S. government also thinks it’s perfectly safe for you to drink fluoride, microwave your body at TSA checkpoints, eat genetically modified organisms, get yourself repeatedly injected with chemical adjuvants in vaccines and drink aspartame.

Aw, c’mon. What’s a little radiation on top of all that?


Hyperlinks in original article:
http://www.infowars.com/confirmed-fukushima-disaster-contaminated-ocean-with-50-million-times-normal-radiation-leaks-still-ongoing/

dannno
12-13-2011, 07:13 PM
Well that sucks..

Stevo_Chill
12-13-2011, 07:20 PM
two-headed brahmin
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/18662000/ngbbs49a891d881acb.jpg

Dr.3D
12-13-2011, 07:25 PM
two-headed brahmin
http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/18662000/ngbbs49a891d881acb.jpg

Humm... wonder how one of those would work out in a bull fight?

Edit: Just noticed it is a cow. Guess they would need the male version for that.

flightlesskiwi
12-13-2011, 08:05 PM
i can't hardly bear to hear about Fukushima anymore.

*sigh*

what's worse: since the beginning of the summer my thyroid has been enlarged (due to my hygienist telling me in may and then mentioning it again recently). and it's really started bothering me a lot in the past two months (tired all the friggin' time, more hair loss when brushing my hair, feel like i have something stuck in the bottom of my throat-- to the point of triggering my gag reflex, cold all the time).

i haven't been to a doc yet, and i know this is a stupid reason, but i'm freaked out about them finding something or telling me i'm crazy and nothing is going on.

so, yeah, reading this has me not too happy.

Magicman
12-13-2011, 08:25 PM
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Sunflowers

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Brian4Liberty
12-13-2011, 08:40 PM
Remember all the talk about this being a minor incident? :rolleyes:


• The Fukushima catastrophe is, without question, the most massive radiological disaster ever recorded in human history.

Brian4Liberty
12-13-2011, 08:41 PM
i can't hardly bear to hear about Fukushima anymore.

*sigh*

what's worse: since the beginning of the summer my thyroid has been enlarged (due to my hygienist telling me in may and then mentioning it again recently). and it's really started bothering me a lot in the past two months (tired all the friggin' time, more hair loss when brushing my hair, feel like i have something stuck in the bottom of my throat-- to the point of triggering my gag reflex, cold all the time).

i haven't been to a doc yet, and i know this is a stupid reason, but i'm freaked out about them finding something or telling me i'm crazy and nothing is going on.

so, yeah, reading this has me not too happy.

Go to the doctor. Thyroid problems are easily treatable.

John F Kennedy III
12-13-2011, 10:22 PM
Go to the doctor. Thyroid problems are easily treatable.

This.

Zippyjuan
12-14-2011, 09:21 PM
Any verification? I can't find anything other than repeats of this same story from sites which like to sensationalize things like this. Lates news I can find (article is new- from earlier today):
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10773335

5:30 AM Thursday Dec 15, 2011 Email
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Expand The Unit 4 reactor building of the crippled Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power station in Okuma, Japan. Photo / APJapan is poised to declare its crippled nuclear plant virtually stable nine months after a devastating tsunami, but the facility still leaks some radiation, remains vulnerable to earthquakes and shows no prospect for cleanup for decades.

Prime Minister Yoshihiko Noda said last week that temperatures inside the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant's three melted reactor cores are almost consistently below the boiling point and radiation leaks have significantly subsided two key conditions in a hoped-for "cold shutdown."

Officials say the government is expected to hold a news conference Friday to declare something close to cold shutdown, though experts caution it will be, at best, a tenuous stability. The declaration would mark a step forward for the much-maligned operator, Tokyo Electric Power Co., which has struggled to control the plant after it was damaged in a huge earthquake and tsunami March 11, unleashing the worst nuclear accident since Chernobyl.

"Up until now, this has been the biggest goal," TEPCO spokesman Masao Yamaguchi said. "It would be a milestone."

The announcement is expected to refer to cold shutdown "conditions" less definitive phrasing than a cold shutdown. That's partly because the operator cannot measure temperatures of melted fuel in the damaged reactors in the same way as with normally functioning ones, although the company believes they have reached a stable state.

In any case, experts caution that the progress so far at Fukushima should not be overstated, and that problems could still crop up.


Unit 4's spent fuel pool, which contains the largest number of fuel rods, is the biggest concern because of structural damage to the building beneath it, although TEPCO says it has reinforced the structure. Removal and storage of those fuel rods from pools at four of the reactor units is also part of the next step toward eventual decommissioning.

Another continuing concern is containing radiation leaks.

To cool the reactors, TEPCO has been injecting water into the reactors, which is then leaking out through cracks. The radioactive water has been collected and stored in huge rooms converted into storage tanks before being decontaminated and put back into the reactors as coolant. Officials say the overall volume of contaminated water keeps growing, forcing the operator to keep searching for additional storage space.

Other recent leaks have raised questions about whether the plant really is fully under control. Last week, the utility said that about 45 tons of highly radioactive water had leaked from the plant's water processing system, some possibly leaking into the ocean.

flightlesskiwi
12-14-2011, 10:33 PM
http://vimeo.com/33561652

moderate libertarian
12-14-2011, 10:43 PM
This is far bigger disaster than media had led people to believe.

donnay
12-14-2011, 10:56 PM
Fukushima Radiation Fallout Bigger Than Officially Reported
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/236811.php

Two reports released this month, one focusing on the marine, and the other on the atmospheric impact, find that the radiation fallout from the Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear Power Plant accident following the earthquake and tsunami in March is bigger than that reported by the Japanese government and electrical power company. One researcher says in some respects, the disaster is the most significant nuclear event since Chernobyl 25 years ago.
Marine Impact

In an update of research done since their last report in July, France's nuclear monitor, the Institute for Radiological Protection and Nuclear Safety (IRSN), said on Wednesday that the amount of cesium 137 that leaked into the Pacific from the wrecked power plant was the "greatest single contamination by artifical radionuclides of the sea ever seen".

Their new assessment shows that the amount of cesium 137 that flowed into the Pacific after the disaster was probably nearly 30 times the amount stated by Tokyo Electric Power Company in May, reports Mainichi Japan.

The IRSN estimate that the amount of cesium 137 that flowed into the sea from the power plant between 21 March and mid-July reached 27 peta (10 to the power of 15) becquerels. They also report that 82% of this contamination had reached the sea by 8 April. (1 Becquerel is one radioactive decay per second).

However, in a press summary, they also said that in line with previous assessments, thanks to the siting of the plant, ocean currents have massively diluted levels of the radioactive isotope and moved contaminated waters well out into the Pacific ocean, so that as from Autumn 2011, there will be little if any threat to marine life, except perhaps to near-shore species.

To put this into context, they said that for the Pacific in general, the levels will soon reach about 0.004 becquerels per litre which is about twice the concentration measured duing atmospheric nuclear tests in the 1960s.

High levels of radioactive iodine were also detected, but because this has a half life of only just over a week, it soon reached undetetable levels by the end of May.

Cesium decays much more slowly than iodine: its half-life is 30 years (radioactive half-life is the time it takes for half of the radioactive version or isotope of an element to convert into a non-radioactive isotope). And it is a health concern: it can increase the risk of cancer.

The marine species that are most sensitive to cesium pollution are deep-water fish, fish at the summit of the marine food chain, and "filtrating" species such as molluscs, said the IRSN report.

The IRSN said it was important to keep monitoring the situation, and that there could still be significant pollution of the seawater near the plant because of rainwater runoff from the land.

Atmospheric Impact

Research led by the Norwegian Institute for Air Research (NILU) focuses on emissions of radioactive noble gas xenon 133 and aerosol-bound cesium 137 from the Fukushima Daiichi disaster. The study is published online for open peer review in the Atmospheric Chemistry and Physics journal.

A NILU press statement says the researchers arrived at their estimates by combining a large set of data from Japan and around the world with models that calculate atmospheric transport, together with information and "reasonable approximations on radionuclide inventories and accident events" from the power plant.

Lead author Dr Andreas Stohl, a senior scientist at NILU, said:

"Our calculations are based on about 1000 measurements of activity concentrations and deposition conducted in Japan, USA and Europe. This is the most comprehensive investigation so far. There is no doubt that the Fukushima accident is, at least in terms of the isotopes xenon 133 and cesium 137, the most significant event after the catastrophe in Chernobyl 25 years ago".

For xenon 133, the researchers estimate that the disaster emitted 16,700 peta becquerels into the atmosphere: the "largest civilian noble gas release in history", about two and a half times bigger than Chernobyl, says the NILU press statement.

The researchers say there is strong evidence that the emissions started early in the morning of 11 March, immediately after the big earthquake.

Xenon 133 is not a health concern as such, since we don't ingest it or inhale it, but it is a good indicator for understanding the magnitude of the event, they explain.

Cesium 137, however, is a health concern because of its physical properties and its long half-life.

The NILU statement says Stohl and colleagues found that emissions of the isotope started earlier and ended later than most other studies have assumed.

They estimate the total release to the environment as 36 peta becquerels, which is about 42% of that emitted in the Chernobyl accident.

19% of the cesium fell on land in Japan, and about 80% went into the sea, says the NILU statement.

Stohl told Nature News he thinks the large difference between their estimates and the figures put out by the Japanese government are probably due to the differences in the data sources. The Japanese government relied mainly on the monitoring stations in Japan, which never saw the large amounts of radiation that was blown out to sea and eventually reached North America and Europe.

There was also a public pressure to get figures out quickly, and Stohl said he has some sympathy for the Japanese officials.

And, he cautions that the model he and his colleagues constructed is far from perfect. There were few reliable measures available just after the disaster and some monitoring stations were too contaminated to be regarded as reliabled sources of data.

Also, nobody really knows what really happened inside the reactor, which is important to understanding exactly what they emitted.

"If you look at the estimates for Chernobyl, you still have a large uncertainty 25 years later," Stohl told Nature News.

Written by Catharine Paddock PhD

Dr.3D
12-14-2011, 11:01 PM
Oh goody.. anybody want to get some of those Chinese packed smoked oysters? Might be able to hold a fluorescent lamp over them for light and save electricity.

XNavyNuke
12-14-2011, 11:11 PM
Any verification? I can't find anything other than repeats of this same story from sites which like to sensationalize things like this.

The report referred to can be found here: Impacts of the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plants on Marine Radioactivity (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es202816c) The pdf can be downloaded from here for free.

Free yourself from the hype. Read the actual report, not the journalist cliff notes.

XNN

Zippyjuan
12-15-2011, 03:01 PM
The report referred to can be found here: Impacts of the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plants on Marine Radioactivity (http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/es202816c) The pdf can be downloaded from here for free.

Free yourself from the hype. Read the actual report, not the journalist cliff notes.

XNN

Thank you for the link. That is what I was looking for. Will try to read the whole thing but from the summary:

The data show peak ocean discharges in early April, one month after the earthquake and a factor of 1000 decrease in the month following. Interestingly, the concentrations through the end of July remain higher than expected implying continued releases from the reactors or other contaminated sources, such as groundwater or coastal sediments. By July, levels of 137Cs are still more than 10 000 times higher than levels measured in 2010 in the coastal waters off Japan. Although some radionuclides are significantly elevated, dose calculations suggest minimal impact on marine biota or humans due to direct exposure in surrounding ocean waters, though considerations for biological uptake and consumption of seafood are discussed and further study is warranted.

So far, I am not finding anywhere it indicates that radiation levels got to 50 million times normal.

John F Kennedy III
12-15-2011, 04:20 PM
Thank you for the link. That is what I was looking for. Will try to read the whole thing but from the summary:


So far, I am not finding anywhere it indicates that radiation levels got to 50 million times normal.

Zippyjuan is a Question Troll who tries to push mainstream media sources as factual and accurate and make people think alternative news sources aren't factual and cannot be trusted. He is yet another establishment wannabe, of which there are WAY TOO MANY of on this site.

My ignore list grows even longer.

Zippyjuan
12-15-2011, 06:08 PM
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I was quoting from the report XNavyNuke posted.

The report referred to can be found here: Impacts of the Fukushima Nuclear Power Plants on Marine Radioactivity The pdf can be downloaded from here for free.

Free yourself from the hype. Read the actual report, not the journalist cliff notes.

XNN

Because something is from a non-mainstream source does not necessarily mean it is accurate so I try to verify facts when possible. For myself, I don't consider Infowars or Natural News reliable sources of information. They do contain facts, but present them in an inaccurate manner. How others respond to those sources or the ones I provide is up to them. If you would like to refute any of my posts, you are certainly free to do so. Other opinions on issues are welcomed (at least I hope so- I can't speak for anybody other than myself of course).

I don't post thread after thread copying and pasting entire articles on things. I say why I think what I do and provide sources to support my opinion and I do so in a polite manner. There should be nothing wrong with that.

Magicman
12-15-2011, 08:59 PM
Thank you for sharing your opinion. I was quoting from the report XNavyNuke posted.


Because something is from a non-mainstream source does not necessarily mean it is accurate so I try to verify facts when possible. For myself, I don't consider Infowars or Natural News reliable sources of information. They do contain facts, but present them in an inaccurate manner. How others respond to those sources or the ones I provide is up to them. If you would like to refute any of my posts, you are certainly free to do so. Other opinions on issues are welcomed (at least I hope so- I can't speak for anybody other than myself of course).

I don't post thread after thread copying and pasting entire articles on things. I say why I think what I do and provide sources to support my opinion and I do so in a polite manner. There should be nothing wrong with that.

You must be talking about me. I post AMAZING articles that are genuine and can save lives. The content is what is important not the opinion of someone. It's about education.

How are you polite when you send disingenuine information? You also are a troll, I've encountered so many just like you and it's like I'm debating the same person. I personally treat people with respect but I'm calling you out because I think your the black sheep on this board and others see it too. No respectable Ron Paul supporter would want babies to be given Mercury and then lie to other supporters on this board and tell them it's safe. You also then care so much about proving that something safe like apricots is toxic and are proved wrong, and if you cared so much about toxicity you have never expressed your concern on ACTUAL toxicity in any of your treatments or any of the other sources that I have listed on this website, and you don't care for starters that any other therapies like chemotherapy, vaccines, pharmaceuticals are dangerous. It shows that your trained in school to attack anything that isn't orthodox and supported by the establishment. All of your sources come from the establishment.

You post disingenuine information and you post dangerous information and you use language to confuse people rather then stating genuine sources. The reason you are so polite is because you lack any empathy and they teach you in school not to use ad hominems, also you are terrified to lose an argument and would rather be persistent and lie rather then have good intentions and admit that you were wrong. People that have morals can admit they were wrong. However, people like me treat scumbag eugenicists like you and put you in their place using ad hominems.

You were once trying to tell people on this message board that mercury is safe and you knowingly source other scumbags like yourself who create falsified reports when you know deep down the crap you're spewing is wrong. I'd rather be an asshole who is righteous and unpolite then a disingenuine eugenicist-supporting establishment goons like yourself. The real reason why I'm using ad hominems and insulting you is to draw attention to you so others also see why your very suspicious and have a hidden agenda and it works well.

John F Kennedy III
12-15-2011, 09:34 PM
You must be talking about me. I post AMAZING articles that are genuine and can save lives. The content is what is important not the opinion of someone. It's about education.

How are you polite when you send disingenuine information? You also are a troll, I've encountered so many just like you and it's like I'm debating the same person. I personally treat people with respect but I'm calling you out because I think your the black sheep on this board and others see it too. No respectable Ron Paul supporter would want babies to be given Mercury and then lie to other supporters on this board and tell them it's safe. You also then care so much about proving that something safe like apricots is toxic and are proved wrong, and if you cared so much about toxicity you have never expressed your concern on ACTUAL toxicity in any of your treatments or any of the other sources that I have listed on this website, and you don't care for starters that any other therapies like chemotherapy, vaccines, pharmaceuticals are dangerous. It shows that your trained in school to attack anything that isn't orthodox and supported by the establishment. All of your sources come from the establishment.

You post disingenuine information and you post dangerous information and you use language to confuse people rather then stating genuine sources. The reason you are so polite is because you lack any empathy and they teach you in school not to use ad hominems, also you are terrified to lose an argument and would rather be persistent and lie rather then have good intentions and admit that you were wrong. People that have morals can admit they were wrong. However, people like me treat scumbag eugenicists like you and put you in their place using ad hominems.

You were once trying to tell people on this message board that mercury is safe and you knowingly source other scumbags like yourself who create falsified reports when you know deep down the crap you're spewing is wrong. I'd rather be an asshole who is righteous and unpolite then a disingenuine eugenicist-supporting establishment goons like yourself.

100% truth. BIG + rep for telling it like it is.

Zippyjuan
12-16-2011, 05:02 PM
Obviously we disagree on things.

Zippyjuan
12-16-2011, 05:20 PM
You must be talking about me. I post AMAZING articles that are genuine and can save lives. The content is what is important not the opinion of someone. It's about education.

How are you polite when you send disingenuine information? You also are a troll, I've encountered so many just like you and it's like I'm debating the same person. I personally treat people with respect but I'm calling you out because I think your the black sheep on this board and others see it too. No respectable Ron Paul supporter would want babies to be given Mercury and then lie to other supporters on this board and tell them it's safe. You also then care so much about proving that something safe like apricots is toxic and are proved wrong, and if you cared so much about toxicity you have never expressed your concern on ACTUAL toxicity in any of your treatments or any of the other sources that I have listed on this website, and you don't care for starters that any other therapies like chemotherapy, vaccines, pharmaceuticals are dangerous. It shows that your trained in school to attack anything that isn't orthodox and supported by the establishment. All of your sources come from the establishment.

You post disingenuine information and you post dangerous information and you use language to confuse people rather then stating genuine sources. The reason you are so polite is because you lack any empathy and they teach you in school not to use ad hominems, also you are terrified to lose an argument and would rather be persistent and lie rather then have good intentions and admit that you were wrong. People that have morals can admit they were wrong. However, people like me treat scumbag eugenicists like you and put you in their place using ad hominems.

You were once trying to tell people on this message board that mercury is safe and you knowingly source other scumbags like yourself who create falsified reports when you know deep down the crap you're spewing is wrong. I'd rather be an asshole who is righteous and unpolite then a disingenuine eugenicist-supporting establishment goons like yourself. The real reason why I'm using ad hominems and insulting you is to draw attention to you so others also see why your very suspicious and have a hidden agenda and it works well.

No, I wasn't referring to you with that comment.

A scumbag and a eugenicist, eh? That sounds like polite discourse.