Beck hyping Paul Yesterday?

[sratiug]

I heard from a friend that Glen Beck yesterday said the coices were down to Paul and Backman and said a lot of good things about Paul for a couple of hours. Anybody catch any of that?

[Jtorsella]

Why is every talking head suddenly lining up to defend us?

[lucent]

Why is every talking head suddenly lining up to defend us?

That's easy, so they can stab us in the back.

[Carole]

Beck has already endorsed Bachmann-a week or so ago.

[rp08orbust]

Beck has already endorsed Bachmann-a week or so ago.

He's also endorsed Romney (in 2008), Perry, Santorum, Cain, Palin and even Christie, I believe.

[jdmyprez_deo_vindice]

Hard to stab someone in the back if you don't draw them in close to you first.

[row333au]

Either that or they stab you between the eyes; and then stab your back, on your way down...

[TroySmith]

I believe Beck sincerely loves ron paul on domestic issues and some foreign policy, but Beck is obviously very much pro intervention when it comes to Israel. He believes he has a rational reason for it. I believe there is room to work together. For example, if we could withdraw from UN, dramatically decrease our presence around the world, and leave Afghan and Iraq....a formal treaty with Israel in return may be worth it.

[smithtg]

Is a Beck endorsement worth anything? besides he is slimy

[KingNothing]

Why is every talking head suddenly lining up to defend us?

Because we're winning. Expect more of it as the winning continues.

We've got to learn how to handle it, too. There's no reason to react defensively when the media has kind words to say about our candidate.

[fatjohn]

Beck is an idiot.

Just dropping some thruthbombs

[All Ways]

yes, but then he offers nothing but a turd sandwich to much on. He sells lies with truths.

[vechorik]

He's also endorsed Romney (in 2008), Perry, Santorum, Cain, Palin and even Christie, I believe.

I don't agree -- but that's beside the point. For 2012, Beck has endorsed Bachmann/Santorum.

Yes, Beck is worth bothering with. Most Tea Party people are Beck fans and take his word as gospel. In fact, I agree with Beck on about 95% of what he says.

Yes, -- "the Israel thing" is the only thing separating Beck and Dr. Paul -- wish it could be worked out.

[Feeding the Abscess]

I believe Beck sincerely loves ron paul on domestic issues and some foreign policy, but Beck is obviously very much pro intervention when it comes to Israel. He believes he has a rational reason for it. I believe there is room to work together. For example, if we could withdraw from UN, dramatically decrease our presence around the world, and leave Afghan and Iraq....a formal treaty with Israel in return may be worth it.

Trade and friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.

[Spikender]

I don't agree -- but that's beside the point. For 2012, Beck has endorsed Bachmann/Santorum.

Yes, Beck is worth bothering with. Most Tea Party people are Beck fans and take his word as gospel. In fact, I agree with Beck on about 95% of what he says.

Yes, -- "the Israel thing" is the only thing separating Beck and Dr. Paul -- wish it could be worked out.

Exactly, I think Beck started me on the road to Libertarianism, but he lost me with the Israel stuff and that's when he started to lose my support. Beck talks a lot of good stuff about Ron Paul, but then can't support him over one issue? Not to mention that this particular issue, Ron's foreign policy, is actually better for Israel in the long run because it cuts off her enemies from our aid and let's her have her sovereignty back. I've read some of Beck's books, and he does his research, and he always tells to do our own research. Well I believe that Beck needs to do a little more research into this issue, and then he'll realize his mistake. Either that, or he won't care and will continue down this road, like much of the other talking heads.

[PastaRocket848]

beck is an extremely disingenuous, intellectually dishonest person. i dont even think he has any core conviction or beliefs, beyond saying whatever he thinks will cause people to plop down $5 a month. just like every other talking head...

[Nathan Hale]

Beck has always been an 80% friend to this movement, and we've always treated him like a 20% enemy. I could see him genuinely getting behind Ron Paul, because he agrees with Paul on most issues. Sure, he has a problem with some of the intervention stuff, but he knows he's going to have to compromise on some of his issues when selecting a candidate to back.

[outspoken]

Beck can't get over Israel is not the 51st state that happens to pay no taxes. Beck played a large part in waking me up but his denounciation of RP's foreign policy blows my mind when he knows what the Constitution says.

[JakeH]

Any positive press is good news, especially when it comes from someone with as large of an audience as Beck.

[Hospitaller]

The best way for us and the campaign to handle this kind of changing press is to stay subtly cynical and spectate

[matt0611]

beck is an extremely disingenuous, intellectually dishonest person. i dont even think he has any core conviction or beliefs, beyond saying whatever he thinks will cause people to plop down $5 a month. just like every other talking head...

This. Beck is no friend. The only core conviction he really has is Israel.
**** Glenn Beck

[milo10]

I believe Beck sincerely loves ron paul on domestic issues and some foreign policy, but Beck is obviously very much pro intervention when it comes to Israel. He believes he has a rational reason for it. I believe there is room to work together. For example, if we could withdraw from UN, dramatically decrease our presence around the world, and leave Afghan and Iraq....a formal treaty with Israel in return may be worth it.

This isn't some innocent ideological choice, and it's not a free market of ideas. Manic support of Israel is a benchmark of neo-conservatism. If Beck were to abandon that, he would be marginalized the way that paleoconservatives have been marginalized by neoconservatives over the last several decades.

It's possible that by no longer being connected to Fox, he has enough independence to make that leap, but in the final analysis, we shouldn't talk about these individuals like they are lilies of the field who are really thinking about these issues and rationally coming to the best conclusions. They play by the rules.

There is some literature on this. Paul Findley's "They Dare to Speak Out" and Mearsheimer & Walt's "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy."

More and more Ron Paul fans need to be aware of this. This is not just some lingering prejudice against Arabs, or some misguided anger re 9/11, or some unknowing Christian idealization of the Israeli state.

[iamse7en]

Any tubage?

[Athan]

That's easy, so they can stab us in the back.
The patented BECK-STAB.
Any potential Beck supporter is a victim.

[agorist ninja]

Geez, the comments in here.

Let's get this straight: Glenn Beck is a creation of the Koch Brothers. Pure evil, neocon scum. Beck will never be your friend because of who propelled him to where he is now. Sure, it's pleasing to hear talking heads speak positively of Ron Paul but, make no mistake, they will all stab you in the back if you your guard down.

[agorist ninja]

Geez, the comments in here.

Let's get this straight: Glenn Beck is a creation of the Koch Brothers. Pure evil, neocon scum. Beck will never be your friend because of who propelled him to where he is now. Sure, it's pleasing to hear talking heads speak positively of Ron Paul but, make no mistake, they will all stab you in the back if you let your guard down.

[AuH20]

Geez, the comments in here.

Let's get this straight: Glenn Beck is a creation of the Koch Brothers. Pure evil, neocon scum. Beck will never be your friend because of who propelled him to where he is now. Sure, it's pleasing to hear talking heads speak positively of Ron Paul but, make no mistake, they will all stab you in the back if you let your guard down.

We get it. We're supposed to hate Glenn Beck. Gotcha. Will do.

[Verrater]

Why do people downplay positive support and up play negative support?
I'd like to know if people think that saying "beck is an idiot" to thousands of potential voters who may come to this forum will have a positive impact on the campaign.

[AuH20]

This isn't some innocent ideological choice, and it's not a free market of ideas. Manic support of Israel is a benchmark of neo-conservatism. If Beck were to abandon that, he would be marginalized the way that paleoconservatives have been marginalized by neoconservatives over the last several decades.

It's possible that by no longer being connected to Fox, he has enough independence to make that leap, but in the final analysis, we shouldn't talk about these individuals like they are lilies of the field who are really thinking about these issues and rationally coming to the best conclusions. They play by the rules.

There is some literature on this. Paul Findley's "They Dare to Speak Out" and Mearsheimer & Walt's "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy."

More and more Ron Paul fans need to be aware of this. This is not just some lingering prejudice against Arabs, or some misguided anger re 9/11, or some unknowing Christian idealization of the Israeli state.

But his manic support is faith based as opposed to the calculated motives of neoconservative intellectuals. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

[vechorik]

Why do people downplay positive support and up play negative support?
I'd like to know if people think that saying "beck is an idiot" to thousands of potential voters who may come to this forum will have a positive impact on the campaign.

You can thank Beck for leading me to support Ron Paul!

[AuH20]

Why do people downplay positive support and up play negative support?
I'd like to know if people think that saying "beck is an idiot" to thousands of potential voters who may come to this forum will have a positive impact on the campaign.

Because the Alex Jones crowd hates Beck. And this is coming from someone who likes both AJ and Beck despite their occasional foibles. The more dissemination of critical information, the better.

[trey4sports]

lol. i love how some folks think the Koch Bro's are behind everything.

[milo10]

But his manic support is faith based as opposed to the calculated motives of neoconservative intellectuals. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

That is possible, but would Christianity excuse their constant know-nothing stance? Always the same quote that Iran wants to wipe Israel off the face of the earth, the same bizarro notion that Iran wants to do a kamikaze stunt with one nuclear weapon against a nation with hundreds of them. They don't even acknowledge that Ahmadinejad is a figurehead who holds little direct political power in Iran. The most ridiculous idea they trot out is the idea that a nuclear weapon could be launched by anonymous terrorists in a city (as if that is a new idea, this was talked about in the 1950s during the cold war), and nobody would know who did it. Implying nobody would suspect Iran??

It's just too irrational, too thoughtless. If their main concern was to help Israel and ensure that Christian sites were preserved and so forth, they would really put some thought into these things, and not let that part of the world devolve into a war theater. Maybe they don't reach Paul's conclusion, but I never see them particularly critical of the Israeli govt. There is no balance, no diversity to their positions.

[milo10]

Why do people downplay positive support and up play negative support?
I'd like to know if people think that saying "beck is an idiot" to thousands of potential voters who may come to this forum will have a positive impact on the campaign.

I didn't mind Beck for awhile. I thought he was a little silly, but he would have Napolitano host his program some time as I recall, and he did come off as more libertarian-friendly than Hannity and O'Reilly, so I thought he was moving in the right direction. Then he laid a trap for Debra Medina (that she didn't police her campaign against having 9/11 Truther volunteers? WTF???) which perhaps only he had enough credibility with the relatively mindless Tea Party to pull off. That sunk her campaign against Perry, and was probably the biggest political blow to having libertarian-type politicians in political office that we've seen in the past couple of years.

Whatever you think of Alex Jones, he did a great job of covering that. It is one of the reasons he hates Beck so much.

[joshnorris14]

Yea, Beck lost all of my sympathy after the Medina ambush.

[TheTexan]

Why do people downplay positive support and up play negative support?
I'd like to know if people think that saying "beck is an idiot" to thousands of potential voters who may come to this forum will have a positive impact on the campaign.

This. The media is no longer our enemy. Time to adjust outlook & strategy.

[MikeM39]

This isn't some innocent ideological choice, and it's not a free market of ideas. Manic support of Israel is a benchmark of neo-conservatism. If Beck were to abandon that, he would be marginalized the way that paleoconservatives have been marginalized by neoconservatives over the last several decades.

It's possible that by no longer being connected to Fox, he has enough independence to make that leap, but in the final analysis, we shouldn't talk about these individuals like they are lilies of the field who are really thinking about these issues and rationally coming to the best conclusions. They play by the rules.

There is some literature on this. Paul Findley's "They Dare to Speak Out" and Mearsheimer & Walt's "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy."

More and more Ron Paul fans need to be aware of this. This is not just some lingering prejudice against Arabs, or some misguided anger re 9/11, or some unknowing Christian idealization of the Israeli state.

You are right, insane support for Israel is just a profitable career track for these Republican talk show hosts because the AIPAC/Israel Lobby is the establishment power.

[Athan]

We get it. We're supposed to hate Glenn Beck. Gotcha. Will do.
Well then.. as you were.

[MikeM39]

Because the Alex Jones crowd hates Beck. And this is coming from someone who likes both AJ and Beck despite their occasional foibles. The more dissemination of critical information, the better.

Beck is poison, that you love him speaks volumes. Alex Jones is wonderful compared to that snake.

[NewRightLibertarian]

We get it. We're supposed to hate Glenn Beck. Gotcha. Will do.

Yeah, this guy is supposedly evil according to many of the reactionaries around here. I don't believe it. He isn't perfect and has his faults (his blind support of Israel and Muslim fear-mongering) but he's done the country a great service getting a lot of key information to the masses.


lol. i love how some folks think the Koch Bro's are behind everything.

They're the masterminds of the vast libertarian conspiracy that pulls the strings behind the scenes, haven't you heard?

[AlexG]

lol. i love how some folks think the Koch Bro's are behind everything.

Same here. Its like "if you think they're evil and neo-con they're a Koch bro creation!"

[AuH20]

Beck is poison, that you love him speaks volumes. Alex Jones is wonderful compared to that snake.

All roads ultimately lead to Ron Paul. I want more so-called 'poison.'

[MikeM39]

All roads ultimately lead to Ron Paul. I want more so-called 'poison.'

Actually with Beck all roads lead to Jerusalem and his considering himself to be a Jew even though of course he isn't. He even said on his show that if the anti-Semites come to round up the Jews he wants to be the first one they put in the camps. What a drama queen.

[AuH20]

Actually with Beck all roads lead to Jerusalem and his considering himself to be a Jew even though of course he isn't. He even said on his show that if the anti-Semites come to round up the Jews he wants to be the first one they put in the camps. What a drama queen.

The ongoing war for freedom is about ideas and the spreading of these ideas into a national dialogue. You're getting worked up about personal preferences which don't really matter. Glenn has a faith-based loyalty to the Holy Land and the Jews. Good for him but I don't really subscribe to it. As long as he keeps promoting Ron Paul and Ron Paul's ideas, I will continue to support him. The same policy applies to Alex Jones. Strangely enough, Ron Paul's rising appeal has mirrored Beck's ascent of the last few years because they are on the same wavelength, in terms of concerns.

[MikeM39]

The ongoing war for freedom is about ideas. You're getting worked up about personal preferences which don't really matter. Glenn has a faith-based loyalty to the Holy Land and the Jews. Good for him but I don't really subscribe to it. As long as he keeps promoting Ron Paul and Ron Paul's ideas, I will continue to support him. The same policy applies to Alex Jones. Strangely enough, Ron Paul's rising appeal has mirrored Beck's ascent of the last few years because they are on the same wavelength, in terms of concerns.

Does Beck endorse Ron Paul in the primaries? No, of course not. He also said on his show that out of all the candidates only Bachmann and Santorum have complete integrity. That's a slap in Ron Paul's face but you just take it.

[row333au]

Truth is his tool (like how Christian cult leaders have done) and then manipulate you from you with his interpretations and solutions (whereby those have agenda behind on an alternate motive).....this is what a shill does and his also a gatekeeper...

Example, whether you believe in 9/11 truther's cause or the FEMA camps or not, the principle is he should have at least have a real debate, present his evidence and make critical evidence analysis to get the truth. But he wouldn't and just base it on his words "anyone believing in those are evil and against God and as bad as those to have done it", and very flawed transcripts of government commission reports.

He first baited all his audience with his 9/11 truther and FEMA with emotional attitude of seeking the truth to get their confidence and trust. And then have this revelation that the whole things are lies and conjecture of imagination rather than have a real public concern truth seeking then he throws in the 'too big to persecute' reason that if it does will destroy the country a part (well, how about those families that have to deal with disheartening life and death in wars we shouldn't be, that are base on lies).

He also does well with his democrats vs republican, left and right, socialism vs capitalist; he's really into dividing and blaming and one sided leading; his explanation has merit but its far more than one culprits of evil factions the wold is dealing with, as in multitude of vying for same control with their different methods and approach but they all unite against us.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf33g9ep4YU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNE0vHXCIUQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJSd-ymwYzE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRfgiWiMvI&feature=related

[jmdrake]

Why is every talking head suddenly lining up to defend us?

Ratings?

[AuH20]

He also does well with his democrats vs republican, left and right, socialism vs capitalist; he's really into dividing and blaming and one sided leading; his explanation has merit but its far more than one culprits of evil factions the wold is dealing with, as in multitude of vying for same control with their different methods and approach but they all unite against us.



Beck has talked extensively about the duopoly:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vapf2iQMhf4


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKEObC_vfwo


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxOWcWqShKw

[JK/SEA]

I sure miss all those Glenn Beck threads...i remember...sigh...the good ol' days..

[AuH20]

Does Beck endorse Ron Paul in the primaries? No, of course not. He also said on his show that out of all the candidates only Bachmann and Santorum have complete integrity. That's a slap in Ron Paul's face but you just take it.

Take what? He's entitled to his own opinion. Bachmann is a Ron Paul lite but certainly not the dramatic change we need.

[Occam's Banana]

lol. i love how some folks think the Koch Bro's are behind everything.
Just out of curiosity, who signs your checks - Charles or David?
;)

[rideurlightning]

I have to say, Beck also lead me to my libertarian beliefs. And just like everyone else, he lost me on Israel.

[TroySmith]

Trade and friendship with all nations; entangling alliances with none.


This can't happen overnight. There must be a transition period. Getting huge cuts elsewhere while basically maintaining relationships with Israel is a step in the right direction. Once people see the world isn't going to explode when we don't have 900 bases around the world, it will be easier to have real foreign policy discussions that don't disintegrate into "Iran will blow up the whole world though!".

[seyferjm]

I have to say, Beck also lead me to my libertarian beliefs. And just like everyone else, he lost me on Israel.

Same here. I have no real anti-Israel feelings, but the Israeli-first crowd drives me nuts.

[mpdsapuser]

The frustrating thing about Glenn Beck is that he truly does admire our founding fathers. Unfortunately, he draws a line at the founding fathers' views on foreign policy. If Ron Paul is bizarre when it comes to foreign policy so too was George Washington, of whom he just wrote a book about.

[AuH20]

The frustrating thing about Glenn Beck is that he truly does admire our founding fathers. Unfortunately, he draws a line at the founding fathers' views on foreign policy. If Ron Paul is bizarre when it comes to foreign policy so too was George Washington, of whom he just wrote a book about.

It's not even that. He draws a big circle around Israel because it's allegedly God's land. So he really is a non-interventionist, if you don't count Israel. LOL

[joshnorris14]

The Kochtopus has a hate for Rothbardians, remember that.

[Steppenwolf6]

Big drama queen,mightily overrated,yes.
On the other hand He DOES go to O'Really factor and says things like:
" What a sad situation for republicans,having to pick between two big spending,progressive politicians like Romney and Gingrich!"

And all this while Bill'O try to position Gingrich as the seriously "conservative " (!?) candidate.
many of his followers somehow have turned and are turning Ron Paul fans,his endorsement or not.

[king_nothing_]

WWRPD? He certainly wouldn't be making hateful remarks about someone after they have spoken fondly of him. The negativity in here is uncalled for.

When someone speaks positively of Ron Paul, we should respond positively to that. It's that simple. Being persistently negative towards someone regardless of what they're saying isn't going to do anyone any good.

[gmc1988]

lol. i love how some folks think the Koch Bro's are behind everything.

Just like Soros. The left blames the Kochs and loves Soros, while the Right does the exact opposite.

[Aigik]

Why is every talking head suddenly lining up to defend us?

With the exception of Limbaugh, I have noticed that once in a while, Hannity and Beck say something nice about Paul. I wonder if they'll ever come around completely one day? Their support would be huge, they have a lot of brainwashed supporters who believe everything they say.

[gmc1988]

It's possible that by no longer being connected to Fox, he has enough independence to make that leap, but in the final analysis, we shouldn't talk about these individuals like they are lilies of the field who are really thinking about these issues and rationally coming to the best conclusions. They play by the rules.

Glenn has become even more pro Israel since leaving Fox then he was while he was employed by them.

[Steppenwolf6]

Just like Soros. The left blames the Kochs and loves Soros, while the Right does the exact opposite.

And the Koch's and the Soros's go out for dinner all together and love each other.

[bluesc]

- We (us) support him even though we know he won't win
- He is for small government
- If Beck wasn't pissing himself over Muslims, he would support Ron
- Ron isn't really an outsider, because he's been in Congress for a while

That's what I just heard.

[dbill27]

Beck has backed santorum and bachman hard and look where they are polling, Beck= No one important.

[COpatriot]

And after the next debate, he'll go back to slamming Ron again. The guy is a backstabbing, lying piece of shit and a demagogue. He has made that perfectly clear multiple times. How people can still defend him on this site blows my mind. He offers little-to-no substance anymore and bases everything he does now on the single most mundane issue that is the narrow strip of land on the eastern side of the Mediterranean. He claims to support liberty and small government and then backs war-mongering, patriot act loving people like Bachmann and Santorum. He stands for absolutely nothing which goes against everything he preaches to his audience about.

Fuck Glenn Beck.

[Echoes]

Glen Beck will say ANYTHING for ratings and money, he's no different then Gingrich in that regard. To compare him to Alex Jones is laughable, Alex is a great patriot.

[AuH20]

Glen Beck will say ANYTHING for ratings and money, he's no different then Gingrich in that regard. To compare him to Alex Jones is laughable, Alex is a great patriot.

I don't think it's that simple. Beck has more money than he knows what to do with and he walked away from Fox because he was sick of their controlling nature. Secondly, his radio show was bringing him much more income than the daily TV program. Now regarding Alex Jones, he has his share of skeletons, most notably relating to William Cooper.

[Marky]

The election of Obama allowed Beck to transform himself from just another neocon Bush defender to a psuedo-Patrick Henry faux Constitutionalist. Where was Beck when Bush and Paulson were pushing for the TARP Bailouts?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909210037

The guy’s a total fraud.

I truly believe many of these fake conservatives would rather have another 4 years of Obama to keep their ratings up. Rush was at his peak of popularity when Clinton was in office.

[Aden]

A week ago I was in the car driving and heard Beck state, "if I had to pull the lever today, it would be for Santorum. It's a hard choice between him and Bachmann. Them two are the only 'George Washingtons' running."

[MikeM39]

I don't think it's that simple. Beck has more money than he knows what to do with and he walked away from Fox because he was sick of their controlling nature. Secondly, his radio show was bringing him much more income than the daily TV program. Now regarding Alex Jones, he has his share of skeletons, most notably relating to William Cooper.

Beck did not "walk away from Fox", they ended his show. Essentially he was fired but they gave him the courtesy of not calling it that.

[Feeding the Abscess]

This can't happen overnight. There must be a transition period. Getting huge cuts elsewhere while basically maintaining relationships with Israel is a step in the right direction. Once people see the world isn't going to explode when we don't have 900 bases around the world, it will be easier to have real foreign policy discussions that don't disintegrate into "Iran will blow up the whole world though!".

Maintaining the current relationship with Israel while pulling troops from everywhere else won't fully solve the problem. One of the motivations to attack us is our support of Israel.

[Steppenwolf6]

Got to give it to Beck..
He kicked some serious Newt 's butt here:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/beck-doesnt-hold-back-in-gingrich-interview-tough-questions-on-mandates-big-govt-and-global-warming/

Newt's fans at the blaze are SO pissed off at Beck right now!

Ron Paul fans there are loving it.
Too bad Bachmann-Romney's do too..

[Steppenwolf6]

Got to give it to Bachmann too,in another Beck interview,same day:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/bachmann-calls-newt-a-frugal-socialist-during-radio-interview-with-glenn-beck/

In one day the newt is got his butt double and triple kicked by Beck.