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Christopher David
11-27-2011, 02:39 PM
With the fluidity of the GOP presidential race, the heavily back-loaded primary calendar, and the rule changes emphasizing proportional allocation of delegates, candidates will be incentivized to stay in the race as long as possible.

If the race extends to June, the California primary could very likely decide the GOP nomination.

Currently California has 172 delegates, one of the few states planning to award delegates by winner-take-all.

If Ron Paul wins first, second or third in every contest until June, then goes on to win California, he will likely have the delegate count to win the GOP nomination.

Do the math:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/27/mitt-romney-2012-gop-primary-calendar_n_1114117.html?
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/wddaa.phtml


There are approximately 2,427 delegates up for grabs in the 2012 Republican primary, but a number of states who broke Republican National Committee rules and moved their primaries forward will likely see their delegate totals halved. So the actual number of total delegates will probably be 2,284, meaning a candidate will have to win 1,143 to clinch the nomination.

Through January and February, according to the website TheGreenPapers.com, only 334 delegates will be awarded. Super Tuesday will add only 599 more -- a total of just 41 percent of all delegates.

RNC rule changes this year encouraged states to delay their primaries until later in the year. Some of the states with the most delegates won't vote until late spring or even as late as the summer. New York and Pennsylvania will award their 95 and 72 delegates, respectively, on April 24. California's mother lode of 172 delegates won't be up for grabs until June 5.

Meanwhile, the first events in Iowa, New Hampshire and the other early states will kick off in early January on roughly the same schedule as four years ago.

The new RNC rules have also shifted some states to a more proportional awarding of delegates, making the process similar to the Democratic model. The largest state to vote on Super Tuesday is Texas, which awards 155 delegates -- but Texas has chosen to award its delegates proportionally. So a few candidates, not just one, could reap healthy delegate yields in the Lone Star state.

The consequence of these rule changes is the least front-loaded primary calendar in decades, featuring the longest-ever gap between Iowa and Super Tuesday.

Not only is the primary calendar more spread out, but some think the states voting on Super Tuesday add up to a slate that does not favor Romney.

In a scenario where a candidate other than Romney has survived January and February and heads into March with some momentum, "Romney's candidacy would be at great risk on Super Tuesday when southern and border state voting could vault a conservative challenger to Romney to a strong delegate lead that Romney might never erase," said Jeffrey G. Berman, who was national delegate director for Obama's 2008 campaign.

Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) will also likely be a significant factor, especially in a long primary. Paul polls well in Iowa and New Hampshire, and more importantly, his campaign is organizing in many of the caucus states where candidates can win many or all of the state's delegates with an intense effort from a committed base, a description that captures Paul's supporters.

1,143 delegates (out of 2,427) are needed to win the nomination.

If the delegates awarded before June are split between Romney, Gingrich, Perry, Cain and Paul, with Ron coming in first, second or third in every contest until June, and Paul wins the 172 delegates in California on June 5th, he could VERY LIKELY win the nomination.

We just need to make sure Romney doesn't achieve shut-out victory in the early states.

So go make calls. :)

http://phone.ronpaul2012.com

http://phone.ronpaul2012.com

http://phone.ronpaul2012.com

rideurlightning
11-27-2011, 02:47 PM
We're definitely going to have to really put some effort into California then.

69360
11-27-2011, 02:59 PM
What a lot are missing is that in this primary with the heavy debate schedule and internet presence, lesser candidates will be in it for the long haul, they don't need a lot of money to get the exposure to continue. We could possibly see 6-8 candidates on super Tuesday.

The Magic Hoof
11-27-2011, 03:01 PM
Wasn't there an article recently that said Paul looks like he'll win California pretty easily?

JakeH
11-27-2011, 03:02 PM
We're definitely going to have to really put some effort into California then.

We're really going to have to focus on Cali, but with their medical marijuana laws and the way the federal government has been interfering with them under both Bush and Obama, then Ron should have a lot of support from the get-go.

Xelaetaks
11-27-2011, 03:08 PM
We're really going to have to focus on Cali, but with their medical marijuana laws and the way the federal government has been interfering with them under both Bush and Obama, then Ron should have a lot of support from the get-go.

That can also help with the grassroots. If we ever call Cali we can ask how they feel about the medical marijuana raids and if they'd like a President who won't go after their state.

AFPVet
11-27-2011, 03:22 PM
We're really going to have to focus on Cali, but with their medical marijuana laws and the way the federal government has been interfering with them under both Bush and Obama, then Ron should have a lot of support from the get-go.

I agree... I think he will take Cali.

rideurlightning
11-27-2011, 03:22 PM
We're really going to have to focus on Cali, but with their medical marijuana laws and the way the federal government has been interfering with them under both Bush and Obama, then Ron should have a lot of support from the get-go.

Absolutely, we just need to focus on getting everyone out there. Do they have an open primary?

JakeH
11-27-2011, 03:27 PM
Absolutely, we just need to focus on getting everyone out there. Do they have an open primary?

They have an open primary in everything BUT presidential elections. That's unfortunate.

Keith and stuff
11-27-2011, 03:35 PM
Wasn't there an article recently that said Paul looks like he'll win California pretty easily?

Last I looked, Paul is in 5th place in CA.

Paulitics 2011
11-27-2011, 03:42 PM
For reference, June 5 is the California primary.

KingRobbStark
11-27-2011, 03:47 PM
California and Texas should be our main focus (besides the early states). I have a question though. Is Texas a winner take all too?

JakeH
11-27-2011, 03:49 PM
Last I looked, Paul is in 5th place in CA.

We're like six months from the CA Primary though. Plenty of time to gain ground in the polls, and plenty of time to focus some grassroot efforts there.

Christopher David
11-27-2011, 03:52 PM
California and Texas should be our main focus (besides the early states). I have a question though. Is Texas a winner take all too?

Texas is proportional.

You can see a breakdown of each state's delegate allocation here: http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/2010-08-06-RNC-Temporary_Delegate_Selection_Committee.phtml

jsingh1022
11-27-2011, 03:54 PM
9/5/2011 USC/LA Times Poll Results for California GOP Race:
Mitt Romney - 22%
Rick Perry - 22%
Ron Paul - 11%
Michele Bachmann - 10%

9/15/2011 Field Poll Results for California GOP Race
Mitt Romney - 28%
Rick Perry - 20%
Sarah Palin - 8%
Ron Paul - 7%
Newt Gingrich - 7%

Source: http://www.field.com/fieldpollonline/subscribers/Rls2385.pdf

9/17/2011 California GOP Straw Poll
Ron Paul - 44%
Rick Perry - 29%
Mitt Romney - 8%
Michele Bachmann - 7%

Source: http://www.cagop.org/index.cfm/press_release_1500.htm

11/16/2011 USC/LA Times Poll Results for California GOP Race:
Mitt Romney - 27%
Herman Cain - 20%
Newt Gingrich - 14%
Ron Paul - 6%

Source: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/11/16/2505869/romney-ahead-with-californias.html

Based on these polls results Ron Paul seems to be averaging 3rd place in California. I would take any poll from the establishment LA Times with a grain of salt. They are not a trustworthy media outlet.

These polls are another example of the mainstream media has been heavily influencing polling numbers. In September Cain and Gingrich were no where to be found, now in November they are polling in 2nd and 3rd. Oh, what the mainstream media can do for a candidates support.

It's really a matter of getting the message out. California was a few percentage points away from legalizing marijuana a few years ago. We just need enough voters to hear Ron Paul's message of liberty...

Student Of Paulism
11-27-2011, 05:43 PM
It's really a matter of getting the message out. California was a few percentage points away from legalizing marijuana a few years ago. We just need enough voters to hear Ron Paul's message of liberty...

Yea, well let's not forget, we're talking about Cali here. I think its a safe bet to say some would be voting for Newt and their reason being 'oh, hmm, i know dat guy! like omg! like he um! used to be ...like on tv with Bill Clinton, right! he must be smart, im sooooo like voting for him'. Even though that may sound comical, there is a very serious notion behind that. All too many of our brothers and sisters today have this thought process, unfortunately.

You know what i find so odd, maybe someone can explain this too. The guy wins straw polls like crazy. He's won tons in 1st place, many in 2nd. Yet in those same states in polls done by the papers there, hes like 4th or 5th. Like who are they polling, all big business, wall street type of people in those polls? Because it's obvious who those people always favor :rolleyes:

sailingaway
11-27-2011, 05:44 PM
Ron will only 'win' California if he has a surge, nationwide, likely. HOWEVER California awards delegates by district. My district is not likely to be one of the ones he wins, but we need to figure his best districts and those of us in unlikely districts can canvas the good districts. We've discussed this from time to time. However, California's primary isn't until June, so a lot depends on the earlier states. If it is just at a point of 'get as many delegates as we can for a possibly brokered convention', California can help. But he has a lot on his plate before it ever gets there.

Christopher David
11-27-2011, 05:56 PM
Fortunately, Rick Williams (formerly of BreakTheMatrix) will be running for U.S. Senate in California as a Ron Paul Republican - a great opportunity to organize statewide. The Senate and presidential primary are both on June 5th.

http://www.rickwilliamsforsenate.com

Endthefednow
11-27-2011, 06:07 PM
Rick williams is running against Dianne Feinstein? But I am a Blue Republican who has voted for her all my voting life :(

This time I will have to do research on this Rick Willams to see if he is a real Ron Paul Republican before I give him my vote ;)

Christopher David
11-27-2011, 06:11 PM
Rick williams is running against Dianne Feinstein? But I am a Blue Republican who has voted for her all my voting life :(

This time I will have to do research on this Rick Willams to see if he is a real Ron Paul Republican before I give him my vote ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJENX4RgcA

:)

sailingaway
11-27-2011, 06:14 PM
Fortunately, Rick Williams (formerly of BreakTheMatrix) will be running for U.S. Senate in California as a Ron Paul Republican - a great opportunity to organize statewide. The Senate and presidential primary are both on June 5th.

http://www.rickwilliamsforsenate.com\

um, I bookmarked it, but he really might want to add an 'issues/positions' section. It seems like a social media site. It also says he is running for 'California Senate' when it should be 'the U.S. Senate'. But I'll keep an eye on him if he ever puts any material in there

sailingaway
11-27-2011, 06:15 PM
Rick williams is running against Dianne Feinstein? But I am a Blue Republican who has voted for her all my voting life :(

This time I will have to do research on this Rick Willams to see if he is a real Ron Paul Republican before I give him my vote ;)

I voted for Feinstein also, until the last time, when I finally started looking more closely at her positions. Patriot Act, for just one of very many.

jaktober
11-27-2011, 08:22 PM
We're definitely going to have to really put some effort into California then.

Here's the strategy (Early State, Your State, California): http://freeindependentsun.com/republic/comprehensive-3-stage-grassroots-strategy-to-nominate-ron-paul-for-president/