Arrests threatened for OWS protesters outside GOP debate Saturday

[1stAmendguy]

http://iowacity.patch.com/articles/arrests-possible-outside-gop-iowa-debate-saturday-at-drake


"Ryan said demonstrators plan to dress as circus performers to go with a protest theme that, in her description, the Republican candidates are a bunch of clowns."

Well, I mostly agree with them on this. All execpt one special man; to some degree they're all trying to fool us voters. :p

[69360]

They have a right to protest.

If they break the law and /or violate property rights they should be arrested.

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[1stAmendguy]

What should concern you is not the message of the movement, it is the response by the establish to non-violent protests. By allowing suppression of free speech and protest now on issues you may or may not disagree with, the way is cleared for the exact same suppression on issues that are very important to you.

We should oppose all aggressive suppression of non-violent protests in public spaces so that when the time comes for us to make our voices heard we do not have to fear the same suppression.

I support OWS people's right to protest and free speech along with their tatic to assemble or "occupy" so long as they have permission on private property. I'm all for the first Amendment. Why just take a look at my username. I didn't mean to sound contrarian.

[69360]

What should concern you is not the message of the movement, it is the response by the establish to non-violent protests. By allowing suppression of free speech and protest now on issues you may or may not disagree with, the way is cleared for the exact same suppression on issues that are very important to you.

We should oppose all aggressive suppression of non-violent protests in public spaces so that when the time comes for us to make our voices heard we do not have to fear the same suppression.

Public spaces is the key. The debate is held on private property.

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[Steppenwolf6]

http://iowacity.patch.com/articles/arrests-possible-outside-gop-iowa-debate-saturday-at-drake



Well, I mostly agree with them on this. All execpt one special man to some degree they're all trying to fool us voters. :p

I fail to see this mob's point all together,even if Ron Paul was'nt there.

Politicians are mostly crooks,dems and repubs,true...but this mob is just...
time to pack up and go home,nobody understands what a hell these spoiled,ignorant,highly confused lazy brats and mostly commies are talking about or stand for exactly..except :
more government take over to bail THEM and only them out.
And " tax the rich" ,Obama's communist agenda.

[Steppenwolf6]

Sorry to point this out,but Gingrich and before him Cain scored points and gained votes between the simple minded republican masses EXACTLY when they started to openly attack and criticize this mob of lazy,progressively educated bunch of commies.
And we gained NOTHING by "understanding them" as far as these republican primaries are concerned.
Productive,decent people HATE this mob and are happy to see a strong reaction to them.

[kylejack]

Public spaces is the key. The debate is held on private property.
I'm sure most of them intend to be on the public right-of-way on the edges of the property.

[CaptainAmerica]

In 2008 they did pre-emptive arrests of protestors who were organizing plans inside homes. Police had no warrants,just busted in and arrested people in Minnesota.

[twomp]

I fail to see this mob's point all together,even if Ron Paul was'nt there.

Politicians are mostly crooks,dems and repubs,true...but this mob is just...
time to pack up and go home,nobody understands what a hell these spoiled,ignorant,highly confused lazy brats and mostly commies are talking about or stand for exactly..except :
more government take over to bail THEM and only them out.
And " tax the rich" ,Obama's communist agenda.

You should do some more research rather then listen to what Fox News says about them. They help shelter and feed the homeless. In some occupations they cook and supply up to 2,000 meals a day to the less fortunate. If you even bothered to look outside what the main stream media says about them, you would know this. You would also know that there is a huge Ron Paul presence there.

In short, educate yourself because you sound like a typical ignorant Fox News watcher right now.

[Unknown.User]

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[69360]

I'm sure most of them intend to be on the public right-of-way on the edges of the property.

That's just fine, they can knock themselves out. If they abide by the law, respect property rightsd and don't interfere with access to the debate, it's their right to protest.

[twomp]

Sorry to point this out,but Gingrich and before him Cain scored points and gained votes between the simple minded republican masses EXACTLY when they started to openly attack and criticize this mob of lazy,progressively educated bunch of commies.
And we gained NOTHING by "understanding them" as far as these republican primaries are concerned.
Productive,decent people HATE this mob and are happy to see a strong reaction to them.

Again you prove my point. So Dr. Paul has never had anything negative to say about us. But YOU Steppenwolf6 seem to be on the same side as Fox News, main stream media, Newt and Cain.

How's it feel to be a neocon?

[69360]

You should do some more research rather then listen to what Fox News says about them. They help shelter and feed the homeless. In some occupations they cook and supply up to 2,000 meals a day to the less fortunate. If you even bothered to look outside what the main stream media says about them, you would know this. You would also know that there is a huge Ron Paul presence there.

In short, educate yourself because you sound like a typical ignorant Fox News watcher right now.

The protesters broke the law by living in a public areas. They also violated property rights.

I don't know about the others, but in Philadelphia, there were maybe 3 or 4 Ron Paul supporters. The other protesters stole the Ron Paul supporter's belongings and took a dump in their tent.

[CaptainAmerica]

This is true. FBI infiltrated activist bookstores and coffee shops by recruiting students from the University of Minnesota in order to determine potential targets. The "protest cage" designated for the RNC is a free speech disaster. Pawlenty already had his sights set on this election cycle and was not going to let anything go wrong.

http://www.myspace.com/video/contributor/police-raid-houses-connected-with-planned-rnc-protests/41826645

Pawlenty was behind that?

[twomp]

The protesters broke the law by living in a public areas. They also violated property rights.

I don't know about the others, but in Philadelphia, there were maybe 3 or 4 Ron Paul supporters. The other protesters stole the Ron Paul supporter's belongings and took a dump in their tent.

Do you have proof of this? You are just spewing out ignorant crap with no proof just like the main stream media. Move along troll until you have some proof.

[kylejack]

Sorry to point this out,but Gingrich and before him Cain scored points and gained votes between the simple minded republican masses EXACTLY when they started to openly attack and criticize this mob of lazy,progressively educated bunch of commies.
And we gained NOTHING by "understanding them" as far as these republican primaries are concerned.
Productive,decent people HATE this mob and are happy to see a strong reaction to them.
Actually, we poll extremely well with independents, some of whom are voting in the primaries.

[NewRightLibertarian]

Do you have proof of this? You are just spewing out ignorant crap with no proof just like the main stream media. Move along troll until you have some proof.

The mainstream media other than FOX is pushing this occupy crap because it's supported by Obama, Jesse Jackson, Soros, etc. The Mark Dice and Adam Kokesh videos are most telling about how disgusting this mob is. I don't support them and their anti-capitalist, pro-government idiotic beliefs.

[69360]

Do you have proof of this? You are just spewing out ignorant crap with no proof just like the main stream media. Move along troll until you have some proof.

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/133482558.html


A few weeks ago, the tension between the Ron Paul tent and other Occupiers reached a tipping point. Salguero says that in the middle of the night on Oct. 19, a stealthy intruder broke into the empty Ron Paul booth as the overnight staff snoozed in a tent set up next door. “They took 100 percent of our literature and DVDs, then stole all the flashlights, propane tanks and two-thirds of food and water supplies,” says Salguero, sitting beneath a sign tacked to the wall that lists “George Washington’s Rules of Civility.”

“Then they took a hot steaming shit right here,” says Salguero. He leans over and slaps the cold concrete floor in the center of the booth with his gloved hand.

Read more: http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/133482558.html#ixzz1fzKLOfOK

[angelatc]

What should concern you is not the message of the movement, it is the response by the establish to non-violent protests. By allowing suppression of free speech and protest now on issues you may or may not disagree with, the way is cleared for the exact same suppression on issues that are very important to you.

We should oppose all aggressive suppression of non-violent protests in public spaces so that when the time comes for us to make our voices heard we do not have to fear the same suppression.

They already have a history of protesting violently. It's pretty naive to assume they won't try to force their way into the arena, or vandalize cars...anything to get attention.

[PauliticsPolitics]

hmmm... a bickering thread.
byebye

[twomp]

http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/133482558.html

Interesting read but you failed to include the rest of the article in typical main stream media style.

"Asked if he knows who did it, Salguero says it doesn’t matter in a way that implies he does. Perhaps, he offers, it’s the same person who tore down the Rosa Parks tent last week.

But rather than be pissed off, Salguero’s grateful. The shit backfired. “Up at the General Assembly, they said, ‘Look, we don’t agree with Ron Paul, but we’re sorry that that happened.’”

Read more: http://www.philadelphiaweekly.com/news-and-opinion/133482558.html#ixzz1fzM2NCeK

[Steppenwolf6]

Listen,i don't watch fox news,i AM AL FOR FREE SPEECH ,but i listen to THEM and i watch them,here,in Los Angeles where they are revered and treated with white gloves but the socialist establishment.
My personal opinion on them( if i am allowed to express it) is:
This mob is ,in great majority,made a bunch of progressively educated,ignorant ,unproductive ,lazy morons and commies.
Period.

Violent mob,and comunist mob at that against the individual and the free market.

That said:
Of course they have the right to express..

You ask ME,personally?
Fuck them.
Only point where i agree with Cain-Newt:
Go get a fucking job,like the rest of us.
Your precious school did not give you a great job at universities paid for by me?
sooo sorry..now go take a shower ,GET A JOB or go fuck yourselves.

[Steppenwolf6]

Actually,quote Ron Paul at a debate:
" Their solution,what some of them believe in,anti-free market stuff ..that's DANGEROUS".

[twomp]

Listen,i don't watch fox news,i AM AL FOR FREE SPEECH ,but i listen to THEM and i watch them,here,in Los Angeles where they are revered and treated with white gloves but the socialist establishment.
My personal opinion on them( if i am allowed to express it) is:
This mob is ,in great majority,made a bunch of progressively educated,ignorant ,unproductive ,lazy morons and commies.
Period.

Violent mob,and comunist mob at that against the individual and the free market.

That said:
Of course they have the right to express..

You ask ME?
Fuck them

Of course you have a right to express anything you feel. I have no problem with you feeling the way you do. Nor do I have any issue with you expressing it. It is your right. The issue I have is this, you and some others here make statements that are not true. While yes there has been some violence created by some protesters. The violence inflicted on us has been much greater. We are communist nor are we against the free market. We are against the corruption that runs rampant in every level of this government. In LA, there is a huge group of Ron Paul supporters that are part of the OWS. I'm sure if you dropped by and had a conversation with them, you might be able to relate your concerns with them. No one will hurt you I promise. You can identify them by the Ron Paul shirts and banners.

[Steppenwolf6]

listen kiddo..you call me neo con...i have been a paleo ,traditional libertarian conservative for longer than you have been following politics.

Any SPECIFIC reason why should i worship a mob of commies exactly?

[twomp]

listen kiddo..i have been a paleo traditional libertarian conservative for longer than you have been following politics.

Any SPECIFIC reason why should i worship a mob of commies exactly?

See there you go again assuming thing and mixing words around. Who said you should worship anyone? You don't know me, how long have I been following politics if you know me so well?

Like I said earlier, we welcome anyone who has any thoughts disagreements with us to come by and have a chat. No one is trying to convert you but it isn't fair for you to make all these accusations based on what you see on TV. There is a big difference from what you see on TV and what really goes on.

[Steppenwolf6]

well ,you don't know me and you called me a "neo-con".
Can dish but can't take it?

Very whining OWS style.

These spoiled, brats ,the ows mob are the type of ignorant morons that when they turn 30-35 become all of a sudden neo-con and vote for the Newt-Mitt of the 2040,reborn christians and want to bomb everybody.

For now?
All talk but all Obama /Hillary,left establishment votes.
Good sheeps.

[Steppenwolf6]

Actually, we poll extremely well with independents, some of whom are voting in the primaries.

OF COURSE we poll well with indipendents!
So?
Indipendents are NOT OWS people at all.
Indipendents mostly despise them ,like 65% of americans.

ONLY the left ,30% ,likes them by now.

[Steppenwolf6]

The spontaneous,grass roots movement..
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=375565

[RM918]

Again you prove my point. So Dr. Paul has never had anything negative to say about us. But YOU Steppenwolf6 seem to be on the same side as Fox News, main stream media, Newt and Cain.

How's it feel to be a neocon?

Pulling out the ol' guilt-by-association card isn't going to change anyone's minds. Neo-cons don't like us, you don't like us, therefore you are a neo-con? Judge on the issues, not perceptions.

As for OWS, I don't know very much about them at all. I don't know exactly how many of them are our supposed principled progressive counter-parts over on the left, but they are about as tough to deal with as some of our guys who would refuse to work with any sort of statist no matter the degree of agreement.

They essentially seem to be trying to petition a corrupt government to get rid of its own corruption, which I simply cannot comprehend as anything that could ever make sense. Cynical as I am, I figure they'll be co-opted by the Dems pretty easy if the Republicans get the white house again.

[twomp]

well ,you don't know me and you called me a "neo-con".
Can dish but can't take it?

Very whining OWS style.

These spoiled, brats ,the ows mob are the type of ignorant morons that when they turn 30-35 become all of a sudden neo-con and vote for the Newt-Mitt of the 2040,reborn christians and want to bomb everybody.

For now?
All talk but all Obama /Hillary,left establishment votes.
Good sheeps.



Lol when you come here ranting like a neo-con without any facts, you sound like a neo-con!


OF COURSE we poll well with indipendents!
So?
Indipendents are NOT OWS people at all.
Indipendents mostly despise them ,like 65% of americans.

ONLY the left ,30% ,likes them by now.

Quit lying and pulling out stats that you made up in your own mind and talk about it like it's a fact. I would say let's just agree to disagree but you insist on making insults like your view is the correct view. Sounds like a neo-con to me.

[Steppenwolf6]

Quit lying and pulling out stats that you made up in your own mind and talk about it like it's a fact. I would say let's just agree to disagree but you insist on making insults like your view is the correct view. Sounds like a neo-con to me.

Here( I picked a democan pollster,PPP,just to make sure):

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/poll-public-opinion-turning-against-occupy-wall-street.php?ref=fpa_beta

And this above was 2 months a go,by now nobody gives a fuck except the 25-30% of total left wingers hammered by the communists professors in school.

AND this:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/occupy-wall-street-passing-fad-214300743.html

[Steppenwolf6]

WHO are,by great and large majority,the "occupiers?

WHAT do they believe in?
Economy?
American History?

What political activities and groups are they involved with?
( and they are VERY involved politically)

WHO DO THEY VOTE FOR?
...(AND they DO vote ,en masse!)

Who did they vote for before and who will they vote for in the future(AND THEY WILL)?


here:


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html

( P.S.
Yes,i know,7 of them will show up to vote for Ron Paul.
Single digit,somewhere between 6 and 8 of them.. throughout the whole country)

[ryanmkeisling]

What should concern you is not the message of the movement, it is the response by the establish to non-violent protests. By allowing suppression of free speech and protest now on issues you may or may not disagree with, the way is cleared for the exact same suppression on issues that are very important to you.

We should oppose all aggressive suppression of non-violent protests in public spaces so that when the time comes for us to make our voices heard we do not have to fear the same suppression.

I agree and that time could not be far off. As the status quo gets more and more desperate if anything untoward happens to Dr. Paul, we should be ready to fight back as there are clearly far more of us at this point.

[LibertyEsq]

wow twomp, Being anti-OWS makes one a neocon?

Guess I should ditch these forums for Romney then

(lol)

[LibertyEsq]

shouldn't this be in general politics btw

[Steppenwolf6]

wow twomp, Being anti-OWS makes one a neocon?

Guess I should ditch these forums for Romney then

(lol)

Just like a broken clock,even a semi literate like Cain,who does NOT know where France is or what "the gold standard" is... gets it right:

"Are you unhappy of your job,of your life?
First of all blame yourself."

Or ,better said:

"Take responsability for your life and your PERSONAL conditions"
Which should be the first of all individualistic,consistently libertarian mottos.

[Echoes]

Why dont these groups protest Democrats, both parties are crap and deserve equal blame but it seems this 'movement' has been reduced to an elect Obama charade.

[LibertyEsq]

Just like a broken clock,even a semi literate like Cain,who does NOT know where France is or what "the gold standard" is gets it right:
You are unhappy of your job,of your life?
First of all blame yourself.
Or better said:

"Take responsability for your life and your PERSONAL conditions"
Which should be the first of all individualistic,consistently libertarian mottos.

Were you responding to me or something? I agree with you

[twomp]

wow twomp, Being anti-OWS makes one a neocon?

Guess I should ditch these forums for Romney then

(lol)

Nope, but calling us commies and making stuff up makes you sound like one.

[Steppenwolf6]

Why dont these groups protest Democrats, both parties are crap and deserve equal blame but it seems this 'movement' has been reduced to an elect Obama charade.

...yes it seems..and it seemed so from its very beginning.

[Steppenwolf6]

Were you responding to me or something? I agree with you
Yes.
And I with you.

[twomp]

OF COURSE we poll well with indipendents!
So?
Indipendents are NOT OWS people at all.
Indipendents mostly despise them ,like 65% of americans.

ONLY the left ,30% ,likes them by now.

Thanks for the links but I still don't see where those numbers you came up are from. According to this link which you linked:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/poll-public-opinion-turning-against-occupy-wall-street.php?ref=fpa_beta

it says this:

"The poll asked: “Do you support or oppose the goals of the
Occupy Wall Street movement?” The result was only 33% support, to 45% opposed."

You said 65% but whats a 20% difference right?

According to YOUR article here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/occupy-wall-street-passing-fad-214300743.html

I don't even know why you linked it, did you even read it? Here is something interesting I found from the article:

"These findings are further supported by a telephone poll released today by ORC International** showing over half of Americans (57%) say they have become less interested in the movement over the past two weeks."


"Almost one in four Americans (23%) say the movement should stop but a plurality simply do not care (44%)."

And now for this link:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576637082965745362.html

I guess this line from the article YOU linked shows there are independents within the movement:

"An overwhelming majority of demonstrators supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve, and only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won't vote.

Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren't represented by any political party. "

I'll concede though, the polls show there aren't that many Ron Paul supporters within the movement and what I saw with my own eyes at the Occupation I hang out with doesn't represent the whole movement.

As for voting again for Obama. According to your link, it says so itself, an overwheming majority voted for him in 2008 and now less then half will vote for him again.

I am one of those people. I won't lie, had he done what he said he would (i.e. end the patriot act, end the corruption, end the wars, close Guantanomo Bay) I would not be here at these forums and I would vote for him again. Instead he made the patriot act worse, he added Wall Street executives up and down his cabinet, he became the 3rd term of Bush.

If you want me to somehow take blame for that? Then fine, my mistake. It won't happen again. But if that's my fault, then you have to take blame for what you and your generation has done to our country. Our problems didn't just magically appear because Obama was elected. This country has been on a downward slide for the past few decades. Am I making that up?

http://www.businessinsider.com/what-wall-street-protesters-are-so-angry-about-2011-10#and-its-not-just-construction-workers-who-cant-find-jobs-the-median-duration-of-all-unemployment-is-also-near-an-all-time-high-4

I read your links, click through those slides and tell me this didn't happen during your generation's watch. We are the ones out in the street trying to clean up the mess that YOUR generation created and you act like we're the devils.

[twomp]

On that note, good night sir! (have work early tomorrow) I'll be sure to check tomorrow as I have no doubt you'll be back with a reply.

[Steppenwolf6]

On that note, good night sir! (have work early tomorrow) I'll be sure to check tomorrow as I have no doubt you'll be back with a reply.

Goodnight to you sir,but DO have doubts:
I am done.
I,just like the great majority of America,as shown again by you,re-linking my informations,don't give a crap about these annoiyng ,confused ,strangely manouvered from the powerful,comunist left,movement.
And I do not believe it is worth much of anything for our purposes now,anyway.

That comunist movement "clean up" of the ast few decades disasters,as you call it,it's simply .. a lot more of EXACTLY what got us into this mess.
And it is sponsored and organized by the people in power,actively creating this mess.
Finally:
That comunist movement is,in itself,a complete mess.