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FrankRep
11-28-2011, 12:17 PM
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The concept of blowback in Ron Paul's foreign policy has been hard to translate to much of the Republican base, but analogies may help.


Blowback: Does Ron Paul Need a Different Explanation of It? (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/9951-blowback-does-ron-paul-need-a-different-explanation-of-it)


Thomas R. Eddlem | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
28 November 2011


Texas Representative Ron Paul's non-interventionist foreign policy has endeared him to many of those who love the advice of America's Founders. His message to "bring the troops home" from not just Iraq and Afghanistan, but also from Korea, Germany, and Japan, echoes George Washington's words in his farewell address where the first President advised (http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/washing.asp), "It is our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world."

But the one part of Ron Paul's foreign policy that has been difficult to translate to much of the Republican base has been the idea of "blowback." Blowback is the concept that when some apparently innocent actions are undertaken by the U.S. government abroad, they produce a violent reaction. Rep. Paul's opponents in the 2008 presidential election used his explanation of blowback to imply that he believed that the United States was responsible for the September 11 attacks, just as his opponents imply today that he's "soft" on Iran because of a lack of willingness to engage in aggressive military attacks against Iran.

Ron Paul's explanation (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/15/us/politics/16repubs-text.html?pagewanted=all) of blowback first attained national attention in a May 15, 2007 presidential debate in South Carolina. Asked by Fox News moderator Wendell Goler why he opposed foreign interventionism, the following exchange between Paul, Goler, and Rudy Giuliani ensued (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD7dnFDdwu0):



Paul: Have you ever read the reasons they attacked us? They attack us because we've been over there; we've been bombing Iraq for 10 years. We've been in the Middle East — I think Reagan was right.

We don't understand the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics. So right now we're building an embassy in Iraq that's bigger than the Vatican. We're building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting. We need to look at what we do from the perspective of what would happen if somebody else did it to us. (Applause.)

Goler: Are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack, sir?

Paul: I'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it, and they are delighted that we're over there because Osama bin Laden has said, "I am glad you're over on our sand because we can target you so much easier." They have already now since that time — (bell rings) — have killed 3,400 of our men, and I don't think it was necessary.

Giuliani: Wendell, may I comment on that? That's really an extraordinary statement. That's an extraordinary statement, as someone who lived through the attack of September 11, that we invited the attack because we were attacking Iraq. I don't think I've heard that before, and I've heard some pretty absurd explanations for September 11th. (Applause, cheers.)

And I would ask the Congressman to withdraw that comment and tell us that he didn't really mean that.


But, of course, Ron Paul did not take it back. He went on to describe the blowback with the example of the CIA's toppling of Iran's elected government in favor of the Shah in 1953. The blowback from that interventionism happened when the Ayatollah Khomeini toppled the Shah and took 52 American hostages in 1979.

It was an eloquent explanation that convinced some — but not enough — voters. Those who claimed Ron Paul was blaming America for September 11 had done enough damage to keep him from the Republican nomination in 2008 (along with Paul repeating his long-standing but then-unbelievable claims (http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul128.html) that a major recession was coming from the housing and financial bubble fostered by the Bush administration).

Today, Ron Paul is still using the same exact argument to convince Republican voters. And while an increasing number of independents (and even Democrats (http://www.facebook.com/bluerepublican?sk=info)) have found this explanation persuasive, a substantial portion of the Republican base remains unconvinced by the same old explanation.

Ron Paul's old explanation involved two separate arguments. First, he used multiple examples — Saudi Arabian bases, Iraqi bombings, and Iranian government toppling. Second, he used the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you'd have them do unto you." The argument is persuasive with people well-informed on history and those who have some understanding of Islamic culture. But those who have (1) little understanding or interest in history and (2) those who are convinced Islam is by its nature an irredeemably aggressive and violent religion largely remain unconvinced.

Most of the Republican base falls into one of these latter two categories, rather than the former two. So Ron Paul and traditionalists interested in a non-interventionist foreign policy need a new argument to reach these people. And there may be no better way to get the uninformed to reconsider than to use an analogy. Here are a few possible explanations:

1. Stroll through a troubled neighborhood analogy

Perhaps the best way to explain blowback is to use the example of a woman strolling alone through Cincinnati's Central Parkway/Liberty Street neighborhood alone at night. This was considered the most dangerous neighborhood in America (http://www.dailyfinance.com/photos/most-dangerous-neighborhoods/3657373/#) by NeighborhoodScout.com (http://www.dailyfinance.com/photos/most-dangerous-neighborhoods/3657373/#). Consider that this woman is attacked and robbed. Was it her fault? Of course not. It was the fault of the thieves who stole her purse, and might do much worse to their next victim. But consider also that she could more easily have taken another route to her home and avoided the neighborhood altogether, but instead decided to take the longer Central Parkway route home. Obviously, her actions have some bearing on her being robbed. She was still not responsible for the robbery, but nevertheless she could have avoided the robbery (blowback) by taking the safer and shorter path home.

2. School yard fight analogy

The typical school yard fight could easily be used to explain the September 11 attacks. One boy (the United States) insults another boy (Saudi Arabia) by placing permanent bases on Islamic holy lands, and the second boy hits the first boy. The second boy is wholly responsible for starting the fight, but the first boy could have (and should have) avoided the fight altogether by not insulting the second boy and upsetting him.

3. Crime scene analogy

The third analogy that could be used to explain why blowback is important is the crime scene analogy. When a crime is committed, police always look for a motive for the culprit. The motive not only helps to prove guilt to the jury in a trial, but knowing the motive also helps police to prevent more crimes. By knowing why and how the culprit committed his crime, police can change patrol patterns to deter more crimes. For example, we might find that some after-hours thieves target jewelry stores that don't put the semi-precious stones in the safe with the diamonds, rubies, and emeralds. The motive is to steal the less valuable gems, because they are easier to fence on the black market. Police can then put out a warning to jewelry stores to put semi-precious stones in the safe to deter the thieves from robbing in the first place.

This is similar to the September 11 attacks. The CIA had warned before September 11 (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1597971596/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=1597971596) that putting U.S. bases in Saudi Arabia might result in attacks against the United States (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0805075593/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399369&creativeASIN=0805075593). And the 9/11 Commission Report (http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Ch2.htm) talked about blowback for that reason as well, specifically quoting the grievances of hard-line Saudi religious fundamentalists who converted Osama bin Laden from a CIA asset in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1245.htm) to a man obsessed with attacking the United States.

It's well known by our intelligence agencies — and common sense — that when the United States bombs another country, the people being bombed (and their friends and relatives) tend to get mad at this country. Blowback is real. And the more Americans who understand it, the safer this country will be. The more the United States limits its bombings to those directly linked to specific attacks against the United States, the fewer Americans will be targeted by terrorists.


SOURCE:
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/foreign-policy/9951-blowback-does-ron-paul-need-a-different-explanation-of-it

CaptUSA
11-28-2011, 12:47 PM
I use the bad neighbor analogy:

If your neighbor kills you because your dog has been digging up his rose bushes and you won't do anything about it, who is responsible for the killing? Your neighbor of course. He deserves all the blame. But if you had examined the reasons why your neighbor was getting all pissed off, you could have stopped it.

kylejack
11-28-2011, 12:52 PM
No, Ron Paul virtually always uses the Mossadegh answer, which is perfect, and indeed the origin of the term blowback.

FrankRep
11-28-2011, 12:57 PM
No, Ron Paul virtually always uses the Mossadegh answer, which is perfect, and indeed the origin of the term blowback.
The Republican base keeps misunderstanding the concept of Blowback. That's the point of the article.

kylejack
11-28-2011, 01:33 PM
The Republican base keeps misunderstanding the concept of Blowback. That's the point of the article.
He's explaining it in the most accurate and easy to understand way. If they're so obstinate that they can't understand, it isn't Paul's fault. It cannot be dumbed down any further without losing meaning.

FrankRep
11-28-2011, 02:58 PM
He's explaining it in the most accurate and easy to understand way. If they're so obstinate that they can't understand, it isn't Paul's fault. It cannot be dumbed down any further without losing meaning.
No one blamed Ron Paul, but Republicans are the prime audience and you must speak to them in a language they can understand.

PreDeadMan
11-28-2011, 05:00 PM
you have to dumb it down like you're talking to a little kid you see johnny when billy(the us federal government) pushes everyone in the classroom around(the people in the middle east) that makes them mad. the kids (middle eastern people)who were pushed around form a group and push billy(usa ) back because he pushed them all. yes johnny this is what is known as blowback. I give ron paul 100 % rights to use this analogy in the debate because the people who he is debating with have the same mind as children.

ghengis86
11-28-2011, 05:16 PM
No one blamed Ron Paul, but Republicans are the prime audience and you must speak to them in a language they can understand.

Plain English is too difficult?

Edit: I know, I know...it is. Nothing against u frank. Just venting

Feeding the Abscess
11-28-2011, 05:51 PM
The troubled neighborhood analogy is laughably ridiculous. Equating the actions of the U.S. to a faultless individual walking home is retarded on its face.

The school yard boy installs a base on Islamic holy land? Dude, seriously, if someone is going to come up with an analogy, at least have it make sense. One boy occupies another boy's driveway basketball court, second boy punches first boy. That took me three seconds to think up.

Bruno
11-28-2011, 05:54 PM
We bomb Pakistani outposts, kill their troops, and they in turn shut down the border cutting our supply lines, and call for Jihad against Americans.

Blowback seen today. Seems pretty simple to me.