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johnwk
11-24-2011, 12:44 PM
SEE: Gingrich Taking Heat Over Immigration Stance (http://www.kmj580.com/pages/landing/?blockID=568756&feedID=806)


”(CBS) Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich on Tuesday said the United States should not break up families of immigrants who entered the United States illegally and he was willing to "take the heat" from Republicans for deviating from his party's orthodoxy.

"I don't see how the party that says it's the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families that have been here a quarter century," Gingrich said at the CNN debate on foreign policy in Washington, near the White House.”

From what Gingrich states, he is more concerned with the well-being of those who have entered our country illegally and concerned about their families, than our federal government’s current attempt to prohibit Arizona and other States from regulating aliens within their borders.

Surely the well being of aliens ought to be of secondary concern to Mr. Gingrich from that of our federal government’s current despotic attempt to forbid the various States to deal with and regulate aliens within their borders__ a power never delegated to the united States, and is one retained by the States under our Constitution‘s Tenth Amendment!

Unfortunately, Mr. Gingrich in expressing his opinion about “immigration policy” seems to give legitimacy to what Eric Holder is arguing in Court, that:


“In our constitutional system, the federal government has preeminent authority to regulate immigration matters. This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress.”

But is our federal government vested with a “preeminent authority to regulate immigration matters” within the various State borders and adopt “immigration policy“ which suits Mr. Gingrich‘s vision? Let us review some facts so Mr. Gingrich may rethink his priorities.

FACT: Congress may not assume a power not granted by the Constitution. And so, Eric Holder’s statement that the federal government’s authority to regulate immigration matters is “derived from numerous acts of Congress” is totally without foundation! Congress cannot by legislative acts delegate enforceable powers to itself which the States have not expressly granted to Congress under the Constitution!

This leaves us with the question: under what provision of our Constitution, as opposed to “acts of Congress” has Congress been delegated power to “regulate immigration matters” which Eric Holder alleges exists?


OBSERVATION:

With reference to the meaning of words as they appear in our Constitution ”Words or terms used in a constitution, being dependent on ratification by the people voting upon it, must be understood in the sense most obvious to the common understanding at the time of its adoption…”_ 16 Am Jur 2d Constitutional law, Meaning of Language.

FACT: Nowhere in our federal Constitution does the word “immigration” appear! And so, Eric Holder’s assertion that the federal government has “preeminent authority to regulate immigration matters” and “This authority derives from the United States Constitution” is not to be found or substantiated from the text of our Constitution! However, the word “naturalization” does appear in the text of our Constitution and involves an exclusive power granted to Congress!

This leaves us with two important questions which Mr. Gingrich has avoided while promoting his compassionate political views concerning the families of aliens who have entered a State illegally. The two questions being: What are the limitations of this power (naturalization) granted to Congress? And, does such power allow the federal government to interfere with a State’s authority to adopt legislation regulating aliens within its borders?

In answering these questions we are bound to observe the most fundamental rule of constitutional law which is stated as follows:

“The fundamental principle of constitutional construction is that effect must be given to the intent of the framers of the organic law and of the people adopting it. This is the polestar in the construction of constitutions, all other principles of construction are only rules or guides to aid in the determination of the intention of the constitution’s framers.”( numerous citations omitted).___ Vol.16 American Jurisprudence, 2d Constitutional law (1992 edition), pages 418-19, Par. 92. Intent of framers and adopters as controlling

So, to answer the above questions we must determine the meaning of “naturalization’ as our founders used the word with respect to a power granted to Congress, and, we must likewise determine the legislative intent for which said power was granted, and if such power was intended to allow Newt Gringrich’s compassion to interfere with a state's power to regulate aliens within its borders.

In documenting the meaning of “naturalization” as our founders used the word, and the legislative intent for which such power was granted to Congress, let us turn to Federalist No. 42 in which Madison questions how “obnoxious” aliens may have “acquired the character of citizens under the laws of another State, and then asserted their rights as such, both to residence and citizenship“ within a State proscribing them.

Madison goes on to say “The new Constitution has accordingly, with great propriety, made provision against them, and all others proceeding from the defect of the Confederation on this head, by authorizing the general government to establish a uniform rule of naturalization throughout the United States.”

The irrefutable fact is, the meaning of “naturalization” as used by our founders, is nothing more than a power to establish a rule(s) by which an alien is granted citizenship, and was never intended, nor does it include, a power granted to the federal government to interfere with a state regulating aliens within its borders!

This of course is confirmed when studying our founder’s very own words when debating our nation’s first Rule of Naturalization, in February of 1790, e.g., REPRESENTATIVE SHERMAN, who attended the Constitutional Convention which framed our Constitution points to the intentions for which a power over naturalization was granted to Congress. He says:

“that Congress should have the power of naturalization, in order toprevent particular States receiving citizens, and forcing them upon others who would not have received them in any other manner. It was therefore meant to guard against an improper mode of naturalization, rather than foreigners should be received upon easier terms than those adopted by the several States.” see CONGRESSIONAL DEBATES, Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790 PAGE 1148 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=001/llac001.db&recNum=574)

In addition, REPRESENTATIVE WHITE while debating the Rule of Naturalization notes the narrow limits of what “Naturalization” [the power granted to Congress] means, and he ”doubted whether the constitution authorized Congress to say on what terms aliens or citizens should hold lands in the respective States; the power vested by the Constitution in Congress, respecting the subject now before the House, extend to nothing more than making a uniform rule of naturalization. After a person has once become a citizen, the power of congress ceases to operate upon him; the rights and privileges of citizens in the several States belong to those States; but a citizen of one State is entitled to all the privileges and immunities of the citizens in the several States…..all, therefore, that the House have to do on this subject, is to confine themselves to an uniform rule of naturalization and not to a general definition of what constitutes the rights of citizenship in the several States.” see: Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790, page 1152 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=001/llac001.db&recNum=576)

And finally, REPRESENTATIVE STONE … concluded that the laws and constitutions of the States, and the constitution of the United States; would trace out the steps by which they should acquire certain degrees of citizenship [page 1156]. Congress may point out a uniform rule of naturalization; but cannot say what shall be the effect of that naturalization, as it respects the particular States. Congress cannot say that foreigners, naturalized, under a general law, shall be entitled to privileges which the States withhold from native citizens. See: Rule of Naturalization, Feb. 3rd, 1790, pages 1156 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=001/llac001.db&recNum=578) and 1157 (http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=001/llac001.db&recNum=579)

And so, Newt Gingrich, in posturing his compassion towards the families of aliens who have invaded our borders, while ignoring Eric Holder’s attempted usurpation of power and his assault upon the powers retained by the States, especially Arizona‘s retained power to regulate aliens in preserving its general welfare under our Constitution’s Ten Amendment, gives us an indication that Mr. Gringrich’s priority is in harmony with that of Eric Holder and Obama, and not with their sworn oath to support and defend our written Constitution and the documented intentions and beliefs under which it was adopted.

JWK

Mr. Gingrich, keep you freaken nose out of Arizona’s retained power to regulate aliens within its borders!

johnwk
11-26-2011, 09:31 AM
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Newt Gingrich has offered his vision for America with respect to aliens who have invaded the borders of the united States, and he would impose that vision upon each of the various States. And in the process he ignores that we have a Constitution which includes the power retained by each State to regulate their internal affairs. And this retained power includes regulating aliens within their own borders to preserve the State‘s general welfare!

Our federal government’s limited power in the area under discussion is that of “naturalization” ___ the setting of a rule by which an alien becomes a citizen of the united States ___ and its power does not extend to circumventing a State’s retained power to adopt regulatory legislation to control aliens while in the State’s own borders!

Instead of Newt Gingrich respecting our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment which was specifically adopted to preserve and protect “federalism” our Constitution’s plan, Mr. Gingrich has worked for years to centralize and concentrate power in Washington, as he did with impunity when voting to create Jimmy Carter’s un-constitutional federal department of education!

Is it not apparent that Mr. Gingrich intentionally spat upon our founder’s expressed intentions when helping to create the federal department of education, especially the expressed intentions of Representative Page spoken on Feb.7th, 1792?

"The framers of the Constitution guarded so much against a possibility of such partial preferences as might be given, if Congress had the right to grant them, that, even to encourage learning and useful arts, the granting of patents is the extent of their power. And surely nothing could be less dangerous to the sovereignty or interest of the individual States than the encouragement which might be given to ingenious inventors or promoters of valuable inventions in the arts and sciences. The encouragement which the General Government might give to the fine arts, to commerce, to manufactures, and agriculture, might, if judiciously applied, redound to the honor of Congress, and the splendor, magnificence, and real advantage of the United States; but the wise framers of our Constitution saw that, if Congress had the power of exerting what has been called a royal munificence for these purposes, Congress might, like many royal benefactors, misplace their munificence; might elevate sycophants, and be inattentive to men unfriendly to the views of Government; might reward the ingenuity of the citizens of one State, and neglect a much greater genius of another. A citizen of a powerful State it might be said, was attended to, whilst that of one of less weight in the Federal scale was totally neglected. It is not sufficient, to remove these objections, to say, as some gentlemen have said, that Congress in incapable of partiality or absurdities, and that they are as far from committing them as my colleagues or myself. I tell them the Constitution was formed on a supposition of human frailty, and to restrain abuses of mistaken powers.” SEE: Annals of Congress Feb 7th,1792 Rep Page (http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llac&fileName=003/llac003.db&recNum=194)

JWK



Mr. Gingrich, keep you freaken nose out of Arizona’s retained power to regulate aliens within its borders!

acptulsa
11-26-2011, 12:12 PM
Yeah, Gingrich has always been willing to take the heat. He has always been willing to be a political pyromaniac, too.

I really don't think he expects or even wants to be president. I just get that feeling.

Paul Revered
11-26-2011, 04:47 PM
“Hispanics” are 15–16% of the U.S. population and collect 49.4% of all food stamps.
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/research/res/pdf/foodtrends/FSA6.pdf

Each “Low wage” immigrant in the U.S. consumes about $20,000 more PER YEAR in social services than they contribute in taxes.
http://www.heritage.org/research/testimony/the-fiscal-cost-of-low-skill-immigrants-to-state-and-local-taxpayers.

86% of illegal alien families in the County of Los Angeles are on at least on major welfare program.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/jan/county-s-illegal-alien-welfare-tab-exceeds-600-mil

Becker
11-26-2011, 04:51 PM
Yeah, Gingrich has always been willing to take the heat. He has always been willing to be a political pyromaniac, too.

I really don't think he expects or even wants to be president. I just get that feeling.

sounds very familiar :(

Cutlerzzz
11-26-2011, 05:34 PM
“Hispanics” are 15–16% of the U.S. population and collect 49.4% of all food stamps.
http://www.dss.cahwnet.gov/research/res/pdf/foodtrends/FSA6.pdf

Each “Low wage” immigrant in the U.S. consumes about $20,000 more PER YEAR in social services than they contribute in taxes.
http://www.heritage.org/research/testimony/the-fiscal-cost-of-low-skill-immigrants-to-state-and-local-taxpayers.

86% of illegal alien families in the County of Los Angeles are on at least on major welfare program.
http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/jan/county-s-illegal-alien-welfare-tab-exceeds-600-milNewsflash: Illegal Immigrants pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits.

http://news.jornal.us/article-4671.Illegal-Immigrants-Pay-Billion-in-Taxes--Immigration-Reform-could-be-the-reason---Video.html