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Cowlesy
11-28-2011, 05:45 PM
Yes, yes, I know that race is a social construct and all humans are exactly the same and on Day 1 we are all tabula rasa - 100% shaped by our environment, however political operatives do not operate on those lofty assumptions, and recognize that voters tend to be collectives and vote, collectively. Given that, at the heinousness of the politics of the Left (not that the current GOP is much better), I think it is important to realize that even though we all know the social construct doesn't exist, actual operators are using it for electoral advantage. Be informed, or be ignorant, choice is yours.

For the first time, in 2012, Democratic Operatives are advising to dump white working class voters and instead look to forge a coalition of affluent white suburbanites, and lower class minorities.

Getting a big head of steam and ready to punch out an angry retort to what you are expecting is a Washington Times or WND link? Sorry to slow you down, but these are actual Democrat strategists (as opposed to the imaginations of republican operatives), and it's the New York Times of all places.

The Future Obama Coalition (http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/)


November 27, 2011, 11:34 PM
The Future of the Obama Coalition
By THOMAS B. EDSALL
For decades, Democrats have suffered continuous and increasingly severe losses among white voters. But preparations by Democratic operatives for the 2012 election make it clear for the first time that the party will explicitly abandon the white working class.

All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists — and a second, substantial constituency of lower-income voters who are disproportionately African-American and Hispanic.

It is instructive to trace the evolution of a political strategy based on securing this coalition in the writings and comments, over time, of such Democratic analysts as Stanley Greenberg and Ruy Teixeira. Both men were initially determined to win back the white working-class majority, but both currently advocate a revised Democratic alliance in which whites without college degrees are effectively replaced by well-educated socially liberal whites in alliance with the growing ranks of less affluent minority voters, especially Hispanics.

The 2012 approach treats white voters without college degrees as an unattainable cohort. The Democratic goal with these voters is to keep Republican winning margins to manageable levels, in the 12 to 15 percent range, as opposed to the 30-point margin of 2010 — a level at which even solid wins among minorities and other constituencies are not enough to produce Democratic victories.

“It’s certainly true that if you compare how things were in the early ’90s to the way they are now, there has been a significant shift in the role of the working class. You see it across all advanced industrial countries,” Teixeira, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, said in an interview.

In the United States, Teixeira noted, “the Republican Party has become the party of the white working class,” while in Europe, many working-class voters who had been the core of Social Democratic parties have moved over to far right parties, especially those with anti-immigration platforms.

Teixeira, writing with John Halpin, argues in “The Path to 270: Demographics versus Economics in the 2012 Presidential Election,” that in order to be re-elected, President Obama must keep his losses among white college graduates to the 4-point margin of 2008 (47-51). Why? Otherwise he will not be able to survive a repetition of 2010, when white working-class voters supported Republican House candidates by a record-setting margin of 63-33.

Obama’s alternative path to victory, according to Teixeira and Halpin, would be to keep his losses among all white voters at the same level John Kerry did in 2004, when he lost them by 17 points, 58-41. This would be a step backwards for Obama, who lost among all whites in 2008 by only 12 points (55-43). Obama can afford to drop to Kerry’s white margins because, between 2008 and 2012, the pro-Democratic minority share of the electorate is expected to grow by two percentage points and the white share to decline by the same amount, reflecting the changing composition of the national electorate.

The following passage from “The Path to 270” illustrates the degree to which whites without college degrees are currently cast as irrevocably lost to the Republican Party. “Heading into 2012,” Teixeira and Halpin write, one of the primary strategic questions will be:

Will the president hold sufficient support among communities of color, educated whites, Millennials, single women, and seculars and avoid a catastrophic meltdown among white working-class voters?

For his part, Greenberg, a Democratic pollster and strategist and a key adviser to Bill Clinton’s 1992 campaign, wrote a memorandum earlier this month, together with James Carville, that makes no mention of the white working class. “Seizing the New Progressive Common Ground” describes instead a “new progressive coalition” made up of “young people, Hispanics, unmarried women, and affluent suburbanites.”

In an interview, Greenberg, speaking of white working class voters, said that in the period from the mid-1960s to the early 1990s, “we battled to get them back. They were sizable in number and central to the base of the Democratic Party.” At the time, he added, “we didn’t know that we would never get them back, that they were alienated and dislodged.”

In his work exploring how to build a viable progressive coalition, Greenberg noted, he has become “much more interested in the affluent suburban voters than the former Reagan Democrats.” At the same time, however, he argues that Republican winning margins among white working-class voters are highly volatile and that Democrats have to push hard to minimize losses, which will not be easy. “Right now,” he cautioned, “I don’t see any signs they are moveable.”

Teixeira’s current analysis stands in sharp contrast to an article that he wrote with Joel Rogers, which appeared in the American Prospect in 1995. In “Who Deserted the Democrats in 1994?,” Teixeira and Rogers warned that between 1992 and 1994 support for Democratic House candidates had fallen by 20 points, from 57 to 37 percent among high-school-educated white men; by 15 points among white men with some college; and by 10 points among white women in both categories. A failure to reverse those numbers, Teixeira warned, would “doom Clinton’s re-election bid” in 1996.

Teixeira was by no means alone in his 1995 assessment; he was in agreement with orthodox Democratic thinking of the time. In a 1995 memo to President Clinton, Greenberg wrote that whites without college degrees were “the principal obstacle” to Clinton’s re-election and that they needed to be brought back into the fold.

In practice, or perhaps out of necessity, the Democratic Party in 2006 and 2008 chose the upscale white-downscale minority approach that proved highly successful twice, but failed miserably in 2010, and appears to have a 50-50 chance in 2012.

The outline of this strategy for 2012 was captured by Times reporters Jackie Calmes and Mark Landler a few months ago in an article tellingly titled, “Obama Charts a New Route to Re-election.” Calmes and Landler describe how Obama’s re-election campaign plans to deal with the decline in white working class support in Rust Belt states by concentrating on states with high percentages of college educated voters, including Colorado, Virginia and New Hampshire.

There are plenty of critics of the tactical idea of dispensing with low-income whites, both among elected officials and party strategists. But Cliff Zukin, a professor of political science at Rutgers, puts the situation plainly. “My sense is that if the Democrats stopped fishing there, it is because there are no fish.”

As a practical matter, the Obama campaign and, for the present, the Democratic Party, have laid to rest all consideration of reviving the coalition nurtured and cultivated by Franklin D. Roosevelt. The New Deal Coalition — which included unions, city machines, blue-collar workers, farmers, blacks, people on relief, and generally non-affluent progressive intellectuals — had the advantage of economic coherence. It received support across the board from voters of all races and religions in the bottom half of the income distribution, the very coherence the current Democratic coalition lacks.

A top priority of the less affluent wing of today’s left alliance is the strengthening of the safety net, including health care, food stamps, infant nutrition and unemployment compensation. These voters generally take the brunt of recessions and are most in need of government assistance to survive. According to recent data from the Department of Agriculture, 45.8 million people, nearly 15 percent of the population, depend on the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program to meet their needs for food.

The better-off wing, in contrast, puts at the top of its political agenda a cluster of rights related to self-expression, the environment, demilitarization, and, importantly, freedom from repressive norms — governing both sexual behavior and women’s role in society — that are promoted by the conservative movement.

While demographic trends suggest the continued growth of pro-Democratic constituencies and the continued decline of core Republican voters, particularly married white Christians, there is no guarantee that demography is destiny.

The political repercussions of gathering minority strength remain unknown. Calculations based on exit poll and Census data suggest that the Democratic Party will become “majority minority” shortly after 2020.

One outcome could be a stronger party of the left in national and local elections. An alternate outcome could be exacerbated intra-party conflict between whites, blacks and Hispanics — populations frequently marked by diverging material interests. Black versus brown struggles are already emerging in contests over the distribution of political power, especially during a current redistricting of city council, state legislative and congressional seats in cities like Los Angeles and Chicago.

Republican Party operatives are acutely sensitive to such tensions, hoping for opportunities to fracture the Democratic coalition, virtually assuring that neither party can safely rely on a secure path to victory over time.

You can read the rest at the link here... (http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/11/27/the-future-of-the-obama-coalition/)


At least they basically say that the Democrat Party is the ultimate vehicle for redistribution from one people to another people, and that is growing, while the other party is declining.

Prepare now. It's not going to stop.

specsaregood
11-28-2011, 05:52 PM
Prepare now. It's not going to stop.

oh yes it will, one way or another the party will cease.

Cowlesy
11-28-2011, 05:53 PM
oh yes it will, one way or another the party will cease.

"Prepare now" as in given the trend, the claims on the fruits of your labor are going to grow. "It's not going to stop" as in that aforementioned trend.

DamianTV
11-28-2011, 07:48 PM
Tyranny will always exist. However, the Level of Tyranny that exists is only as much as the People are willing to put up with. And I think most of us have had it up to here with their shit.

Miss Annie
11-28-2011, 08:57 PM
I am not at all surprised! The depths that this administration will sink to amazes me....... but then again it doesn't.

Anti Federalist
11-28-2011, 09:38 PM
If we would embrace the disaffected white working class, and stop insisting that sending them into poverty and on the dole is somehow economically advantageous, we could have these people in our camp overnight.


All pretense of trying to win a majority of the white working class has been effectively jettisoned in favor of cementing a center-left coalition made up, on the one hand, of voters who have gotten ahead on the basis of educational attainment — professors, artists, designers, editors, human resources managers, lawyers, librarians, social workers, teachers and therapists

In other words, people who don't produce anything of their own, except overhead expense.

Aratus
11-28-2011, 11:06 PM
this is the end of the new deal coalition

amy31416
11-28-2011, 11:14 PM
oh yes it will, one way or another the party will cease.

Some day, and that day may come soon, we will not have anything for them to "re-distribute" and that's when things will start collapsing.

Echoes
11-28-2011, 11:15 PM
This is why proggies push open borders, cuz they vote overwhemingly democrat. Republicans want it too for cheap labor. You see, a win win while the global elite laugh all the way to the bank. Literally.

BattleFlag1776
11-28-2011, 11:18 PM
If we would embrace the disaffected white working class, and stop insisting that sending them into poverty and on the dole is somehow economically advantageous, we could have these people in our camp overnight.

As a sometime member of the disaffected white working class, I agree.

flightlesskiwi
11-28-2011, 11:22 PM
backs are being broken.

cindy25
11-28-2011, 11:28 PM
I know you can win a Dem nomination with only blacks and Hispanics, but how can he win a general without whites?

Aratus
11-28-2011, 11:32 PM
^this^ goodQ!

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
11-28-2011, 11:33 PM
I wish I could say that this shocked me but the sad fact is that it does not shock me in the least.

BattleFlag1776
11-28-2011, 11:34 PM
I know you can win a Dem nomination with only blacks and Hispanics, but how can he win a general without whites?

They think they have enough young whites, single white women, affluent whites, etc. to give them the votes needed in order to not have to focus on/maintain the working white vote. At least that's my take on it.

amy31416
11-28-2011, 11:35 PM
I know you can win a Dem nomination with only blacks and Hispanics, but how can he win a general without whites?

I don't think he can, except with the NOBP factor. And that is not a criticism of the NOBP movement, which I'm part of....but that is with the full knowledge that it may bring another 4 years of Obama. If Paul doesn't get the nomination, there is no "lesser of two evils." Romney's advisers are all neocon Bush henchmen. Gingrich is....Gingrich. And those are the only possibilities aside from Paul that I can see taking the nomination.

AuH20
11-28-2011, 11:38 PM
This is why proggies push open borders, cuz they vote overwhemingly democrat. Republicans want it too for cheap labor. You see, a win win while the global elite laugh all the way to the bank. Literally.

True. Demographically the future of this country is dead. Eventually, it's going to a minority majority and if you thought the two party system was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Donkeyland USA is coming!!! Social Justice at every corner. Racial Quotas. Sexual Quotas. New Unpaid Entitlements. Enviro Police. Thankfully many of us will be dead before it really gets bad. Third world hellhole with first world benefits.....................for a little while. :)

AuH20
11-28-2011, 11:49 PM
This early polling is scary. I can only assume Ron's numbers are just as abysmal with the Latinos:

BTW Imagine a sign that said "Whites For Ron Paul." Latinos really are the freaking Borg!!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2011/11/Latinos-For-Obama-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/democrats-consolidating-hispanic-vote-early.php


Obama’s approval ratings among Hispanic voters — and the broader electorate — have been relatively weak at times this year, but as the Republican primary campaign hits the home stretch he’s showing no signs of trouble in matchups with any of his potential opponents. An extensive survey of Latino voters by Univision this week showed Obama racking up similarly high margins against Mitt Romney (67-24), Rick Perry (68-21), and Herman Cain (65-22). The 2-1 ratio is roughly in line with Obama’s margin against John McCain in 2008.

Echoes
11-29-2011, 12:21 AM
True. Demographically the future of this country is dead. Eventually, it's going to a minority majority and if you thought the two party system was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Donkeyland USA is coming!!! Social Justice at every corner. Racial Quotas. Sexual Quotas. New Unpaid Entitlements. Enviro Police. Thankfully many of us will be dead before it really gets bad. Third world hellhole with first world benefits.....................for a little while. :)

You've just described NYC, every city and town across america is heading that way. The politicians are only thinking about ways to speed up the process.

cindy25
11-29-2011, 01:39 AM
I don't think he can, except with the NOBP factor. And that is not a criticism of the NOBP movement, which I'm part of....but that is with the full knowledge that it may bring another 4 years of Obama. If Paul doesn't get the nomination, there is no "lesser of two evils." Romney's advisers are all neocon Bush henchmen. Gingrich is....Gingrich. And those are the only possibilities aside from Paul that I can see taking the nomination.

is Romney really a lesser evil? a Romney who would have a rubber stamp house and probably senate? at least Obama would have an opposition congress.

cindy25
11-29-2011, 01:40 AM
You've just described NYC, every city and town across america is heading that way. The politicians are only thinking about ways to speed up the process.

more so Detroit or maybe Chicago than NYC

NewRightLibertarian
11-29-2011, 01:57 AM
I know you can win a Dem nomination with only blacks and Hispanics, but how can he win a general without whites?

Stuffing the ballot box

Echoes
11-29-2011, 02:34 AM
Stuffing the ballot box

Naw, man. How can you say that ? The Govt is a divine entity and would never commit voter fraud.

KingRobbStark
11-29-2011, 02:39 AM
Stuffing the ballot box

Nah they wouldn't do that now-a-days. They have tampered voting machines now. Get with the times.

DamianTV
11-29-2011, 03:09 AM
Actually, the corruption starts at the Lowest Levels of the Election, not the Highest. When your State Politicians shut down your Conventions in order to prevent a single candidate whose name I need not even bother to mention from getting the necessary delegates he needs to continue on in the Election Process, they are effectively completely shutting down the Democratic side of our Government.

And yes, I am quite aware that the U.S.A. is a Republic. ... and to the Republic for which it stands... We have some Democratic traces in our System of Goverment, but we are NOT a Democracy. Hell, we aren't even a Republic any more, we are a Facist Plutocratic Police State. That by itself should just go to show how much our Government has been Corrupted.

bobbyw24
11-29-2011, 06:19 AM
By any standard, white voters’ rejection of Democrats in November’s elections was daunting and even historic.

Fully 60 percent of whites nationwide backed Republican candidates for the House of Representatives; only 37 percent supported Democrats, according to the National Election Poll exit poll conducted by Edison Research. Not even in Republicans’ 1994 congressional landslide did they win that high a percentage of the white vote.

Moreover, those results may understate the extent of the white flight from the Democratic Party, according to a National Journal analysis of previously unpublished exit-poll data provided by Edison Research.

The new data show that white voters not only strongly preferred Republican House and Senate candidates but also registered deep disappointment with President Obama’s performance, hostility toward the cornerstones of the current Democratic agenda, and widespread skepticism about the expansive role for Washington embedded in the party’s priorities. On each of those questions, minority voters expressed almost exactly the opposite view from whites.

Much can change in two years—as Obama’s own post-2008 odyssey demonstrates. These results, however, could carry profound implications for 2012. They suggest that economic recovery alone may not solve the president’s problems with many of the white voters who stampeded toward the Republican Party last year. “It comes down to that those voters are very skeptical of the expansion of government,” says Colorado Republican Party Chairman Dick Wadhams, a veteran strategist. “The voters who went with Obama in 2008 did not know what they were going to get with that vote. Now that they’ve seen the health care bill, the stimulus bill, the bailout, the cap-and-trade proposal—issue after issue, they don’t like what they see.”

http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/in-2012-obama-may-need-a-new-coalition-20110107

Kylie
11-29-2011, 07:36 AM
Wait. I thought this guy was supposed to be the end all be all of the races? There was not supposed to be any racial tension or division after Obama was elected, remember?


Oh yeah, and he was supposed to be the peaceful President too. He even got a Nobel for it ;)

Cowlesy
11-29-2011, 02:08 PM
Wait. I thought this guy was supposed to be the end all be all of the races? There was not supposed to be any racial tension or division after Obama was elected, remember?


Oh yeah, and he was supposed to be the peaceful President too. He even got a Nobel for it ;)

Heh, good point about the Nobel.


I guess what took me by surprise by the article is that it is the Dems that are blatantly using the R Card to try and gain political advantage. I guess I had naively thought they were against doing so.

specsaregood
12-21-2011, 10:55 PM
bump.....

ca4paul
12-21-2011, 11:26 PM
Their loss is our gain.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2WKYy2IfxmE/TcNp6lm_m8I/AAAAAAAAVtA/fsrjntWbLWE/s1600/miss-ecuador-2011-sin-maquillaje.jpg

Pericles
12-22-2011, 12:09 AM
If we would embrace the disaffected white working class, and stop insisting that sending them into poverty and on the dole is somehow economically advantageous, we could have these people in our camp overnight.



In other words, people who don't produce anything of their own, except overhead expense.


Simple - use the welfare class to keep the socialist tyrants in power, and feed off the productive segment of society. And then snark at any taxpayer that protests, as being an ungrateful, racist bastard. Why not? It has been working for the last 50 years.

osan
12-22-2011, 04:59 PM
It is precisely the persistence of this position and the strategies and tactics that follow from it that very strongly suggest physical warfare will ultimately become the only means by which the parties in question will be able to settle their differences. It is not a terribly confidence inspiring circumstance. "They" are never likely to give up in their possibly well-intended efforts to "free" the rest in the name of some misbegotten ideal of Utopian existence that others perceive as bald-faced slavery. Therefore, the rest will inevitably be faced with a very real and immediate choice to stop the other or capitulate. Stopping them, I fear, will require unequivocal material violence and capitulation will cost the world everything for which life is worth living.

Pericles
12-22-2011, 05:57 PM
It is precisely the persistence of this position and the strategies and tactics that follow from it that very strongly suggest physical warfare will ultimately become the only means by which the parties in question will be able to settle their differences. It is not a terribly confidence inspiring circumstance. "They" are never likely to give up in their possibly well-intended efforts to "free" the rest in the name of some misbegotten ideal of Utopian existence that others perceive as bald-faced slavery. Therefore, the rest will inevitably be faced with a very real and immediate choice to stop the other or capitulate. Stopping them, I fear, will require unequivocal material violence and capitulation will cost the world everything for which life is worth living.

Agreed

papitosabe
12-29-2011, 11:06 AM
True. Demographically the future of this country is dead. Eventually, it's going to a minority majority and if you thought the two party system was bad, you ain't seen nothing yet. Donkeyland USA is coming!!! Social Justice at every corner. Racial Quotas. Sexual Quotas. New Unpaid Entitlements. Enviro Police. Thankfully many of us will be dead before it really gets bad. Third world hellhole with first world benefits.....................for a little while. :)

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