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light200763
12-05-2011, 05:22 PM
Does Universal Health Care lead to Health Care Rationing ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_rationing

LibForestPaul
12-05-2011, 07:28 PM
No. Some old bum living on the streets with colon cancer is going to receive a million dollar treatment to save his @ss.
Second, if you aint one of the powers that be, you are closer to this bum than you think.

Divide and conquer, worked before on stupid mundanes, it will work again.

Gays vs fatties vs crippleds vs elderly vs young vs drunks vs druggies vs coloreds vs illegals vs whites vs north vs south. HAHHAHAH. It's surreal watching an empire die.

Zippyjuan
12-05-2011, 10:45 PM
Lead to rationing? That would assume that it is not rationed today. Can anybody get any treatment they want or need at any time? Or are they restricted by their insurance coverage. their lack of insurance, their income. It has always been rationed.

Acala
12-06-2011, 09:08 AM
Lead to rationing? That would assume that it is not rationed today. Can anybody get any treatment they want or need at any time? Or are they restricted by their insurance coverage. their lack of insurance, their income. It has always been rationed.

Being unable to afford something is not the same as rationing. Rationing is government control of purchases based on criteria other than ability to pay.

Acala
12-06-2011, 09:13 AM
Does Universal Health Care lead to Health Care Rationing ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_rationing

The answer is yes. Here is why: the current problem with health care is high prices caused by government restricting supply and subsidizing demand. Universal Health Care gooses demand even further by dramatically increasing government subsidy. If you use the existing government-run system of universal healthcare known as the VA as a model, taking the cost per person served, and extrapolate to the entire population, the cost of such a system would be so absurdly beyond any ability of government to pay that price controls would have to be instituted immediately. When prices are held artificially low, the result is shortage. Shortages lead to rationing. And the black market.

Diurdi
12-06-2011, 09:20 AM
Does Universal Health Care lead to Health Care Rationing ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_rationing

Ofcourse. Health Care Rationing causes Queues, which are very long in Finland for example.

Travlyr
12-06-2011, 01:29 PM
The answer is yes. Here is why: the current problem with health care is high prices caused by government restricting supply and subsidizing demand. Universal Health Care gooses demand even further by dramatically increasing government subsidy. If you use the existing government-run system of universal healthcare known as the VA as a model, taking the cost per person served, and extrapolate to the entire population, the cost of such a system would be so absurdly beyond any ability of government to pay that price controls would have to be instituted immediately. When prices are held artificially low, the result is shortage. Shortages lead to rationing. And the black market.
Exactly. If government would get out of the health care business, then people could afford to go to the doctor.

Zippyjuan
12-06-2011, 04:38 PM
Being unable to afford something is not the same as rationing. Rationing is government control of purchases based on criteria other than ability to pay.
If you have insurance, insurance companies do that all the time. Care is definately rationed. As I said, the alternative to not rationing is to let everybody have everything they want as far as medical care goes and that doesn't happen anywhere under any system in the world.

donnay
12-06-2011, 04:45 PM
Does Universal Health Care lead to Health Care Rationing ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_rationing

Absolutely it will ration care. The cradle to grave care will push a eugenicists plan.

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Cutlerzzz
12-06-2011, 04:48 PM
Both the market and the government would/do ration care as there is not an unlimited source of health care. But, the government does not really respond to various price signals that the market does to attempt to satisfy supply and demand, making it far less efficient.

LibForestPaul
12-06-2011, 06:21 PM
Who the hell is rationing my damn Mazerati? Damn employer not paying me my fair share!