CSPAN 1 - Kucinich Tries to Impeach Cheney - Voting now on motion to table

[Razmear]

talking about it now on MSNBC

[kalami]

yeas and nays
142 78 democrats
28 164 republicans
so far

[freelance]

Looks like they may NOT table. That would mean an hour of debate.

BTW, this belongs in other.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Good! Will Ron Paul vote to impeach?

[Razmear]

They will not table, already enough votes, yeah i know it belongs somewhere else, but a vote could occur today on Cheney impeachment !!!

eb

[terlinguatx]

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[Ron Paul Fan]

78 Democrats like Cheney and the job he's doing.

[freelance]

Um, why did all the Republicans vote NOT to table? What the heck?

[ronpaulfan]

It won't be tabled. They received enough votes to discuss it (28 Republicans jumped on board).

[Syren123]

Holy smoke!
What a week. This is just awesome! Pretty much all my favorite things in the last 7 days:

Great Tonight Show & after party, raised $4 plus million in 24 hours, impeach Cheney...this is like my dream week.

[JMann]

Good! Will Ron Paul vote to impeach?

I pray to the gods that he doesn't if he still plans on winning the Republican nomination. The Republicans stepped in it by impeaching Cliton and now have to deal with that fall out. Impeachment should be used only in very serious circumstances not because you disagree with policy or a prez sexing an intern.

[Razmear]

Um, why did all the Republicans vote NOT to table? What the heck?

According to MSNBC the repubs want a vote so they can embarass the dems, hoping this backfires in their face.

Now the dems are trying to kill the res, wooses.

eb

[terlinguatx]

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[Ron Paul Fan]

Another vote!

[Salamando]

Kucinich is the man

[Razmear]

so Yea means it goes to comittee and dies on this vote?

[Twig]

Not sure, but I doubt it since most Democrats are voting for it.

[Drknows]

Kucinich is the man

Kucinich waited till he ran for president to impeach him. Still a good guy but you know this is just a stunt right?

[kylejack]

I pray to the gods that he doesn't if he still plans on winning the Republican nomination. The Republicans stepped in it by impeaching Cliton and now have to deal with that fall out. Impeachment should be used only in very serious circumstances not because you disagree with policy or a prez sexing an intern.
Its a little more than a disagreement on policy...Cheney and Addington have repeatedly skirted the law. Ron Paul voted a while back to cut off Executive Branch funding to Cheney's office after Cheney stated that his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch (something he said to prevent complying with publishing reports from his office).

[tekkierich]

Wow, good times

[kylejack]

Kucinich waited till he ran for president to impeach him. Still a good guy but you know this is just a stunt right?
The other way around: the presidential run is a stunt to get his legislation and impeachment bill moving. Very noble of him.

[Trassin]

They were talking about it on CNN. They were saying that some of the republicans are hoping to use this to embarrass some of the democrats because of the exact charges.

They just repeated close to the same thing on C-Span.

[Recovering Socialist]

78 Democrats like Cheney and the job he's doing.

LOL!

[Trassin]

They are saying this is a procedural vote and that they will still have to do a referring vote to actually send it to the judiciary committee.

Does anyone know exactly what the point of this procedural vote is?

[Naraku]

I can support impeaching Cheney over Bush, though I think they should spend their time on something else, but this is at least an alternative to impeaching Bush.

[Drknows]

The other way around: the presidential run is a stunt to get his legislation and impeachment bill moving. Very noble of him.

Haha yeah, i think my theory makes more sense.

[Trassin]

Passed, 218 to 194

[Trassin]

They are now doing the Motion to Refer vote.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Why are Republicans voting Nay?

[Drknows]

Why are Republicans voting Nay?

Because the democrats are really republicans in disguise.

[Trassin]

Why are Republicans voting Nay?

Because they are going to stand with their fellow Republican as much as possible.

[kylejack]

Haha yeah, i think my theory makes more sense.
I don't. He knows he won't be elected president. He's using his candidacy as a springboard for his legislation. The dude carries around a pocket Constitution, and while he may not have quite the same understanding we have on government programs and their constitutionality, he's downright furious with what the administration has done to invade on Constitutional rights.

[mconder]

Good! Will Ron Paul vote to impeach?

I would be very surprised if he didn't.

[CurtisLow]

78 Democrats like Cheney and the job he's doing.

Most all of them are paid for and owned.

Most of the republicans are in the same boat. I say it's time to clean house. Vote all the corporate money hoes out.

[r3volution]

did you see Ron ? i seen for a few min sitting down talking to somebody ..

[Syren123]

I can support impeaching Cheney over Bush, though I think they should spend their time on something else, but this is at least an alternative to impeaching Bush.

This is cutting the head off the snake. Cheney goes, the snake is far less likely to bite. But it's too little too late. They should have been on this YEARS ago.

[Trassin]

Good! Will Ron Paul vote to impeach?

I would be very surprised if he didn't.

It's not actually a vote to Impeach. It's a vote to send the bill to the house judiciary committee for discussion.

[Drknows]

I don't. He knows he won't be elected president. He's using his candidacy as a springboard for his legislation. The dude carries around a pocket Constitution, and while he may not have quite the same understanding we have on government programs and their constitutionality, he's downright furious with what the administration has done to invade on Constitutional rights.

I dont see how running for president furthers his legislation in the house. He would benifit more the other way around.

Its so obvious he waited till he was running for president to put forward this bill.

* also if this was the case why dont dennis drop out after the bill is passed? You know why? Because the little guys stay in the race to make money, sell books and up name recognition for there next run for office.

[ItsTime]

Still a good step


It's not actually a vote to Impeach. It's a vote to send the bill to the house judiciary committee for discussion.

[Trassin]

Passed: 218 - 194

[FreedomLover]

Why are Republicans voting Nay?

Because the republicans are trying to make the democrats come up with specific reasons to impeach cheney, and in the process make the dems look like code-pink-style kooks.

[Naraku]

This is cutting the head off the snake. Cheney goes, the snake is far less likely to bite. But it's too little too late. They should have been on this YEARS ago.

It's probably true that Cheney is responsible for most of the problems in the White House. However, I think with most of the PNAC neocons out of office, most of those problems are resolved.

[Ron Paul Fan]

So now it gets stuck in committee?

[Trassin]

Still a good step

You won't hear me arguing with you. I certainly want the discussion to take place if nothing else.

[Richie]

How did Ron Paul vote?

[Starks]

So now it gets stuck in committee?

The bill is effectively dead now.

[Trassin]

The bill is effectively dead now.

I believe that it has to go through the judiciary committee so that hearings can be held on it, I could be wrong though.

[Salamando]

Did the vote pass?

[Trassin]

Did the vote pass?

Yes, 218-194

[Hurricane Bruiser]

Well if they spend time discussing this issue instead of passing more unconstitutional laws than I will be happy. That said, I don't think impeachment is in order and I hope Ron Paul doesn't vote to impeach but wouldn't hold it against him if he did. The presidential campaign is heating up and GB and DC will be out soon anyway.

[tnvoter]

Good! Will Ron Paul vote to impeach?

I would be very surprised if he didn't.

No. he won't.

[kylejack]

Well if they spend time discussing this issue instead of passing more unconstitutional laws than I will be happy. That said, I don't think impeachment is in order and I hope Ron Paul doesn't vote to impeach but wouldn't hold it against him if he did. The presidential campaign is heating up and GB and DC will be out soon anyway.
Ron Paul doesn't sacrifice his principles for political points.

[Ron Paul Fan]

Because the republicans are trying to make the democrats come up with specific reasons to impeach cheney, and in the process make the dems look like code-pink-style kooks.

Yep, i get it now. Republicans wanted to make Democrats look bad and radical. Democrats didn't want that so they killed the bill.

[BenIsForRon]

78 democrats are voting to NOT table the resolution, so they're probably for impeaching Cheney. 200 some democrats want to table it because they're pussies and don't want to rock the boat, in other words they're probably also fans of the "unitary executive theory". Most republicans are voting not to table it because they want democrats on the record saying we shouldn't impeach Cheney,

[Taco John]

Democrats just got worked!

[Taco John]

Yep, i get it now. Republicans wanted to make Democrats look bad and radical. Democrats didn't want that so they killed the bill.


Instead they chose to look weak and ineffective.

This helps the Ron Paul campaign.

[JMann]

Its a little more than a disagreement on policy...Cheney and Addington have repeatedly skirted the law. Ron Paul voted a while back to cut off Executive Branch funding to Cheney's office after Cheney stated that his office wasn't part of the Executive Branch (something he said to prevent complying with publishing reports from his office).

This is a disagreement or different interpretation of the law. Not hardly an impeachable offense.

[paulitics]

Well if they spend time discussing this issue instead of passing more unconstitutional laws than I will be happy. That said, I don't think impeachment is in order and I hope Ron Paul doesn't vote to impeach but wouldn't hold it against him if he did. The presidential campaign is heating up and GB and DC will be out soon anyway.


But these criminals need to be held accountable or they will continue the crimes. The only thing thats stopping this from going forward, is that the democrats live in glass houses, and are complicit in the crimes.

[JMann]

But these criminals need to be held accountable or they will continue the crimes. The only thing thats stopping this from going forward, is that the democrats live in glass houses, and are complicit in the crimes.

If you want the crimes to stop elect Ron Paul. Not the political pandering to the extremist base of Democrats and Republicans. The Rep did it to Clinton and this is nothing more. As much as I disagree with Bush and Dick I really don't want our country getting bogged down in impeachment hearing every 8 years. It had only happened once in the first 200 years I see no reason for this to be the way to solve disagreements in policy.

[syborius]

78 Democrats like Cheney and the job he's doing.

Neocons have infested both parties, sorry to say. the neocons in the democratic party is what have kept the democratic win from a clear mandate to end the war funding.

[LibertyEagle]

Holy smoke!
What a week. This is just awesome! Pretty much all my favorite things in the last 7 days:

Great Tonight Show & after party, raised $4 plus million in 24 hours, impeach Cheney...this is like my dream week.

LOL!!! :D

[JMann]

These are the threads that are just pure poison in helping Paul attract mainstream Republicans.

[me3]

And this belongs in General Politics. It's a Kucinich initative.

[misconstrued]

Neocons have infested both parties, sorry to say. the neocons in the democratic party is what have kept the democratic win from a clear mandate to end the war funding.

Aren't neocons just disgruntled lefties anyways? ;)

[kylejack]

These are the threads that are just pure poison in helping Paul attract mainstream Republicans.

And pure gold in trying to attract independents and moderate Republicans.

[DaronWestbrooke]

Good for Dr. Paul- Voted Yes

[Ron Paul Fan]

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/index.asp

It appears Congressman Paul wanted no part of the political games the Republicans played here today.

[JMann]

And pure gold in trying to attract independents and moderate Republicans.

Moderate Republicans support Bush who is a moderate. Independents can not vote in most of the Republican primaries. I haven't seen a poll but I'm sure amongst everyone except the most radical of people impeaching Bush or Dick in their last year is about as popular as Bush and Cheney.

This gives credit to those that ask why is Paul running as a Republican? Poison, Black helicopter, JFK, moon landing conspiracy crap.