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AuH20
11-21-2011, 02:35 PM
Hear no evil, speak no evil, say no evil.............Life is easier that way. :D

http://www.infowars.com/ows-website-bans-alex-jones-%E2%80%9Cconspiracy-theories%E2%80%9D/

acptulsa
11-21-2011, 02:36 PM
And no doubt they all conspired to define what's 'conspiratorial', too...

PastaRocket848
11-21-2011, 02:39 PM
good. they should do the same here.

EDIT: read the article... i love how Mr. Jones refers to himself, David Icke, and the like as the "alternative media". LOL. that is like calling fundamentalist religion "alternative science". he's a profiteering purveyor of bullshit to gullible people. "alternative media" lol. more like alternative reality.

Becker
11-21-2011, 02:40 PM
good. they should do the same here.

I think they do to an extent. Obviously not all conspiracy theories are equal.

acptulsa
11-21-2011, 02:41 PM
good. they should do the same here.

Snort.

They might as well just close it down, at that point. If we didn't talk about how 'they' conspire, we wouldn't have much to talk about at all. And if we didn't conspire, we'd have never gotten anything done.

Nate-ForLiberty
11-21-2011, 02:42 PM
Occupy Occupy Wall Street!


*this is actually a good opportunity for the likes of Luke Rudkowski and Alex Jones.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2011, 02:42 PM
good. they should do the same here.

Like that Kwazy Konspiracy that the Fed is a private banking consortium?

AuH20
11-21-2011, 02:42 PM
And no doubt they all conspired to define what's 'conspiratorial', too...

My favorite sentence from the moderating policies:

Fascist propaganda (including any attempt to spam these four people again), will be treated with the similar actions.

Are they even aware of what the word means?

PastaRocket848
11-21-2011, 02:44 PM
Like that Kwazy Konspiracy that the Fed is a private banking consortium?

that is not a conspiracy. that is a fact, well known and documented and verifiable. unfortunately, many people seem to have a hard time discerning between the two.

PastaRocket848
11-21-2011, 02:46 PM
My favorite sentence from the moderating policies:

Fascist propaganda (including any attempt to spam these four people again), will be treated with the similar actions.

Are they even aware of what the word means?

they definitely are, they just think that anyone who is unwilling to raise taxes on corporations is a "fascist". their understanding of current events and who is in bed with who and to what extent, however, is severely lacking.

dannno
11-21-2011, 02:46 PM
They should definitely take down this mural at OccupyLA then :rolleyes:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2gskeiw.jpg

acptulsa
11-21-2011, 02:47 PM
Fascist propaganda...

Are they even aware of what the word means?

I doubt it. I expect their definition is more pliable and stretchable than a rubber band, though. I imagine they can make it fit whatever they want it to fit.

dannno
11-21-2011, 02:48 PM
they definitely are, they just think that anyone who is unwilling to raise taxes on corporations is a "fascist". their understanding of current events and who is in bed with who and to what extent, however, is severely lacking.

Bull fucking shit.

This was THE banner they had up at my local occupy group the other night while 50 people awaited to be arrested. Stop spreading your god damn lies.

http://img.ie/62101.jpg


I was there last week and counted over 20 signs, and only ONE sign in the whole pack referred to ANYTHING remotely socialist.

You're such an armchair/youtube jockey when it comes to this, try getting outside sometime.

PastaRocket848
11-21-2011, 02:48 PM
the fed != conspiracy. the fed is something that SHOULD have to be achieved through backroom conspiring of powerful elites, but it isn't. it is our system, codified into law. no one debates who owns the fed, or who holds the influence. it makes for a great story, one that may actually sound like a conspiracy theory, but it isn't one. it is the actual state of affairs. and that is sad.

PastaRocket848
11-21-2011, 02:49 PM
Bull fucking shit.

This was THE banner they had up at my local occupy group the other night while 50 people awaited to be arrested. Stop spreading your god damn lies.

http://img.ie/62101.jpg


I was there last week and counted over 20 signs, and only ONE sign in the whole pack referred to ANYTHING remotely socialist.

You're such an armchair/youtube jockey when it comes to this, try getting outside sometime.

ok? what the hell does that banner have to do with.... anything?

EDIT: and i love "mr. mom's basement" 27,000 posts over here calling me an armchair youtube jockey lol. you spend more time on these forums typing than any normal, socially well adjusted 5 people should combined.

Ronulus
11-21-2011, 02:53 PM
Bull fucking shit.

This was THE banner they had up at my local occupy group the other night while 50 people awaited to be arrested. Stop spreading your god damn lies.

http://img.ie/62101.jpg


I was there last week and counted over 20 signs, and only ONE sign in the whole pack referred to ANYTHING remotely socialist.

You're such an armchair/youtube jockey when it comes to this, try getting outside sometime.

Remember not to lump your local Occupy movement with all of them either.

dannno
11-21-2011, 02:53 PM
ok? what the hell does that banner have to do with.... anything?

You said that EVERYBODY at these occupy protests thinks that if you don't want to raise taxes on corporations you are fascist.. you think these people are all pulling for Obama.. yet when they have a sign up that says they don't even believe in our current system, you ignore it like it doesn't exist and won't deal with the real issues!

You even dodged on your comment above about the fed.. If they have a picture of a Federal Reserve bank with octopus arms reaching everywhere then THEY ARE REFERRING TO A GOD DAMN FEDERAL RESERVE conspiracy. Really, how hard is this shit to grasp??

Anti Federalist
11-21-2011, 02:55 PM
that is not a conspiracy. that is a fact, well known and documented and verifiable. unfortunately, many people seem to have a hard time discerning between the two.

The only way to document, verify and know, if a conspiracy has any truth to it, is to dig, probe and question.

Thirty years ago, people that talked about the Fed, currency devaluation, the CFR, and a whole host of similar issues, were roundly denounced as nuts and "conspiracy theorists".

Is every theory true? Of course not, but how would you know that if you shut down any discussion of it?

dannno
11-21-2011, 02:56 PM
Remember not to lump your local Occupy movement with all of them either.

I've been to at least 5 different occupies in various cities in CA, they all have the same tone, NONE of them have the tone of what I've seen at least in propaganda form from the media from some of the co-opted east coast occupies. I haven't seen ONE pro-Obama anything, I RARELY if ever see ANYTHING promoting socialism.. So when I come on here and see all of this bullcrap being spewed constantly by people who either haven't been or haven't spent any significant amount of time at these protests it just looks retarded to me.

specsaregood
11-21-2011, 02:58 PM
Thirty years ago, people that talked about the Fed, currency devaluation, the CFR, and a whole host of similar issues, were roundly denounced as nuts and "conspiracy theorists".


Thirty years ago my ass; 4.5 years ago.

Ronulus
11-21-2011, 02:58 PM
Is every theory true? Of course not, but how would you know that if you shut down any discussion of it?

2+2=5

PastaRocket848
11-21-2011, 02:59 PM
The only way to document, verify and know, if a conspiracy has any truth to it, is to dig, probe and question.

Thirty years ago, people that talked about the Fed, currency devaluation, the CFR, and a whole host of similar issues, were roundly denounced as nuts and "conspiracy theorists".

Is every theory true? Of course not, but how would you know that if you shut down any discussion of it?

no, the fed was never considered anything other than what it is. a banking cartel. the people knew this at the time of the passing of the reserve act, hence why it had to be done right before a recess when no one was looking. there has never been any debate over the influence, role, function, or makeup of the fed. it just is what it is. just because it is a great story with elements of elitism and abuse of power doesn't mean it is a conspiracy theory! there has never been anything hidden or covered up about it. read the articles from 1910-1911 leading up to the passage of the act. it was all out there in the open.

EDIT: when i say there was "no debate over the role..." etc.. i don't mean no one has debated what their role should be (mandates and what not), i mean that no one debates the "conspiratorial" parts, like who owns it, how much influence they have, etc.

EDIT AGAIN: and yes, anyone who thinks the CFR is anything other than an influential foreign policy thinktank is an idiot.

low preference guy
11-21-2011, 03:00 PM
I've been to at least 5 different occupies in various cities in CA, they all have the same tone, NONE of them have the tone of what I've seen at least in propaganda form from the media from some of the co-opted east coast occupies.

Don't lump the 5 OWS protests you saw with the rest.

PastaRocket848
11-21-2011, 03:04 PM
You said that EVERYBODY at these occupy protests thinks that if you don't want to raise taxes on corporations you are fascist.. you think these people are all pulling for Obama.. yet when they have a sign up that says they don't even believe in our current system, you ignore it like it doesn't exist and won't deal with the real issues!

You even dodged on your comment above about the fed.. If they have a picture of a Federal Reserve bank with octopus arms reaching everywhere then THEY ARE REFERRING TO A GOD DAMN FEDERAL RESERVE conspiracy. Really, how hard is this shit to grasp??

you're creating a conspiracy where there isn't one. they're not referring to a conspiracy. they're referring to the fed. shady operation != conspiracy. how many times must we go over this?

dannno
11-21-2011, 03:06 PM
Don't lump the 5 OWS protests you saw with the rest.

Saw?? I've been to/participated in dozens of protests, at 5 different cities.

How many protests/cities have you been to?

My point is that I come on here and see people talking a bunch of bullshit about how all the occupy protests are full of people trying to re-elect obama and promote wealth redistribution within the current system when I don't see ANYTHING like that up and down the west coast.

dannno
11-21-2011, 03:08 PM
you're creating a conspiracy where there isn't one. they're not referring to a conspiracy. they're referring to the fed. shady operation != conspiracy. how many times must we go over this?

I don't disagree with the fact that the "conspiracy theory" is out in the open, I think 9/11 being an inside job is out in the open for anybody who wants to discover it to see if they do some simple research, but the fact that the mainstream media doesn't discuss the truth and most people don't know it makes it a conspiracy theory in most people's eyes.

I'm just living in reality.

Pizzo
11-21-2011, 03:33 PM
Just saw these tweets from Luke Rudkowski of We Are Change NYC. He has been down at Zucotti park since day 1 I believe.

ummm who run's the http://t.co/eDzJOIPz website someone give me a name and face their actions are outrageous and not what #ows should be

nickbabs @RealAlexJones its complete bullshit what that website did and they where told to give up the url to #ows and the person said no

http://t.co/eDzJOIPz is a private website run by someone who would not give it to the G.A when the G.A voted 4 it

The shortened url's link to occupywallst.org

acptulsa
11-21-2011, 03:48 PM
no, the fed was never considered anything other than what it is. a banking cartel. the people knew this at the time of the passing of the reserve act, hence why it had to be done right before a recess when no one was looking. there has never been any debate over the influence, role, function, or makeup of the fed. it just is what it is. just because it is a great story with elements of elitism and abuse of power doesn't mean it is a conspiracy theory! there has never been anything hidden or covered up about it. read the articles from 1910-1911 leading up to the passage of the act. it was all out there in the open.

Sure. That's why they named it 'Federal Reserve' even though it isn't federal and has no reserves. Just to be open, honest and above board.

Miss Annie
11-21-2011, 03:52 PM
These OWS threads are such a challenge! It is no easy feat for a woman to keep her mouth shut ( or sit on her hands! ) LOL!

pcosmar
11-21-2011, 03:54 PM
Is this all based on some random forum post that some idiot read and is spreading around as another Official Statement?

Anti Federalist
11-21-2011, 04:00 PM
EDIT AGAIN: and yes, anyone who thinks the CFR is anything other than an influential foreign policy thinktank is an idiot.

What do you say about MKULTRA?

Aratus
11-21-2011, 04:01 PM
the guy in d.c who shot at the white house is now inside a court case for very obvious reasons and he seems to have acted out after being in NYC...

Carole
11-21-2011, 04:02 PM
that is not a conspiracy. that is a fact, well known and documented and verifiable. unfortunately, many people seem to have a hard time discerning between the two.

con•spir•a•cy (k€n spir¿€ sÈ) pl. -cies
n.
1 a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason
2 the plan agreed on; plot
3 the group taking part in such a plan
4 a combining or working together [the conspiracy of events]
SYN. PLOT

It is still a conspirary after all because they do hide much behind the veil of secrecy from the general public. They do it mostly through obfuscation.

Only, however, because the public allows it.

AuH20
11-21-2011, 04:06 PM
no, the fed was never considered anything other than what it is. a banking cartel. the people knew this at the time of the passing of the reserve act, hence why it had to be done right before a recess when no one was looking. there has never been any debate over the influence, role, function, or makeup of the fed. it just is what it is. just because it is a great story with elements of elitism and abuse of power doesn't mean it is a conspiracy theory! there has never been anything hidden or covered up about it. read the articles from 1910-1911 leading up to the passage of the act. it was all out there in the open.

EDIT: when i say there was "no debate over the role..." etc.. i don't mean no one has debated what their role should be (mandates and what not), i mean that no one debates the "conspiratorial" parts, like who owns it, how much influence they have, etc.

EDIT AGAIN: and yes, anyone who thinks the CFR is anything other than an influential foreign policy thinktank is an idiot.

Colonel House and Walter Lippmann would disagree with you if they were still alive. The CFR is the unparalleled hub of opportunity in the western world. If you're an industrialist who wants access to country X's market, you will do the bidding of the CFR's inner circle. It works inside-out with the benefits it provides. There is no conspiracy in the manner which it operates. However, when you start to delve into who dictates the agenda, that's where it gets cloudy.

Anti Federalist
11-21-2011, 04:10 PM
Strange how people deny the very existence of conspiracies when there are thousands of people in jail for "conspiracy".



con•spir•a•cy (k€n spir¿€ sÈ) pl. -cies
n.
1 a planning and acting together secretly, esp. for an unlawful or harmful purpose, such as murder or treason
2 the plan agreed on; plot
3 the group taking part in such a plan
4 a combining or working together [the conspiracy of events]
SYN. PLOT

It is still a conspirary after all because they do hide much behind the veil of secrecy from the general public. They do it mostly through obfuscation.

Only, however, because the public allows it.

FrankRep
11-21-2011, 04:18 PM
good. they should do the same here.
Should we ban the Federal Reserve conspiracy theory?

FrankRep
11-21-2011, 04:22 PM
EDIT AGAIN: and yes, anyone who thinks the CFR is anything other than an influential foreign policy thinktank is an idiot.

Is Ron Paul an Idiot?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NE61lNqsxLU



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ixlT_tmocg

LibertyEagle
11-21-2011, 04:25 PM
the fed != conspiracy. the fed is something that SHOULD have to be achieved through backroom conspiring of powerful elites, but it isn't. it is our system, codified into law. no one debates who owns the fed, or who holds the influence. it makes for a great story, one that may actually sound like a conspiracy theory, but it isn't one. it is the actual state of affairs. and that is sad.

How do you think it was created in the first place? Do you realize who wrote it? Ever heard of Jekyll island? This was a conspiracy. That is a fact. Here is the definition of conspiracy. "An evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons; plot." Conspiracies happen all day long.

You are confusing conspiracy and conspiracy theory.

specsaregood
11-21-2011, 04:29 PM
You are confusing conspiracy and conspiracy theory.

You give her way too much credit.

LibertyEagle
11-21-2011, 04:30 PM
no, the fed was never considered anything other than what it is. a banking cartel. the people knew this at the time of the passing of the reserve act, hence why it had to be done right before a recess when no one was looking.
You just defined a conspiracy.


there has never been any debate over the influence, role, function, or makeup of the fed. it just is what it is. just because it is a great story with elements of elitism and abuse of power doesn't mean it is a conspiracy theory! there has never been anything hidden or covered up about it. read the articles from 1910-1911 leading up to the passage of the act. it was all out there in the open.
Oh yes, there was. To talk about the FED, really before Paul ran for President in '08, was to be considered a conspiracy theorist.


EDIT: when i say there was "no debate over the role..." etc.. i don't mean no one has debated what their role should be (mandates and what not), i mean that no one debates the "conspiratorial" parts, like who owns it, how much influence they have, etc.

EDIT AGAIN: and yes, anyone who thinks the CFR is anything other than an influential foreign policy thinktank is an idiot.
You are being very naive and are also not doing your homework. I suggest you read, "Shadows of Power" by James Perloff. That would be a great place to start. The CFR is who gives our government their marching orders with regard to foreign policy. Even Hillary has flat out admitted it.

http://www.amazon.com/Shadows-Power-Council-Relations-American/dp/0882791346

dannno
11-21-2011, 04:34 PM
You give her way too much credit.

lol, I guess one way to make everybody think ur a dude on a forum is to put the word "rocket" in your title :D

AGRP
11-21-2011, 04:35 PM
the fed != conspiracy. the fed is something that SHOULD have to be achieved through backroom conspiring of powerful elites, but it isn't. it is our system, codified into law. no one debates who owns the fed, or who holds the influence. it makes for a great story, one that may actually sound like a conspiracy theory, but it isn't one. it is the actual state of affairs. and that is sad.

The Federal Reserve Act was never ratified by the states.

pcosmar
11-21-2011, 04:36 PM
Some history of Conspiracy. No Theory. historical reference.

http://www.constitution.org/col/cuddy_nwo.htm

specsaregood
11-21-2011, 04:38 PM
You are being very naive and are also not doing your homework. I suggest you read, "Shadows of Power" by James Perloff. That would be a great place to start. The CFR is who gives our government their marching orders with regard to foreign policy. Even Hillary has flat out admitted it.
http://www.amazon.com/Shadows-Power-Council-Relations-American/dp/0882791346

such a great book, eye-opening and completely backed up with footnotes and sources.

Philhelm
11-21-2011, 04:47 PM
If I see something, I'm going to say something. Oh wait...what did I just say?

LibertyEagle
11-21-2011, 04:51 PM
Look, PastaRocket, there surely are some crazy conspiracy theories out there. I agree. What you have to do is to learn to discern between what is a real conspiracy, with facts to back it up and what is not. But, to write off everything that isn't accepted by the general public as being nutty, is really doing a disservice to yourself and your country.

I understand that this is upsetting, but unfortunately it is reality.

Miss Annie
11-21-2011, 05:09 PM
Look, PastaRocket, there surely are some crazy conspiracy theories out there. I agree. What you have to do is to learn to discern between what is a real conspiracy, with facts to back it up and what is not. But, to write off everything that isn't accepted by the general public as being nutty, is really doing a disservice to yourself and your country.

I understand that this is upsetting, but unfortunately it is reality.

Boy, you should have seen how upset I was when I first swallowed that red pill! I think I left a long thread in the rant section. It is true though. The conspiracies are correct, and to tell you the truth... the things mentioned here are just the tip of the ice berg. I will promise you this though, the more you learn, the more of fire you will become for Ron Paul. You will see that there is just no other option. You will see that the integrity and dignity left is just at spartan levels. Ron Paul is the ONLY one who can turn this mess around. I still find it utterly amazing that our entire future lies in this man's hands who is the epitome of humility and grace. But is that not the irony of it all?
Do your research and when you need to vent, vent. Most people here understand how disturbing it all really is. And have a big fat hug too! :)

jtstellar
11-21-2011, 10:13 PM
Like that Kwazy Konspiracy that the Fed is a private banking consortium?


christ.. how many times do you have to be wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TIia1jc0TQ&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

PaulConventionWV
11-21-2011, 11:04 PM
good. they should do the same here.

EDIT: read the article... i love how Mr. Jones refers to himself, David Icke, and the like as the "alternative media". LOL. that is like calling fundamentalist religion "alternative science". he's a profiteering purveyor of bullshit to gullible people. "alternative media" lol. more like alternative reality.

Wow, you're a real douche bag.

PaulConventionWV
11-21-2011, 11:19 PM
the fed != conspiracy. the fed is something that SHOULD have to be achieved through backroom conspiring of powerful elites, but it isn't. it is our system, codified into law. no one debates who owns the fed, or who holds the influence. it makes for a great story, one that may actually sound like a conspiracy theory, but it isn't one. it is the actual state of affairs. and that is sad.

That's a lot of word dodging to avoid acknowledging that it's a conspiracy. Perhaps you don't understand the word "conspiracy." It doesn't mean fictional. It doesn't mean conjecture. It can be real and factual, and this case, it is. Face it, the fed is a conspiracy. It was made by the elite for the elite. The words you used to avoid using that term made absolutely no sense. You are trying too hard.

Carehn
11-21-2011, 11:27 PM
I have a conspiracy theory. I think that government is simply organized crime. I won't go into the details but im sure about it.

Carehn
11-21-2011, 11:29 PM
That's a lot of word dodging to avoid acknowledging that it's a conspiracy. Perhaps you don't understand the word "conspiracy." It doesn't mean fictional. It doesn't mean conjecture. It can be real and factual, and this case, it is. Face it, the fed is a conspiracy. It was made by the elite for the elite. The words you used to avoid using that term made absolutely no sense. You are trying too hard.
con·spir·a·cy (kn-spîr-s)
n. pl. con·spir·a·cies
1. An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
2. A group of conspirators.
3. Law An agreement between two or more persons to commit a crime or accomplish a legal purpose through illegal action.
4. A joining or acting together, as if by sinister design: a conspiracy of wind and tide that devastated coastal areas.

Carehn
11-21-2011, 11:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB9cLr7OR-A&feature=related

Anti Federalist
11-22-2011, 12:19 AM
christ.. how many times do you have to be wrong

Ok, this is a new angle.

I can't watch video where I am, but I appear to be ill-informed.

The Fed is NOT a private banking cartel?

I'm all ears...

John F Kennedy III
11-22-2011, 12:31 AM
good. they should do the same here.

EDIT: read the article... i love how Mr. Jones refers to himself, David Icke, and the like as the "alternative media". LOL. that is like calling fundamentalist religion "alternative science". he's a profiteering purveyor of bullshit to gullible people. "alternative media" lol. more like alternative reality.

Lol. You spew lies. Welcome to my ignore list.

jdmyprez_deo_vindice
11-22-2011, 12:32 AM
Ok, this is a new angle.

I can't watch video where I am, but I appear to be ill-informed.

The Fed is NOT a private banking cartel?

I'm all ears...

News to me as well.

John F Kennedy III
11-22-2011, 01:01 AM
Boy, you should have seen how upset I was when I first swallowed that red pill! I think I left a long thread in the rant section. It is true though. The conspiracies are correct, and to tell you the truth... the things mentioned here are just the tip of the ice berg. I will promise you this though, the more you learn, the more of fire you will become for Ron Paul. You will see that there is just no other option. You will see that the integrity and dignity left is just at spartan levels. Ron Paul is the ONLY one who can turn this mess around. I still find it utterly amazing that our entire future lies in this man's hands who is the epitome of humility and grace. But is that not the irony of it all?
Do your research and when you need to vent, vent. Most people here understand how disturbing it all really is. And have a big fat hug too! :)

Gigantic high five.

NorfolkPCSolutions
11-22-2011, 01:10 AM
What do you say about MKULTRA?

lol, you mean this? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA)

"Project MKULTRA, or MK-ULTRA, was the code name for a covert, illegal CIA human experimentation program, run by the CIA's Office of Scientific Intelligence. This official U.S. government program began in the early 1950s, continuing at least through the late 1960s, and it used U.S. and Canadian citizens as its test subjects.

In 1977, a Freedom Of Information Act request uncovered a cache of 20,000 documents[7] relating to project MKULTRA, which led to Senate hearings later that same year.[2] In recent times most information regarding MKULTRA has been officially declassified."


Sometimes conspiracy theory is conspiracy fact.

Revolution9
11-22-2011, 05:30 AM
their understanding of current events and who is in bed with who and to what extent, however, is severely lacking.

Yours too quite apparently.

Rev9

Revolution9
11-22-2011, 05:33 AM
the fed != conspiracy. the fed is something that SHOULD have to be achieved through backroom conspiring of powerful elites, but it isn't. it is our system, codified into law. no one debates who owns the fed, or who holds the influence. it makes for a great story, one that may actually sound like a conspiracy theory, but it isn't one. it is the actual state of affairs. and that is sad.

Yer so frakkin' smart. Tell us who owns the Fed then.

Heh. I am awaiting the answer to this from captain autoblither here. It will be good. It will either trash all its previous rhetoric or look like a dumb ass.

Rev9

Revolution9
11-22-2011, 05:35 AM
Lol. You spew lies. Welcome to my ignore list.

Don't do that. Smack him around for his ignorance and get yer chops in shape. It is on autoblither and hasn't a leg to stand on. It is fighting cognitive dissonance bigtime.

HTH;)
Rev9

jtstellar
11-22-2011, 07:55 AM
Ok, this is a new angle.

I can't watch video where I am, but I appear to be ill-informed.

The Fed is NOT a private banking cartel?

I'm all ears...

get to a place where you can.. given the rapid turnover rate of issues today, to think you can't keep yourself updated with educational video feeds is ridiculous. spending something like an hour listening to each of this movement's top brains via daily video updates on the most contemporary issues is almost a daily must task for me. everyone needs to do a part of his due, not just always ask for synopsis from other members. that is grossly inefficient.

jtstellar
11-22-2011, 07:58 AM
News to me as well.

and libertarianism was probably news to you just 3 years ago. what's your point.

jtstellar
11-22-2011, 08:02 AM
Yer so frakkin' smart. Tell us who owns the Fed then.

Heh. I am awaiting the answer to this from captain autoblither here. It will be good. It will either trash all its previous rhetoric or look like a dumb ass.

Rev9

EVERY libertarian/conservative top brain has taken the pain to explain to people it is not 'private' in a conventional sense.. this includes ron paul, tom woods and many many others.. do people just have such short attention span, hate reading, or hate watching any video over 3 minutes long this much?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TIia1jc0TQ&feature=player_embedded

pcosmar
11-22-2011, 08:10 AM
Ok, this is a new angle.

I can't watch video where I am, but I appear to be ill-informed.

The Fed is NOT a private banking cartel?

I'm all ears...

It's Stefan Molyneux.
I generally discard his stuff without bothering anymore. I have listened to some of his spew.

The Federal Reserve is a Rothschild Creation. (as is the entire World Banking system).

Original_Intent
11-22-2011, 08:11 AM
I'd say OWS bans conspiracy threads because they don;t want anyone informing their useful idiots of the fate of the brownshirts, the bolsheviks, and the agrarian reformers. If they actually achieve "regime change" the new regime will take advantage of knowing the names and locations of all the malcontent activists.

Oh, and pastarocket, not to pile on, but please educate yourself a bit before you open your yap. You are seriously embarassing yourself here, you don;t even know what the word conspiracy means, you seem to think it inherently means false...wow, the programming has taken an exceptionally strong hold on you.

Yes there are incorrect conspiracy theories out there, some are even laughably ridiculous. But your concept that "conspiracy" means "untrue" is equally embarassing and laughable. Not trying to make fun of you, and not trying to put you down, but you need to do yourself a favor and take the red pill/put on the sunglasses, etc.

We are RULED by conspiracists, the globe is completely under the shadow of conspiracy. Yeah, just like Neo, once you understand that your first reaction is to want to fall on your knees and puke your guts out, and for me that feeling was pretty much constant for 6 months and I still get bouts of it, 25 years after taking my own red pill.

But I would never never want to go back to being ignorant, no matter how much happier I might have been. I suspect you are at the point where you are starting to see how things really are, and your mind is recoiling in horror and revulsion at how completely screwed we are and how hopeless things appear. Soldier on, there IS light at the end of that tunnel, and it is NOT an oncoming train.

specsaregood
11-22-2011, 08:30 AM
EVERY libertarian/conservative top brain has taken the pain to explain to people it is not 'private' in a conventional sense.. this includes ron paul, tom woods and many many others.. do people just have such short attention span, hate reading, or hate watching any video over 3 minutes long this much?

Oh so it isn't "private" in a "conventional" sense. Sounds like a way of admitting that it is indeed private. Way to say a whole lot of nothing pal.

jtstellar
11-22-2011, 09:17 AM
It's Stefan Molyneux.
I generally discard his stuff without bothering anymore. I have listened to some of his spew.

The Federal Reserve is a Rothschild Creation. (as is the entire World Banking system).

the reason i've been sharing some of stephen's videos is not because i particularly like his views over others, but because i assume most people have watched 90% of what ron paul, tom woods, lew rockwell etc had to say. Apparently i am wrong. i will be posting more videos i assumed to be of kindergarten level knowledge, based on the level of a typical non-hypocritical, informed rp supporter from now on. using such terms as 'private enterprise' opens up the free/private market vulnerable to criticism and misplaced blames that should have been on crony capitalism and shifts focus away from government dictatorial powers. tom woods and ron paul share the same sentiment as stephen on this issue of federal reserve being sanctioned by law and therefore not a private entity. do i need to go through the pain of pulling up these ron paul 101 videos for you?

jtstellar
11-22-2011, 09:18 AM
Oh so it isn't "private" in a "conventional" sense. Sounds like a way of admitting that it is indeed private. Way to say a whole lot of nothing pal.

ron paul reiterated the same sentiment as i stated. i could care less what it sounds like to you.

pcosmar
11-22-2011, 09:59 AM
ron paul reiterated the same sentiment as i stated. i could care less what it sounds like to you.

Well then,, you are arguing apples and oranges. The simple fact is that there is NO FREE MARKET.
That is an idealistic fantasy. (one that I would love to see)
presently there is no private business in the "free market" sense.
Everything is controlled by the government and the Banking system.

Virtually all banking is run and controlled by the Rothschild banking system, and since they also own or control the Media, the schools, and the Election process (both parties) I suppose you could say THEY ARE THE GOVERNMENT.

For the purpose of the argument put forward they are a Private Bank, that has taken control of the system for their own ends.

Becker
11-22-2011, 02:18 PM
Hilarious hypocrisy, FrankRep (one of the most prominent and respected posters here) starts out by posting Alex Jones articles which were the first to demonize and dismiss OWS (before they've said anything at all about Ron Paul, libertarians or Federal Reserve), with conspiracy theories linking them to globalists, communists and now people are surprised they don't like dialogue relating to Alex Jones and conspiracies?

Were they supposed to welcome criticism and trolling from the exact people who demonized their movement?