Paul > Trump.

[febo]

The more I think about this the better it gets.

Ron Paul has played the vacuous media game against itself. He has leveraged Trump's celebrity status to get to a much wider audience. He's blown a piece of fluff into his face, and when he opens it up, inside he finds this little message which says Time to shut up.

[Revolution9]

Trump is infuriated. Ron is like a willow tree. Trump can snap at any time and Ron just bends with the winds to remain solidly rooted. The American TV watching public will eat this up. Trump will spend all week on this and his gambit the cabal devised to attempt to pull down our guy, but they still do not realize they are in the spotlight of a divine comedy and like Wile E. Coyote every acme gambit and contraption they devise will backfire on them leaving them a soot covered cartoon.

Rev9

[febo]

The whole thing is about stopping Ron Paul.
Trump has been sent in to do a job on Paul.
There is no other explanation, they are that desperate for RP to lose.
And it failed ... superbly

[bluesc]

The whole thing is about stopping Ron Paul.
Trump has been sent in to do a job on Paul.
There is no other explanation, they are that desperate for RP to lose.
And it failed ... superbly

Trump is their tool. I bet, once Ron is the nominee, the media will pump Trump as "the independent who could actually win". CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, Rush, Beck, Levin, Savage, NewsMax, Yahoo,. All of them. Once he enters, he takes a chunk of Ron's base and it will be extremely tough.

That's just some negative thinking leaking out though. Don't be surprised if it happens.

[pauladin]

i wouldn't be surprised if later trump starts going after the ron paul survival report just like he was obama's birth certificate. just sayin'.

[Ranger29860]

The whole thing is about stopping Ron Paul.
Trump has been sent in to do a job on Paul.
There is no other explanation, they are that desperate for RP to lose.
And it failed ... superbly

I think this situation is a lot simpler than that.

Trump is a huge egomaniac and bully. He can't stand being stood upto and being called out. So he will huff and puff all the while making himself look like even more of a fool. Only to run away crying because he can't handle not winning or being in control.

[pauladin]

I think this situation is a lot simpler than that.

Trump is a huge egomaniac and bully. He can't stand being stood upto and being called out. So he will huff and puff all the while making himself look like even more of a fool. Only to run away crying because he can't handle not winning or being in control.

trump will do what he can to throw a wrench in ron's gears just so he doesn't have to be wrong about saying ron can't win. whatever it takes to preserve his ego.

[LisaNY]

i wouldn't be surprised if later trump starts going after the ron paul survival report just like he was obama's birth certificate. just sayin'.

Then we can go after Trump's chickenshit draft dodging report:

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-04-29/news/29510281_1_donald-trump-deferment-selective-service-records

[FreedomProsperityPeace]

The whole thing is about stopping Ron Paul.
Trump has been sent in to do a job on Paul.
There is no other explanation, they are that desperate for RP to lose.
And it failed ... superblyTrump tried to do a job on Obama with that birther nonsense and it blew up in his face. He humiliated himself and the GOP. You'd think he'd wise up.

[speciallyblend]

Trump is infuriated. Ron is like a willow tree. Trump can snap at any time and Ron just bends with the winds to remain solidly rooted. The American TV watching public will eat this up. Trump will spend all week on this and his gambit the cabal devised to attempt to pull down our guy, but they still do not realize they are in the spotlight of a divine comedy and like Wile E. Coyote every acme gambit and contraption they devise will backfire on them leaving them a soot covered cartoon.

Rev9

well put, rev9 must be like 75 or older? he is to wise to be younger;)

[milo10]

Trump is their tool. I bet, once Ron is the nominee, the media will pump Trump as "the independent who could actually win". CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, Rush, Beck, Levin, Savage, NewsMax, Yahoo,. All of them. Once he enters, he takes a chunk of Ron's base and it will be extremely tough.

That's just some negative thinking leaking out though. Don't be surprised if it happens.

What is cool is that Ron made that a little harder by refusing to go to the debate. It's nice his campaign is thinking several steps ahead to what they will have to face if they get the nomination. They just made a blow to Trump's credibility, and baited him into acting like a jackass.

If Romney decides to stay out of the Trump debate, I'd say that Trump is harmed even worse. He goes from being a galvanizing figure to a polarizing one, which makes a third party run seem kind of silly.

[febo]

And it gets better.
Think about Romney. He's got one foot on the dock and one in the boat. If he takes part in the debate he's a flip flop, if he doesn't he's still a flip flop and he kills the debate so RP doesn't have to worry about any loss of exposure.

[freeforall]

and baited him into acting like a jackass.

doesn't take much.

[WilliamC]

In one of the comments to a story linked off of Drudge about this the commentator made comparison of the Trump event as the 'Paris Hilton' moderated debate.

Scary to think though there are large numbers of people who wouldn't understand the absurdity of having Paris Hilton moderate a presidential debate and who would think less of Ron Paul for not attending. Hopefully there won't be many of them voting in the Republican primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire.

[Ranger29860]

In one of the comments to a story linked off of Drudge about this the commentator made comparison of the Trump event as the 'Paris Hilton' moderated debate.

Scary to think though there are large numbers of people who wouldn't understand the absurdity of having Paris Hilton moderate a presidential debate and who would think less of Ron Paul for not attending. Hopefully there won't be many of them voting in the Republican primaries in Iowa and New Hampshire.

But celebrities (if you want to call them that I refer to them usually as mental porn stars :)) are well informed and in touch with the common people of the nation. Plus i have seen a few play the president so they obviously know what to ask .

[febo]

What makes it so good is that this probably not a slick piece of political manoeuvering by Paul. It's a sponanteous response.
Paul is putting the dignity of Iowa ahead of a big opportunity to campaign.

[Revolution9]

well put, rev9 must be like 75 or older? he is to wise to be younger;)

54 revolutions around the sun, 30 years physically, mega-millenial soul. Looney Tunes rocks!


Thx:)
Rev9

[Tinnuhana]

Newsmax had an article today about how top producers were lined up to produce this Trump debate; more or less saying that experts are running it..pretty obvious attempt at making Ron's decision foolish.

[ghengis86]

http://lewrockwell.com/crovelli/crovelli65.1.html


I have to admit that I was somewhat disappointed when the Ron Paul campaign decided to skip the Republican "debate" being staged by Donald Trump. I was looking forward to seeing the most distinguished and honorable politician in the last fifty years making a fool out the megalomaniacal "moderator" with the appalling toupee.

It turns out, however, that Ron Paul didn’t even have to show up in order to make a fool out of Donald Trump. Trump is one of those rare individuals who can’t help making a complete ass out of himself when there is no one else around to do it for him, and this occasion was no different. Trump took the Paul campaign’s bait and spectacularly embarrassed himself.

The Paul campaign declined to attend the "debate" precisely because Donald Trump had been named the so-called "moderator." In the Paul campaign’s words:

The selection of a reality television personality to host a presidential debate that voters nationwide will be watching is beneath the office of the Presidency and flies in the face of that office’s history and dignity. Mr. Trump’s participation as moderator will distract from questions and answers concerning important issues such as the national economy, crushing federal government debt, the role of the federal government, foreign policy, and the like. To be sure, Mr. Trump’s participation will contribute to an unwanted circus-like atmosphere.

The true brilliance of this press release should not be overlooked, whether it was intentional or not. The press release was careful to identify Trump alone as the sole deal-breaker as far as Ron Paul was concerned. The campaign did not name Newsmax, a neocon propaganda outfit that could not possibly be expected to give Ron Paul a fair shake in any "debate" it sponsored, as a reason for opting out.

Again, whether the Paul campaign knew in advance that Trump is a gigantic buffoon who couldn’t help making an ass out of himself is unknown, but the press release could not have produced a better result, because it clearly hurt the flop-haired billionaire’s feelings. He must have been relishing the idea of having all the Republican presidential candidates sitting in front of him, intently listening to his pompous voice somehow finding its way out of those peculiar lips, as if he was back on The Apprentice. He was finally going to be someone important in politics, someone the Republicans were going to have to listen to.

The Paul campaign’s press release dashed the poor billionaire’s hopes by announcing publicly that Ron Paul was refusing to attend. What is worse, the Paul campaign listed Trump alone as the reason for Ron Paul’s refusal to attend, calling him a television clown, in effect, because of the "circus-like atmosphere" he would generate. Good Lord, what an insult!

His feelings hurt, Trump could no doubt have avoided making a complete ass of himself by expressing his regret that one of the forerunning candidates was not going to show up to his big event and leave it at that. But acting gracefully and honorably is not Trump’s style, and so he decided to open his big mouth (metaphorically speaking in Trump’s case, of course). What came out of his mouth must have made the head honchos over at Newsmax cringe.

Trump lashed out at the Paul campaign, saying he was "glad [Ron Paul] and Jon Huntsman, who has inconsequential poll numbers or a chance of winning, will not be attending the debate and wasting the time of the viewers who are trying very hard to make a very important decision." Since Newsmax and Trump had extended invitations to both Huntsman and Paul, which they did not have to do, Trump was playing the part of the spoiled child who, upon learning one of his classmates won’t be attending his birthday party, screams out "Good, I didn’t want him to come anyway." If Donald and Newsmax really didn’t want Paul and Huntsman to attend, they wouldn’t have extended invitations to begin with. After all, why would Donald agree to moderate what he considered to be a badly conceived debate that was scheduled to include distracting nobodies? Did he agree to moderate a badly conceived debate that included distracting nobodies just because he wanted to be on TV?

If he had limited himself to stating that he was pleased that Huntsman and Paul were not going to attend, Trump would not have made a complete ass of himself. Sure, he would have looked classless, which of course he is, but he would not have completely embarrassed himself. But Trump could not help tacking on some additional comments to ensure he looked ridiculous. It’s his style. It’s what he’s known for.

Having a big mouth (again, very metaphorically speaking), Trump decided it would be a good idea to attack Ron Paul’s chances of being elected. Now, setting aside the fact that Ron Paul has risen to be a top-tier contender in the polls, Trump made his comments as the scheduled moderator of this so-called "debate." Think about that for a minute. Trump is scheduled to "moderate" the debate to ensure that it is fair, and that each candidate has a chance to get his message through, and yet he decides it would be a good idea to attack one of the candidates before the event. Does that sound like something a moderator would do? Not only that, but the Paul campaign had specifically questioned Trump’s ability to moderate as their reason for opting out of the debate, and yet Trump could not help but say something anathema to moderators everywhere. The poor guy walked right into the Paul campaign’s trap!

All this would be bad enough, but Trump really went out of his way to viciously attack the Paul campaign. He did not, by contrast, go out of his way to insult Huntsman, beyond saying that he had no chance of winning, even though Huntsman was also choosing not to attend. He called Paul "clown-like," (a childish way of returning the Paul campaign’s observation that Trump is a television clown), and he specifically attacked Paul’s poll numbers, even though they are top-tier at the moment. Think about that for a minute. Would it really be necessary to viciously attack a candidate that had no chance of winning, just because he refused to attend a debate? If so, then why didn’t Trump attack Huntsman? Isn’t the act of responding lengthily to a "fringe candidate" an admission that the candidate is truly consequential?

Donald’s mention of Paul’s poll numbers is the real kicker, however. How Trump, the named "moderator" of a Republican debate, can be unaware of how well Ron Paul is polling right now is absolutely beyond me. Not only that, but if poll numbers are what are important, then why did Trump not ask for the rest of the candidates with pathetic poll numbers, like Bachmann, to be excluded from the debate? If poll numbers do matter, however, (and Trump’s completely delusional claim that he has polled better than Ron Paul seems to indicate that he knows they do matter), then how can he claim with a straight face, as he always does, that Paul has no chance of winning?

The answer is that Donald Trump is a moronic television clown, just like the Paul campaign insinuated, who was not sharp enough to sidestep an obvious trap. A more brilliant political maneuver could not be conceived to take down a megalomaniac with a penchant for embarrassing himself. It’s truly a shame that Donald Trump is not bright enough to realize what just happened.

December 5, 2011

[Romulus]

Ron is not getting played this time around....

First the attack ad on Newt...

Now the BIG DOG ad?

Ron is calling the shots! Hell yea I am pumped about it - The man is coming out swinging, going ALL Out. That mean one thing, WE must go all IN!

[PursuePeace]

Trump is infuriated. Ron is like a willow tree. Trump can snap at any time and Ron just bends with the winds to remain solidly rooted. The American TV watching public will eat this up. Trump will spend all week on this and his gambit the cabal devised to attempt to pull down our guy, but they still do not realize they are in the spotlight of a divine comedy and like Wile E. Coyote every acme gambit and contraption they devise will backfire on them leaving them a soot covered cartoon.

Rev9


love this post.

[sailingaway]

trump is nothing. Ron is just saying so. Sometimes when an obvious point everyone has been ignoring is pointed out, it amazes people.

[sailingaway]

I think this situation is a lot simpler than that.

Trump is a huge egomaniac and bully. He can't stand being stood upto and being called out. So he will huff and puff all the while making himself look like even more of a fool. Only to run away crying because he can't handle not winning or being in control.

this

[Captain Shays]

I went to one of Trumps seminars with my wife a couple of years ago and the entire thing was on how to use government money for your projects. Grants, loans and other mechanisms from "the government" to start your business or enhance your business with taxpayer monies. What a fraud. Ron Paul should really go after him on that

[CableNewsJunkie]

How ironic (and hilarious) would it be if Newsmax decided to get a new moderator after this PR catastrophe?

"Sorry Donald, yah fired!"

[LibertyEsq]

something to retweet if you're pissed: https://twitter.com/#!/Tea42012/status/143770405075816449

[BUSHLIED]

The whole thing is about stopping Ron Paul.
Trump has been sent in to do a job on Paul.
There is no other explanation, they are that desperate for RP to lose.
And it failed ... superbly

I can't agree more. But the campaign needs to focus on Newt and Romney and their flaws etc...The fact that Ron's camp has already mocked Trump and called him out about his cancellation in Iowa was the most important. Now let Trump say what he wants, Iowian's appreciate Ron's comments and that is what the campaign is focused on right now...winning IA. What's that saying, thou shall not cast stones in glass houses or something...this will backfire on Trump and Newt

[Carole]

Trump is infuriated. Ron is like a willow tree. Trump can snap at any time and Ron just bends with the winds to remain solidly rooted. The American TV watching public will eat this up. Trump will spend all week on this and his gambit the cabal devised to attempt to pull down our guy, but they still do not realize they are in the spotlight of a divine comedy and like Wile E. Coyote every acme gambit and contraption they devise will backfire on them leaving them a soot covered cartoon.

Rev9

And all the while, the media that loves to ignore Dr. Paul continues to invoke the name of "he who shall not be mentioned". Great free publicity provided by "the Donald" and the MSM. You have to love it. :D

[unknown]

The more I think about this the better it gets.

Ron Paul has played the vacuous media game against itself. He has leveraged Trump's celebrity status to get to a much wider audience. He's blown a piece of fluff into his face, and when he opens it up, inside he finds this little message which says Time to shut up.

It is getting RP media attention.

Trump of-course is playing into the media mantras "unelectable" "not serious" etc.

Maybe RP should take this opportunity to make more statements, promote the platform.

[Carole]

Trump is their tool. I bet, once Ron is the nominee, the media will pump Trump as "the independent who could actually win". CBS, NBC, ABC, Fox, Rush, Beck, Levin, Savage, NewsMax, Yahoo,. All of them. Once he enters, he takes a chunk of Ron's base and it will be extremely tough.

That's just some negative thinking leaking out though. Don't be surprised if it happens.

It absolutely will happen.

[ctiger2]

Trump is just pissed because without Paul the ratings will be 90% less. Hardly anyone will bother watching it. Ron Paul is the most popular candidate and Ron Paul's endorsement is easily the most valuable. Everything about Ron Paul is #1.

[CaptainAmerica]

Ron Paul is a smart man,Trump can't hold a candle. Trump is nothing but an opportunist,con artist,thief.

[J-Reg]

Trump seems to be a publicity hound just going after ratings and trying to seem relevant. He has money so he thinks he is a King. He's not. Ron was wise to deny Trump. He is above that. He is running to really change things, not to put on a puppet show.

[Carole]

Plus i have seen a few play the president so they obviously know what to ask .

Is that anything like the commercial in which Alec Baldwin starts fooling with the airplane cockpit gadgetry and then tells the airplane pilot that it is okay because he once played a pilot in a movie? :D

[WD-NY]

Newsmax had an article today about how top producers were lined up to produce this Trump debate; more or less saying that experts are running it..pretty obvious attempt at making Ron's decision foolish.

"top producers" does not equal "top journalists"

Imagine being a journalist/reporter who takes their work/job seriously and is appalled by all of the non-journalist 'celebrities' getting paid millions to suck up all of the oxygen/attention while making a mockery of the profession... even the most liberal among them are cheering Paul on for defending their interests and re-affirming the importance of having a serious and professional press.

I think this move impressed a lot of them...now, will they begin pushing Paul as much as their editors make them push other 'establishment' candidates? Probably not, but I do think it will cause a noticeable shift in the tone of the articles they are allowed to publish.

[Darthbrooklyn]

Breaking: Ron Paul turns down debate moderated by Kim Kardashian and Snookie

[Carole]

Perhaps Dr. Paul should invite Jon Huntsman to a special room next door and have a philosophical discussion for an audience while the Trump debate is going on. :)

[limequat]

Perhaps Dr. Paul should invite Jon Huntsman to a special room next door and have a philosophical discussion for an audience while the Trump debate is going on. :)

Brilliant! Except do it in NH and send an invite to Romney.

[Krugerrand]

Brilliant! Except do it in NH and send an invite to Romney.

Trump's debate would be the equivalent of the little-kids table at Thanksgiving.

[Revolution9]

Ron Paul is a smart man,Trump can't hold a candle. Trump is nothing but an opportunist,con artist,thief.

I got a half hour briefing of that thievery and how and why he pulls off the bankruptcies from a competing billionaire today. I made a thread about it. This needs to become common parle. You cannot buy property from Trump.. Only shares..then he bankrupts, sells the property to a shell and washes, rinses and repeats. That is how he made his billions, bankruptcy fraud.

Rev9

[Luieburger]

So are we banning the Trump debate all together? I think we should. Don't give it any hits, any searches, or anything. I'll be enjoying post-christmas vacation with my fiancé. No time for Donnald Trump.