The meaning of the word 'neocon' - not something to call every hawk

[TulsaRevolution]

A neoconservative is a liberal globalist who uses conservatives as pawns.

Most people who SAY they believe in limited constitutional government but support neoconservative policies that contradict the actual limits placed on Federal power which the Constitution provides, just don't have the proper understanding. They are good people, and in their minds they truly believe in this nation and its Constitution. They aren't the problem, and calling them "NEOCON" isn't fair to them and isn't winning the Paul campaign any friends.

The problem is the actual neocons, and they are using these people in a sinister game to gain or hold on to power.

Who explains it better than Ron Paul?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_MzIFMJz-I

^ That is what a neocon is. A working mother who hasn't spent dozens of hours learning about why Ron Paul's policy makes the most sense, and supports someone like a McCain or Romney is not a NEOCON. The problem is that every different aspect of "Conservatism", which is a naturally popular viewpoint for people to have, has been co-opted by actual sinister liberal elite globalist NEOCONS. They are using the people. Don't blame the PEOPLE.

You have to make peace with the people. Be friends with them. Try your best to wake them up. Don't beat them over the head. You cannot expect someone who has a general understanding of the world defined by mainstream media sources to suddenly watch your 27 part Youtube series on the NWO and Rothschilds. There are many embedded triggers in the programming of the mainstream that they are taught to immediately dismiss your ideas if you pull them.

Example of triggers: The video I just posted above about Neocons. The person who made the video filled it up with a bunch of Israeli flags and stars of david. That is the wrong way to go about waking up regular people because it sets off the trigger. While those of us who are awake may understand that being critical of Israel is being critical of a policy of a Nation, and not of a race or religion, normal people are programmed to react negatively to this. So the above video is terrible - although the audio of Paul without all of those inflammatory images is perfect educational material - If someone could find a YT version without it, or make one, it would be something to share with your mainstream friends.

But another trigger is CALLING PEOPLE NEOCONS. Not only are you wrong in calling a normal person a neocon, you are also setting off the "everything I say is nonsense" trigger by calling people that.

Regular people who identify with the other candidates are good people who have been misled by information outlets they were taught and indoctrinated into believeing were trustworthy. And a common theme in today's political mediascape, is the abuse of trust. Everyone has their little niche that they trust for one reason or another, and they are fed lies that they believe because of the trust they think they have with that specific outlet.

Be nice to people, avoid triggers, be creative in how you open minds.

This next video is a great example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k9tkz2TESs

Judge Napolitano gets it. I severely doubt, as much as he would disagree with her, he would refer to a working mother at a Romney rally as a neoconservative.

[KramerDSP]

I agree. We capture more flies with honey than vinegar. I, for one, have stopped using the word "neo-con" and I use "neo-conservative" if I have to. I agree that the leaders are the neo-conservatives, and the average joe on the street does not fit that term.

[RIPLEYMOM]

Very important differentiation. I really think Ron is the most inclusive candidate. We won't be furthering the cause at this point by using that kind of divisive language. I'm guilty as well, AND I was one who didn't 'see' the truth and was similarly ill-informed. Very good thread. Thanks!

[wistfulthinker]

Tulsa, thank you for this post.

[jcarcinogen]

Why does neo-con piss them off and not neo-conservative? I never hear anyone get mad being called a neo-lib.

[willwash]

I only use neocon in reference to the other GOP candidates, not their supporters.

[Captain Shays]

Why does neo-con piss them off and not neo-conservative? I never hear anyone get mad being called a neo-lib.

It pisses off Republicans because of all the liberal Democrats who called Bush, Cheney,Romsfeld et al neocons in a deragotary way. Most of them didn't even know what it meant.

It's better to call them "new style conservatives" and make the clear distinction between them and the "old style conservatives". Glenn Beck has done is a wonderful service in labeling "progressives" as bad guys and I like to equate the new style conservatives to progressives because so mahy of them are Beck fans.

What did progressives do? They gave us the Federal Reserve Act, the 16th Amendment creating the IRS, the 17th Amendment allowing direct election of senators which tremendously enlarged the powers of the Federal Govt and they gave us the 18th Amendment abolishing alcohol and a whole list of drugs. That was the first time in our history that the Federal Govt presumed to tell free people what they could or could not put into their own bodies. They also abandoned the foreign policy of armed neutrality that the founding fathers designed for us and the old style conservatives supported for Wilson's "make the world safe for democracy" ( a system that our founders detested)
This argument points out that the police the world style is one of Democrats and the new style conservatives and was opposed by the old style conservatives and the founding fathers and MOST Americans

[Kade]

Quit hijacking the term "liberal", Christ.

[sailingaway]

Those who don't know that are learning. I'm changing your thread title. It makes it seem like the people on this forum do nothing but run around calling ordinary people neocons.

[Bruehound]

Great job OP. Bump for the masses.

[TulsaRevolution]

Quit hijacking the term "liberal", Christ.

This deserves thought since I created a thread telling people how to properly use the term neocon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism


Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis)[1] is the belief in the importance of liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally, liberals support ideas such as constitutionalism, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, and freedom of religion.

So if I understand it correctly, the word Liberal is combining the word Liberty with Equal?

Now I'm learning something new. I looked up the word Liberal in the dictionary, and the political meaning is the only one in there.

I had a backwards assumption that the word was a synonym for "a lot" or generous amounts, i.e. "Apply a liberal amount of cheese to my pizza", when in fact THAT useage is the slang.

Liberal in that sense is only listed on urbandictionary!

So back to Liberalism in America. I had assumed, based on the backwards assumption that the slang was the real word, and the political idea was based on "liberal amounts" of government, that the word could be used to describe anyone who is actually trying to grow centralized power in government - Hence my useage in my post. Now I see where that is the exact opposite of the case.

So what would better be the first adjective (among many) to describe a neoconservative in its' true form? There seem to be many elements of Statism, marxism, Leninism, Socialism, and Authoritarianism wrapped up into this political design. Is "Leftist" applicable to neocons where I incorrectly used the term Liberal?

[Cabal]

Neo-con, conservative, minarchist, liberal, democrat, republican, neo-liberal, socialist, communist, authoritarian, totalitarian, fascist, tea party, occupy, LP, CP, blue republican, constitutionalist...

...all just different ways of describing a Statist.

[jcarcinogen]

This deserves thought since I created a thread telling people how to properly use the term neocon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism



So if I understand it correctly, the word Liberal is combining the word Liberty with Equal?

Now I'm learning something new. I looked up the word Liberal in the dictionary, and the political meaning is the only one in there.

I had a backwards assumption that the word was a synonym for "a lot" or generous amounts, i.e. "Apply a liberal amount of cheese to my pizza", when in fact THAT useage is the slang.

Liberal in that sense is only listed on urbandictionary!

So back to Liberalism in America. I had assumed, based on the backwards assumption that the slang was the real word, and the political idea was based on "liberal amounts" of government, that the word could be used to describe anyone who is actually trying to grow centralized power in government - Hence my useage in my post. Now I see where that is the exact opposite of the case.

So what would better be the first adjective (among many) to describe a neoconservative in its' true form? There seem to be many elements of Statism, marxism, Leninism, Socialism, and Authoritarianism wrapped up into this political design. Is "Leftist" applicable to neocons where I incorrectly used the term Liberal?

Check this out also... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

In some publications of FA Hayek's "A Road to Serfdom", there is a foreword by Hayek explaining how the term liberalism has changed.

[Cabal]

Check this out also... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism

In some publications of FA Hayek's "A Road to Serfdom", there is a foreword by Hayek explaining how the term liberalism has changed.

Rothbard has also detailed how political ideoligies have been misconstrued over the years in his works.

[Pete Kay]

Great post. With regard to the word "liberal," I thinks it's better to just say progressive or left-wing when speaking about about those from the left. The word liberal is loaded with positive connotations and to use it as a pejorative will immediately cause many to dismiss everything you say.

[Feeding the Abscess]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/rockwell/neo-con-explained.html


As Max Boot admits: "It is not really domestic policy that defines neo-conservatism. This was a movement founded on foreign policy, and it is still here that neo-conservatism carries the greatest meaning, even if its original raison d'être — opposition to communism — has disappeared."

Now, it would be wrong to say that the neoconservatives had not undergone any kind of intellectual change. They became less enamored of formal socialism and more at home with mixed-economy capitalism. They grew to hate much of the egalitarian-left cultural agenda of Democratic Party special-interest groups. Many of them wrote treatises decrying the excesses of their ex-brethren.