Will media push Perry after Gingrich?

[Polskash]

From the latest Fox News coverage pushing Perry, and Gingrich starting to get hit hard, I think this is going to happen. Perry will be the conservative alternative to Romney. This will happen relatively fast with perfect timing, just in time for the caucuses. Discuss.

[trey4sports]

Perry is done.

[TheTexan]

Perry is done.

Same was said for Gingrich. It could happen, don't underestimate him.

[chris41336]

Perry is finished. He gaffed WAY too much, and have you seen his most recent ad?

I think Huntsman would be their final stand. Perry would only be their new pump if they REALLY just wanted Obama to win.

[Bruno]

Don't count anyone out, and don't underestimate the ability of the media to raise the dead. See McCain and Gingrich as examples.

[69360]

Perry is texas toast.

The general public views him as dumber than a box of rocks. You can't fix stupid.

[tbone717]

I doubt it - it is tough for someone to rise, fall and then rise again. I cannot recall anyone in recent years that has done so successfully.

[TheTexan]

Perry is finished. He gaffed WAY too much, and have you seen his most recent ad?

I think Huntsman would be their final stand. Perry would only be their new pump if they REALLY just wanted Obama to win.

No, they won't give Huntsman a chance. I agree that he's a better candidate than the rest of them, but I think any support that comes to him now is too little too late.

[chris41336]

Don't count anyone out, and don't underestimate the ability of the media to raise the dead. See McCain and Gingrich as examples.

I think that the difference is that people genuinely see Perry as stupid. Not Bush folksy stupid either, but legitimately stupid. I don't think you can recover from that. The other two was more just lack of organization and money, both of which can be compensated with Media coverage.

[neverseen]

Perry is not done. He's being pushed in FL. Some Tallahassee guys bought 200 tickets to the straw poll next week for perry supporters. Local word in my area is that they are pushing perry. FL could be a catapult for him (somehow... possibly... i guess?)

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?335398-Pasco-straw-poll-next-week.-TAMPA-BAY-FL/page2

[trey4sports]

I think that the difference is that people genuinely see Perry as stupid. Not Bush folksy stupid either, but legitimately stupid. I don't think you can recover from that. The other two was more just lack of organization and money, both of which can be compensated with Media coverage.


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[Polskash]

Crap, I went brain dead posting this. Can a Mod fix the grammar fail in the title?

[anaconda]

From the latest Fox News coverage pushing Perry, and Gingrich starting to get hit hard, I think this is going to happen. Perry will be the conservative alternative to Romney. This will happen relatively fast with perfect timing, just in time for the caucuses. Discuss.

Why should they? It doesn't matter to them if Obama wins the election. As long as the nominee is not Paul, they can breathe a sigh of relief.

[Carole]

Probably, today he could not remember Sotomayor's last name, so he called her Motomayor and he thinks there are eight Supreme Court Justices. :rolleyes:

Who is that uninformed?

[chris41336]

Personally, I think that this isn't four months ago. Once Gingrich starts to decline, we will see Paul's support consolidate in Iowa as long as we keep pushing. Everyone who is sticking with GIngrich as the "ANti-Romney-but-also-anti-Paul" will start to either come to our side, or see that he is the only hope to beat Obama.

[anaconda]

Crap, I went brain dead posting this. Can a Mod fix the grammar fail in the title?

Don't worry about it. We know what you were saying. I didn't even notice it, actually, until you pointed it out. The eye just kind of skips over it.

[rich34]

We can't count out any establishment candidate. Newt is obviously at the top of the list, but Perry is also up there as well and I wouldn't put it past the establishment to try and pull something like this off. Remember back in 2004 John Kerry came into the Iowa caucus in like 3rd or I think actually 4th place with Howard Dean dominating and then all of a sudden BOOM Kerry out of no where and the rest is history. We gotta be prepared to hammer them all!

[Exponent]

I just noticed on Google Trends that Perry got a big bump yesterday in web searches. I understand he released his ad, but still, that looks unnaturally large for just a new ad.

Google Trends: Paul, Romney, Perry, Gingrich, Bachmann (http://www.google.com/trends?q=ron+paul%2C+mitt+romney%2C+rick+perry%2C+ newt+gingrich%2C+michele+bachmann&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=mtd&sort=0)

[James Madison]

The elite want Obama to stay in office. Running Perry or Gingrich would ensure this.

[Maximus]

I just noticed on Google Trends that Perry got a big bump yesterday in web searches. I understand he released his ad, but still, that looks unnaturally large for just a new ad.

Google Trends: Paul, Romney, Perry, Gingrich, Bachmann (http://www.google.com/trends?q=ron+paul%2C+mitt+romney%2C+rick+perry%2C+ newt+gingrich%2C+michele+bachmann&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=mtd&sort=0)

It already holds the record for most dislikes on a video other than a Bieber video. This was catastrophically bad.

[Carole]

So Perry is a complete idiot. He cannot debate at all because he is brain dead. No way can the people support him as a candidate.

At first, I thought they were pushing Gingrich and pumped him up in the polls in order to get the voters so scared of him and his liberal leanings that they would then welcome Romney as their saviour thinking him the more conservative alternative. (And continue to hold back the Paul onslaught.)

Then it backfired, and the voters think Gingrich is more conservative than Romney, the "most" conservative if you will. The voters are so stupid they think because Gingrich is reputed to be "smart" and bs's his way in the debates, that he is a great debater and therefore, can defeat Oblahma in a debate.

They threw Cain overboard on unproven sexual harassment charges, yet they totally disregard that Gingrich actual was promiscuous and a cheater along with all his other baggage, of which apparently the voters are completely unaware or have forgiven him.

Damn, my head just spun around, fell off and plopped onto the floor.

"For crying out loud, this was not supposed to happen." (thinks the GOP). Now what do we do?" Guess we"ll have to push Santorum or Huntsman." "Even Bachmann." Anyone but Paul!!!

I don't know. Probably I have it all wrong, but who the heck would have thought Gingrich and his baggage at this point? Who the heck would have though McCain at 6% at this time in Iowa in 2007?

Somebody rescue me here. I am totally dumbfounded. I shall draw straws tomorrow. :D :rolleyes:

[ctiger2]

It wouldn't matter anyhow. The only person who can beat Obama is Ron Paul.

Besides, Rick Perry is already in office, he goes by the name of Barack Obama.

[specsaregood]

I think Huntsman would be their final stand.

you think they are gonna give the evangelicals their anti-mormon choice as another mormon? lol that'd be worth watching.

[Steppenwolf6]

A far as "reincarnations after grinch deflates" are concerned right now ..they don't now who the hell to go for :
"Perry or Bachmann..Bachmann or Perry..uuhmmm they are both flawed ,unprepared ,ignorant and weak..but WHO KNOWS..let's give them a new pair of pants ,a new slogan or something.. what a hell..people are stupid they don't know anything and they buy anything!
Of course they wil lose against Obama but they can beat Ron Paul in the primaries between the republican flock,that's what counts".

And they are partially right.
Many people are blinded and deeply hypnotized.

[row333au]

Or this could be a major disinfo.... so Ron Paul supporters are given phantom menace to divide their energy against the clear and present danger to create confusion in pouring all their energy over at someone so expose that his least of the threat to stealthily sneak in for the coup....

[InTradePro]

Partly because Gingrich is so weak and people just don't like him.

Also because Perry has money to spend and it gets him some attention.

[Carole]

Absolutely, the elite and the Congress actually would like just that. The GOP would be happy with the split Congress, or even better, to lose the gains they made in 2010 in order to destroy the conservative movement that put those original "tea party" canididates into office. After all, they have had to spend two whole years hijacking the Tea Party and neoconning those that can be converted. All that effort must not go to waste. The sooner they are gone, the better and good riddance they are thinking. Then things can get back to "normal" as they spend us into oblivion.

By the way, just as I suspected when they were first elected, Scott Brown-RINO and a liberal (it was obvious as he avoided the Tea Party 100% as he campaigned. I still recall how he shifted his head rather than discuss the TP). Marco Rubio-RINO and almost liberal; he fooled the voters, too. Makes me sick to hear so many calls to make him the VP selection.

[danbeaulieu]

I think the elites have influence but they aren't magical. The builderbergs picked Perry but Perry is a complete moron and America rejected him. I think romney will walk away with the nomination, he'll lose to Obama and we'll have to keep up the good fight.

[smithtg]

crazy michelle is still out there....

[J_White]

did u see the recent Perry Strong ad ? how could he possibly win the general election. Only Huntsman is left now to prop up when Newt falls.
We need to win Iowa and have a strong showing in NH.
Are you a Paulunteer ? Are you doing Phone from Home or going Door to door ?
thats what matters now.
Please do whatever you can, its the last few weeks.

[Polskash]

Or this could be a major disinfo.... so Ron Paul supporters are given phantom menace to divide their energy against the clear and present danger to create confusion in pouring all their energy over at someone so expose that his least of the threat to stealthily sneak in for the coup....

This is sort of my thinking too.

[jax]

Not a chance. No way they would want to send perry up against obama. Perry is a horrid devator and would have to do just that 1v1 obama who happens to be a very good debater. The only republican that could outdebate obama is ron paul.

Obama is good with words and persuasive, but paul is amazing and spitting out pure facts that will leave obamas head spinning. He's also much more down to earth and likeable.

[The Free Hornet]

Perry is getting a bump - like it or not. My Fox News Channel (on the Roku player - don't pay for TV via satellite/cable!) had two or three Perry-pimping clips when normally they just have Gingrich and Romney (prior to Cain, Perry, Bachmann...). However crazy, Perry is still on their radar. This could be good, all the hot air behind Newt needs to go somewhere.

The world has reached Peak Newt and we will never have as much Newt as we used to.

[wowrevolution]

Yes, their next move is to push Perry again. They will spam us with how the debates humbled him and how he is just not good in large audiences and then all of the Bush drones will say how brilliant he is and how well he connects with them.

Need to double down on him and take him out for good.

Here is how, hold a straw poll in Texas and then embarras him with Paul cleaning his clock.

[chris41336]

Methinks that some people are trying to distract us from Gingrich...

In all seriousness, we can't attack down and give Perry attention in that case. Tear Gingrich down.

[Todd]

if Newt fails look for Bachman or Santorum to rise from the crypt

[Feelgood]

Isnt it Santorum's turn next?

And Bachmann already was floated and was a lead balloon. :) Even Randy Travis couldnt carry her.

[wowrevolution]

Perry is teaming up with Jeb and the Bushes. Be careful he is going to try and come in under the radar. He is not done and we would be foolish to not anticipate a second wind from Perry. He is after all, the Bilderberg boy.

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

Probably, today he could not remember Sotomayor's last name, so he called her Motomayor and he thinks there are eight Supreme Court Justices. :rolleyes:Yes, except he actually called them judges instead of justices. Fox reported on it a few times today and played the video. If they intend to push him, they are doing a bang-up job of it. :p

[69360]

Perry is teaming up with Jeb and the Bushes. Be careful he is going to try and come in under the radar. He is not done and we would be foolish to not anticipate a second wind from Perry. He is after all, the Bilderberg boy.

There is well known long standing bad blood between the Perry and Bush camps. This will never happen.

[Paul4Prez]

I expect Santorum to get the next surge of support -- not sure why he hasn't already. He has the standard talk radio conservative warmonger stance on every issue. I guess it's just his appearance and demeanor, or fear that he would have no chance with independent voters in the general election.

Maybe Pawlenty should have stuck around...

[specsaregood]

the fact that santorum lost by almost 20% in his last election doesn't help him.

[AlexG]

I expect Santorum to get the next surge of support -- not sure why he hasn't already. He has the standard talk radio conservative warmonger stance on every issue. I guess it's just his appearance and demeanor, or fear that he would have no chance with independent voters in the general election.

Maybe Pawlenty should have stuck around...

Santorum isn't going to surge, he's destined at 1-4%. He's running at the wrong time, people aren't looking for a social conservative they want a fiscal conservative. He's the kind of guy that could win after 8 years of a successful Repub presidency. Not the guy you want when we're in an economic downturn.

If these debates go well for Perry, I expect him to get a minor boost in Iowa but settle in 4th place and fade out from there

[Polskash]

Bump for non-night owl opinions.

[Polskash]

I love how some mod is acting like a child and moved this thread from the grassroots forum to this one which isn't relevant at all.

[wowrevolution]

Not nearly as bad as between Paul & Bush camp. Enemy of my enemy.

[bbartlog]

Perry also has enough money to buy some serious ads. But actually, it works for us for now, because he's drawing from much the same base as Gingrich (look at the Iowa polling crosstabs if you don't believe me). Old folks, or people easily swayed by content-free feel-good advertising, or people who are easily convinced by a few bullet items that suggest a successful record. His ability to pull potential supporters from us is small *so long as he doesn't win anything* (obviously we don't want him to benefit from any bandwagon effects).

[bbartlog]

He's the kind of guy that could win after 8 years of a successful Repub presidency.

I don't think he's going to win any elected office ever again. Being a Senator for a little while seems to have convinced him that he could just let his outlandish opinions run wild. He lost his re-election bid, *as a senatorial incumbent*, by a margin of 59-41 (%). Do you have any idea how mindblowing a margin like that is, in this context? Normally an incumbent senator would have to be convicted on child porn charges or something similar in order to get ejected with such force.

[MikeM39]

The media wants to push Perry but he keeps screwing it up for them. :p

[ronpaulitician]

Nah, after Gingrich, there is nobody to push.

Gingrich didn't make a real comeback. He was never really a frontrunner. Those that at one point in time were ahead of the pack but have since fallen behind will not make a comeback. They fell behind for a reason.

This is also the reason I don't expect Gingrich to truly implode: the GOP voters who don't like Romney will continue to see Gingrich as their last hope. It's up to us to slowly but surely put Paul in second position. An Iowa win (or at least a very close second) will help, but the next few states will be just as important.