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Zatch
11-30-2011, 05:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXn_gO62uD4

Has this been posted yet?

eduardo89
11-30-2011, 05:13 PM
Can someone summarize this for me. I have no Internet at home and I've gone over my 3G limit (on my apprently unlimited plan) so I can't watch.

Zatch
11-30-2011, 05:17 PM
Can someone summarize this for me. I have no Internet at home and I've gone over my 3G limit (on my apprently unlimited plan) so I can't watch.

From his facebook:


There is a lot of confusion surrounding my vote on the Udall Amendment. I voted against this amendment to the NDAA because it did not change current policy that allows indefinite detention of American citizens. I am a proud cosponsor of Amendment #1126 to the NDAA which prohibits the indefinite detention of American citizens.


Nov 30 2011

Lee Supports Detainee Protections for American Citizens
WASHINGTON – Today, Senator Mike Lee announced his support for legislation that would prevent any American citizen from being held indefinitely by the military without trial. The provision is an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, which is currently being considered by the U.S. Senate.

“Congress should make absolutely clear that the U.S. government does not have authority to detain an American citizen indefinitely without trial and proper constitutional process,” said Senator Lee, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. “This amendment ensures the proper balance between individual liberty and national security, and maintains that we are both a free and a secure nation.”

Amendment #1126 to the NDAA states: “The authority described in this section for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain a person does not include the authority to detain a citizen of the United States without trial until the end of hostilities.”

Senator Lee strongly disapproves of any policy that would allow for the indefinite detention of American citizens. Congress expects to vote on the amendment this week as a part of the NDAA package.

trey4sports
11-30-2011, 05:19 PM
Gooooooood!

I was afraid Lee had moved to the dark side.

pcosmar
11-30-2011, 05:23 PM
I can't find the Text of either,, only vague descriptions.

And it doesn't sound like this has any better chance.

Has there been a vote yet?

bluesc
11-30-2011, 05:30 PM
This is good. What about voting against ending the Iraq war?

pcosmar
11-30-2011, 05:32 PM
This is good. What about voting against ending the Iraq war?

They voted against that yesterday.

libertyjam
11-30-2011, 05:33 PM
I can't find the Text of either,, only vague descriptions.

And it doesn't sound like this has any better chance.

Has there been a vote yet?


Just looked on thomas.gov, there is no record of a vote yet, and quite a few amendments that are still under consideration, this being one of them.

bluesc
11-30-2011, 05:33 PM
They voted against that yesterday.

I know. I meant WHY did he.

GeorgiaAvenger
11-30-2011, 05:40 PM
I know. I meant WHY did he.Check his facebook

bluesc
11-30-2011, 05:42 PM
Check his facebook

There's nothing on his facebook about his vote against ending the Iraq War.

HOLLYWOOD
11-30-2011, 05:44 PM
Here's Mike Lee's Press Statement on his Senatorial Website

http://lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=953f3f14-aec6-42fe-8f62-ab5bcf39d16b

Press Release
Nov 30 2011

Lee Supports Detainee Protections for American Citizens (http://lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=953f3f14-aec6-42fe-8f62-ab5bcf39d16b)

WASHINGTON – Today, Senator Mike Lee announced his support for legislation that would prevent any American citizen from being held indefinitely by the military without trial. The provision is an amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act, which is currently being considered by the U.S. Senate.
“Congress should make absolutely clear that the U.S. government does not have authority to detain an American citizen indefinitely without trial and proper constitutional process,” said Senator Lee, a member of the Senate Judiciary Committee. “This amendment ensures the proper balance between individual liberty and national security, and maintains that we are both a free and a secure nation.”

Amendment #1126 to the NDAA states: “The authority described in this section for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain a person does not include the authority to detain a citizen of the United States without trial until the end of hostilities.”
Senator Lee strongly disapproves of any policy that would allow for the indefinite detention of American citizens. Congress expects to vote on the amendment this week as a part of the NDAA package.


Permalink: http://lee.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2011/11/lee-supports-detainee-protections-for-american-citizens

GeorgiaAvenger
11-30-2011, 05:44 PM
There's nothing on his facebook about his vote against ending the Iraq War.
Whoops, though you were talking about indefinate detention
Sorry

pcosmar
11-30-2011, 05:51 PM
Here's Mike Lee's Press Statement on his Senatorial Website



Yup,, Saw that.
tells me exactly jack shit.

AuH20
11-30-2011, 06:36 PM
I like this dude.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMM1VAl1nbQ&feature=youtu.be

SchleckBros
11-30-2011, 09:57 PM
Thanks for sharing.

RileyE104
12-01-2011, 02:03 AM
So was the Judge wrong by saying Mike Lee supported this crap or what?? I left a comment criticizing Mr. Lee on his Facebook after I heard that and then unliked his page.

Brett85
12-01-2011, 08:32 AM
So was the Judge wrong by saying Mike Lee supported this crap or what?? I left a comment criticizing Mr. Lee on his Facebook after I heard that and then unliked his page.

The Judge was right that Mike Lee voted against the Udall amendment. He just didn't know why.

pcosmar
12-01-2011, 08:48 AM
The Judge was right that Mike Lee voted against the Udall amendment. He just didn't know why.

Has anyone got the text of the 2 amendments to compare?
I have not seen a text of either,,only vague descriptions, but both claim to protect US citizens.

libertygrl
12-01-2011, 11:26 AM
If I may ad another explanation coming from Sen. Mark Rubio's office. This is the response they gave to someone representing the Palm Beach County Tea Party. I got this off of a local Tea Party forum and it appears it was posted to allay the concerns and fears people had. I for one don't buy it. First of all, they blame the ACLU. Rubio's office is making this into a liberal vs. conservative thing. (You know, the liberals are too weak on national security). While I don't agree with everything regarding the ACLU, they still seem to be strong proponents of protecting civil liberties.

What do you guys make of Rubio's explanation?

Read here:

It was great talking with you. Today, the Senator’s office received many emails and phone calls voicing concerns over the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012. There have been many assertions made about these provisions, some of which could not be further from the truth. It just so happens these outlandish accusations are from the ACLU and their allies in Congress.

First off, this bill does not allow the US military to supplant your local police department in carrying out typical law enforcement activities. Section 1031 only affirms the authority that the president currently has to detain certain people pursuant to the current military force authorization; in fact, this bill says that nothing in this section is intended to expand the president’s power. In addition, in reaffirming the president’s authority to detain people, this section specifically limits the people who can be detained under this act to only those people who planned or helped carry out the 9/11 attacks on the United States or people who are a member of or substantially support Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that fighting against the US and its coalition partners. Simply put, you need to be involved with Al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or one of its surrogates and you have to make a deliberate act that directly supports their efforts against us in the war on terror to be detained under this act.

Section 1032 of this bill deals with the requirements that are needed for the U.S. military to hold people in custody. This portion of the act differs from section 1031 in that this section deals with a much more select group of people that must be detained by the U.S. Military. Any person detained under the authority of Section 1032 must be a member or part of Al-Qaeda or an associated force AND they must have participated in the planning or execution of an attack against the US or our coalition partners. In addition, this section of the act has a limiting clause that specifically states that the military detention requirement does not extend to US citizens or lawful permanent residents.

The Senator has proposed 2 Amendments to prevent the President from transferring foreign terrorists to the U.S. to be prosecuted in the federal court system. However, in regard to the idea that this bill allows the U.S. military to supplant our local police departments and detain otherwise law abiding citizens for purchasing gold or guns is unfounded. Those types of measures are not included in this bill; moreover, the Senator would never support them. If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

Second Portion:

Subtitle D--Detainee Matters
SEC. 1031. AFFIRMATION OF AUTHORITY OF THE ARMED FORCES OF THE UNITED STATES TO DETAIN COVERED PERSONS PURSUANT TO THE AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF MILITARY FORCE.
(a) In General- Congress affirms that the authority of the President to use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) includes the authority for the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons (as defined in subsection (b)) pending disposition under the law of war.
(b) Covered Persons- A covered person under this section is any person as follows:
(1) A person who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, or harbored those responsible for those attacks.
(2) A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.
(c) Disposition Under Law of War- The disposition of a person under the law of war as described in subsection (a) may include the following:
(1) Detention under the law of war without trial until the end of the hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(2) Trial under chapter 47A of title 10, United States Code (as amended by the Military Commissions Act of 2009 (title XVIII of Public Law 111-84)).
(3) Transfer for trial by an alternative court or competent tribunal having lawful jurisdiction.
(4) Transfer to the custody or control of the person's country of origin, any other foreign country, or any other foreign entity.
(d) Construction- Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
(e) Requirement for Briefings of Congress- The Secretary of Defense shall regularly brief Congress regarding the application of the authority described in this section, including the organizations, entities, and individuals considered to be `covered persons' for purposes of subsection (b)(2).
SEC. 1032. REQUIREMENT FOR MILITARY CUSTODY.
(a) Custody Pending Disposition Under Law of War-
(1) IN GENERAL- Except as provided in paragraph (4), the Armed Forces of the United States shall hold a person described in paragraph (2) who is captured in the course of hostilities authorized by the Authorization for Use of Military Force (Public Law 107-40) in military custody pending disposition under the law of war.
(2) COVERED PERSONS- The requirement in paragraph (1) shall apply to any person whose detention is authorized under section 1031 who is determined--
(A) to be a member of, or part of, al-Qaeda or an associated force that acts in coordination with or pursuant to the direction of al-Qaeda; and
(B) to have participated in the course of planning or carrying out an attack or attempted attack against the United States or its coalition partners.
(3) DISPOSITION UNDER LAW OF WAR- For purposes of this subsection, the disposition of a person under the law of war has the meaning given in section 1031(c), except that no transfer otherwise described in paragraph (4) of that section shall be made unless consistent with the requirements of section 1033.
(4) WAIVER FOR NATIONAL SECURITY- The Secretary of Defense may, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, waive the requirement of paragraph (1) if the Secretary submits to Congress a certification in writing that such a waiver is in the national security interests of the United States.
(b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
(1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
(2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.
(c) Implementation Procedures-
(1) IN GENERAL- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the President shall issue, and submit to Congress, procedures for implementing this section.
(2) ELEMENTS- The procedures for implementing this section shall include, but not be limited to, procedures as follows:
(A) Procedures designating the persons authorized to make determinations under subsection (a)(2) and the process by which such determinations are to be made.
(B) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not require the interruption of ongoing surveillance or intelligence gathering with regard to persons not already in the custody or control of the United States.
(C) Procedures providing that a determination under subsection (a)(2) is not required to be implemented until after the conclusion of an interrogation session which is ongoing at the time the determination is made and does not require the interruption of any such ongoing session.
(D) Procedures providing that the requirement for military custody under subsection (a)(1) does not apply when intelligence, law enforcement, or other government officials of the United States are granted access to an individual who remains in the custody of a third country.
(E) Procedures providing that a certification of national security interests under subsection (a)(4) may be granted for the purpose of transferring a covered person from a third country if such a transfer is in the interest of the United States and could not otherwise be accomplished.
(d) Effective Date- This section shall take effect on the date that is 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, and shall apply with respect to persons described in subsection (a)(2) who are taken into the custody or brought under the control of the United States on or after that effective date.