MN townt to replace police with private security force

[ZanZibar]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-11-14/police-private-security-foley/51194090/1?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=NetvibesAfter&mid=530763

[pcosmar]

Deja vu

http://publicintelligence.net/american-police-force/
http://www.publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/afp.jpg

[Demigod]

Deja vu

http://publicintelligence.net/american-police-force/
http://www.publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/afp.jpg

Is this a real company cause if it is this guy is trolling you without mercy.

[specsaregood]

This actually sounds like a real positive to me!
FTA:


Swanson wrote that private security employees may carry a firearm but can use it only in self-defense. Private guards do not have the authority to make arrests other than citizens' arrests, cannot pursue fleeing suspects, make DWI arrests or even traffic stops. There's also the issue of whether self-incriminating statements or evidence taken from a suspect by a security officer could be used in court, she wrote.

What is wrong with that?

[pcosmar]

Is this a real company cause if it is this guy is trolling you without mercy.

Geeze,
ya'all are new.
Google- Hardin Mt.
Google-American Police Force

Then you can look for some very old threads that thoroughly investigate both,, and that Odd/Mysterious Prison built in Hardin.
And the Companies and people behind it and other Private Prisons.

Thorough research should not take you more than a week..unless you're slow.

[pcosmar]

This actually sounds like a real positive to me!
FTA:


What is wrong with that?

Why is it even necessary.
Seems like a huge waste of money. If businesses need security,, let them hire security privately.

Why should non-business owners be responsible for it?
Why should Police even exist?
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

[specsaregood]

Why is it even necessary.
Seems like a huge waste of money. If businesses need security,, let them hire security privately.

Why should non-business owners be responsible for it?
Why should Police even exist?
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

Fair enough; but does it not seem like a step in the right direction?

[pcosmar]

Fair enough; but does it not seem like a step in the right direction?

Eliminating the City Police was a step in the right direction. This looks like a step in the wrong direction.
Is the City going to be Liable when one of these hired "security" violates the rights of a citizen?
Who is Liable for their actions?

[specsaregood]

Eliminating the City Police was a step in the right direction. This looks like a step in the wrong direction.
Is the City going to be Liable when one of these hired "security" violates the rights of a citizen?
Who is Liable for their actions?

Seeing as they are only capable of making "citizens arrests" and acting in self defense, then I'd say the security people themselves.

[Danke]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2011-11-14/police-private-security-foley/51194090/1?csp=34news&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+usatoday-NewsTopStories+%28News+-+Top+Stories%29&utm_content=NetvibesAfter&mid=530763

Is there another source for this story besides USA Today?

[pcosmar]

Is there another source for this story besides USA Today?
LOL


Seeing as they are only capable of making "citizens arrests" and acting in self defense, then I'd say the security people themselves.

Both things that Common People can also do.
So why the wasted expense of hiring them?

[TheDunk]

Seems like a step in the right direction. Less police oppression is a good thing. This private force would only be a defensive and reactionary force it seems. I don't know the laws there but I would assume if legal for one of us non-priveleged class to intervene in a violent crime in progress the same could be said for these security people. If illegal to use deadly force to intervene in a violent crime for us mundanes, then whatever law prohibits that should be repealed. That would solve the "useless" argument for these security guys and if CC/OC is popular it would eliminate any need for them at all... They already have county police who will come if there is a crime.

[Icymudpuppy]

If the city intends to use them to monitor public areas like Mall cops, I think that's an improvement over power hungry police. They are basically an armed witness and monitoring service. I'm neutral on this, but will be interested in hearing how it develops.

[Czolgosz]

This is good, people who can more easily found as a Defendent in court for violating another's rights. Ultimately decoupling the State from providing this service through robbery would he better.

[pcosmar]

I'm neutral on this, but will be interested in hearing how it develops.

I am more concerned with the Historical abuses by private police. Land Grabs, personal vendettas and such.
(Pinkertons)
The Golden Rule (he who has the gold makes the rules).

[donnay]

Deja vu

http://publicintelligence.net/american-police-force/
http://www.publicintelligence.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/afp.jpg

Yes this story is disturbing. Because mercenaries for hire is where this will ultimately go. That Hardin case was foreigners too!

Source:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/alert-alex-jones-live-from-hardin-montana-on-todays-show.html

[pcosmar]

Yes this story is disturbing. Because mercenaries for hire is where this will ultimately go. That Hardin case was foreigners too!

Wasn't that another story that was brought to light by Infowars?
They pushed it and did most of the initial investigative reporting, even if they didn't initially break it.

The story had connections from corrupt private prison systems through Interpol and the International Police Force.

[heavenlyboy34]

Why is it even necessary.
Seems like a huge waste of money. If businesses need security,, let them hire security privately.

Why should non-business owners be responsible for it?
Why should Police even exist?
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm
I agree with you and that article. However, nothing has stopped the regime (at any level) from violating the constitution in the past. I don't foresee the Constitutional/unConstitutional argument working anytime soon.

[pcosmar]

Want some fun thoughts,, ?

http://www.civilianpolice.com/


In support of the U. S. Department of State, Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs, CPI recruits, selects, trains, and deploys U. S. police officers to participate in international police development programs around the world. These civilian police (CIVPOL) programs are an important component of international peacekeeping missions. By joining the CPI Team, you are representing our country's ideals of tolerance, fairness, respect, and opportunity.

:(

[donnay]

Wasn't that another story that was brought to light by Infowars?
They pushed it and did most of the initial investigative reporting, even if they didn't initially break it.

The story had connections from corrupt private prison systems through Interpol and the International Police Force.

Yes, Jones got a call from a concerned citizen exposing this American Police Force--Jones personally went to Hardin, MT to expose it. He was the tip of the spear on this story, no doubt.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIxoTCYFZ-8&feature=player_embedded

http://www.prisonplanet.com/hardin-montana-may-be-staging-area-for-united-nations-civilian-police.html

[nobody's_hero]

I'm in the wait-and-see crowd. Privatization isn't wholly 'privatization' if you simply send your tax dollars to the company through government.

Flow of money:

Before: Taxpayer ----> Government -----> public officer salaries

Now: Taxpayer ----> government -----> private security company ------> officer salaries

Doesn't seem like a whole lot of difference here, save for the addition of another middle-man.

[BuddyRey]

The only thing I hate is that this "private" security force will be granted a contractual monopoly over the city, also enforcing whatever nanny laws they have on the books. And when the whole thing ends up in graft and corruption, people are going to say, "this is what happens when you let wildcat, laissez-faire competition go too far!" ::sigh:::

[Zippyjuan]

When I hear the term "private security force" the image of Blackwater comes to mind. The issue of accountablity arises too.

[aGameOfThrones]

So? The current police force is a private security force.

[bunklocoempire]

Why is it even necessary.
Seems like a huge waste of money. If businesses need security,, let them hire security privately.

Why should non-business owners be responsible for it?
Why should Police even exist?
http://www.constitution.org/lrev/roots/cops.htm

Damn straight.

+ rep.

Stealing someones money to give to another and calling it security is, and always will be, the issue.

My neighbors and myself could sure use some more on site security on our own properties, but no, our dollars are taken by force and given to someone else. In our own case, our $'s are taken 200 miles away and then a portion of it is sent back to be dispensed 22 miles away.:mad:


Bunkloco

[CaptainAmerica]

I don't believe in having this,but I also dont believe in having a police "force". There should be peace officers who only aid and assist in the event of an elderly or disabled person who needs help.Everything else should be left up to the private citizenry to arm and defend themselves.

[Czolgosz]

Somebody around has an interesting video about an anarchic type society whereby the people hire a security company to preserve their rights. Interesting vid, sorry I don't have the linky.