Iranians are just like us

[qwerty]

Once again Ron Paul hits the nail on the head. According to the Monitor, Paul said Iran is a lot less dangerous than when the Soviets had 30,000 nuclear weapons on Cuba. We worked through diplomacy then, and we're not even close to that (danger) now, he said.

"This whole idea is war propaganda, and I do my best to talk people out of these things," he said.

In the mid-1970s, while training for submarine duty, I met Ali, an Iranian sailor. He was training for diesel submarines in the Iranian navy. Back then we sold our old diesel subs to the shah. He taught me you do not enter a man's home when the man is not home and his wife is. He taught me the words to Pink Floyd songs as he had just learned English and could understand every word. Ali made twice our pay. He had signed up for 20 years.

He hung around with American sailors. He was just like us. I respected him. One day Ali stopped coming around. I went to the Iranian barracks. They told me Ali was sent home to Iran because he hung around us too much.

I always wondered what happened to him. We should not bomb Iran. We might hit him or his family. Don't you get it? Iranians are just like us.


http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/295738/iranians-are-just-like-us?CSAuthResp=1322812106%3A4eos8gageq8mbpqvpruukim 9p3%3ACSUserId|CSGroupId%3Aapproved%3AFC064EDA054B 189E1D119F18E27FF213&CSUserId=94&CSGroupId=1

[PreDeadMan]

huh? you mean they are human beings like us? COME ON YOU CAN'T BE RIGHT THEY ARE TERYISTS!!!

[oyarde]

Yes , they are human beings , but , no , they are not like me . The judiciary there executes people for drugs. I consider that barbaric ...

[Acala]

Yes , they are human beings , but , no , they are not like me . The judiciary there executes people for drugs. I consider that barbaric ...

We just lock you in a cage for most of your life where your only human contact is being gang raped. I am so proud we have risen above barbarity. Nuke 'em!!!

[dannno]

Yes , they are human beings , but , no , they are not like me . The judiciary there executes people for drugs. I consider that barbaric ...

Meh, a lot of people in our government would LOVE to execute people for drugs..

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?332987-Newt-Drug-Test-Everybody!

They are the ones running things here, too... we just have a little bit more restraint in our laws and traditions, but that is partly because we have not had to go through any radical political shifts in a short period of time, and last time we did we created the Constitution.

I don't think their "barbaric" laws have anything to do with them inherently/genetically or otherwise.

My boss is from Iran and I think she is more 'American' than most of the braindead zombies in our country.. and her father still lives there. I really think Ron Paul hit the nail on the head, once again.

[oyarde]

We just lock you in a cage for most of your life where your only human contact is being gang raped. I am so proud we have risen above barbarity. Nuke 'em!!! I suppose it could be worse , in Saudi Arabia you could get executed for sorcery .

[icon124]

wait what they arent aliens that want to destroy the earth?

where did I go wrong...forget it BOMBS AWAY LIKE USUAL.

sarcasm

[oyarde]

We just lock you in a cage for most of your life where your only human contact is being gang raped. I am so proud we have risen above barbarity. Nuke 'em!!! That is barbaric as well ....

[oyarde]

I am off to work , hopefully I can conjure up a bit of sorcery when I get there ...

[oyarde]

Between 1978 & 1998 . over 200 people of the Baha'i religion were executed in Iran & Egypt for the religion. In Persia , the cemetaries have been destroyed , persecution of these peaceful ( though , maybe a bit socialist ) religious sect was stepped up in Iran once Ahmadiniejad was elected . Those most recently rounded up in Iran were given twenty year prison sentences . The Command Headquarters of the Armed Forces of Iran keeping tabs on them now for the President . In Egypt , it was illegal from 1960 -2009 and they were unable to get any id or leave the country. What kind of asshole bulldozes a cemetery ? I happen to know , and , I stand by my statement , they are not like me ...

[oyarde]

Meh, a lot of people in our government would LOVE to execute people for drugs..

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?332987-Newt-Drug-Test-Everybody!

They are the ones running things here, too... we just have a little bit more restraint in our laws and traditions, but that is partly because we have not had to go through any radical political shifts in a short period of time, and last time we did we created the Constitution.

I don't think their "barbaric" laws have anything to do with them inherently/genetically or otherwise.

My boss is from Iran and I think she is more 'American' than most of the braindead zombies in our country.. and her father still lives there. I really think Ron Paul hit the nail on the head, once again. I agree it has nothing to do with genetics , just beliefs , some people are more accepting of terrible acts than others ...

[Aden]

Much of Iran is so backwards that many people are probably unaware of who their own president is. Even if they do, they have no idea about the nuclear standoff and all this political nonsense. There are probably millions of people who just work day to day, hoping to get food on the table. I bet they never even think about the U.S. or the Great White Satan. However, if we invade, then I guarantee you that millions of people who used to be apathetic will now hate our freaking guts.

[oyarde]

Much of Iran is so backwards that many people are probably unaware of who their own president is. Even if they do, they have no idea about the nuclear standoff and all this political nonsense. There are probably millions of people who just work day to day, hoping to get food on the table. I bet they never even think about the U.S. or the Great White Satan. However, if we invade, then I guarantee you that millions of people who used to be apathetic will now hate our freaking guts. Well , some of them have figured it out , in a Country of 74 million , five million have left , thats probably enough evidence right there for any doubters.

[oyarde]

Much of Iran is so backwards that many people are probably unaware of who their own president is. Even if they do, they have no idea about the nuclear standoff and all this political nonsense. There are probably millions of people who just work day to day, hoping to get food on the table. I bet they never even think about the U.S. or the Great White Satan. However, if we invade, then I guarantee you that millions of people who used to be apathetic will now hate our freaking guts. Probably , over twenty percent have no job to go to , then if you figure out a way to make some money , the govt there can seize it .

[Aden]

Type in "Iranian village" or "Iran village" into Google Images. Most of these people are so isolated that they probably can't even locate the U.S. on a map, let alone follow the politics of a nuclear standoff.

[oyarde]

Try googling " Bahaa'i cemetery in Yazd , Iran " , somewhere , there should be a nice photo of one of the cemeteries that was bulldozed. You probably cannot find any lists though of the homes they ransack , the propert they seize and demolish . Mahmoud may claim to believe in God , but he is confused .

[heavenlyboy34]

Humans aren't brown! Bomb them! ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDkhzHQO7jY (skooch to 2:45)

[european]

Much of Iran is so backwards that many people are probably unaware of who their own president is. Even if they do, they have no idea about the nuclear standoff and all this political nonsense. There are probably millions of people who just work day to day, hoping to get food on the table. I bet they never even think about the U.S. or the Great White Satan. However, if we invade, then I guarantee you that millions of people who used to be apathetic will now hate our freaking guts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQkkAkNwIDw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzeICx3BMag&feature=related



Type in "Iranian village" or "Iran village" into Google Images. Most of these people are so isolated that they probably can't even locate the U.S. on a map, let alone follow the politics of a nuclear standoff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rEPWpv5m9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTG4toZtg4c&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esbS_vT25GU&feature=fvwrel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u3PteRPLys

[A Son of Liberty]

Between 1978 & 1998 . over 200 people of the Baha'i religion were executed in Iran & Egypt for the religion. In Persia , the cemetaries have been destroyed , persecution of these peaceful ( though , maybe a bit socialist ) religious sect was stepped up in Iran once Ahmadiniejad was elected . Those most recently rounded up in Iran were given twenty year prison sentences . The Command Headquarters of the Armed Forces of Iran keeping tabs on them now for the President . In Egypt , it was illegal from 1960 -2009 and they were unable to get any id or leave the country. What kind of asshole bulldozes a cemetery ? I happen to know , and , I stand by my statement , they are not like me ...

You're making the mistake of conflating their government with the people.

[robert9712000]

You're making the mistake of conflating their government with the people.

I agree .Its like when Bob scheifer tried to make it appear that Ron was saying you and i are responsible for the 9/11 attacks,well no .The policies are government has in place encouraged them to happen.J

ust like the majority of Iranians arent consumed with a vengeful hatred towards Israel and the US.There just like you and me in that they dont care about what other countries do ,they just want to be left alone and enjoy there lives with there friends and families.The ones in power that make the rules are the monsters,just like here.

[A Son of Liberty]

I agree .Its like when Bob scheifer tried to make it appear that Ron was saying you and i are responsible for the 9/11 attacks,well no .The policies are government has in place encouraged them to happen.J

ust like the majority of Iranians arent consumed with a vengeful hatred towards Israel and the US.There just like you and me in that they dont care about what other countries do ,they just want to be left alone and enjoy there lives with there friends and families.

You mean they don't all sit around day-and-night dreaming of ways to kill, and to end Western Civilization?

You're not watching enough Beck, apparently. ;)


The ones in power that make the rules are the monsters,just like here.

:thumbs:

I hate that *I* am lumped in with the terrorists in DC by folks around the world... I'm sure not going to make that mistake myself.

+rep to you!

[WilliamC]

It's only the amoral psychopath elites who tend to gravitate towards positions of power in all countries who are different from 'normal' people who just want to be left alone to concentrate on their families, jobs, and personal interests.

[oyarde]

It's only the amoral psychopath elites who tend to gravitate towards positions of power in all countries who are different from 'normal' people who just want to be left alone to concentrate on their families, jobs, and personal interests. Looks that way .

[oyarde]

You're making the mistake of conflating their government with the people. Maybe , and I try to take that into consideration . I do however , notice that the people accept these acts with little to say , which leads me to think , if THEY were the govt , things may remain the same ...

[PastaRocket848]

oh no no no. iranian citizens are just like american citizens, and want all of the same things. sure, some of them have a deep-seeded hatred for american foreign policy. wouldn't you if your kid needed medicine and american sanctions kept him from getting it? there is no doubt that their hatred of our POLICY is justified. we've been the aggressor in the region for decades.

you cannot, however, say "i disagree with their leadership and how they handle their own domestic issues, so each and every iranian citizen is 'not like me'". no. their government is not like you. if someone from europe were to suggest the same about us, they'd call you a warmonger. of course you are not, your government is.

no need to paint with such a wide brush.

[oyarde]

oh no no no. iranian citizens are just like american citizens, and want all of the same things. sure, some of them have a deep-seeded hatred for american foreign policy. wouldn't you if your kid needed medicine and american sanctions kept him from getting it? there is no doubt that their hatred of our POLICY is justified. we've been the aggressor in the region for decades.

you cannot, however, say "i disagree with their leadership and how they handle their own domestic issues, so each and every iranian citizen is 'not like me'". no. their government is not like you. if someone from europe were to suggest the same about us, they'd call you a warmonger. of course you are not, your government is.

no need to paint with such a wide brush. I agree my govt are war mongers . I highly doubt , however , that where I live , any govt agency could bulldoze a cemetery of a peaceful religion and that would be tolerated by other citizens of any religion....

[Acala]

Try googling " Bahaa'i cemetery in Yazd , Iran " , somewhere , there should be a nice photo of one of the cemeteries that was bulldozed. You probably cannot find any lists though of the homes they ransack , the propert they seize and demolish . Mahmoud may claim to believe in God , but he is confused .

Thank God we live in a land where the government never ransacks peaceful people's homes, confiscates their property, or destroys it or, for that matter, kills them simply because they don't submit with sufficient alacrity. /bitter sarcasm off

[Acala]

Maybe , and I try to take that into consideration . I do however , notice that the people accept these acts with little to say , which leads me to think , if THEY were the govt , things may remain the same ...

When was the last time you stood in between DEA and someone's home? I guess that means you SUPPORT their tactics?

[Johnny Appleseed]

More chance of getting killed by someone down the block than by someone halfway around the world...

Iranians know how to "house party" ...public life is so restrictive they balance it out by letting loose at home I think.

We should as a goodwill mission in the name of the Good Dr have an open forum with some average Joe Iranians.

The pursuit of liberty is a human endeavor not just an American one...

[PastaRocket848]

I agree my govt are war mongers . I highly doubt , however , that where I live , any govt agency could bulldoze a cemetery of a peaceful religion and that would be tolerated by other citizens of any religion....

you have more faith than you should... remember the trail of tears? japanese internment camps? hiroshima? don't give them too much credit.

[Pericles]

It's only the amoral psychopath elites who tend to gravitate towards positions of power in all countries who are different from 'normal' people who just want to be left alone to concentrate on their families, jobs, and personal interests.

Yep - just like us.

[Philhelm]

I was under the impression that Asians didn't have souls. /s

[Savoyard]

I was under the impression that Asians didn't have souls. /s
Actual genetics show that Iranians are actually much closer to Europeans, then say Arabs or Asians.

[seapilot]

Yes , they are human beings , but , no , they are not like me . The judiciary there executes people for drugs. I consider that barbaric ...

More like Newt Gingrich eh>?

[oyarde]

The Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Iran , states in Article Two that , Leadership shall continue the revolution of Islam , whatever that means , Article Two goes on to say that oppression in any form is not acceptable . Article Three states that , Governance will end all forms of undesirable discrimination. I guess that means , desirable discrimination is ok to pursue ? I have no idea , moving on , The Islamic Scholars of Iran say they are not Communists .Chapter 4 , Articles 44 states that " all large scale and mother industries , foreign trade , major minerals , banking , insurance , power generation , dams , and large scale irrigation networks , radio and telivision , post , telegraph and telephone services , aviation , shipping , roads , railroads and the like" are entirely owned by the government.

[oyarde]

I figure " and the like " means whatever they wish it to be ...

[oyarde]

I imagine , it is possible to the devout Twelvers , that " continuing the revolution " means a worldwide caliphate where many more will be treated as the Baha'i . Anyway , I had no intention of disturbing or offending anyone , I made no statement other than , they are not the same as I .

[IBleedNavyAndOrange]

I figure " and the like " means whatever they wish it to be ...

And what about "general welfare" and "interstate commerce?"


I agree my govt are war mongers . I highly doubt , however , that where I live , any govt agency could bulldoze a cemetery of a peaceful religion and that would be tolerated by other citizens of any religion....

http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/October-2009/OHare-Expansion-Stalled-by-St-Johannes-Cemetery/

Google cemetary vandalism

[dannno]

I imagine , it is possible to the devout Twelvers , that " continuing the revolution " means a worldwide caliphate where many more will be treated as the Baha'i . Anyway , I had no intention of disturbing or offending anyone , I made no statement other than , they are not the same as I .

Actually a lot of Iranians, especially those in more urban settings really like American culture. They don't like our foreign policy.

Again like another poster said, I don't see you standing in the way of the DEA raiding sick people's homes for their medicine. I don't see you in the way of our military and sanctions killing millions of innocent people.

They are not different than us, period. I know this because I've known people personally from Iran. You can't blame the sadistic policies of government on the individual citizens no matter how sadistic they seem. Our government has done FAR worse than Iran.

[libertyjam]

I agree with the Op sentiments, I would just like to know where this figure of 30,000 nuclear weapons on Cuba came from? I seriously doubt Dr.P would be that far off, so is this a direct quote and where can I find it?

[Fredom101]

http://www.concordmonitor.com/article/295738/iranians-are-just-like-us?CSAuthResp=1322812106%3A4eos8gageq8mbpqvpruukim 9p3%3ACSUserId|CSGroupId%3Aapproved%3AFC064EDA054B 189E1D119F18E27FF213&CSUserId=94&CSGroupId=1
Awesome. There's also a good Rick Steves video where he tours Iran. He asks nearly everyone he comes across what they think of Americans. 100% of them said they LOVE Americans. A few said they just don't agree with the US government and it's a separate thing.

The media tries so hard to force collectivism and patriotism down our throats, but even with all their efforts, much/most of the world can see right through it and aren't buying into this kind of propaganda. :)