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Lucille
11-22-2011, 03:51 PM
Man catches 881-pound tuna, seized by feds (http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/man-catches-881-pound-tuna-seized-feds-194650751.html)


A Massachusetts fisherman pulled in an 881-pound tuna this week only to have the federal authorities take it away. It sounds like a libertarian twist on the classic novella by Ernest Hemingway, The Old Man and the Sea, but for Carlos Rafael, the saga is completely true.

Rafael and his crew were using nets to catch bottom-dwellers when they inadvertently snagged the giant tuna. However, federal fishery enforcement agents took control of the behemoth when the boat returned to port. The reason for the seizure was procedural: While Rafael had the appropriate permits, fishermen are only allowed to catch tuna with a rod and reel.

It would seem that unlike the fictional New England shark hunters in Jaws, Rafael didn't need a bigger boat, just a better permit.
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And while Rafael is denied the mother of all fish stories, the federal impoundment of his catch also means he's probably losing out on a giant payday. A 754-pound tuna recently sold for nearly $396,000. NOAA regulators do not share any of the proceeds from the fish's eventual sale with a fisherman found in violation of federal rules.

"They said it had to be caught with rod and reel," a frustrated Rafael said. "We didn't try to hide anything. We did everything by the book. Nobody ever told me we couldn't catch it with a net."

Rafael says he has meticulously prepared for a giant catch like this, purchasing 15 tuna permits over the past four years for his groundfish boats. He even immediately called a "bluefin tuna hot line" (yes, such things exist) to report his catch. "I wanted to sell the fish while it was fresh instead of letting it age on the boat," he said. "It was a beautiful fish."

Proceeds of the sale from the fish will be held in an account until the case is resolved, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration's Office of Law Enforcement. "The matter is still under investigation," said Monica Allen, deputy director with NOAA Fisheries public affairs. "If it's determined that there has been a violation, the money will go into the asset forfeiture fund."

Stealing Dreams, Creating Nightmares (http://www.weeklyblitz.net/515/stealing-dreams-creating-nightmares): It's what government does.


From shutting down bars for allowing smoking to harassing delivery men for bringing biscuits to your home, there is no shortage of stories of over reaching government changing the dreams of hard working folk into nightmarish scenarios. Most of these licensing and regulation stories have nothing to do with keeping the public safe and everything to do with legalized extortion.

wizardwatson
11-22-2011, 03:58 PM
Don't worry Rafael, there's plenty of fish in the sea. :D

But seriously, "federal fishery enforcement agents"?

This tuna is getting more due-process than Anwar al-Awlaki.

ctiger2
11-22-2011, 04:50 PM
However, federal fishery enforcement agents took control of the behemoth when the boat returned to port.

Who made federal fishery agents aware of this so they greeted them at the port? That's part of the problem.

Johnny Appleseed
11-22-2011, 04:53 PM
The campaign should use this come time to face Obombya and say this is how he wants to help small business.

That fish would have made everyone working there a nice Christmas bonus

WarNoMore
11-22-2011, 05:05 PM
Damn, what a bunch of crooks.

odamn
11-22-2011, 05:16 PM
B S The fisherman knew he couldn't keep a tuna caught in a net.
He should have cut the net and let it go ASAP.
He's not fooling me ... you don't accidently catch a Tuna Bottom fishing.
Nice try.

Carole
11-22-2011, 05:35 PM
We have way too much government. :(


Rafael says he has meticulously prepared for a giant catch like this, purchasing 15 tuna permits over the past four years for his groundfish boats. He even immediately called a "bluefin tuna hot line" (yes, such things exist) to report his catch. "I wanted to sell the fish while it was fresh instead of letting it age on the boat," he said. "It was a beautiful fish."

odamn
11-22-2011, 05:51 PM
[QUOTE=wizardwatson;3770414]Don't worry Rafael, there's plenty of fish in the sea. :D

But seriously, "federal fishery enforcement agents"?


Yeah, Seriously.
I live in Florida. If the net ban wasn't enforced, there wouldn't be ANY fish.
When it comes to the wildlife and fisheries there needs to be strict laws and enforcement.

wizardwatson
11-22-2011, 05:54 PM
[QUOTE=wizardwatson;3770414]Don't worry Rafael, there's plenty of fish in the sea. :D

But seriously, "federal fishery enforcement agents"?


Yeah, Seriously.
I live in Florida. If the net ban wasn't enforced, there wouldn't be ANY fish.
When it comes to the wildlife and fisheries there needs to be strict laws and enforcement.

Never thought of overfishing/gaming problems. Good to know. I guess wherever you have any kind of public areas that can't really be feasibly privatized you would need some regulation.

But I don't think this is something that needs to exist on the federal level.

Happy Fishing
11-22-2011, 10:34 PM
Why wasn't this enforced by the state Fish and Game Commission?

Federal fishery enforcement agents? You mean the UN?

Philhelm
11-23-2011, 08:41 AM
B S The fisherman knew he couldn't keep a tuna caught in a net.
He should have cut the net and let it go ASAP.
He's not fooling me ... you don't accidently catch a Tuna Bottom fishing.
Nice try.

Why shouldn't he be allowed, or rather, not impeded (as the government does not give rights) from catching a tuna?

Philhelm
11-23-2011, 08:43 AM
This guy was certainly...cod-blocked. So, let me get this straight. An 800 pound tuna is worth immediate attention, while a call-in about the Underwear Bomber is ignored. Gotcha. In any case, I'm sick of our government being so masterful at petty tyrannies. It's like death from a thousand papercuts.

Diurdi
11-23-2011, 08:54 AM
Well atleast the bureaucracy has the decency to sell the Tuna and put the proceeds into an account while this is being resolved. The typical government way would've been to keep the Tuna in some warehouse until the case is resolved - meaning society loses out on about $400K of value.

Anyway, fishing is an issue that is conflicting, because it's prone to Tragedy of The commons and it cannot be fixed through property rights. Thus government intervention can be desirable.

brushfire
11-23-2011, 08:59 AM
The weatherman took my fish.

jtstellar
11-23-2011, 10:16 AM
Well atleast the bureaucracy has the decency to sell the Tuna and put the proceeds into an account while this is being resolved. The typical government way would've been to keep the Tuna in some warehouse until the case is resolved - meaning society loses out on about $400K of value.

Anyway, fishing is an issue that is conflicting, because it's prone to Tragedy of The commons and it cannot be fixed through property rights. Thus government intervention can be desirable.

well ya how else they gonna get a darn dime if they let it rot

win lose is better than lose lose

Wesker1982
11-23-2011, 10:27 AM
I guess wherever you have any kind of public areas that can't really be feasibly privatized you would need some regulation.

There is no reason why property rights could not exist here. If you want to save animals, allow them to be owned. Tragedy of the commons...

Also see Walter Block on privatizing water:

"Why should we expect that there would be any better results from such “water socialism” than we have experienced from socialism on land?"

"My claim is that we have no warrant to believe that socialism, the absence of private property rights, is any more workable on land than on water; that it is time, it is long past time, to explore ways in which this institution can be applied to aqueous resources."

Water Privatization (http://mises.org/journals/scholar/waterprivate.pdf) by Walter Block. There is a lot more on this by him but I don't have time to look now.