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garrettwombat
11-06-2007, 10:45 PM
i find it strange... but my girlfriend is pretty feminist and you would think she supports hillary but her and her annoying little feminist friends support ron paul.

they are talking about starting a group called "feminists for ron paul"
i dunno how much traction it will get or what there goal is to do.
i over heard them talking about it.

personally i cringe at feminism, when i think about it i dont think of equal rights at all, i think of woman trying to demoralize men. but the true definition is supposed to be equal rights...

egh... but what do you guys think about the idea?

LinearChaos
11-06-2007, 10:46 PM
they should go for it.

MO4RonPaul
11-06-2007, 10:49 PM
The more (votes) the merrier!

nullvalu
11-06-2007, 10:50 PM
*egh* just curious.. how can a self-respecting man date a feminist? that's like a black woman dating a white member of the KKK..

but i say whatever.. go for it.. we have even groups from all walks of life supporting RP

0zzy
11-06-2007, 10:52 PM
I saw a feminist on Tucker yesterday. She would vote for Hilary just because she's a women. She believes in affirmative action in Congress (50% women 50% men). She's...ya

Surprised that your GF likes him though. With his anti-"reproductive rights" and all.

RP4ME
11-06-2007, 10:53 PM
i find it strange... but my girlfriend is pretty feminist and you would think she supports hillary but her and her annoying little feminist friends support ron paul.

they are talking about starting a group called "feminists for ron paul"
i dunno how much traction it will get or what there goal is to do.
i over heard them talking about it.

personally i cringe at feminism, when i think about it i dont think of equal rights at all, i think of woman trying to demoralize men. but the true definition is supposed to be equal rights...

egh... but what do you guys think about the idea?

you sound like my ex - thso eannoying little feminists hahahaha

FrankRep
11-06-2007, 10:53 PM
*egh* just curious.. how can a self-respecting man date a feminist? that's like a black woman dating a white member of the KKK..

but i say whatever.. go for it.. we have even groups from all walks of life supporting RP

Whatever floats your boat, ya know? I have no problem with feminists. Jump on the RP express to liberty!

JosephTheLibertarian
11-06-2007, 10:54 PM
damn feminazis lol

Adamsa
11-06-2007, 10:55 PM
The more groups for Ron Paul the better!

beerista
11-06-2007, 10:59 PM
Ron Paul doesn't believe in categorizing people by gender or any other grouping. Can't get more "equal rights" than that. I would think that sincere feminists would be all for him. By way of ammunition, make sure they watch the videos from today (can't remember which one) where he's asked about changing his strategy to fight Hillary. Very equal.
Tell 'em to bring it on. Can't have enough Ron Paul groups.

Richandler
11-06-2007, 11:03 PM
Feminists want more power than men. They don't want equal power. They may say it but their actions speak far louder than their words.

garrettwombat
11-06-2007, 11:04 PM
*egh* just curious.. how can a self-respecting man date a feminist? that's like a black woman dating a white member of the KKK..

dude i dont know dont make fun. :( its already bad enough.
no but really she isnt like those fascist ones you see all the time, she is really an "equal" type of person.
shes fo real

james1906
11-06-2007, 11:06 PM
She probably prescribes to the philosophy of individual feminism. http://www.ifeminists.net/e107_plugins/enews/enews.php

JosephTheLibertarian
11-06-2007, 11:19 PM
Feminists want more power than men. They don't want equal power. They may say it but their actions speak far louder than their words.

I think there are two kinds

feminists: equality

feminazis: they think that men ruin the world and.... I think many hate men

maybe even a third category... feminism as a philosophy; I don't think it involves gender

angelatc
11-06-2007, 11:33 PM
*egh* just curious.. how can a self-respecting man date a feminist? that's like a black woman dating a white member of the KKK..

but i say whatever.. go for it.. we have even groups from all walks of life supporting RP

Yeah, it's stupid to think that women should earn the same money that men do, and to try to figure out why they don't.

Who would put up with that crap for long?

Bluedevil
11-07-2007, 12:04 AM
"her and her annoying little feminist friends "

loved this quote

runderwo
11-07-2007, 08:22 AM
I think they should start one. The thing is, there are a lot of groups out there that play identity politics and they usually vote Democrat for obvious reasons. This would be a good way to start funneling votes over to our side by pointing out that Dr. Paul advocates that the government favor no one and that everyone has equal rights under the law (NOT Equal or Greater Entitlements).

johngr
11-07-2007, 08:30 AM
Feminists want more power than men. They don't want equal power. They may say it but their actions speak far louder than their words.

In many instances what they seem to want is to end men's traditional advantages and to retain theirs (Child support and custody preferences, for example). They want equal rights but not equal responsibilities.

A Rockefeller population reduction agenda (particularly of Eurogenic peoples) is behind Feminism. It has the added bonus of fleecing the middle class by sucking even women with families into the workplace and then depressing wages such that it takes 2 incomes to raise a family. Gloria Steinem was CIA (look it up).

Nefertiti
11-07-2007, 08:32 AM
*egh* just curious.. how can a self-respecting man date a feminist? that's like a black woman dating a white member of the KKK..



I wonder how any self-respecting person of any gender can date someone who badmouths them publicly in forums like this. I think there would be a lot more single men in these forums if their girlfriends kept track of what they say about them online.

BuddyRey
11-07-2007, 08:47 AM
The unqualified word "feminists" connotes a pretty big tent. Radical feminists definitely wouldn't be too keen on Paul, but there are a surprising number of moderate or conservative feminists like Norah Vincent, Christina Hoff Sommers, and Camille Paglia, who bemoan sexism of various types other than the ridiculously overused and anachronistic theory of the ubiquitous dominance of womankind by "the patriarchy."

Leslie Webb
11-07-2007, 08:49 AM
The repeal of Affirmative Action should be a feminist goal. A woman whobecomes a manager in a company should receive this position because of what she achieved, not because of a quota. Affirmative Action demeans the achievements of women. It is patronizing because it assumes a woman needs government help to become a manager in a company.

Bradley in DC
11-07-2007, 08:51 AM
Liberty brings us together :)

StephenTC
11-07-2007, 08:53 AM
Ok guys. Let's not alienate feminists. There are a lot of women who are part of the 'group' because they feel the invisible wall. There's no denying that there are still social and cultural issues that women deal with in today's society. While this is all part of the way things work (at the moment), you should respect them.

There are some women who take it too far, that become aggressive and hateful, but don't tag those stereotypes to all women.

It's only natural that they support Ron Paul, he doesn't even MENTION gender issues, and when things of the kind are brought up, he brushes them as aside the point. He sees everyone as equal :D!

walt
11-07-2007, 08:58 AM
Ron Paul doesn't believe in categorizing people by gender or any other grouping. Can't get more "equal rights" than that. I would think that sincere feminists would be all for him. By way of ammunition, make sure they watch the videos from today (can't remember which one) where he's asked about changing his strategy to fight Hillary. Very equal.
Tell 'em to bring it on. Can't have enough Ron Paul groups.

Yes. I had a talk about the destructive nature of hiring quotas with Ron at a rally - he hates that stuff - it's not equal rights. It's reverse discrimination.

Jongleur
11-07-2007, 09:05 AM
Feminism as a term for people who want EQUAL treatment is undeniably a GOOD thing. I think that's all most "feminists" want, and by that definition I am a feminist. So are most of you, I would hope.

Just as some angry "weirdos (white supremacists, anarchist gun-nuts) can be found supporting Ron Paul, you can find some man-hating "feminazis" in the big tent of feminism.

But the main point is: The smaller government is, the less its bias can hurt us. If government is mostly old conservative white dudes (and let's face it, it is), then the oppressed would do well to reduce the role those old crusty white guys play in their lives.

Your girlfriend should ABSOLUTELY start a Feminists for Ron Paul group. RP needs female support badly.

We should also be working on Naomi Wolf, who I think can TOTALLY be brought over to our side, and would be a HUGE PR win for us if we achieved it. But Naomi doesn't need to hear from guys like me; she needs to hear from motivated, politically-engaged young feminists who support the Ron Paul cause.

Like your girlfriend.

Hope
11-07-2007, 09:20 AM
Why aren't more women Ron Paul supporters? Gee. I can't figure it out!

I'm really surprised at the ignorance in this thread. There are socialist feminists and there are libertarian feminists. Someone already posted a link to the iFeminists, which I'm guessing no one will bother to read. 'Cause feminists are evil, I tell you. Evil! And dumb. Let's not forget that part.

johngr
11-07-2007, 09:29 AM
Liberty brings us together :)

Why whenever there's a serious discussion of politically correct topics do you spout platitudes?

Corydoras
11-07-2007, 09:43 AM
There are many kinds of feminists. After all, there is a Feminists for Life group that makes arguments against abortion based on classical nineteenth-century feminist principles. So if your friend and her friends have a view of feminism that is pro-Ron Paul, they should go for it!

Natalie
11-07-2007, 10:14 AM
A Rockefeller population reduction agenda (particularly of Eurogenic peoples) is behind Feminism. It has the added bonus of fleecing the middle class by sucking even women with families into the workplace and then depressing wages such that it takes 2 incomes to raise a family. Gloria Steinem was CIA (look it up).

check out savethemales.ca

Hope
11-07-2007, 10:35 AM
Oh yes. If women with families say they want to work, it must be because they have been brainwashed. And equal rights = CIA plot.

http://www.tinfoilhatparty.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

literatim
11-07-2007, 10:49 AM
Oh yes. If women with families say they want to work, it must be because they have been brainwashed. And equal rights = CIA plot.

http://www.tinfoilhatparty.org/images/tinfoil-hat.jpg

No one wants to work. Not even men want to work. So yes, if anyone wants to work, they are brainwashed.

stalcottsmith
11-07-2007, 11:44 AM
Why aren't more women Ron Paul supporters? Gee. I can't figure it out!

I'm really surprised at the ignorance in this thread. There are socialist feminists and there are libertarian feminists. Someone already posted a link to the iFeminists, which I'm guessing no one will bother to read. 'Cause feminists are evil, I tell you. Evil! And dumb. Let's not forget that part.

I fully support iFeminists and I visited that site years ago. Men and the women who love them do have legitimate complaints about agendas advanced under the feminist banner. Sadly, I think the negative comments here result from juvenile misunderstanding.

Liberty brings us together. When we stop thinking like groups with interests set against each other but rather as individuals who seek to pursue our enlightened self-interest (which includes looking after our fellow humans voluntarily) then we will have better relations.

-Steven

hells_unicorn
11-07-2007, 11:53 AM
Philosophically speaking, feminism is diametrically opposed to individuality and liberty, it puts an emphasis upon gender as a means of establishing a person's worth. In truth, feminism is a reactionary off-shoot of a genuine movement that sought the Libertarian ideal of political equality (ergo Women's Suffrage), but now it's morphed into a Statist proxy that frowns upon the Right to Life, the traditional family, and home-schooling.

Your girlfriend is probably a feminist in name only, which many high school to early adult females tend to be unless they either wise up sooner or never figure out the hypocrisy of demanding equality based on a manufactured state of metaphysical weakness.

I'm glad of the support, but the term feminism has little in common with Liberty or with Ron Paul.

JaylieWoW
11-07-2007, 12:31 PM
*egh* just curious.. how can a self-respecting man date a feminist? that's like a black woman dating a white member of the KKK..

but i say whatever.. go for it.. we have even groups from all walks of life supporting RP

There are different brands of feminists. The feminists of the Hillary variety, blind support for someone just because they are female, are referred to as the "nazi-feminists" and some of their most famous modus operandi can be equated in two well known phrases:

"Women need men about as much as fish need bicycles,"

and (famously uttered by Hillary)

"It takes a village to raise a child"

These are your hard core man haters. I should know, prior to getting involved with Ron Paul, I was active with a couple of family rights groups, most notably, KRights (Radio) and DADS of Tennessee. I've written some editorials on the subject and even had one printed (I'll look it up and post it if anyone is interested).

It is these women we have to thank for the current aggressive heavy handed attacks of DHS and other allegedly "human interest" departments within the government (and by far some of the most powerful, yet relatively unknown to most Americans). Draconian child support calculations and VAWA (Violence Against Women Act) are just some of their crowning achievements.

Then you have another side to this man hating drivel. A prominent group calls themselves "iFeminists" and they are wholly against what the "nazi-feminists" have done through the years.

Most other self-styled feminists fall somewhere in between.

Frankly, it was a thought I had early on, before becoming involved with the family rights cause in this country, that I finally found some justification for after reading an article by Ron Paul on "Collectivism".

My first post in the DADs forum stated simply that it seems to me when a group of people who share a common characteristic experiences diminished rights in society they form a cause in order to bring attention to their injustice. What I don't understand is why is it, as in the case of women's sufferage, that their cause does not stop with attaining their goals and rather ends up usurping the same rights they claimed were denied to them? The whole situation reverses itself. So what we end up with is a constant struggle that could easily be rendered unnecessary if we just protected all rights.

I guess you can see why this led me to Ron Paul. We have "collectivism" to blame. The misunderstanding that because you're male or female, a mom or a dad, black or white and Christian or Atheist, you have rights based on those associations rather than you have rights because you ARE.

Pharoah
11-07-2007, 12:55 PM
^^

Excellent post, JaylieWoW.