WOW. OBAMA just gave a campaign speech against RON PAUL....

[wgadget]

Did anyone watch it?

He was talking about the FREE MARKETS, pre-Teddy Roosevelt.

Wow, just wow.

I'm convinced he knows RON PAUL will be the GOP nominee and he's heading him off at the pass.

[PastaRocket848]

more info please... talking about free markets how? like pretending to love the idea or deriding them?

[fade]

Heard it in the background here at work. It did strike a little bit of a chord with me that he was railing against a lot of what I believe - though he is railing against the misconceptions of the free market.

[Karsten]

Of course he knows Ron Paul will be the nominee.

[PauliticsPolitics]

Here's the transcript:
http://news.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/obamas-teddy-roosevelt-speech---full-transcript.php

[bluesc]

Some quotes:


Obama compares current economy to Great Depression

(CNN) - President Barack Obama said Tuesday that economic inequality in America is at "a level we haven't seen since the Great Depression" and "hurts us all."

"When middle-class families can no longer afford to buy the goods and services that businesses are selling, it drags down the entire economy, from top to bottom," Obama said in a speech pushing for Congress to approve provisions of his jobs package.

"Inequality also distorts our democracy," he continued, sounding a theme expressed by Teddy Roosevelt in a speech more than a century earlier. "It gives an outsized voice to the few who can afford high-priced lobbyists and unlimited campaign contributions, and runs the risk of selling out our democracy to the highest bidder. And it leaves everyone else rightly suspicious that the system in Washington is rigged against them - that our elected representatives aren't looking out for the interests of most Americans."

Obama said that congressional Republicans "want to go back to the same policies that have stacked the deck against middle-class Americans for too many years."

"Their philosophy is simple: We are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules," Obama said in a speech pushing for passage of provisions of his jobs package. "Well, I'm here to say they are wrong."

Sounding a theme from a speech more than a century earlier by Teddy Roosevelt, Obama said: "I'm here to reaffirm my deep conviction that we are greater together than we are on our own."

"I believe that this country succeeds when everyone gets a fair shot, when everyone does their fair share, and when everyone plays by the same rules," he said. "Those aren't Democratic or Republican values; 1% values or 99% values. They're American values, and we have to reclaim them."

[wgadget]

He was deriding them..as in CHILD LABOR, LOW WAGES, etc...and then Teddy Roosevelt came and saved the day!!! (Remember, Newt likes to claim to be like Teddy Roosevelt). I think Obama WANTS Gingrich to be the nominee, but is afraid it might be RP.

[phill4paul]

So Obama's attacking UP? :D

[wgadget]

I made sure to send a Twitter to Limbaugh that even OBAMA knows Ron Paul is going to be the nominee..LOL

[georgiaboy]

So Obama's attacking UP? :D

No One But Paul!!:)

[bluesc]

This is just a sign of what Obama will be saying when he's facing Ron. Hope the campaign is taking notes.

[Diashi]

Wait, did he actually address Ron Paul and his views personally or just the Republicans in general?

I long for the day when Paul can peel Obama apart like an onion.

[braane]

Obama was in Osawatomie? I live like an hour from there and hadn't heard anything of this lol. Then again, it's Kansas... we haven't gone democrat since 1964, so I think it's odd he would come here.

[Verrater]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

[wgadget]

Wait, did he actually address Ron Paul and his views personally or just the Republicans in general?

I long for the day when Paul can peel Obama apart like an onion.

Of course he didn't say RON PAUL, but he was talking about "some" who think the free market is the way to go. Who else do you know that truly believes that? Not Newt, not Romney...

[georgiaboy]

Ron is so ready to finally have this kind of debate on a national stage. Finally.

The Keynesian, socialist experiment is over.

[eric4186]

i think you're reading too much into this. Democrats say stuff like that all the time, he's not referring to Ron Paul.

[matt0611]

This is just a sign of what Obama will be saying when he's facing Ron. Hope the campaign is taking notes.

I can't wait until its officially Obama vs Paul.
I don't know how I will get any work done. I hardly get any done as is.

[Djlaureate]

I woke up because i heard him going on about Free Markets, then i kept listening and almost spit my coffee out... I was totally thinking the same thing... HE is already attacking/campaigning against RP. Glad you guys caught on too.

And yea, it was an attack on all the misconceptions of a free market... But those ignorant audience members were eatin that shit up. That's even more concerning.

2012 Presidential Election : "Battle of the Ideologies" lol

[AlexG]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

I agree he needs to do what Mitt tried to do earlier in the race and that's ignore the Republicans and start attacking Obama, making it Obama vs Paul

[Aratus]

loosely put, potus just lit into the GOP by shaming them when he praises eleanor's famous uncle,
and if i had thought his innagural sounded like woodrow wilson, potus now is doing an FDR strut.
given that doctor ron paul is the very heart & soul of the GOP at the current hour, it is his hour.

[wgadget]

i think you're reading too much into this. Democrats say stuff like that all the time, he's not referring to Ron Paul.

I'll go through the transcript and see if I can find the parts that made me think so. BRB.

Their philosophy is simple: we are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules.

Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there’s been a certain crowd in Washington for the last few decades who respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes - especially for the wealthy - our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, they argue, that’s the price of liberty.

It’s a simple theory - one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. Here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible post-war boom of the 50s and 60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade.

[tfurrh]

Here's the transcript:
http://news.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/obamas-teddy-roosevelt-speech---full-transcript.php

Yup, this was definately with Paul's ideology in mind.

[georgiaboy]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

QFT+rep. more earned media. execute the outflanking maneuver, campaign!

[puppetmaster]

didn't Gingrich also compare himself to Roosevelt?

[bluesc]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

I like this idea :D. Do it Ron! We know you are watching, campaign people.

[PastaRocket848]

i think we're stretching a little here guys... i mean that quote was hardly "against paul". he was pushing liberal talking points, it's just sad that the only person on the republican side that may seem to be "against" is ron paul.

but seriously, we're dillusional if we think obama is "punching up" at a candidate with 8% national polling. we gotta win some primaries and caucuses before we start talking like that.

[ds21089]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

Yess! Turn the race into Obama vs Paul. Let the media cover the exchanges and they will be forced to say how Ron Paul is the only one that polls high enough to beat Obama.

[phill4paul]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

Yes. Yes. Yes.

[The Magic Hoof]

WE NEED A TOOOOOB!!!!

[Rothbardian Girl]

I'll go through the transcript and see if I can find the parts that made me think so. BRB.

Their philosophy is simple: we are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules.

Now, just as there was in Teddy Roosevelt’s time, there’s been a certain crowd in Washington for the last few decades who respond to this economic challenge with the same old tune. “The market will take care of everything,” they tell us. If only we cut more regulations and cut more taxes - especially for the wealthy - our economy will grow stronger. Sure, there will be winners and losers. But if the winners do really well, jobs and prosperity will eventually trickle down to everyone else. And even if prosperity doesn’t trickle down, they argue, that’s the price of liberty.

It’s a simple theory - one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. Here’s the problem: It doesn’t work. It’s never worked. It didn’t work when it was tried in the decade before the Great Depression. It’s not what led to the incredible post-war boom of the 50s and 60s. And it didn’t work when we tried it during the last decade.
That quote is so full of BS, it made me feel physically angry. It's a misconception that has gone on in American politics for far too long.

[wgadget]

So, do ya think The Grinch met with Obama? LOL All this Teddy Roosevelt talk..

[RDM]

I watched the whole thing. It was definitely a direct hit toward Ron Paul. The funny thing was, he was up there at the podium describing himself to a "T" but yet saying it's what's wrong with America and the stupid people in the crowd were eating it up. I am just amazed at the stupidity in America these days.

Ron needs to study this speech and load up his ammo. Ron will eat him alive in a debate.

[georgiaboy]

Obama is definitely speaking this into the GOP battle right now, telling Republicans that Newt/Romney are the 'sensible' choices, not Paul.

C'mon, GOP, you gonna let some big gov't lib'rul tell you who they want you to vote for?

Ron Paul is obviously the only choice now, if it's worrying the Dem's this much already.

[Rothbardian Girl]

...

[ds21089]

i think we're stretching a little here guys... i mean that quote was hardly "against paul". he was pushing liberal talking points, it's just sad that the only person on the republican side that may seem to be "against" is ron paul.

but seriously, we're dillusional if we think obama is "punching up" at a candidate with 8% national polling. we gotta win some primaries and caucuses before we start talking like that.

While it may not be directed at him specifically, if Ron makes a point about it in interviews and addresses what Obama, then proves how Obama is wrong, that will make some of the anyone but Obama republicans which we don't have yet, join us. Also, that gives him an opportunity to say something along the lines of "well obviously most people don't agree with Obama because he is losing support, while I am gaining it. In recent polls, I'm shown to be the ONLY one who can beat Obama."

[eric4186]

Yess! Turn the race into Obama vs Paul. Let the media cover the exchanges and they will be forced to say how Ron Paul is the only one that polls high enough to beat Obama.

*facepalm*. oh come on, he's not talking about anything specifically libertarian or Paul-ian. This statement could have been just as easily applied to Bush in the 2008 campaign. Tax cuts on the wealthy? Is Ron Paul even talking about that? Everyone knows Republicans are for the free market and Democrats are for for more government intervention in the free market. That's all that's going on here.

[georgiaboy]

C'mon, RPF'ers, get to punching out a response on those keyboards. We got this.

[SpiritOf1776_J4]

Interestingly, Drudge has an article up that says Obama just said he was in Texas when he was in Kansas.

[AuH20]

Obama and handlers are quite aware that the paleocon-libertarian coalition has resurfaced and are gradually taking over the steering wheel of the GOP at the grassroots level. This type of speech is par for the course and highly predictable. They got into power with this misleading rhetoric many years ago and they're sure as hell going to go down fighting with it.

[KingNothing]

The speech was nothing but demagoguery. How do people fall for this slop?

[Karsten]

The general election will be fun because it will be an actual battle of different VIEWPOINTS, Obama v Paul, rather than both candidates generally agreeing as in the past.

[Dianne]

I agree he needs to do what Mitt tried to do earlier in the race and that's ignore the Republicans and start attacking Obama, making it Obama vs Paul

That's exactly right, and Paul has tons more to go after Obama for; then his GOP rivals. The wars, for example, can rake in a lot of anti war supporters from both sides and in the middle. He needs to stress he is the only candidate with differing views than Obama. Gingrich and Romney agree with Obama on almost everything.

[wgadget]

didn't Gingrich also compare himself to Roosevelt?

Yes, just today on the Glenn Beck show. Which makes me think this could be a NEGATIVE for The Grinch with true conservatives. It also shows that Obama wants the Grinch to be the nominee, imo.

[Aratus]

Interestingly, Drudge has an article up that says Obama just said he was in Texas when he was in Kansas.

is this freudian slip, and yes, he knows he is not in or near the rockies or the appalachians?

[jkr]

right, since when does GOVERNMENT follow the same rules as the rest of the world?


FAIL

[Brian4Liberty]

Obama said that congressional Republicans "want to go back to the same policies that have stacked the deck against middle-class Americans for too many years."

Go back?! Go back to what time Obama? Yesterday? This morning? The deck has never been so stacked against the middle class as it is today, and you are the President!

[jkr]

Interestingly, Drudge has an article up that says Obama just said he was in Texas when he was in Kansas.


DONT 4GET TO BRING A T O W E L!


"I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE I AM"

[CaptUSA]

I hear all the calls for a Ron Paul response, but let's be strategic here. We are in a winning position when Obama is responding to Ron Paul. We lose that if he starts responding to Obama.

What he could do is give a speech about the utility of the free market and the lack of understanding of those who oppose it. Then he can let Obama respond to that. But he must not relinquish the lead.

[wgadget]

I forgot to say, that I got to watch this at the gym. There were two screens broadcasting it, one CNN and the other FOX.

While CNN ran the whole speech, FOX cut out and had Bachmann pushing her book and the "fact" that she is THE ONLY CONSISTENT conservative running.

PUKE.

[Orgoonian]

Obama and handlers are quite aware that the paleocon-libertarian coalition had resurfaced and are gradually taking over the steering wheel of the GOP at the grassroots level. This type of speech is par for the course and highly predictable. They got into power with this misleading rhetoric many years ago and they're sure as hell going to go down fighting with it.

I'm inclined to agree with this line of thinking.
There really is a "change"going on in the country.People are pissed(most don't know why exactly),and the federal reserve is on the front burner.

I believe we(Paulians)are making a bigger impact than we get credit for.

[unknown]

Obama said that congressional Republicans "want to go back to the same policies that have stacked the deck against middle-class Americans for too many years."

Obviously Obama loves the tax paying and barely surviving Middle Class which is why he passed banker bailouts 2 and 3, aka TARP 2 and 3 on the backs of the Middle Class. And why he continues to devalue the currency via the increases in the money supply via the "stimulus".

Because Ron Paul has never spoken about the effect monetary policies have on the Middle Class, nor has he ever called inflation the "hidden tax on the Middle Class".

RON PAUL HAS NEVER SPOKEN ABOUT THE MIDDLE CLASS!!! THAT HASNT BEEN HIS CONCERN FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS!!!

F YOU OBAMA!!!! AND THE REST OF YOU PHONIES!!! IM MAKING PHONE FROM HOME CALLS RIGHT NOW!!!!!

[wgadget]

Well, when you read commentaries on just about any political or economic blog there is always someone talking about Ron Paul or the dangers of the Fed. People like Medved and Limbaugh have been getting pretty pissed off whenever people talk about these topics. The time for liberty has come, imo.

[Aratus]

we are easily going to be 1/3rd the delegates at the august tampa convention. potus's people do their polls, too.
they may have spotted a shift and it ain't steady~state flipflop flipflop mitt, nor meteoric moneybags newt gingrich.

[wgadget]

we are easily going to be 1/3rd the delegates at the august tampa convention. potus's people do their polls, too.
they may have spotted a shift and it ain't steady~state flipflop flipflop mitt, nor meteoric moneybags newt gingrich.

LOL..Didn't think of that. I wonder how many former Obama voters are going for Ron Paul.

[Krugerrand]

I can't wait until its officially Obama vs Paul.
I don't know how I will get any work done. I hardly get any done as is.

I would not be surprised to see the DEMs sub out somebody else after Paul wins the election.

[S.Shorland]

Barack looks twice in the pan before he sits down just to make sure RP isn't there to bite his bum.

[Matthew Zak]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_0DHwiIVOU&noredirect=1

[pihaa]

What Obama forgot to mention is that the government and organizations like Acorn were FORCING the banks to make these bad loans while, at the same time, Ron Paul was warning that this would lead to a bubble and crash. In the meantime, Obama was pimping for Acorn!

[Liberty4life]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

^^^

[georgiaboy]

"Child Labor" "Low Wages"

Who's talking crazy, conspiracy now?

[dannno]

"Their philosophy is simple: We are better off when everyone is left to fend for themselves and play by their own rules,"

Classic straw man.

[Liberty4life]

Interestingly, Drudge has an article up that says Obama just said he was in Texas when he was in Kansas.
He's got that darned Texas Congressman on his mind again.

[Verrater]

He's got that darned Texas Congressman on his mind again.
It's obvious he does i agree. The campaign really needs to take advantage of this before someone else does.

[CableNewsJunkie]

Classic straw man.

^this^

I was about to say the same thing. I was reading all the pages of the thread to make sure nobody else had mentioned it yet. Beat me to it.

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Isn't there a picture of Ron somewhere with a piece of straw hanging out of his mouth?

Ron Paul eats strawmen for breakfast.

[Carole]

Did anyone watch it?

He was talking about the FREE MARKETS, pre-Teddy Roosevelt.

Wow, just wow.

I'm convinced he knows RON PAUL will be the GOP nominee and he's heading him off at the pass.

He has been saying this for three years.

[Cowlesy]

Campaigns need to issue a scathing attack ASAP on this.

[Jingles]

So the debate between Ron Paul and Obama will go something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc

[Aratus]

potus has polling done.

rick perry is not the texan

on this round potus is keeping

a well trained eye on. go figure.

[Carole]

Heard it in the background here at work. It did strike a little bit of a chord with me that he was railing against a lot of what I believe - though he is railing against the misconceptions of the free market.

He is lying. He is railing against crony capitalism in bed with government as he practices crony capitalism while he is in bed with wall street banks. :D Actually, he is railing against the failure of socialism here in America as he watches it fail all around himself. Such an idiot (Oblahma)!

He sees how successful socialism is in Europe and delights that he can do it here, too. Watch us fall faster than a speeding bullet.

He practically has a hard-on as he gleefully presides over the collapse of our economy and theft of the American people's wealth to fulfill his craven agenda.

Please excuse my crassness. :rolleyes:

[CableNewsJunkie]

Would be great to see a Ron Paul video go viral where he warns Americans to prepare for the consequences of Keynesianism.

[sofia]

"Robber Barons" for Ron Paul........that's how Axelrod will spin it.

[Athan]

i think you're reading too much into this. Democrats say stuff like that all the time, he's not referring to Ron Paul.
Agreed. He is afraid of Paul. He isn't going to call out Ron Paul's name unless he has to.

[Carole]

Here's the transcript:
http://news.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/12/obamas-teddy-roosevelt-speech---full-transcript.php

Why bother? He is a broken record in every speech. Sick of him.

[Carole]

Go donate for the Iowa and NH ad campaign, too. :D

Ticker is up. :D

[CableNewsJunkie]

Possible Ron response:

"It's always great to know that we have people like Newt Gingrich looking out for us in the wonderful world of big government."

[enjerth]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

Absolutely, +100%.

[Carole]

He went there because Teddy Roosevelt apparently went there.

The symbolism! Oh the humanity!

[Romulus]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

That's right.. assume the frontrunner status.

[enjerth]

I hear all the calls for a Ron Paul response, but let's be strategic here. We are in a winning position when Obama is responding to Ron Paul. We lose that if he starts responding to Obama.

What he could do is give a speech about the utility of the free market and the lack of understanding of those who oppose it. Then he can let Obama respond to that. But he must not relinquish the lead.

I disagree completely. This is an opportunity to address it as though Obama is against Ron Paul's vision for America, and for Ron Paul to punch through all of the Republican contest nonsense, outflank them all and respond directly to Obama's statement, and solidify himself in the view of the American voters as a fierce opponent to Obama.

This could be a serious breakout moment; to assume, even if not intended to target Paul, but for the sake that it touches fundamental issues Paul stands on, that Obama's words were basically directed at Paul, and for Paul to answer in a verbal contest directly with Obama. If Paul delivers a scathing rebuke, which goes unanswered by Obama, Paul wins in as far as that rebuke is heard across the nation. If Obama responds and turns the fight to Paul, Paul still wins.

[NewRightLibertarian]

This evil bastard Obama is a crook, and it doesn't surprise me that he is bashing freedom. The man is a tyrant and the free market would severely limit his power.

[georgiaboy]

Question:

Are there ties to be made between Obama and Trump? and Gingrich? I hope so.

[chris41336]

I just tweeted to Doug Wead telling him that Ron Paul should absolutely issue a retort to this and make it him vs. Obama. Get the Republicans on his side. That's what they awnt to see.

[milo10]

I disagree completely. This is an opportunity to address it as though Obama is against Ron Paul's vision for America, and for Ron Paul to punch through all of the Republican contest nonsense, outflank them all and respond directly to Obama's statement, and solidify himself in the view of the American voters as a fierce opponent to Obama.

This could be a serious breakout moment; to assume, even if not intended to target Paul, but for the sake that it touches fundamental issues Paul stands on, that Obama's words were basically directed at Paul, and for Paul to answer in a verbal contest directly with Obama. If Paul delivers a scathing rebuke, which goes unanswered by Obama, Paul wins in as far as that rebuke is heard across the nation. If Obama responds and turns the fight to Paul, Paul still wins.

I agree 100%. I will add that the response has to be very high-energy, well-written and inspiring. Have someone spend all night on the speech if need be.

Ron has to be more worked up than he normally is.

The video has to be in HD 1080, with a good background setting.

Then we take it viral.

And then we win.

[chris41336]

Everyone tweet to Doug Wead or E-mail the campaign, like I did, about getting Ron to respond to Obama.

[ronpaul12]

I was not aware that people were still listening to Obummer.

[ZanZibar]

It’s a simple theory - one that speaks to our rugged individualism and healthy skepticism of too much government. It fits well on a bumper sticker. http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x93/sonicspikesalbum/Obama/n214902021_30760649_5122.jpg

[Cowlesy]

The retort should be, "Obama doesn't trust you to manage your self, family or anything. He thinks you're too dumb."

[anewvoice]

Ron needs to make a counter statement.

This is a PRIME opportunity to make this race about Paul and Obama.

Absolutely, Ron Paul needs to take the initative and respond to Obama!

[Fredom101]

Is there a TOOB of this?

[RDM]

LOL..Didn't think of that. I wonder how many former Obama voters are going for Ron Paul.

In my small little world, I've been fielding questions from former Obama voters who are Democrat asking me what to do to switch to Republican to help in the primaries.

[Xenophage]

I disagree completely. This is an opportunity to address it as though Obama is against Ron Paul's vision for America, and for Ron Paul to punch through all of the Republican contest nonsense, outflank them all and respond directly to Obama's statement, and solidify himself in the view of the American voters as a fierce opponent to Obama.

This could be a serious breakout moment; to assume, even if not intended to target Paul, but for the sake that it touches fundamental issues Paul stands on, that Obama's words were basically directed at Paul, and for Paul to answer in a verbal contest directly with Obama. If Paul delivers a scathing rebuke, which goes unanswered by Obama, Paul wins in as far as that rebuke is heard across the nation. If Obama responds and turns the fight to Paul, Paul still wins.

THIS. And Paul needs to call Obama out on his corporatism, too. Anybody knows how to get in touch with higher ups in the campaign PLEASE DO SO!

[Fredom101]

TOOBZ or it did not happen! :)

[RDM]

Link to speech video. Not yet on YouTube.

http://bcove.me/7f92sme5

[ronpaultag]

Ron needs to school this clown.

There are 2 ways income disparity comes about:

1) Mutually beneficial voluntary transactions that enrich society as a whole by directing scarce resources to those most capable of utilizing them.
2) Forced/coerced transfers of wealth through inflation, corporate welfare (wars, subsidies, bailouts etc.), and regulations that favor big business

I could maybe understand someone attacking both if they didn't understand economics, but attacking the first one alone and advocating more of the 2nd one is ridiculous.

[AuH20]

Here's a photo which reduces that speech to toilet paper.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/barack-obama-jon-corzine-2009.jpg

[CableNewsJunkie]

Here's a photo which reduces that speech to toilet paper.

http://www.frugal-cafe.com/public_html/frugal-blog/frugal-cafe-blogzone/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/barack-obama-jon-corzine-2009.jpg

+1 REP

[TortoiseDream]

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[rp713]

lets win iowa, nevada, at least 2nd in NH, and a good showing in SC. then start attacking the obama and the dems. lets not get ahead of ourselves. plus rp has gone after obama, elected dictator anyone?

[row333au]

Obama hasn't fail.........to fail America

The only 'change' people are going to get are the ones jiggling in their pockets while shaking your heads from disbelief, after Pres. B O admin government have tax you out on a daily basis, as soon as they rigged the election for him.

Because every note that you may have are just 'promise sorry notes' to trillions of dollar note loans they have ram in the quickest way to start taxing you in advance.

The passing and getting of the loan is so quick, that even before the public get to read half way of the bold print sentences of the contract of intention to make a loan, and not even getting to the starting section page of a millions of fine print words and let alone understand the first sentences of it, since the bold letters do not even make sense......

Loans in the name of saving America via giving the money to the same corporations that caused America's bankruptcy and any left over are handed over to their super rich financial criminal friends and into their political pockets as they want all of that social security embezzled to all of them again as everyone of them bails out and don't wanna know any of your problems. But guess what you 'the public' has to pay for it as well as all other wishes they want, even on just lighting crumples of $500 notes to every time they light their cigars because it gives certain fine aroma and taste to inhaling the first puff or wipping their ass for its certain texture and feel....

And the solution you get is to allow them to sell all of the country to the globalist economy and become a global government under dictatorship masquerading as a saviour of mankind but are really doing this biblical proportion of countries annihilation and poverty creation in your face of disaster - yet you are to ignore the creator of the cause of all bad things.

The excuse your going to get from all those corrupt politicians is....

"I believe I was doing the right things that went horribly wrong because all of you did not make this wrong thing right, but I still believe that we can all make this right even how wrongly it is to make right, so it is, up to all of you to make this thing right, by doing all things wrong, in order to make things right for you all, that in itself could also go wrong for you all....." (clap, clap, clap, clap, slap their backs)....

[Feeding the Abscess]

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Lew, Tom Woods, and every other libertarian heavyweight will need to be brought on board to counter this type of nonsense.

Obama wasn't talking about Ron Paul, really (many of the references felt like they were pointed at Newt's rhetoric), but I sincerely doubt the current campaign team has the intellectual or historical heft to battle this type of talking point sloganeering.

[wgadget]

I'm thinking that IF RON PAUL decided to take on OBAMA NOW, he would prove to A LOT OF PEOPLE that he has the BALLS TO TAKE ON OBAMA.

Maybe just a little "appetizer" would be in order.

[wgadget]

LOL...Steve Deace just said RP's slogan should be "Ron Paul: He's crazy enough to do it."

BOSS

[wgadget]

If Ron Paul wins the nomination, Lew, Tom Woods, and every other libertarian heavyweight will need to be brought on board to counter this type of nonsense.

Obama wasn't talking about Ron Paul, really (many of the references felt like they were pointed at Newt's rhetoric), but I sincerely doubt the current campaign team has the intellectual or historical heft to battle this type of talking point sloganeering.

Newt was on Glenn Beck's radio show bragging that he was like Teddy Roosevelt, and Obama was doing much the same.

[Feeding the Abscess]

Newt was on Glenn Beck's radio show bragging that he was like Teddy Roosevelt, and Obama was doing much the same.

I was about to post the following:


I’m a Theodore Roosevelt Republican. In fact, if I were going to characterize my ‑‑ on health where I come from, I’m a Theodore Roosevelt Republican and I believe government can lean in the regulatory leaning is okay.

But some of the child labor law issues were talked about by Newt, that's what I think Obama was responding to.

[freefromchains]

This was the most sickening speech in Obama's presidency. I wanted to vomit after hearing this one.

[Wesker1982]

That quote is so full of BS, it made me feel physically angry. It's a misconception that has gone on in American politics for far too long.

Tom Woods does great responding to these myths. It would be awesome if he made a short video about it. There are long responses in some of his youtube videos but they are too long to mass distribute. If he did what he has been doing lately but respond to these myths, it would be epic.

[amy31416]

I don't know if this has been posted, but the author of this article speculates on this same thing:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/2012-election/ron-paul-finally-getting-some-love-media


A bit of a reach, yes, but Obama's much-ballyhooed Kansas speech today seems almost designed to run against Ron Paul, with a desperate repetition of the standard "market-failure" line about what Paul would argue was a monetary policy and regulation-caused crash, and a frontal attack on not the actual policies of the Republican Party but on legal conditions before Teddy Roosevelt and the Progressive era, you know, that 19th century that Paul's foes accuse him of living in.

Submitted by Reason Foundation on Dec 6, 2011
By Brian Doherty

[VCU for Ron Paul]

If Ron Paul is the nominee then there is absolutely no way any one can beat him. Once his views and rationale for them become widespread and analyzed by the masses themselves, instead of being forcefed his views as mischaracterizations by the MSM, then his support will really go BEASTMODE. A lot of Americans may be incredibly stupid, largely in the sense of they act as followers entirely too much and lack critical thinking skills, but there is no way even the misinformed, ignorant and even the just plain stupidones wouldn't simply "get it" and see the light if Ron gains the exposure of being the Republican nomination. Anyone agree?

[amy31416]

If Ron Paul is the nominee then there is absolutely no way any one can beat him. Once his views and rationale for them become widespread and analyzed by the masses themselves, instead of being forcefed his views as mischaracterizations by the MSM, then his support will really go BEASTMODE. A lot of Americans may be incredibly stupid, largely in the sense of they act as followers entirely too much and lack critical thinking skills, but there is no way even the misinformed, ignorant and even the just plain stupidones wouldn't simply "get it" and see the light if Ron gains the exposure of being the Republican nomination. Anyone agree?

No.

When the left goes "beastmode" if RP gets the nomination, we have almost the full backing of the right (who get inspired by leftwing attacks), us diehards, it re-ignites the 2008 RP base that became disillusioned, the majority of independents and some leftist anti-war types. If Paul gets the nomination, there is no predicting what will happen in the usual manner. It'll even throw Nate Silver for a triple-loop.

But...we'll be fighting a stealth battle against the real neocons, along with the neoliberals, both of whom have serious power.

PEW PEW PEW!

We're Americans, dammit, we love the underdog!

[kuckfeynes]

Ugh... Lefty facebook friends were drooling over this speech today. Watching people lap up the inconsistencies was making me nauseous.

There is nothing that would make me happier than to see Ron Paul casually pick apart Obama in debate. All the oratory skills in the world can't save him from that scalpel.

[wgadget]

Not to beat a dead horse, but I actually heard some media pundits saying that this could be a defining speech for the President, and that he is talking AGAINST liberty and what our nation is all about.

Can we trust Newt or Romney to lead us out of the wilderness? I think not.

[row333au]

Obama says capitalism and liberty don't work


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qmj4trja7w&feature=youtu.be

[Wesker1982]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840uysdm924

[Steppenwolf6]

Gingrich always called himself " A Roosevelt Republican"
Obama takes Roosevel as the example of "the good republican".
Let's remind people that with Gingrich/Obama we would have Roosevelt against Roosevelt.

The ONLY non Rooseveltian candidate:

RON PAUL 2012!

[amy31416]

Pandering to the OWS crowd?

[LibertyEagle]

Obama says capitalism and liberty don't work


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qmj4trja7w&feature=youtu.be

I hate being called, "a worker". Like we are little drones who exist to support the "superior" ones. :rolleyes:

[wgadget]

Gingrich always called himself " A Roosevelt Republican"
Obama takes Roosevel as the example of "the good republican".
Let's remind people that with Gingrich/Obama we would have Roosevelt against Roosevelt.

The ONLY non Rooseveltian candidate:

RON PAUL 2012!

Great point. It was the exact same day of the President's speech that Gingrich was on Glenn Beck talking about how he was so much like Teddy Roosevelt. What a coincidence.

The thing is, Obama/Romney/Gingrich/etc are ALL THE SAME. There is no difference between the parties, and I think more and more voters have realized this.

[Wesker1982]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYVAxNqRTKY


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNj2g2_dfkI

two more on the way

[Wesker1982]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbIIPtLEVbA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rf2Escui9ig