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FrankRep
11-28-2011, 11:48 AM
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The ballyhooed Black Friday protest suggested by the leaders at Occupy Wall Street failed, but OWS has succeeded in running up cities budgets and being a haven for crime.


OWS Black Friday Protest Flops; Group Costs Taxpayers At Least $13 Million So Far (http://thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/9945-ows-black-friday-protest-flops-group-costs-taxpayers-at-least-13-million-so-far)


R. Cort Kirkwood | The New American (http://thenewamerican.com/)
28 November 2011


The ballyhooed Black Friday protest (http://occupywallst.org/article/occupyxmas-kicks-buy-nothing-day-nov-2526/) suggested by the leaders at Occupy Wall Street (http://occupywallst.org/) failed, but OWS has succeeded on two counts.

Its members have committed (http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/print/) or been involved in more than 330 crimes and other unsavory incidents, and The Associated Press reported (http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-protests-cost-nations-cities-least-13m-073242555.html) last week, the movement has cost municipalities across the country about $13 million in police overtime and damage to public property.

OWS camps are dangerous places, as repeated reports show. But now we know they are also costly. Occupiers, of course, don’t pay the bill. Taxpayers who work for a living do.

Black Friday Flop

Occupiers staged protests across the country that shoppers largely ignored. Their most successful protest seem to have been the occupation of “tony and touristy” Union Square in San Francisco, as AP called it (http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/11323517.html), a center of leftism.

According to (http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/11323517.html) AP, “protesters demonstrated in the streets near San Francisco's tony and touristy Union Square during the annual Macy's Christmas tree lighting ceremony Friday evening, disrupting traffic but otherwise causing few other problems.”



Lines of police officers in riot gear faced off with dozens of demonstrators who were trying to discourage shoppers from shopping at Macy's and other stores in the popular tourist area.

Some protesters sat down in the middle of intersections backing up traffic and causing massive traffic jams in the area during the evening commute. Commuter bus traffic in the area was also delayed.


Occupiers also used their children to peddle their anti-shopping message, AP reported (http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/11323517.html). A nine-year-old boy held a sign that read as follows: “What is in your bag that’s more important than my education?”

Another protester, AP reported (http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/11323517.html), echoed the boy’s remarks, “I wanted us both to be here for the children." “I see how the education deficit directly affects the schools; how the teachers struggle with so many kids in the classrooms and a lack of books. It’s not fair to this generation.”

OWS called (http://occupywallst.org/article/occupyxmas-kicks-buy-nothing-day-nov-2526/) its stunt “Buy Nothing Day,” but some shoppers didn’t want to to hear it, AP reported (http://www.thestreet.com/print/story/11323517.html). A shopper in Union Square who paid off her student loans and actually works for a living called the group “a bunch of … crybabies.” An OWS demand (http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/11/21/occupy-movement-proposes-refusing-pay-back-loans) is “forgiveness” of student loans, which means the young occupiers don’t want to repay.

At Green Hills Mall in Nashville, Tennessee, security officers kicked OWS protesters (http://www.tennessean.com/article/20111125/NEWS01/311250096/Occupy-protesters-tossed-from-Green-Hills-Mall) out of the mall, and at Smith Haven Mall in Lake Grove on Long Island, New York, 100 protestors gathered to protest Christmas shopping. “Show me what democracy looks like!” supporters shouted, the Long Island Press reported (http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/11/25/long-island-occupy-black-friday-protests-at-smith-haven-mall/). “This is what democracy looks like!” they yelled, along with, “We are the ninety-nine percent!”

An occupier told (http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/11/25/long-island-occupy-black-friday-protests-at-smith-haven-mall/) the paper that “part of the Occupy message is to stop feeding the corporate beast. People come and spend all their money and ring up their credit cards, and then afterwards they’re suffering, because they can’t pay the bills. And they’re trying to decide whether they pay their rent or their health insurance.”

The woman told (http://www.longislandpress.com/2011/11/25/long-island-occupy-black-friday-protests-at-smith-haven-mall/) the paper, “This is a good time for us to be talking about it. [As] they’re beginning the holiday push.”

Shoppers, it seems didn’t much care, and indeed were fighting each other, in one case with pepper spray, to get Black Friday sales.

More Crimes

Two days before the Black Friday plan fizzled, Big Journalism’s John Nolte reported (http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/print/) that OWS crimes and shenangians had reached 333, with eight of the leftists arrested in Toronto, Canada.

In Fort Meyers, Florida, cops collared (http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-11-20/Occupy-protester-arrested-on-bomb-threat-charges) an occupier because he threatened to bomb the city police department. Reported WINK News (http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-11-20/Occupy-protester-arrested-on-bomb-threat-charges), “Ryan Komosinski, 22, of Cape Coral, is the second local Occupy protester to be arrested in a week.”



According to Fort Myers Police, an anonymous tipster told them Komosinski had posted on Facebook “I’m bombing FMPD, [Expletive] them.”


Occupiers there issued the ritual denunciation (http://www.winknews.com/Local-Florida/2011-11-20/Occupy-protester-arrested-on-bomb-threat-charges) of the would-be bomber.

In Pensacola, occupiers vandalized (http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011111121021) City Hall because the city cleaned up the occupy encampment.

According to (http://www.pnj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2011111121021) the Pensacola News Journal, “City employees arriving at work Monday founds chains and padlocks put on City Hall’s front doors, air conditioning power boxes turned off on the outside of the building, and the north lawn ‘littered’ with plastic sheeting, said City Administrator Bill Reynolds.”

Unhappily, surveillance cameras at the building did not clearly identify the occupiers committing the vandalism.

The Cost

While occupiers continued their crime, the Associated Press surveyed (http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-protests-cost-nations-cities-least-13m-073242555.html) government agencies in 18 cities to find out what the cost of the occupy movement has been. Reported AP, “During the first two months of the nationwide Occupy protests, the movement that is demanding more out of the wealthiest Americans cost local taxpayers at least $13 million in police overtime and other municipal services.”



The heaviest financial burden has fallen upon law enforcement agencies tasked with monitoring marches and evicting protesters from outdoor camps. And the steepest costs by far piled up in New York City and Oakland, Calif., where police clashed with protesters on several occasions.


The persistence of occupiers in erecting encampments, which often become dangerous centers of drug-dealing and rape, is stretching police overtime budgets beyond the breaking point.

“The Occupy movement has intentionally never clarified its policy objectives,” AP reported (http://news.yahoo.com/occupy-protests-cost-nations-cities-least-13m-073242555.html), “relying instead on a broad message opposing corporate excess and income inequality."



Aside from policing, cleaning and repairing property at dozens of 24-hour encampments, cities have had to monitor frequent rallies and protests....

City officials say they have no choice but to bring in extra officers or hold officers past their shifts to handle gatherings and marches in a way that protects free speech rights and public safety. In some cities, officials say the spending is eating into their overtime budgets and leaving less money for other public services.


Occupiers in the United States are hardly unique, however. Occupiers in London have trashed (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9895-poll-31-percent-of-occupiers-support-violence) one of the most important sites in London, the venerable St. Paul’s Cathedral (http://www.stpauls.co.uk/), the Daily Mail reported (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064174/Occupy-London-Children-living-squalor-St-Pauls-protest-camp.html) last week.

A cathedral official told the Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064174/Occupy-London-Children-living-squalor-St-Pauls-protest-camp.html) that occupiers are desecrating the hallowed church (http://www.stpauls.co.uk/Cathedral-History), designed by Sir Christopher Wren (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Wren) and finished in 1710. “Graffiti have been scratched and painted on to the great west doors of the cathedral, the chapter house door and most notably a sacrilegious message painted on the restored pillars of the west portico,” he told (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2064174/Occupy-London-Children-living-squalor-St-Pauls-protest-camp.html) the Mail.



“Human defecation has occurred in the west portico entrance and inside the cathedral on several occasions.”

[The official] also made reference to noisy interruptions during services, foul language directed at staff and the use of alcohol and "other stimulants" that appeared to "fuel the noise levels day and night."


Rape, Death

The most common heinous crime thus far seems to be (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9793-ows-rap-sheet-grows-longer) rape. It has occurred in Philadelphia (http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=news/crime&id=8429956), Cleveland (http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2011/10/18/occupy-cleveland-protester-alleges-she-was-raped/), New York (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/protester_busted_in_tent_grope_QxAzp8mG8pULWA6cPzg nXL), and Baltimore (http://biggovernment.com/publius/2011/10/31/woman-says-she-was-raped-at-occupybaltimore-begs-for-protest-to-be-shut-down/), where occupy authorities (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/9747-ows-rap-sheet-growing-and-growing) discouraged victims from going to police in a communiqué that claimed a “security committee,” led by a figure named “Koala,” would handle the problem.

That, naturally, never happened. As The New American reported (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9895-poll-31-percent-of-occupiers-support-violence) last week, a woman in Baltimore reported that an occupier raped and robbed her and that she was afraid to return home because he had stolen her identification. The woman also said no one in the occupy movement helped her, including apparently, that intrepid gumshoe of Occupy Baltimore, Koala. The rapist seems to have eluded this long arm of occupier law.

At the Occupy camp in Glasgow, Scotland, a woman was gang raped (http://news.stv.tv/scotland/west-central/276301-woman-raped-at-glasgow-george-square-protest-camp/).

At least six people have died (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/9747-ows-rap-sheet-growing-and-growing) in or around OWS camps, including a man shot to death (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/11/shooting-at-occupy-oakland-protesters-harass-block-reporters-from-taking-pictures-video/) in Oakland during a fight over a bag of marijuana.



Related Stories:

Poll: 31 Percent of Occupiers Support Violence (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9895-poll-31-percent-of-occupiers-support-violence)

OWS Rap Sheet Grows Longer (http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/politics/9793-ows-rap-sheet-grows-longer)

OWS Rap Sheet Growing and Growing (http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/9747-ows-rap-sheet-growing-and-growing)


SOURCE:
http://thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary-mainmenu-43/9945-ows-black-friday-protest-flops-group-costs-taxpayers-at-least-13-million-so-far

dannno
11-28-2011, 11:50 AM
What a lame story, I'm glad I'm involved in OWS instead of being caught up in the boring lame neo-Tea Party.

OWS doesn't cost the city ANYTHING. Those costs are related to the destruction of their rights.

It's like saying that the people of Iraq cost US taxpayers trillions of dollars in war costs.

FrankRep
11-28-2011, 11:54 AM
I'm glad I'm involved in OWS instead of being caught up in the boring lame neo-Tea Party.

Have you seen Rand Paul's book?


The Tea Party Goes to Washington (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1455503118/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399373&creativeASIN=1455503118)


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specsaregood
11-28-2011, 12:02 PM
Have you seen Rand Paul's book?


Have you read it?

kylejack
11-28-2011, 12:23 PM
Its members have committed (http://bigjournalism.com/jjmnolte/2011/10/28/occupywallstreet-the-rap-sheet-so-far/print/) or been involved in more than 330 crimes and other unsavory incidents
Some of the arrests cited here are crimes and others are unjust arrests (either someone who wasn't committing a crime, or someone who was committing a crime based on unjust law). It's not 330 crimes.

pcosmar
11-28-2011, 12:31 PM
The Tea Party Goes to Washington


Dan Benishek
http://www.whorunsgov.com/Profiles/Dan_Benishek
http://www.mlive.com/news/bay-city/index.ssf/2010/10/sarah_palin_endorses_dan_benis.html

He is a Big Gov rubber stamp. The Tea Party ignored several better candidates and pushed this guy that showed up out of nowhere with deep pockets backing.
I am damn sure this is not the only case of that. Just one close to home.
Tea party was Co-Opted long ago.
As co-opted as the Adbusters wing of OWS.

FrankRep
11-28-2011, 12:40 PM
Dan BenishekHe is a Big Gov rubber stamp. The Tea Party ignored several better candidates and pushed this guy that showed up out of nowhere with deep pockets backing.
I am damn sure this is not the only case of that. Just one close to home.
Tea party was Co-Opted long ago.
As co-opted as the Adbusters wing of OWS.

The (general) Tea Party at least claims to want less taxes and smaller government, but the actions of endorsed politicians contradict that. The Tea Party is still fertile ground.

Ron Paul-type candidate can actually deliver on the goods they claim to support.

NewRightLibertarian
11-28-2011, 12:44 PM
The tea party at least understands that the Constitution is good and that debt is bad, which gives them a huge intellectual advantage over the OWS crowd. Not to mention that Rand Paul is one of primary leaders of the fuckin' movement.

But some here would rather feel the solidarity that a big mob of fools gives them than promote liberty, sadly.

FrankRep
11-28-2011, 12:49 PM
The tea party at least understands that the Constitution is good and that debt is bad, which gives them a huge intellectual advantage over the OWS crowd. Not to mention that Rand Paul is one of primary leaders of the fuckin' movement.

But some here would rather feel the solidarity that a big mob of fools gives them than promote liberty, sadly.

Someone gets it. Awesome.

I think some people are so hungry for "revolution" that they'll support anything, including a Bolshevik Revolution, if it promised hope and change.

pcosmar
11-28-2011, 12:52 PM
The (general) Tea Party at least claims to want less taxes and smaller government,

So did Reagan. So did Bush.

So did Rick Snyder

Does the phrase "I've heard that before" ring any bells.

There are a couple of Paul inspired folks elected. And too few to have any real impact.

If there were 300 of them we might see some results. If Dr.Paul is allowed to become the nominee we can start to move in the right direction.
That is still a big IF.

NewRightLibertarian
11-28-2011, 12:54 PM
Someone gets it. Awesome.

I think some people are so hungry for "revolution" that they'll support anything, including a Bolshevik Revolution, if it promised hope and change.

I only see two scenarios arising from this OWS mess: 1) Martial law is fully enacted with these people being used as the reason why or 2) The bankers and bureaucrats 'give in' to the mob, making them feel like they've actually accomplished something. They'll throw a little bit more paper toward the peasants while increasing centralized power and stopping all cuts in spending. They'll market it to the dumbasses as environmentalism (we need more regulations and centralized power to heal the weather, as liberals love to tell you) and they'll eat it right up. Jesse Jackson, MoveOn.org, SEIU, Obama and basically the whole Democrat establishment support these fools because they know they can easily use them for yet another power grab.

Philhelm
11-28-2011, 12:59 PM
I only see two scenarios arising from this OWS mess: 1) Martial law is fully enacted with these people being used as the reason why or 2) The bankers and bureaucrats 'give in' to the mob, making them feel like they've actually accomplished something. They'll throw a little bit more paper toward the peasants while increasing centralized power and stopping all cuts in spending. They'll market it to the dumbasses as environmentalism (we need more regulations and centralized power to heal the weather, as liberals love to tell you) and they'll eat it right up. Jesse Jackson, MoveOn.org, SEIU, Obama and basically the whole Democrat establishment support these fools because they know they can easily use them for yet another power grab.

I do not believe that there will be any imposition of martial law. The logistics of it alone would make it ineffective, not to mention that it would completely destroy the illusion of freedom. Also, why have such a great surveillance grid? They'll drag people off in the dark, one by one, rather than have troops outright garrisoning cities.

PaulConventionWV
11-28-2011, 01:26 PM
What a lame story, I'm glad I'm involved in OWS instead of being caught up in the boring lame neo-Tea Party.

OWS doesn't cost the city ANYTHING. Those costs are related to the destruction of their rights.

It's like saying that the people of Iraq cost US taxpayers trillions of dollars in war costs.

It would be true if the Iraqi people were destroying things of ours. How you can defend something like this is beyond me. I've come to expect this sort of denial from you, though.

dannno
11-28-2011, 02:00 PM
It would be true if the Iraqi people were destroying things of ours. How you can defend something like this is beyond me. I've come to expect this sort of denial from you, though.

Destruction of what are you talking about? And when did I agree to pay for these things? And when did I agree how these things would be used and by whom? Do I even have that right to begin with?

PreDeadMan
11-28-2011, 04:48 PM
so a small solution would be to cut down drastically on the amount of cops used at the protests and stuff lol... or am i missing something? or hey why use them at all :)

dannno
11-28-2011, 05:01 PM
so a small solution would be to cut down drastically on the amount of cops used at the protests and stuff lol... or am i missing something? or hey why use them at all :)

A lot of these things are taking place in big cities like NY.. you have to laugh when you see people complaining about a crime or someone defecating or something like that happening in NY.. I mean, I'd bet there would be MORE crimes taking place in these areas if the OWS protests weren't happening at all.