If No Ron Paul Nomination - Obama Gets a Second Term

[Lothario]

This is a very real threat, and I know it's been said before, but it's just pure mathematics. If Ron Paul is not the Republican nominee, he will have perhaps the largest ballot write-in in history...write-ins from eligible voters whom the GOP desperately needs for any hope at defeating Obama. Of course, this is not to mention the recent polls that show Obama is handily defeating every GOP candidate in a hypothetical matchup - except for Ron Paul who is currently tied with him.

I think this threat must reach the top of headlines - knowledge of this threat must be at the forefront of the average voters mind.

Obama is mathematically guaranteed re-election if Ron Paul is not the GOP nominee.

I've personally made the threat to neocons - saying I cannot compromise principles and morality, and I apologize, but if Ron Paul is not the GOP candidate, Obama will absolutely get a second term, because I will not, nor will millions of others ever support any alternative to Ron Paul. It's a predicament you must logically consider when you go to the ballot box.

What can we do as a collective movement to instill this threat?

[Anti Federalist]

No One But Paul

[Xenophage]

It's not just us, man. Ron Paul does best with independents. He polls even with Obama and everyone else loses to Obama. It should be clear to anybody that has a clue that Ron Paul is the most popular American politician right now and would win a huge victory over Obama and outflank him on every issue.

No other candidate can beat Obama, that's a simple fact.

[Xenophage]

I wish I knew how to communicate this better to the average voter. Call in to talk shows and make this point. Post it on forum threads.

[Xenophage]

WHATEVER YOU DO: DO NOT *THREATEN* GOP VOTERS by saying "We're only going to vote Paul" because they will take it as a big "FUCK YOU."

Simply state facts and polling data. Paul does BEST with independents, and has the BEST shot at beating Obama. Nobody else has a chance.

[Lothario]

Yea but saying "Paul will do the best" is significantly weaker than saying "Obama's reelection is a mathematical certainty against anyone but Ron Paul."

It's not a personal threat as an FU. It's just stating the reality of the psychology of millions of potential voters.

In my opinion, this threat must be as bluntly clear as possible. The Republican Party cannot mathematically win without Ron Paul's supporters - and Ron Paul's supporters will only vote for Ron Paul. It's the logical, unbiased, unemotional reality of the situation. No matter what your principles are - if you do not vote for Ron Paul, Obama will be reelected...so neocons must determine the lesser of two evils.

[Kylie]

It could be seen as a "FUCK YOU" because that's precisely what it is.

I became a republican SOLELY for Ron Paul. I will not vote for any of the others, not bacause I worship RP, but because he is the only one who holds the same priciples as I. He happens to be running on the republican ticket, and that is the sole reason for me going in that direction. I am not alone in this, and I am not the only one who will abandon the repubs if they decide to nominate someone other than Paul.

Is it a threat? You bet your ass it is. We are all in this time, because this is the end game. If he does not get elected, I have a feeling we wont get another election. So I'm betting the farm on this one.

Your with us, or we disappear from your roster. We will not fold, and you cant call our bluff.....cause we arent bluffing. We are dead friggin serious.

[JoshLowry]

Kylie, it's not a fuck you.

It's math.

Ron Paul has the best selling points to beat Obama.

No other GOP candidate will be able to pull in Independents and Democrats like Ron Paul.

That's how you defeat an encumbant. You offer something different.

Drug policy, monetary policy, and foreign policy. Those are the big three. Liberty, prosperity, and peace.

Paul or bust.

[Anti Federalist]

Liberty, prosperity, and peace

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.

[Tod]

How about instead of personalizing it, just pointing out that many, maybe most Paul supporters would probably either write him in or not vote and many Independents and Blue Republicans would probably vote for Obama if Paul were not the nominee, and as a consequence, Paul has THE BEST chance of defeating Obama. Don't reveal what YOU would do.

[Kylie]

Oh, but they do take it as an FU. Theyve told me as much. Tow the line, play the game, and we will dangle this carrot out in front of you all while we destroy the country. I take that as an affront to my sensabilities. I am not an imbecile. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.

I will not play their game, and if that means giving them a middle finger in the form of a write in vote for RP, then so be it. I will not vote for evil, even when it is the lessor of two.

Im all in for RP. What they do with that is their business.

[Tod]

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.

Sadly, you are probably right on at least the Liberty part of it. Prosperity is probably pretty popular as long as it is in the form of a handout or doesn't require too much work. Peace is probably a mixed bag; trouble is, the war is too far removed from many people for them to be too concerned about it.

[Peace&Freedom]

Yea but saying "Paul will do the best" is significantly weaker than saying "Obama's reelection is a mathematical certainty against anyone but Ron Paul."

It's not a personal threat as an FU. It's just stating the reality of the psychology of millions of potential voters.

In my opinion, this threat must be as bluntly clear as possible. The Republican Party cannot mathematically win without Ron Paul's supporters - and Ron Paul's supporters will only vote for Ron Paul. It's the logical, unbiased, unemotional reality of the situation. No matter what your principles are - if you do not vote for Ron Paul, Obama will be reelected...so neocons must determine the lesser of two evils.

It's no longer "we must not threaten the GOP." They must no longer threaten US. A revolution means the current order is to be replaced by a different one. We aren't going to replace the establishment if we keep cowering, especially if they are still belt-whipping us. The point of saying "or Obama gets a second term" is to interest the rank and file voters still duped by the two party paradigm.

The actual reality is that both we, and the party leaders know the puppet show is a fiction, it doesn't matter whether Barry or Newt-Romney win, we'll get the same drug war, fed debt, and empire regardless. But to change the political scenery, we must learn to cause the establishment pain. IF the plan was to replace the Obama puppet with a Republican one, let's upset that apple cart. Do we really want Newt for 8 years?

[Dianne]

Obama licking his chops for a Gingrich win. You better believe they have a lot more dirt on Gingrich then we do.

A way to strike a nerve with millions is to remind them that Gingrich is responsible for the housing bubble and the 9 to 10 million homes that have been forclosed. But he got is 1.6 million in blood money.

No one but Paul !!

[Xenophage]

Oh, but they do take it as an FU. Theyve told me as much. Tow the line, play the game, and we will dangle this carrot out in front of you all while we destroy the country. I take that as an affront to my sensabilities. I am not an imbecile. Screw me once, shame on you. Screw me twice, shame on me.

I will not play their game, and if that means giving them a middle finger in the form of a write in vote for RP, then so be it. I will not vote for evil, even when it is the lessor of two.

Im all in for RP. What they do with that is their business.

Sigh.

They'll take that FU and throw it right back at you by refusing to support Paul, guaranteeing the scenario you're talking about. Is that your goal, to ensure us a loss? Remember that most people are not rational, and it's hard enough to get them to act rationally without telling them to fuck off. LOL!

You're either ruled by your emotions or you're going to play smart to win.

Do not make them think we're spiting the republican party. Simply bring up the facts. Ron Paul can beat Obama, but everyone else is virtually guaranteed to lose.

[Seraphim]

This is exactly why Gingrich is the media darling. TPTB want Gingrich to win the nomination...so that Obama and the Dems can maul the hell out of the Repub ticket.

Paul is the only one who is different...and KNOWS what's up. Obama would go TIGHT with Ron Paul. It would be the real world version of Rocky vs Apollo Creed.

Obama SLAUGHTERS just about every other Repub potential.

Have you noticed how OBSCENELY fast the last few Presidents have aged? I mean, DURING their Presidency. Look at Bush in 2000 and then 2008. 8 years he appears to have aged nearly 2 decades. Obama? 3 years in and has sprouted greys like weeds, looks like he's aged almost a decade in 3 years.

The Fascist Dictatorship is wearing itself out.

Paul is the PERFECT choice. For everyone, except a few Shit Hawks.


Obama licking his chops for a Gingrich win. You better believe they have a lot more dirt on Gingrich then we do.

A way to strike a nerve with millions is to remind them that Gingrich is responsible for the housing bubble and the 9 to 10 million homes that have been forclosed. But he got is 1.6 million in blood money.

No one but Paul !!

[unknown]

No question.

Ron Paul has solid double digit support. Once a person is exposed to Ron Paul, most people dont measure up let alone politicians. Dont see how these people could vote for Obama or one of his clones in Newt or Mitt.

[The Free Hornet]

Obama licking his chops for a Gingrich win. You better believe they have a lot more dirt on Gingrich then we do.

And the media that trips over itself to promote Newt will turn on a dime were he to get the nomination. I look forward to replays of that Connie Chung interview with Newt's parents (re: Newt thinking Hillary is a bitch and now she is more popular than Obama and Bill C himself did better than Obama or the Bushes). That will go over really well :rolleyes:.

[PreDeadMan]

If ron paul doesn't get the nomination i hope obama wins just to spite the stupid republicans they don't deserve to win for putting up more of the same garbage.

[Kylie]

Sigh.

They'll take that FU and throw it right back at you by refusing to support Paul, guaranteeing the scenario you're talking about. Is that your goal, to ensure us a loss? Remember that most people are not rational, and it's hard enough to get them to act rationally without telling them to fuck off. LOL!

You're either ruled by your emotions or you're going to play smart to win.

Do not make them think we're spiting the republican party. Simply bring up the facts. Ron Paul can beat Obama, but everyone else is virtually guaranteed to lose.

I get what youre saying. And thats why i dont run for office and most of the time dont open my mouth. I am terribly crass, and have been playing their game for twenty years.

Now, well now, their not just fucking with my future, but theyre fucking with my childrens. I dont take kindly or play nice with people who screw with my kids. I am a mom, and we tend to get emotional when it comes to our babies. So you go be the nice guy and try to reason with them, and when it doesnt work, then come get me and ill unleash hell on their asses.

Work for you? :)

[Working Poor]

IMO the GOP would rather see Obama win than Ron Paul

[Philhelm]

If ron paul doesn't get the nomination i hope obama wins just to spite the stupid republicans they don't deserve to win for putting up more of the same garbage.

I'm feeling the same way. As much as I hate Obama, it irks me that people think that replacing him will solve everything. Also, it would probably be better to endure Obama for four more years than some other shitbag like Newt or Romney for (most likely) eight. If Obama wins again, we could at least consider putting another liberty candidate in the race for 2016 (hint: Hannity likes him and he's...like a son to Ron).

[heavenlyboy34]

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.
Ditto. All those thing imply responsibility and some degree of morality-scary to a lot of people (especially the personal responsibility part).

[Anti Federalist]

Ditto. All those thing imply responsibility and some degree of morality-scary to a lot of people (especially the personal responsibility part).

Thanks.

I was waiting for someone to pull the "hypocrite card" as I often make comments about unbridled prosperity.

Of course I have nothing against prosperity, but when endless, mindless consumption, strictly for consumption's sake, is used as an anodyne to dull the pain of lost liberty and blind you to what is happening all around you, then I have do an issue with it.

Especially when it's "false prosperity" bought on bad credit, worse money and inflating bubbles.

[showpan]

An Obama win is a Bush 4th term.

[Philhelm]

An Obama win is a Bush 4th term.

Anyone but Paul is essentially a Bush 4th term, for the most part.

[Cleaner44]

No One But PAUL!

[newbitech]

Voting for anyone but Paul is basically telling "the troops" to fuck off. Am I wrong?

I want war to end. I want lies to end. I want government expansion to end.

The only way any of that happens, and the only way to honor the sacrifice that every single American has made since 9/11 is to put a man in the office who represents the bedrock foundation of our country.

[ronpaulitician]

1. Paul
2. Johnson
3. Obama
4. Gingrich/Romney

[Lothario]

If Obama wins again, we could at least consider putting another liberty candidate in the race for 2016 (hint: Hannity likes him and he's...like a son to Ron).

For me, there is no next time. If Ron Paul isn't in the White House, all of my time, energy and resources will be devoted to voluntaryism and the complete elimination of government. I will never again validate their system by voting in hopes of having another man give me permission to exercise the rights that are inherently mine by virtue of my own humanity. Everytime we ask them for permission, the fundamentally immoral system of government is validated. The game of politics (and authority), as Larken Rose put it, is the most dangerous superstition ever created on earth. Ron Paul is the last straw for me - after this election, I will permanently abandon the game of politics, and I will never again be a co-conspirator in perpetuating that myth. In 4 years, I won't care who the candidates are, or how "liberty-minded" any one of them is - any supporter of government will become my enemy, just as anyone on the street is who supports the initiation of force, threats and violence against me.

Sorry to be so callous - but I'm done with the charades. The mythical system that gives Newt Gingrich the facade of value cannot be allowed to exist any longer.

[anaconda]

Yea but saying "Paul will do the best" is significantly weaker than saying "Obama's reelection is a mathematical certainty against anyone but Ron Paul."

It's not a personal threat as an FU. It's just stating the reality of the psychology of millions of potential voters.

In my opinion, this threat must be as bluntly clear as possible. The Republican Party cannot mathematically win without Ron Paul's supporters - and Ron Paul's supporters will only vote for Ron Paul. It's the logical, unbiased, unemotional reality of the situation. No matter what your principles are - if you do not vote for Ron Paul, Obama will be reelected...so neocons must determine the lesser of two evils.

Romney has polled ahead of Obama in multiple polls. Let's not forget that there is a large anti-Obama psychology across the land.

[american.swan]

I'm fairly convinced the average American really wants none of those things.

I think so. The average American needs money and a job to get it to them. That will happen under Paul. Not under Obama or anyone else.

[anaconda]

IMO the GOP would rather see Obama win than Ron Paul

For sure.

[mikeforliberty]

Kylie, it's not a fuck you.

It's math.

Ron Paul has the best selling points to beat Obama.

No other GOP candidate will be able to pull in Independents and Democrats like Ron Paul.

That's how you defeat an encumbant. You offer something different.

Drug policy, monetary policy, and foreign policy. Those are the big three. Liberty, prosperity, and peace.

Paul or bust.

lol its not math for kylie its:


dead friggin serious

It is for me too Kylie I've only been a voter for 5 years and a Republican for all of it. I keep being told that I'm not a conservative because I don't support the endless wars, the Patriot Act, and I don't care if gays want to get married or not. Message received. If Newt or Romney are conservatives but Ron Paul isn't then I'm not either and I'll register Independent and spend the rest of my days throwing my vote away. I think there are a lot of 18-30 year olds of conservative parents saying the same thing as me now days. The Republican party will either embrace us and change their ways or they will grow smaller and smaller as they die off and the libertarian vote swells.

[dillo]

honestly if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination and Obama gets reelected I think it would be better than if Newt, or Mitt were president

-Enough people are pissed and the senate is going to be deadlocked, the house will have a republican majority
-Wont be able to pass a bunch of bullshit, economy will recover by itself
-Good until the next bubble bursts

[KingRobbStark]

Ron Paul or go home. Simple as that.

[bolidew]

Everyone know McCain was not the best against Obama but GOP nominated him anyway.

Math doesn't work magic in politics.

[bolidew]

Ron Paul or go home. Simple as that.

Nothing wrong about it, as long as yourself can take the "intended" consequence.

[wyldstallynz]

honestly if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination and Obama gets reelected I think it would be better than if Newt, or Mitt were president

-Enough people are pissed and the senate is going to be deadlocked, the house will have a republican majority
-Wont be able to pass a bunch of bullshit, economy will recover by itself
-Good until the next bubble bursts

This

In my eyes, and other peoples too, there is essentially no difference between the likes of Obama, Gingrich, Perry, or Romney. If blow hard, ignorant republicans are dumb enough to think that some big government socialist with an R beneath his name is an impovement over Obama, then why half ass it??? Go ahead and go full retard with the big government socialist with a D under his name. At least if Congress ends up being largely Republican, there could be deadlock between them and a dem president. A republican Congress would just be cheerleaders for a republican president that pushes for big govt/ socialism.

[newbitech]

what is interesting to me is that we essentially had the same set of circumstances occur in 2008. Ron Paul was the only candidate from either party running as a conservative.

Of course, the big fear then was that Obama was so weak on foreign policy, the war on terror, blame America first, negotiating with enemies, etc etc..

In 2008, the GOP lurched and decided that the primary campaigns would be all about who could seem like the biggest bully with the excuse that America needed to stay the course, remain vigilant, honor the sacrifices of and protect the troops.

Of course, all the while America was saying, it's the economy stupid! Unfortunately, the party line core GOP base had the same attitude that war at any cost was in the best interest of America. Those folks were sold hook line and sinker that the path to prosperity was to create huge freedom stealing bureaucracies like DHS/TSA via the patriot act, and expand the war effort through various surges and expeditionary campaigns that surrounded Iran.

Everyone knew in 2008 that the idea of replacing Bush with another GOP status quo stereotypical candidate was not going to happen. Yet the GOP and the people running trotted out that exact type of message, except for our candidate, Dr. Paul.

This was not by mistake IMO, this was designed. We knew that Dr. Paul had the same message that the majority of American's THOUGHT they were electing when they punched Obama's ticket. WE ALSO KNEW that only Dr. Paul would deliver on that message and that in reality, Mr. Obama was the same status quo stereotypical candidate that the majority feared handing over power too.

In 2010, it was pretty clear that America had already realized they were tricked. The focus quickly turned to the economy as the aftermath of the 2007 economic disaster started to be realized. Those shock waves ripped through the first half of Mr. Obama's term, and low and behold, here comes the GOP again tooting a different horn.

The trickery of the America body politic continues as it has for decades. The soothsayers and snake oil salesman cannot come up with original ideas any more. Demand for their product is dwindling, but is still strong enough to fund their ever more invasive, deceptive, violent, and corrupted schemes to help them gorge on the minds of their countrymen for a few more months.

The country is faced with the same dilemma, in fact core GOP party base voters are pressed even more to realize their mistake in 2008. Will these voters and people who call themselves independent American's continue to flip and flop around like fish out of water? Will these folks, our friends, neighbors, co-workers, and family continue to remain willfully ignorant of, and smugly uninterested in the people who have the power to change their lives over night?

I hope not.

The message that Ron Paul brings is gathering momentum. The idea that Ron Paul can win is not strange to people unless those people are still in their fox holes hiding from 9/11 terrorists.

Those people will come out to vote and it is likely that the propaganda that is keeping them from pulling their heads out of the sand will also keep them from embracing those ideas.

So my conclusion. If Ron Paul's ideas are not embraced by the vast majority of people in this country, it doesn't matter WHO wins the election.

I said last time around that if Ron Paul didn't get the GOP nod, then I'd rather see Obama win, so that the GOP would be taught a lesson. I don't think that worked out too well. I'll say the same thing this time. If Ron Paul doesn't get the GOP nomination, I HOPE that Obama wins.

And not because I think Obama is better that whoever gets up there. THEY WILL BE THE SAME RESULTS. I just hope that more of the fence sitters will fall over to Ron Paul's ideas, and more hard core war monger types (like I was) will get up on the fence.

[osan]

It's not just us, man. Ron Paul does best with independents. He polls even with Obama and everyone else loses to Obama. It should be clear to anybody that has a clue that Ron Paul is the most popular American politician right now and would win a huge victory over Obama and outflank him on every issue.

Precisely why "they" must stop him at almost any cost. Just consider how well he did in the debate the other evening. Then consider the timbre of the coverage. It was minimized both in terms of time and of the grudging tone so very reminiscent of damning with faint praise. The talking heads were doing what they could to mitigate the impact of Ron's performance. He basically mowed the field flat. Had Mittens or Skink done similarly, the heads would not have been able to shut up about it. Hell, they would have done the same even for Bachmann... but never for Ron and that is so indicative of just how badly they want him out. I will not go so far as to agree that they are "scared". I think it is more that he stands to retard the agenda for the capitulation of the American people to globalism. Ron Paul is the ultimate party pooper for these vermin and in their minds he MUST be stopped.


No other candidate can beat Obama, that's a simple fact.

I am thinking this is so because if other RP supporters are like me, they will be writing in his name even if he does not run independently. That is a HUGE chunk of the anti-Obama vote split off. The rocket surgeons at the GOP should be realizing this and buying the clue. But given how rigged this system appears to be, it would not surprise me a bit to find that the real GOP agenda may be to walk away from this one rather than let RP win. Beneath the appearances I am confident that Republican and Democrat are reach-around buddies - at least at the highest levels of the parties. Since the common goal is the upward usurpation of power, they have nothing to gain by being at odds with each other and everything to gain through collusion beneath the superficial tete-a-tete by which they provide distractive entertainment to the wad. If it looks like Ron will be it in terms of voter preference no matter what they do, I am reasonably certain that they will defer to Obama for another four years, to take their turn in '16. Better than than let Ron in.

Ron Paul represents that which must be avoided at any cost because he threatens to illuminate the truth to the American people. I believe they would go so far as to assassinate him shamelessly before they would allow themselves to sustain such a blow.

[TC95]

Unfortunately, a lot of Republicans think that Mickey Mouse could beat Obama, so they think that they can just put any old neocon up against Obama and Obama will be beat by a landslide.

[Seraphim]

The Main Stream media clowns and the GOP are starting to realize that RP is probably the only one who can knock Obama off. Even Fox is playing **nicer** with RP.

[Anti Federalist]

Exactly.

No One But Paul


Precisely why "they" must stop him at almost any cost. Just consider how well he did in the debate the other evening. Then consider the timbre of the coverage. It was minimized both in terms of time and of the grudging tone so very reminiscent of damning with faint praise. The talking heads were doing what they could to mitigate the impact of Ron's performance. He basically mowed the field flat. Had Mittens or Skink done similarly, the heads would not have been able to shut up about it. Hell, they would have done the same even for Bachmann... but never for Ron and that is so indicative of just how badly they want him out. I will not go so far as to agree that they are "scared". I think it is more that he stands to retard the agenda for the capitulation of the American people to globalism. Ron Paul is the ultimate party pooper for these vermin and in their minds he MUST be stopped.



I am thinking this is so because if other RP supporters are like me, they will be writing in his name even if he does not run independently. That is a HUGE chunk of the anti-Obama vote split off. The rocket surgeons at the GOP should be realizing this and buying the clue. But given how rigged this system appears to be, it would not surprise me a bit to find that the real GOP agenda may be to walk away from this one rather than let RP win. Beneath the appearances I am confident that Republican and Democrat are reach-around buddies - at least at the highest levels of the parties. Since the common goal is the upward usurpation of power, they have nothing to gain by being at odds with each other and everything to gain through collusion beneath the superficial tete-a-tete by which they provide distractive entertainment to the wad. If it looks like Ron will be it in terms of voter preference no matter what they do, I am reasonably certain that they will defer to Obama for another four years, to take their turn in '16. Better than than let Ron in.

Ron Paul represents that which must be avoided at any cost because he threatens to illuminate the truth to the American people. I believe they would go so far as to assassinate him shamelessly before they would allow themselves to sustain such a blow.

[CanadaBoy]

Ron Paul should be careful when he says that any GOP nominee can beat Obama.
He should make it clear that only he can defeat Obama.