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Created4
11-25-2011, 07:27 PM
Two raw dairy farmers–Richard Hebner and David Hochstetler–have been ordered to appear before a federal grand jury in Detroit in connection with what an assistant U.S. attorney calls a “federal criminal investigation.”

The investigation may well have been plotted in early 2009, during a phone conference call involving state and federal regulators.

Grand jury investigations are considered very serious affairs, and are usually held in tight secrecy. While the U.S. Constitution’s Fifth Amendment is generally identified with prohibiting self incrimination and double jeopardy, it begins, “No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury…” So we’re talking here about “a capital, or otherwise infamous crime…”

Moreover, witnesses called before such a jury of one’s peers have few of the rights that apply at a regular trial, including the right to be represented by a lawyer, or limits on the kind of evidence that can be introduced.

The need for re-scheduling of an appearance by Hebner and Hochstetler, scheduled for yesterday, the day before Thanksgiving, led to a testy exchange between an assistant U.S. attorney, Ross Goldstein, and Aajonus Vonderplanitz, operating in his role as executive director of Right to Choose Health Food. Hochstetler, an Amish farmer and the owner of Forest Grove Dairy in Middlebury, IN, has a leasing agreement with Right to Choose Healthy Food whereby his farm supplies food to members of the organization who belong to Midwest food clubs.

Vonderplanitz in August was denied by a federal judge any role in representing another Amish farmer, Daniel Allgyer. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is seeking a permanent injunction against Allgyer shipping raw milk to the Grassfed on the Hill food club in Maryland. It conducted a year-long undercover investigation of the food club prior to seeking the injunction.

Goldstein, the assistant U.S. attorney in Michigan, said in an email on Wednesday to Vonderplanitz, who was seeking confirmation of the re-scheduling of the two farmers to Dec. 8: “As Judge Stengel explained in his order denying your motion for intervention in United States v. Allgyer, No. 11-02651 (E.D. Pa. Jul. 18, 2011), ‘Mr. Vonderplanitz is not an attorney and cannot represent others in federal court . . . .’ Although your email of this morning implies that you represent the legal interests of other individuals or entities, you may not lawfully do so. Accordingly, the substance of your communication…is of no moment and is being disregarded in toto. Moreover, I can see no reason why you should have any need to further discuss this matter with the United States at this juncture.”

To which Vonderplanitz responded, just as huffily, “You wrote with the authority of a judge yet you are a prosecutor. As a U.S. attorney, shouldn’t you know more about law, especially the U.S. Constitution than you reveal? The decision by Judge Stengel in the Allgyer case does not set precedence in that case or any other case. I am simply waiting for the case to be resolved in Judge Stengel’s court so that I can appeal the decision.

“I and all members of Right To Choose Healthy Food club members contracted for ownership of the animals at those farms to produce the food we need for our health. We have the most righteous legal interest. Just because one judge made a bad ruling does not make it right or precedence. It is not over until all appeal processes have been exhausted, in at least 5 years from the date it is over in the lower court.

“I do not purport to represent anyone as an attorney however, if you study the U.S. Constitution, anyone can assist anyone of his or her choosing. Since I have contractual legal interest in the activities you are trying to end, I have every right in the world to assist the innocent people and farmers you harass and try to prosecute to deprive them of life, liberty, well-being and livelihood. My email stands as your notification for Mr. Hebron and Hochstetler that the Grand Jury Hearing set for today was postponed by you in your conversation with Mr. Hebron, and that any other Grand Jury Hearing will have to begin from a new process.

“You will hear from me anytime you try to harass or stop a farmer with whom I have a PRIVATE club contract to produce healthy food for me and members of our private clubs. You have no legal jurisdiction over private clubs. Your jurisdiction is with the public.”

Continue reading the story: http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/obama-administration-continues-attacks-on-small-raw-milk-dairy-farmers/

phill4paul
11-25-2011, 07:38 PM
Well, of course not. They are not going to stop anything simply because it is the will of the people.

Danke
11-25-2011, 08:38 PM
“You will hear from me anytime you try to harass or stop a farmer with whom I have a PRIVATE club contract to produce healthy food for me and members of our private clubs. You have no legal jurisdiction over private clubs. Your jurisdiction is with the public.”

Continue reading the story: http://healthimpactnews.com/2011/obama-administration-continues-attacks-on-small-raw-milk-dairy-farmers/

Good, more and more people are figuring out the matrix. Just like direct taxation, it's all about jurisdiction.

Warrior_of_Freedom
11-26-2011, 04:47 AM
This is so lame. It would be a different story if they were selling raw milk that was labeled as pasteurized, but that's not the case. We can buy raw meat, why not raw milk?

Created4
11-26-2011, 09:24 AM
This is so lame. It would be a different story if they were selling raw milk that was labeled as pasteurized, but that's not the case. We can buy raw meat, why not raw milk?

Because raw meat comes mainly from the huge CAFOs and are part of the "system" of cheap subsidized food. Raw milk sold directly from the farm by passes the milk pools and large processors, threatening their business.