What is the truth behind New Hampshire?

[Lord Xar]

Even back in 2007 I heard that N.H was the live free or die state etc.. YET, they supported McCain/Huck etc....

And now, they are supporting Romney and Gingrich.. What gives? This doesn't seem like the "Live free of Die State" but rather the "big government nanny state, state!". Iowa seems more liberty minded than N.H.

So, the question begs -- are we focusing too much on the minority that still believes in liberty and letting the other 90% gop cattle walk by?

I am not understanding the dynamic in N.H as clearly. Who lives there, are they as enslaved to the MSM as all the other states? I just assumed they were more independent and self-governing than the other states, and it doesn't seem like it.

[steph3n]

It is all the MassTrash.

[69360]

Southern NH is a suburb of Boston basically and a lot of the people in that part of the state are MA transplants aka massholes.

Northern NH is about as free as you can get in the USA.

[Lord Xar]

Southern NH is a suburb of Boston basically and a lot of the people in that part of the state are MA transplants aka massholes.

Well, is it possible that the "north" half can be coaxed into turning out en-masse?

Curious what the polling has shown, from the past, in regards to percentage that show up. If we can get the northern half to come out in droves, it might set a precedence.

[69360]

Well, is it possible that the "north" half can be coaxed into turning out en-masse?

Curious what the polling has shown, from the past, in regards to percentage that show up. If we can get the northern half to come out in droves, it might set a precedence.

The northern half of the state is sparsely populated, the paper industry that used to support it went away.

A good issue for the northern half of the state is the northern pass, people don't want their property taken and given to utility companies.

I'm no expert on the area, I've just spent a few weeks a year for the last few years in NH and ME.

[angelatc]

The liberals fleeing the high cost of living they've created in Mass turn around and vote for the same crap that drove them out.

[acptulsa]

Let us not fail to give credit where credit is due. Iowa is a special place. The Great Plains were built on Pioneer Spirit and have kept that spirit alive, Iowa has attracted an intelligent population over the years, and the Iowa caucuses are a unique and intriguing event which exercises heavy but not undue influence--and no small number of Iowans take that influence seriously and wish to maintain it by taking the responsibility therein seriously.

In short, New Hampshire talks a good game, while Iowa quietly plays a good game. Which isn't to say that New Hampshire doesn't play a good game, especially in contrast to her New England neighbors. It's just to give Iowa credit where credit truly is due.

[Lord Xar]

I understand the north is sparsely populated. But like "william wallace" maybe we can get them to come down in droves :-)

Also, if the South is "left leaning" why are they not getting on board with the pro-peace message of Ron Paul?

Is it a lack of coverage or what?

I think we can pick this vine, just need the angle. Not sure we have identified it yet.

[Miss Annie]

Not to bring up the birther issue, ..... definitely NOT the point. But from what I have read recently there is alot of corruption and voter fraud in NH.
The ballot commission is going to be under investigation for their latest hearings. It's not surprising though, it's easier to make a list of who is NOT bought and paid for these days.

[69360]

Romney has huge name recognition from his time as governor of MA, southern NH is in the Boston media market. In addition he bribed every single GOP office holder and candidate in NH down to the local elections with $1000 campaign contributions. He will be tough to best there. A second is significant.

[Lord Xar]

Not to bring up the birther issue, ..... definitely NOT the point. But from what I have read recently there is alot of corruption and voter fraud in NH.
The ballot commission is going to be under investigation for their latest hearings. It's not surprising though, it's easier to make a list of who is NOT bought and paid for these days.

Yeah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKQEQ7qHvgM , that brings back alot of very irritating feelings for me.

These guys stole the election.

[Student Of Paulism]

Not to bring up the birther issue, ..... definitely NOT the point. But from what I have read recently there is alot of corruption and voter fraud in NH.
The ballot commission is going to be under investigation for their latest hearings. It's not surprising though, it's easier to make a list of who is NOT bought and paid for these days.

Yep, from the vid i seen that someone posted here earlier, it showed their SoS and his henchman deviating from ballot box procedure and was followed by a woman and her team (Bev Harris i think her name is, of Black Box--a watchdog) questioning him about what they were doing, and it was just really upsetting to watch. Just downright dispicable, especially when you see his reactions when being questioned.

I did some more research on it, and its been a big issue, big enough to be talked about with Lou Dobbs and other citizen groups who have been reporting voter fraud to various institutes who are trying to fight it.

Take a look at this, it's just mind blowing when you see the countless stats on what they can do. Multiple votes for the same person, fake/phantom votes, fake addresses, etc

And i honestly believe that Bill Gardner in that video i seen, really had no answer when being grilled, because he was never given one by his 'master'. These guys are more or less 'local government' or lower level people, being told (and im sure, PAID) to do this crap, and never given an explanation. They are told to do something and not to question it. Don't ask, don't tell also applies here.

From another thread in case ya'll missed it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PKQEQ7qHvgM

The one i alluded to above:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdsIYlO4Ijc&list=PL956318CB902B254C&index=2&feature=plpp_video

Sad stuff, and like the one woman says here, it's most likely going on all over the damn country. I seriously hope the people behind this get locked up for life. To me, this is a form of treason and should have extreme penalties.

[rich34]

Northern NH was known as "Buchannan country" back in 96. Surely Paul could appeal to those voters, but offsetting those in the south would be a big task. However, if we can win Iowa all things can change. Look what it did for John establishment Kerry back in 04.

[Dustancostine]

In addition he bribed every single GOP office holder and candidate in NH down to the local elections with $1000 campaign contributions.

This is why as GOP County Chairman in Texas I rejected all donations from people running for office. If they wanted to donate after they won or lost that was fine, but not while running.

[RDM]

I wish the campaign would run a ad up there exposing Romney. It could be something like this:


Did you receive a check from Romney? These people did.

[ Then list a column of names that Romney gave checks to ]

[Keith and stuff]

Iowa seems more liberty minded than N.H.

It is really strange to see that written down. Are you sure you meant to write that? Do you know anything about state politics?



Who lives there, are they as enslaved to the MSM as all the other states?

57% of the people in NH were born in other states. Around 25% of the people in NH were born in MA.

Republicans pay attention to Fox News, Howie Carr and the Union Leader. Democrats pay attention to the Concord Monitor, NHPR, the Keene Sentinel, the Portsmouth Herald and the Globe. The 42% of voters that are undeclared (independent, if you will), I'm not sure what they pay attention to. WMUR is the only TV station based in NH (it leans left) but people with cable also get the Boston stations.


I just assumed they were more independent and self-governing than the other states, and it doesn't seem like it.

As many states did, NH just had city elections. Manchester is the largest city. The city council (board of alderman, actually) is 14 people. 9 from wards are Democrats. 1 from wards is GOP. 1 at-large is Democrat and 1 at-large is GOP (the highest voter getter out of all of the alderman because he promised to do everything possible to reduce taxes.) The GOP mayor was just reelected with 71.4% of the vote.

Statewide, the voters reelected a moderate Democratic governor to his 4th term. At the same time, both the state house and the state senate went about 75% Republican. Voters in NH are against statewide property, sales and income taxes. They support casinos, gay marriage, the lottery and medical marijuana.

They are, much more so than in most states. Lots of people have wells for water, wood stoves for heat, plowers for moving snow and so on. Hardly anywhere in NH has government trash pick up. You either pay someone to haul your trash to the dump or you do it yourself. You aren't required to get auto insurance, medical insurance, wear a helmet or wear a seat belt in NH. We don't even have learner's permits for drivers. The vast majority of the fire departments are volunteer and some of the towns don't have cops. In most of the towns, local voters vote on the budget line by line.

[Lord Xar]

It is really strange to see that written down. Are you sure you meant to write that? Do you know anything about state politics?



57% of the people in NH were born in other states. Around 25% of the people in NH were born in MA.

Republicans pay attention to Fox News, Howie Carr and the Union Leader. Democrats pay attention to the Concord Monitor, NHPR, the Keene Sentinel, the Portsmouth Herald and the Globe. The 42% of voters that are undeclared (independent, if you will), I'm not sure what they pay attention to. WMUR is the only TV station based in NH (it leans left) but people with cable also get the Boston stations.



As many states did, NH just had city elections. Manchester is the largest city. The city council (board of alderman, actually) is 14 people. 9 from wards are Democrats. 1 from wards is GOP. 1 at-large is Democrat and 1 at-large is GOP (the highest voter getter out of all of the alderman because he promised to do everything possible to reduce taxes.) The GOP mayor was just reelected with 71.4% of the vote.

Statewide, the voters reelected a moderate Democratic governor to his 4th term. At the same time, both the state house and the state senate went about 75% Republican. Voters in NH are against statewide property, sales and income taxes. They support casinos, gay marriage, the lottery and medical marijuana.

They are, much more so than in most states. Lots of people have wells for water, wood stoves for heat, plowers for moving snow and so on. Hardly anywhere in NH has government trash pick up. You either pay someone to haul your trash to the dump or you do it yourself. You aren't required to get auto insurance, medical insurance, wear a helmet or wear a seat belt in NH. We don't even have learner's permits for drivers. The vast majority of the fire departments are volunteer and some of the towns don't have cops. In most of the towns, local voters vote on the budget line by line.

Sounds great, then why are they not rallying behind the guy who wants to put a fork in taxes, wants more liberty and wants to end the wars. Supports medical marijuana.... YET they support Mitt and Gingrich. This is the impetus for the OP. What you described here is much different than how they are polling (in regards the GOP presidential field).

[Keith and stuff]

Not to bring up the birther issue, ..... definitely NOT the point. But from what I have read recently there is alot of corruption and voter fraud in NH.

A lot of corruption in NH? NH is known as the least corrupt state.

New Hampshire is the least corrupt state
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/05/11/the-most-corrupt-states.html

This isn't a surprise. After all, NH has the lowest crime, the lowest poverty, the highest averaged median household income, the lowest paid politicians, the least lobbied politicians and so on


The NH rankings: 1 is the worst, 51 is the best (it included DC)
Public Corruption: 49
Racketeering & Extortion: 37
Fraud Rank: 25
Forgery & Counterfeiting: 46
Embezzlement: 39

[anaconda]

oops. redundant post. sorry. mod delete if possible.

[69360]

57% of the people in NH were born in other states

If we can't get Ron elected president, I most likely will become part of that statistic. Living in NH will be one of the last chances at real freedom in the US.

[revgen]

Ron Paul supporters in NH should stand outside those precinct counting locations on election day chanting and waving signs. It'll probably scare the pants off the scammers who work there.

[Keith and stuff]

Sounds great, then why are they not rallying behind the guy who wants to put a fork in taxes, wants more liberty and wants to end the wars. Supports medical marijuana.... YET they support Mitt and Gingrich. This is the impetus for the OP. What you described here is much different than how they are polling (in regards the GOP presidential field).

According to the plans, Gary Johnson and Rick Perry want to cut taxes the most. They are pretty much non issues in NH. Johnson is a poor speaker, has few donors, little name recognition and refused to tailor his message towards his audience. Perry is a poor speaker, reminds people of the Bushs( both are unpopular in NH) and is bad on some key issues like parental choice and giving illegals instate tuition (the NH government subsidizes higher education much less than another other state.)

The Ron Paul and Mitt Romney plans have similar tax policies.

As for the wars, NH Republicans are divided on the issue. My guess is most Republicans want more wars. However, the three less war candidates (Paul, Johnson and Huntsman) have about 25% of the vote, according to the polls.

Republican voters in NH are divided on medical marijuana. The majority support it but it isn't a major issue in NH (or anywhere.) For example, even though 70%+ of NH voters (and 90%+ of Democrats) in NH support medical marijuana, NH voters elected Democratic (anti-medical marijuana) Gov. Lynch for a 4th term in 2010. Heck, even in CA the voters elected a Democratic governor that is known for being strongly against medical marijuana. Plus, supporting medical marijuana and decrim isn't the same as ending the war on drugs as Ron Paul has mentioned. My guess is the average medical marijuana supporter would rather not have medical marijuana than end the war on all drugs.

Why is Ron Paul doing better in NH than any of the other primary states? I guess his message is somewhat popular in NH. After all, it is the live free or die state. He also has a large campaign organization in NH; so, even though NH is the most competitive state, he is able to make himself known here.

Caucus states are a lot different than primary states, and no primary states is like NH. As you know, hardly anyone votes in the caucus states. That's the opposite of NH. In NH, the voter turnout is usually near the highest in the country. It's really the hardest state to win. However, Mitt Romney has perhaps worked harder to win it this time than anyone has ever worked before. He has spent about 3 times as much time in NH this year as Ron Paul. But Romney just hasn't been in NH this year, it's a 3rd home to him and has been for years. After all, he is partly responsible for getting so many Republicans elected here in 2010.

[Keith and stuff]

Ron Paul supporters in NH should stand outside those precinct counting locations on election day chanting and waving signs. It'll probably scare the pants off the scammers who work there.

OMG, I certainly hope they don't chant. That's a great way to encourage people to vote for other candidates.

[revgen]

OMG, I certainly hope they don't chant. That's a great way to encourage people to vote for other candidates.

Not the voting locations. The counting locations where they take the ballots and try to cheat.

[Keith and stuff]

Not the voting locations. The counting locations where they take the ballots and try to cheat.

Whenever I am standing outside a polling place in NH, the counting happens at the same location. When I vote in NH it works like that. I feel out a paper ballot. I partially feed it into a machine. The machine takes it. The number on top of the machine (the voter count) is increased by one. After the voting ends at that voting location, several people from various campaigns gather around. The government officials tally up the results for that location and tell the campaign people in the room. The campaign people in the room call or text it to their campaign headquarters and head home or to a campaign party.

Maybe things worked different in the 2008 primaries in NH, I don't know.