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devil21
12-09-2011, 04:28 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/12/09/tea-party-leaders-rand-paul-wrong-on-newt-gingrich?msg=1



Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul's media blitz bashing former House Speaker Newt Gingrich as unworthy of Tea Party support isn't hitting its mark, at least not among leaders of the Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, and Tea Party Nation.

"I want people to go out there and work for who they believe in," says Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer, who says she or any individual shouldn't dictate who people in the movement ought to vote for.

"These people are intelligent. They're not just sheeple that are following somebody," Kremer says, adding that Tea Partyers haven't coalesced behind one candidate yet. "They are looking at the issues; they're researching."

Paul, Texas Rep. Ron Paul's son, was elected on a wave of Tea Party support and is often considered a quintessential Tea Party senator. But the movement is not a monolithic organization, and it's unclear how much of an impact Paul's words will have—particularly when he is involved in his own father's campaign.

[Check out a roundup of political cartoons on the Tea Party.]

He hit the campaign trail hard for his dad today with back-to-back interviews on CNN and Fox News, all discussing his op-ed in the Des Moines Register and attacking Gingrich.

"If the Tea Party is to continue the work we resolved in 2010 to undertake," Paul wrote, "then we must not make a giant leap backward by electing big government, status quo Republicans like Gingrich in 2012."

Gingrich's sins, according to the younger Paul, include earning money from mortgage giant Freddie Mac, backing an individual healthcare mandate, and supporting the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP.

[Read about Gingrich's plan to stay positive despite attacks.]

But Gingrich has a few Tea Party leader endorsements under his belt, including from Tea Party Nation founder and CEO Judson Phillips, who gives the former speaker leeway on what some conservatives see as his past mistakes. "Newt Gingrich is not perfect, but he is head and shoulders above the best candidate in the field right now," he says.

Besides, there is no perfect candidate, Phillips adds. "What, are we going to have a purity test?" he asks. "If we're going to have a purity test for president, then guess what? We just might as well sign up for four more years of Barack Obama, because nobody's going to be pure enough."

[Check out political cartoons on Obama.]

Tea Party Patriots cofounder Mark Meckler agrees with Paul that Gingrich is not a "Tea Party" candidate based on his past, but he agrees with Phillips that there is no perfect candidate.

Meckler says the Tea Party is a movement of self-governance, which means he is critical of all politicians. "Self-governance means we don't trust any of them. I don't trust Republicans; I don't trust Democrats," he says, pointing out that Gingrich and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney both believe they know the answers to the complex problems facing the nation.

"The problems facing the nation—just as one example, in healthcare—are just too vast to be solved by any national solution," Meckler says. "And it's, in my opinion, arrogant to think that somebody can."

In fact, Meckler says the act of saying someone is worthy or unworthy of Tea Party support—as Paul is doing—falls in the same category. "I'm not qualified to speak on behalf of every Tea Partyer in the nation. Nobody is," he says. "To me, that would be the same kind of arrogance that these folks exhibit in saying they know what's best for every American."


I agree with the sentiment that people should vote (informed) for whoever they want but I see some serious hypocrisy in these same self-appointed "Tea Party Leaders" then publicly endorsing particular candidates. You can't have it both ways.

AlexG
12-09-2011, 04:33 PM
I hate how people founded the Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, and Tea Party Nation so that they could become the "leaders of the Tea Party." Those groups have nothing to do with the Tea Party yet they leach money and exploit the real Tea Party

hammy
12-09-2011, 04:35 PM
There's no pure candidates... really?

Can someone please explain to me, for I really don't understand, is why the tea party seems to stay away from Ron Paul... when Ron Paul created the Tea party? :toady:

harikaried
12-09-2011, 04:36 PM
They basically said.. there's no pure candidate, so we'll just ignore the top issues for the Tea Party like TARP and individual mandates and just go with Gingrich.

specsaregood
12-09-2011, 04:36 PM
tea party leaders say there are no leaders of the tea party. lol

Sola_Fide
12-09-2011, 04:38 PM
But Gingrich has a few Tea Party leader endorsements under his belt, including from Tea Party Nation founder and CEO Judson Phillips, who gives the former speaker leeway on what some conservatives see as his past mistakes. "Newt Gingrich is not perfect, but he is head and shoulders above the best candidate in the field right now," he says. Besides, there is no perfect candidate, Phillips adds.

"What, are we going to have a purity test?" he asks. "If we're going to have a purity test for president, then guess what? We just might as well sign up for four more years of Barack Obama, because nobody's going to be pure enough.

Uh...yeah. We are going to have a purity test. You should of thought about purity and consistency before you started supporting your chubby Rockefeller liberal in front of your Tea Party friends.

This Judson guy is a complete hack.

swissaustrian
12-09-2011, 04:39 PM
I hate how people founded the Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, and Tea Party Nation so that they could become the "leaders of the Tea Party." Those groups have nothing to do with the Tea Party yet they leach money and exploit the real Tea Party
Gotta love the (unintended) irony in the following quote:

"These people are intelligent. They're not just sheeple that are following somebody," says Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer

Immortal Technique
12-09-2011, 04:43 PM
tea party leaders say there are no leaders of the tea party. lol

lol exactly

thehungarian
12-09-2011, 04:43 PM
"These people are intelligent. They're not just sheeple that are following somebody," Kremer says, adding that Tea Partyers haven't coalesced behind one candidate yet. "They are looking at the issues; they're researching."

Ohhh, the lulz

Brian4Liberty
12-09-2011, 04:44 PM
Let's face it, the false Tea Party people that support Newt are neo-conservatives. They don't really care about Newt's big spending, big government socialism. He supports TARP, Cap and Trade, Medicare Part B, Individual Mandates, Keynesian Stimulus, Federal Dept of Education, and so on, yet they still support him.

This is their moment. This kind of press release, at this point in time, is the reason why they disguised themselves as Tea Party people in the first place.

muzzled dogg
12-09-2011, 04:45 PM
Damn this

devil21
12-09-2011, 04:46 PM
That article needs more comments.

69360
12-09-2011, 04:46 PM
These "leaders" look like fools today. Rand viciously tore down the Grinch all over TV and they can't defend the Grinch's past at all.

Rand seriously dropped a huge truth bomb on the teaocon "leaders"

airborne373
12-09-2011, 04:46 PM
I checked out Newt Gingrich's political positions and found out its worse than Senator Paul says.

Gingrich is a BIG GOVERNMENT statist. (http://www.newtexposed.com/)

bluesc
12-09-2011, 04:48 PM
Rand really stuck his neck out for Ron on this one.

Polskash
12-09-2011, 04:49 PM
All this Tea Party bullshit needs to be dropped. The elites successfully hijacked that movement. Why exactly they targeted it isn't immediately clear to me. Perhaps they perceived it as an unacceptable wildcard that could have spun out of control and so they decided to kill it while it was still young? It's time to come to terms with this fact and start over...

Sola_Fide
12-09-2011, 04:49 PM
Let's face it, the false Tea Party people that support Newt are neo-conservatives. They don't really care about Newt's big spending, big government socialism. He supports TARP, Cap and Trade, Medicare Part B, Individual Mandates, Keynesian Stimulus, Federal Dept of Education, and so on, yet they still support him.

This is their moment. This kind of press release, at this point in time, is the reason why they disguised themselves as Tea Party people in the first place.

Yeah.

Liberty74
12-09-2011, 04:51 PM
Many of these so called Tea Party people and their groups are FAKE just like Gingrich is a FAKE conservative. They apparently stand for NOTHING. They are not principled whatsoever. Hence, they are part of the freaking problem. Let's vote for someone just for more of the same crap. Pure idiots more like it.

wizardwatson
12-09-2011, 04:54 PM
Question, who was actually elected by the "Tea Party" (if such a thing actually exists)....

Rand Paul or these "Tea Party leaders". Tea Party leaders weren't elected by the tea party, Rand was, therefore Rand has more credibility than anything these leaders have to say imo.

Sola_Fide
12-09-2011, 04:55 PM
They basically said.. there's no pure candidate, so we'll just ignore the top issues for the Tea Party like TARP and individual mandates and just go with Gingrich.

Yeah, its like "We are the tea party. We came into existence as a reaction against TARP and Obamacare. Since no candidate can be perfect, we are now going to support someone who supports TARP and Obamacare."

If I don't quit facepalming, I am going to knock myself unconscious.

Occam's Banana
12-09-2011, 04:56 PM
"I want people to go out there and work for who they believe in," says Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer, who says she or any individual shouldn't dictate who people in the movement ought to vote for.

"These people are intelligent. They're not just sheeple that are following somebody," Kremer says, adding that Tea Partyers haven't coalesced behind one candidate yet. "They are looking at the issues; they're researching."
IIRC, this Amy Kremer is the same twit who announced in an interview a while back that the "Tea Party" would support the Republican nominee - regardless of who it was.
If so, that's about as "sheeple" as you can get without eating grass & growing a wool coat.

specsaregood
12-09-2011, 04:56 PM
These "leaders" look like fools today. Rand viciously tore down the Grinch all over TV and they can't defend the Grinch's past at all.
Rand seriously dropped a huge truth bomb on the teaocon "leaders"

And he has been everywhere, I don't think anybody saw it coming. People knew he would get involved; but he just came out in a fury.

maxoutco
12-09-2011, 04:57 PM
All this Tea Party bullshit needs to be dropped. The elites successfully hijacked that movement. Why exactly they targeted it isn't immediately clear to me. Perhaps they perceived it as an unacceptable wildcard that could have spun out of control and so they decided to kill it while it was still young? It's time to come to terms with this fact and start over...


Hopefully the grassroots don't get hijacked in the same way. :eek:

Sola_Fide
12-09-2011, 05:00 PM
And he has been everywhere, I don't think anybody saw it coming. People knew he would get involved; but he just came out in a fury.

Like a Kentucky hurricane! Well, something like that...:)

Valli6
12-09-2011, 05:05 PM
Can't remember where I read it but a bunch of these people just met with Gingrich for a private meeting this week, Wednesday or Thursday? I distinctly recall that the phony Amy kremer was in on it , along with one or more of the professional "Tea Party" groups. They said that they were very impressed with him. Looks pretty clear that they intend to come out as newt supporters. :mad:

Maybe Rand needs to comment on people like Amy Kremer and the other late-comers to the tea party? Wasn't Kremer & friends originally some kind of political consulting group? And I believe Judson Phillips is the one that charged $500 for tickets to his "First tea party convention" and paid Palin a huge sum to speak at it. He pissed a lot of people off but everyones already forgotten about it.

(searching for article now....)

Tod
12-09-2011, 05:09 PM
I posted the following on Tea Party Patriots facebook wall a few hours ago. Got 5 likes



Tod Mills (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1648938205) If the Tea Party gives up its principles of limited government and fiscal conservatism in order for the GOP to win the White House, then they have lost even more than they have if they stick to their principles and lose the election, because they have lost their very soul. ~ Tod Mills (lol)6 hours ago · Like · https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif 5 (https://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=284460348256094)

Someone else posted this and got 10 likes



Aaron Ewert (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1414336765) If you must compromise, do it in the direction of liberty, rather than big government more unnecessary war and the status quo.....vote ron paul 20126 hours ago · Like · https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif 10 (https://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=284461168256012)

69360
12-09-2011, 05:13 PM
I think this is a great strategy. If it put the teaocon "leaders" in full damage control mode, you know it's working. Rand bypassed them and spoke directly to the people. I know the tea party was hijacked. Maybe Rand can steal it back for this election.

Sola_Fide
12-09-2011, 05:15 PM
Exactly. That is what we need to be telling these establishment TP folks. If you are going to comprise, do so in the direction of liberty. Ron Paul is not perfect on every issue to you, but if you are going to compromise anyway, why wouldn't you compromise toward the Constitution?

Valli6
12-09-2011, 05:22 PM
Here's something on the private meeting with Gingrich. Yeah, real tea party!:rolleyes::mad:

"At the end of the day, people are going to have to decide what they can live with," said Amy Kremer, the Tea Party Express chairwoman.

She was among the group of conservatives that grilled Gingrich during a private two-hour meeting in Washington on Wednesday over his busy post-congressional consulting career, a potential liability as the Republican base yearns for an outsider.

"It wasn't a walk in the park for him," Kremer said, adding that the free-wheeling discussion touched on Gingrich's discipline as a candidate, his support for climate change legislation and his acknowledged marital infidelity.

But, she said, Gingrich's frank responses — he says he is chastened and more disciplined than before — turned some skeptics.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ihUxZOa0JMy60j-dbEEZoBgNQbKg?docId=e86a58c2d4f847209f1cbfa72ad70d 74

unknown
12-09-2011, 05:36 PM
Nothing biased about this link in the article:


[Read about Gingrich's plan to stay positive despite attacks.]

Who are these nobody's?

Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer

Tea Party Nation founder and CEO Judson Phillips

Tea Party Patriots cofounder Mark Meckler

CEO? The "Tea Party" has a CEO?

Valli6
12-09-2011, 05:37 PM
(Washington Times Wednesday, December 7, 2011)

Courting conservatives in a closed-door meeting Wednesday, Republican presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich said he would ask former U.N. Ambassador John R. Bolton to be his secretary of state should he win the White House.
Hours later he repeated that vow publicly to the Republican Jewish Coalition, winning a round of applause.

Promising to seek out Mr. Bolton’s help is one way Mr. Gingrich tried to convince conservatives that he would be trustworthy on their issues, and it comes as most of the Republican presidential field looks to take a harder line on the possibility of Iran getting nuclear weapons.

Promising to seek out Mr. Bolton’s help is one way Mr. Gingrich tried to convince conservatives that he would be trustworthy on their issues, and it comes as most of the Republican presidential field looks to take a harder line on the possibility of Iran getting nuclear weapons.


Attending the meeting, arranged by Richard A. Viguerie, president of ConservativeHQ.com, won points for Mr. Gingrich with the about 70 conservatives who attended, some of whom said they were impressed he spoke and took questions for two hours.

“The fact that he asked for that meeting and asked Richard to put that meeting together — he understands the value of that movement,” said Amy Kremer, head of the Tea Party Express, who took part in the meeting.

One questioner asked Mr. Gingrich how he could assure conservatives he would be trustworthy, which is when he replied that he would tap Mr. Bolton...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/7/gingrich-john-bolton-will-be-my-secretary-state/

Feeding the Abscess
12-09-2011, 05:38 PM
(Washington Times Wednesday, December 7, 2011)

Good catch, man. + rep for sure.

Diashi
12-09-2011, 05:42 PM
This might create some good strife in the self-proclaimed Teaocon ranks, because what Rand is saying is right, and it will challenge the convictions of those in the hijacked movement who see Rand as a true defender of the party's original values.

icon124
12-09-2011, 05:42 PM
Oh my......................

I need to get the hell out of this country FAST. These people are complete F-ing idiots. How do they expect us to fall for this crap?

The Tea Party was SPECIFICALLY formed because of TARP and Obamacare. Those are the two major, major, MAJOR supporting issues behind the Tea Party, but yet it's okay to vote for a republican that is behind BOTH.

I think I could accept it if they just came out and said you know what we like this stuff and so what. Instead of pretending they are against it...Hypocrites

This country is full of people with no brain, no soul, and definitely no heart.

unknown
12-09-2011, 05:48 PM
The Tea Party Express (http://www.teapartyexpress.org/)


The Tea Party Express is proud to stand for six simple principles

* No more bailouts
* Reduce the size and intrusiveness of government
* Stop raising our taxes
* Repeal Obamacare
* Cease out-of-control spending
* Bring back American prosperity

Tea Party Nation (http://www.teapartynation.com/)

Cant really see anything unless you sing up. Makes perfect sense for a group which is supposed to promote liberty and freedom.

Tea Party Patriots (http://www.teapartypatriots.org/)


The Tea Party movement spontaneously formed in 2009 (lie) from the reaction of the American people to fiscally irresponsible actions of the federal government, misguided “stimulus” spending, bailouts and takeovers of private industry.

Safe to say that they are against Obamacare, TARP, stimulus, big government and run away spending.

And they like Gingrich why?

ZanZibar
12-09-2011, 05:50 PM
I hate how people founded the Tea Party Express, Tea Party Patriots, and Tea Party Nation so that they could become the "leaders of the Tea Party." Those groups have nothing to do with the Tea Party yet they leach money and exploit the real Tea PartyTPX was exposed long ago as a front group for the Republican Party.


Nothing biased about this link in the article:



Who are these nobody's?

Tea Party Express Chairman Amy Kremer

Tea Party Nation founder and CEO Judson Phillips

Tea Party Patriots cofounder Mark Meckler

CEO? The "Tea Party" has a CEO?

This Judson guy is a complete hack.
Do some research on Judson Phillips on this Forum. Just type in his first name and you'll learn a lot about him heh. :D

malkusm
12-09-2011, 05:53 PM
Remember the early days of the Tea Party, when so many groups said things like this?


We are a non-partisan group of concerned Americans who believe the US Constitution is being ignored, overstepped, and decimated by a government that is out of touch and out of control.

"We're non-partisan, but we want clout in the GOP. And we HATE Obama. So what if the guy we elect has a past that says he doesn't know the meaning of Constitutional restraint? He's electable, and after all, this isn't a purity test. Right...?"

evilfunnystuff
12-09-2011, 05:59 PM
I loved that he broke this on Hannity yesterday. I'm also impressed with how many places he was on today, and his delivery was great.

Valli6
12-09-2011, 06:13 PM
Video of Kremer being interviewed about the CNN debate from September 13:
http://foxnewsinsider.com/2011/09/13/tea-party-express-chair-amy-kremer-reacts-after-gop-presidential-contenders-square-off-in-debate-says-michele-bachmann-came-out-on-top/#more-75792


"What concerns us a little bit was, obviously, you know, Ron Paul, Congressman Ron Paul and how he feels about 9/11 and that it's our fault, and I mean, and that was just… the audience didn't like that at all last night. :mad:
This is the debate where a young guy asked, “out of every dollar that I earn, how much do you think that I deserve to keep?” Paul wasn't permitted to answer, but during the interview Kremer is asked what she thinks the answer should be, and she's too clueless to come up with any kind of answer at all.

minusbear
12-09-2011, 06:16 PM
Gingrich has nothing to do with the Tea Party.

He attacked Paul Ryan's plan... who didn't even cut enough.

He supported global warming both with Pelosi and with his 2007 book "A Contract With The Earth."

He supported TARP & and the bailouts.

Now, somehow he is against all those things... just like Mitt.

Valli6
12-09-2011, 06:22 PM
Friday Dec. 9:

Tea Party Express joined as a sponsor Thursday and urged Republican candidates to participate.
“We are proud to join with Newsmax and other conservative organizations as a sponsor of this debate,” Tea Party Express Chairwoman Amy Kremer said. Kremer described Newsmax as “an indispensable part of the conservative media that keeps voters informed of the critical issues facing America.”
By the way: :rolleyes:

Likewise, Palin urged Republican presidential candidates on Wednesday to take part in the debate, saying: "I think candidates should not be afraid in front of the nation no matter who the host of the debate is,” Palin said. “What is a bit appealing about this idea of Trump hosting a debate is, consider the diverse audience that perhaps he can attract. It's important that independents and those who are not obsessed with inside-baseball partisan politics, which is most of us, we'd like to hear more of the message of each one of these candidates and perhaps Donald Trump will be able to attract a diverse demographic that maybe has not been as interested in this horse race thus far."
xxx.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-debate-obama-gingrich/2011/12/09/id/420482

Bruno
12-09-2011, 06:25 PM
Project Co-opt Tea Party complete.

acptulsa
12-09-2011, 06:30 PM
There's no pure candidates... really?

Can someone please explain to me, for I really don't understand, is why the tea party seems to stay away from Ron Paul... when Ron Paul created the Tea party? :toady:

Um, 'cause you're confusing the Tea Party with the heads of the organizations funded by the corporations and self-appointed to speak for the Tea Party and tell the popular movement how to think? You know, the ones like Amy Kremer, who is paid by corporate donors to say things like, 'I want people to go out there and work for who they believe in,' rather than listening to those who would dictate to them who to vote for. Yeah, those hypocrites.

LibertyEagle
12-09-2011, 06:37 PM
Calm down, folks. We've known for a long time that Tea Party Express was established by beltway insiders, for the sole purpose of trying to have sway over the groundswell American movement.

Judson Phillips is a self-appointed "leader" of Tea Party Nation and represents no one.

Mark Meckler of the Tea Party Patriots really wasn't with the above two; read it again. And even if he was, these are just 3 people, out of millions. Rand got the message out to a lot of people yesterday. They will judge for themselves whether Gingrich is what they really want.

Rand Paul did a great job yesterday. Smile, people. Today is a new Phone-from-Home day and doing that is how we win. :)

seapilot
12-09-2011, 06:38 PM
All I have to say is a name Benedict Arnold for the lot of them that think Newt is a realistic candidate, nothing but turn coat fake big govt sellouts. I have more respect for big government socialist than these hacks.

kill the banks
12-09-2011, 06:44 PM
Hopefully the grassroots don't get hijacked in the same way. :eek:

a grassroots if you can keep it notwithstanding a tea party if you can keep it ... it is our watch

LibertyEagle
12-09-2011, 06:47 PM
It is maybe THREE people. That is all. Far from everyone in the tea party.

Geez people, come on.

MikeM39
12-09-2011, 06:51 PM
All this Tea Party bullshit needs to be dropped. The elites successfully hijacked that movement. Why exactly they targeted it isn't immediately clear to me. Perhaps they perceived it as an unacceptable wildcard that could have spun out of control and so they decided to kill it while it was still young? It's time to come to terms with this fact and start over...

True, Fox News became the voice of the Tea Party and they turned the movement into a bunch of big government simpletons whose core issue is just hating Obama. This shouldn't be surprising though because everything Fox touches turns to stupid.

wgadget
12-09-2011, 06:54 PM
This story is just PROOF that the Tea Party as founded by Ron Paul has been hijacked.

MikeM39
12-09-2011, 07:01 PM
It is maybe THREE people. That is all. Far from everyone in the tea party.

Geez people, come on.

No, that's not accurate, the new Tea Party is flooded with Neocons, my father is Tea Party and he thinks Ron Paul is a secret liberal trying to destroy the GOP. The Rupert Murdoch/Fox News types are now probably 60% of those calling themselves "Tea Party".

devil21
12-09-2011, 07:04 PM
It is maybe THREE people. That is all. Far from everyone in the tea party.

Geez people, come on.

The gatekeeper has spoken. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

sailingaway
12-09-2011, 07:06 PM
He didn't say he was speaking on behalf of he tea party but as part of the tea party TO the tea party. They are being nonsensical, but as astroturf organizations, they naturally rally to protect the establishment, of course

JohnGalt1225
12-09-2011, 07:13 PM
These "tea party" hacks are supporting Gingrich? "There's no perfect candidate?" I guess that's code for "forget the issues just vote for the MSM establishment hacks."

Occam's Banana
12-09-2011, 07:15 PM
(Washington Times Wednesday, December 7, 2011)


One questioner asked Mr. Gingrich how he could assure conservatives he would be trustworthy

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/7/gingrich-john-bolton-will-be-my-secretary-state/

*sigh* What kind of fool asks this kind of question? (Especially of a politician!)

If you don't have any reason to doubt the trustworthiness of another person, what is the point of asking?
And if you do have a reason to doubt that person's trustworthiness, of what worth can that person's "assurances" possibly be?

Kregisen
12-09-2011, 07:17 PM
I love how a year after the tea party starts people can create their own website i.e. tea party patriots and pretend to be a self-proclaimed "leader" of it.

I could've made a tea-party themed website too, what's the big deal? Why are these dumbasses so important? They're trying to elect Gingrich, who is liberal on every issue in America except abortion. In fact you could argue Obama himself is less liberal than Gingrich!

Occam's Banana
12-09-2011, 07:18 PM
All I have to say is a name Benedict Arnold for the lot of them that think Newt is a realistic candidate, nothing but turn coat fake big govt sellouts. I have more respect for big government socialist than these hacks.
I'll go you one better: I have more respect for Benedict Arnold than I do for these hacks. Seriously, I do.

EBounding
12-09-2011, 07:19 PM
I always thought the "leader" of the Tea Party movement was an idea. An idea where debt, spending, and taxes all need to be reduced.

wgadget
12-09-2011, 07:19 PM
It is maybe THREE people. That is all. Far from everyone in the tea party.

Geez people, come on.

Yep. Three people whose leadership and ideals have caused me to avoid Tea Party gatherings like the plague

69360
12-09-2011, 07:22 PM
I love how a year after the tea party starts people can create their own website i.e. tea party patriots and pretend to be a self-proclaimed "leader" of it.

I could've made a tea-party themed website too, what's the big deal? Why are these dumbasses so important? They're trying to elect Gingrich, who is liberal on every issue in America except abortion. In fact you could argue Obama himself is less liberal than Gingrich!

Gingrich has flipped on abortion. He even supported taxpayer funded abortion.

row333au
12-09-2011, 07:30 PM
Thread: Brief Look at the Tea Party
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?322014-Brief-Look-at-the-Tea-Party

Been researching about social structuring and re-engineering, pathology of throlls, shills, gatekeepers, memes, disinfo/misinfo, patterns of dissolution and enclavement reasonings and proofing, etch.... applied to fields...business and economic enterprises, sciences and emerging technologies, etch... above are information to investigate to whether you give merit to it or not for no one can own the truths. You may give credit those helped to encourage for truth to come out; unless there's a contract on pursuing the work but still they can't force anyone to pay for the truth - for truth is free in the open.

Brian4Liberty
12-09-2011, 08:44 PM
Attending the meeting, arranged by Richard A. Viguerie, president of ConservativeHQ.com, won points for Mr. Gingrich with the about 70 conservatives who attended, some of whom said they were impressed he spoke and took questions for two hours.

“The fact that he asked for that meeting and asked Richard to put that meeting together — he understands the value of that movement,” said Amy Kremer, head of the Tea Party Express, who took part in the meeting.

Viguerie rings a bell in my mind as being on our side. What's up with this meeting with the Grinch?

sailingaway
12-09-2011, 08:47 PM
Viguerie is on our side when it matches his side. He wrote some nice stuff about Ron here and there, but yesterday or the other day wrote something about how wonderful Ron was BUT that he was wrong to go after the Grinch. I figured something was up.

devil21
12-09-2011, 08:50 PM
Viguerie rings a bell in my mind as being on our side. What's up with this meeting with the Grinch?

A quick search shows this guy to be rather schizophrenic when it comes to Ron Paul. He praises RP one day then bashes him the next. Odd mix of search results coming up. I think he just likes to see his name on the internet.

Compare:
http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/651965362.html

with:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/08/25/idUS183718+25-Aug-2008+PRN20080825

At least he's got some egg on his face for this one:
Ron Paul wrong to brush off Trump debate
http://www.newsmax.com/Viguerie/Ron-Paul-Trump-Debate/2011/12/07/id/420296

Strange fellow, this Viguerie.

Revolution9
12-09-2011, 09:05 PM
Who are these nobody's?
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Archons - A parasite of a different order

Exploring archons in his new book, Wetiko - The Greatest Epidemic Sickness Known to Humanity, psychologist Paul Levy writes (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons15.htm),

"When people are infected by the wetiko virus (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons17.htm), Forbes writes, they are “the host for the wetiko parasites.” The wetiko germ is a psychic tapeworm, a parasite of the mind. Just like certain computer viruses or malware infect and program a computer to self-destruct, mind-viruses like wetiko can program the human bio-computer to think, believe and behave in ways that result in our self-destruction. Wetiko is a virulent, psychic pathogen that insinuates thought-forms into our mind which, when unconsciously en-acted, feed it, and ultimately kills its host (us). It doesn’t want to kill us too quickly however, for to successfully implement its agenda of reproducing and propagating itself throughout the field, it must let the host live long enough to spread the virus. If the host dies too soon, the bug would be prematurely evicted and would suffer the inconvenience of having to find a new residence.
Mr. Levy continues,

"Like a cancer of the mind that metastasizes, in wetiko disease, a pathological part of the psyche co-opts and subsumes all of the healthy parts of the psyche into itself so as to serve its pathology. To quote Jung,

“an unknown ‘something’ has taken possession of a smaller or greater portion of the psyche and asserts its hateful and harmful existence undeterred by all our insight, reason, and energy, thereby proclaiming the power of the unconscious over the conscious mind, the sovereign power of possession.”
The personality then self-organizes an outer display of coherence around this pathogenic core, which ‘masks’ the inner dysfunction, making it hard to recognize. In a psychic coup d’etat, the wetiko bug can usurp and displace the person, who becomes its puppet and marionette. Like a parasite, the wetiko virus can take over the will of an animal more evolved than itself, enlisting that creature into serving its nefarious agenda. Once the parasite becomes sufficiently entrenched within the psyche, the prime directive coordinating a person’s behavior comes from the disease, as it is now the one calling the shots. Just as someone infected with the rabies virus will resist drinking water, which would flush out the infection, someone taken over by the wetiko parasite will have nothing to do with anything that will help them get rid of the disease. Wetikos are phobic towards the light of truth, which they avoid like the plague. In advanced stages, this process takes over the person so completely that we could rightfully say the person is no longer there; they are just an empty shell carrying the disease. In a sense there is just the disease, operating through what appears to be a human being. The person becomes fully identified with their mask, their persona, but it is as if there is no one behind the mask."

HTH
Rev9

Steppenwolf6
12-09-2011, 09:19 PM
http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/12/09/tea-party-leaders-rand-paul-wrong-on-newt-gingrich?msg=1



I agree with the sentiment that people should vote (informed) for whoever they want but I see some serious hypocrisy in these same self-appointed "Tea Party Leaders" then publicly endorsing particular candidates. You can't have it both ways.
There is no purity test in the Tea Parties don't you know?
So we should all go with the single most progressive,anti-conservative,unreliable, anti free market,personally immoral , less principled and anti-Tea Parties of the WHOLE group just to make sure you REALLY understand this is no purity test AT ALL for God's sake!

And there are no leaders here to tell you what you should think and how to vote so we,the leaders of the Tea Parties, tell you NOT to vote for Ron Paul , to ignore Rand Paul and endorse Gingrich,the socialist,just to make sure you understand that that's who you should vote for because we,the leaders of the Tea Parties, say so.

Pagliacci.
(Clowns in Italian)

Kregisen
12-11-2011, 01:21 AM
Gingrich has flipped on abortion. He even supported taxpayer funded abortion.

Source? That would be great to use...