If Ron Paul does not get the nomination

[LoneWolf]

What do you do? I will be voting for Constitution party more than likely if he doesn't get nomination just like I did in 2008 and I will be hoping Obama gets re elected because I would be so fed up with the morons running the republican party and their inability or want to change for the better. They insist on nominating another moron with no chance of winning so I will not be supporting them. Some say I am crazy but if this country is going to be torn apart I would rather have Obama do it faster than let any of the other Republican candidates in office to start another war in the Middle East. What say you?Oh and I will be hoping in 2016 Rand runs for president.

[phill4paul]

Write in.....NO ONE BUT PAUL.

[GunnyFreedom]

What do you do? I will be voting for Constitution party more than likely if he doesn't get nomination just like I did in 2008 and I will be hoping Obama gets re elected because I would be so fed up with the morons running the republican party and their inability or want to change for the better. They insist on nominating another moron with no chance of winning so I will not be supporting them. Some say I am crazy but if this country is going to be torn apart I would rather have Obama do it faster than let any of the other Republican candidates in office to start another war in the Middle East. What say you?Oh and I will be hoping in 2016 Rand runs for president.

Ohh you won't be alone. Here in NC my only choice is really the LP, but we are working on ballot access. HB32. If we get ballot access, it will be the CP.

[GunnyFreedom]

Write in.....NO ONE BUT PAUL.

In NC write-ins aren't even counted, so they don't work as a protest vote. In 2008, Bob Barr got more votes than the margin by which McCain lost to Obama. It was a beautiful thing.

[Anti Federalist]

Only one of the top ten Most Epic RPF threads ever.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?318200-Attention-Media-and-GOP-quot-No-one-but-Paul-quot-POLL-ADDED

[lx43]

I can't stand most republicans because they are so hypocritical. At least with the Democrats you know they are for big spending and socialism. With the Republicans they will lie to your face telling you they are for small government then go behind your back to raise the debt ceiling, vote for welfare programs, etc.

The Rs showed their true colors when they allowed the debt ceiling to be raised this year. They had the perfect opportunity to dramatically cut spending as their rhetoric suggested they would do but completely chickened out.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

Ron Paul WILL GET THE NOMINATION so stop posting these STUPID FUCKING THREADS!

[phill4paul]

In NC write-ins aren't even counted, so they don't work as a protest vote. In 2008, Bob Barr got more votes than the margin by which McCain lost to Obama. It was a beautiful thing.

I'm not voting a 'protest' Gunny. I'm voting my conscience. We don't have ten or twenty years to change the political system. This is my personal belief and I realize others may differ. I've found my line in the sand. I'll toe the line through this primary. After that all bets are off. After this nights debate I've realized a hard rain is gonna fall. I don't mind being swept by it as long as I stand against it. No One But Paul.

[Fredom101]

If no GOP nom, he will run as indy. Bet your ass on that one.

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm not voting a 'protest' Gunny. I'm voting my conscience. We don't have ten or twenty years to change the political system. This is my personal belief and I realize others may differ. I've found my line in the sand. I'll toe the line through this primary. After that all bets are off. After this nights debate I've realized a hard rain is gonna fall. I don't mind being swept by it as long as I stand against it. No One But Paul.

Believe me, I get it. I'm 100% down with NOBP. I just want my vote to show up in the numbers though, because I want it to HURT the bastards. Vengeful, yeah, selfish, probably. I took f'n GLEE when Barr had enough votes to have given McCain the victory he lost in NC. I rubbed the establishment's noses in it and told them they could have had those votes. If I was in a state where write ins produced numbers of whatever sort in the returns, I'd have done that instead of Barr, believe me. NC as you know has just about the worst ballot access in the US.

[Bosco Warden]

Ron Paul WILL GET THE NOMINATION so stop posting these STUPID FUCKING THREADS!

I'm glad someone said what I was thinking. We are in great shape, relax, the other candidates are killing themselves, keep up the good work. Youre not going to get any recognition from the media.

[phill4paul]

Believe me, I get it. I'm 100% down with NOBP. I just want my vote to show up in the numbers though, because I want it to HURT the bastards. Vengeful, yeah, selfish, probably. I took f'n GLEE when Barr had enough votes to have given McCain the victory he lost in NC. I rubbed the establishment's noses in it and told them they could have had those votes. If I was in a state where write ins produced numbers of whatever sort in the returns, I'd have done that instead of Barr, believe me. NC as you know has just about the worst ballot access in the US.

I see where your coming from. I understand that point. I'd +rep 'cept I gotta spread some around. For me...No One But Paul. I don't care if a write in is invalid in N.C. and times run out for playing the political ticket for freedom. To me. I respect your opinion.

[WarNoMore]

Ron Paul 3rd party. Also, work on dismantling the rigged system outside of the political sphere. We've gotta take this fight to all corners of society.

[Lothario]

if Paul doesn't get the nomination, any rational person should accept the facts, come to terms with their political powerlessness, and cease trying to affect change through the totally corrupt political system...or any political system. Societal change in a morally significant manner cannot come via any method but changing people's minds - and if we no longer have Paul's platform to support - then we must realize that you don't necessarily need to align with a particular candidate to positively influence a person's concept of morality.

As Stefan Molyneux says, if you raise your children under a voluntary system of negotiation, peaceful persuasion, and trust - then when they grow to be adults, the idea of submitting to a government that tramples their rights will be as nonsensical as bowing to some ancient tribal god of thunder.

[Feelgood]

Same thing I did last election, sit at home, sulk, and abstain. Cant do write ins.

[Cap]

If the good Doctor does get the nomination, I will triple my efforts of getting ready for the certain economic collapse. Ron Paul is the only chance this country has. If Ron doesn't get in, the country is fucked.

[LoneWolf]

Thanks for all the replies. Believe I truly do hope he gets it. But do you think the msm will run out of idiots to push as front runners before the majority of the primaries are over? I mean already been through Bachmann,Cain and Perry now they are on Gingrich's band wagon. Still got Huntsman,Santorum to go. Romney stays up there for some damn reason...

[tnvoter]

Ron Paul is winning the GOP nomination. In 2008, I followed through on Ron's endorsement of Chuck Baldwin and voted for him.

[heavenlyboy34]

Ron Paul WILL GET THE NOMINATION so stop posting these STUPID FUCKING THREADS!
Wow, somebody's pretty cranky! :eek: Go take some happy pills, Nate. ;) Like I said before, if RP doesn't get the nomination, I'll just write in an imaginary candidate. Maybe "John Galt" or "Mr Giggles" or something like that for lolz.:D:toady:

[wowrevolution]

If Ron Paul is not the next President then the effort for 'Peaceful Revolution' has failed and it time to get Founding Father on these people's asses.

[Rothbardian Girl]

I'll finish out my college degree, then double my efforts to move overseas. I'd just honestly disappear into Asia or something; Europe is too far gone at this point. Then I'll watch as this country is taught a lesson that could very well bring the rest of the world down as well.

[Working Poor]

I took f'n GLEE when Barr had enough votes to have given McCain the victory he lost in NC. I rubbed the establishment's noses in it and told them they could have had those votes. If I was in a state where write ins produced numbers of whatever sort in the returns, I'd have done that instead of Barr, believe me. NC as you know has just about the worst ballot access in the US.


I voted for Nader to protest and I know a few people who did the same so those votes were taken from McCain as well most likely,

[speciallyblend]

Write in.....NO ONE BUT PAUL.

voted this thread up. cbs/gop status quo spoke loud and clear last night, I am speaking LOUDER, NO ONE BUT PAUL!!!!

[Keith and stuff]

In 2008, I moved to New Hampshire as part of the Free State Project and voted for a Libertarian Party candidate (not Barr, the other one.) This time, I don't know who is going to get the nomination. If it is Ron Paul, I'll clearly vote for him. If it is Gary Johnson, I'll vote for him. If it is someone else, I'll look at the CP candidate, the LP candidate and the GOP candidate and vote for the one that I agree with on the most issues.

[Keith and stuff]

Same thing I did last election, sit at home, sulk, and abstain. Cant do write ins.

Why not vote in some of the other races? Or maybe stand at a polling place holding a sign for a local pro-liberty candidate? There are always dozens of pro-liberty candidates running for office where I live.

[speciallyblend]

I'll finish out my college degree, then double my efforts to move overseas. I'd just honestly disappear into Asia or something; Europe is too far gone at this point. Then I'll watch as this country is taught a lesson that could very well bring the rest of the world down as well.

if i could ever move outside of colorado. This would be my choice:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br4vTypFlcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br4vTypFlcg

[John F Kennedy III]

If Ron doesn't get the GOP nomination and doesn't run independent/3rd party I will work to get Obama re-elected and I will write in Ron Paul.

[Todd]

a teensy weensy too early to be worrying about this type of thread. No one but Paul.....but these threads make me feel like theres not much work left to do.

[GunnyFreedom]

a teensy weensy too early to be worrying about this type of thread. No one but Paul.....but these threads make me feel like theres not much work left to do.

Oh there's a lot of work left to do...all this thread really is is a parallel expression to the NOBP thread. I don't see the posters here giving up hope, just expressing the grim certitude with which the status quo will not get our votes.

Until then, this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?329769-There-is-ONE-THING-that-needs-to-be-our-PRIMARY-effort-to-win-Ron-Paul-2012

[speciallyblend]

Oh there's a lot of work left to do...all this thread really is is a parallel expression to the NOBP thread. I don't see the posters here giving up hope, just expressing the grim certitude with which the status quo will not get our votes.

Until then, this:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?329769-There-is-ONE-THING-that-needs-to-be-our-PRIMARY-effort-to-win-Ron-Paul-2012

these threads help save folks tv's from destruction(shoes,bricks etc etc) and from hitting the streets with pitchforks and tar;)

[Philhelm]

voted this thread up. cbs/gop status quo spoke loud and clear last night, I am speaking LOUDER, NO ONE BUT PAUL!!!!

What happened last night on CBS?

[John F Kennedy III]

these threads help save folks tv's from destruction(shoes,bricks etc etc) and from hitting the streets with pitchforks and tar;)

Lol. This.

[Nate-ForLiberty]

these threads help save folks tv's from destruction(shoes,bricks etc etc) and from hitting the streets with pitchforks and tar;)

umm, two things we desperately need to happen?

[nobody's_hero]

Perhaps I will vote for the socialist party. Enough of this watered-down shit. Mainstream Democrats and Republicans obviously want socialism if Ron Paul does not win, since they have been steering us in that direction for a long time. So, let's just go ahead and get this socialist nonsense over with.

Having said all that, I really want Ron Paul to win, 'cause I really don't want to have to vote for the socialist party.

[jason43]

I say we have a money bomb, buy a huge chunk of land somewhere and build our own utopia. Think about how many acres could be bought with a few million. Go John Galt.

[TheTyke]

We must win the nomination. Threads like this are extremely unhelpful. I agree with Nate, if not the exact wording he used to express it....

[heavenlyboy34]

Ohh you won't be alone. Here in NC my only choice is really the LP, but we are working on ballot access. HB32. If we get ballot access, it will be the CP.
Is the CP on enough ballots to theoretically win? IIRC, they only have ballot access on some 30 odd states. The LP has access in all states, last I checked.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I have no delusions. He can win, but it is not guaranteed at all. It is an uphill battle.

If he doesn't? I will try to draft a Palin/Paul ticket to let the GOP know they better get their heads our of their asses. If that doesn't work, LP or CP.

But right now, we have to be working 110% to elect Ron Paul. Phone calls, canvasing, grassroots advertising. If we do this, Paul will have a chance to win.
And keep in mind every vote for Ron is assuredly a vote for Rand.

[heavenlyboy34]

I'll finish out my college degree, then double my efforts to move overseas. I'd just honestly disappear into Asia or something; Europe is too far gone at this point. Then I'll watch as this country is taught a lesson that could very well bring the rest of the world down as well.
IMO, the advantage of Europe is the inflated currency will allow you to buy more with your FRN's because of the Euro-dollar exchange rate. Right now, 1 FRN= .7267 Euros. Buy up land and goods while they're low and sell high! :D

[jason43]

I voted libertarian last time to make ballot access easier. Wife wrote in Paul. It's a highly missed point about 08 that we probably cost McCain the election in the close states. If you think Obama is bad, imagine McCain? We'd already be in Iran.

[cindy25]

What happened last night on CBS?

the bias of the MSM really showed; less than 1 minute

[Lothario]

The #1 weapon in my opinion is the realization that without a Ron Paul nomination, Obama is mathematically guaranteed a reelection. Without a Ron Paul nomination, Paul will probably have the largest ballot write-in in history - numbers that the GOP must have if they want a chance at defeating Obama. The GOP must be made aware of this realization - that without a Paul nomination, Obama is mathematically guaranteed victory.

Having said that, if the GOP still moves forward with the MSM's bias and hidden (obvious) agenda, and they proceed to throw this election with a Romney (or other) nomination, then we must give up all hope in the election process. As rational human beings, without a Paul victory, we must abandon the entire political process as a tool to better society. We must come to terms with the reality that the electoral process is just 1 tool, 1 option to improve society, and that tool has proven to be a failure. We must resist the urge to show up to the ballot box again in 4 years with the same delusions that this time we'll overpower the powers that be.

If Paul doesn't win, no more voting. No more politics. No more faith in an inherently flawed, and demonstrably corrupt system. If despite our insistent logic and passionate education of the masses they slap us in the face by giving Paul just 90 seconds in a debate, and then Paul ends up not getting the nomination - we must accept that the powers that be have rigged this game, and they have won, and we must refuse to play in their game of politics any longer. Refuse to continue being slapped in the face, and then laughed if we fail. Its incredibly insulting, and it would prove to be a fool's game.

Ron Paul getting just 90 seconds at the debate is a terribly arrogant slap in the face by the powers that be. Be mad. Use that anger to get Ron Paul nominated and show that we have the power to beat them at their own rigged game, in the face of their own rigged rules. But if that day comes and our power to get Paul the nomination proves too little in comparison to the power of the establishment - then use that anger to swear never to play their game again. No more voting. No more campaigning. No more elections. No more politics. No more playing a game that has been so rigged to remove us, the people, from the equation.

I've spent endless hours fighting for a Ron Paul victory like everyone else, but if the establishment reveals that it's more powerful then we could ever imagine, please don't give in to the temptation of delusion or irrationality. Don't find yourself in the same place in 4 years. Don't give yourself the excuse of 4 years or the excuse of politics before taking action. Try a new action. Get to work with a new tool to better the morality of our society. End the establishment's entire game of politics. Stop participating. Stop being a pawn. Refuse to acknowledge the authority the government claims for itself. It will no longer be by, of, or for the people.

/rant

[cindy25]

The #1 weapon in my opinion is the realization that without a Ron Paul nomination, Obama is mathematically guaranteed a reelection. Without a Ron Paul nomination, Paul will probably have the largest ballot write-in in history - numbers that the GOP must have if they want a chance at defeating Obama. The GOP must be made aware of this realization - that without a Paul nomination, Obama is mathematically guaranteed victory.

Having said that, if the GOP still moves forward with the MSM's bias and hidden (obvious) agenda, and they proceed to throw this election with a Romney (or other) nomination, then we must give up all hope in the election process. As rational human beings, without a Paul victory, we must abandon the entire political process as a tool to better society. We must come to terms with the reality that the electoral process is just 1 tool, 1 option to improve society, and that tool has proven to be a failure. We must resist the urge to show up to the ballot box again in 4 years with the same delusions that this time we'll overpower the powers that be.

If Paul doesn't win, no more voting. No more politics. No more faith in an inherently flawed, and demonstrably corrupt system. If despite our insistent logic and passionate education of the masses they slap us in the face by giving Paul just 90 seconds in a debate, and then Paul ends up not getting the nomination - we must accept that the powers that be have rigged this game, and they have won, and we must refuse to play in their game of politics any longer. Refuse to continue being slapped in the face, and then laughed if we fail. Its incredibly insulting, and it would prove to be a fool's game.

Ron Paul getting just 90 seconds at the debate is a terribly arrogant slap in the face by the powers that be. Be mad. Use that anger to get Ron Paul nominated and show that we have the power to beat them at their own rigged game, in the face of their own rigged rules. But if that day comes and our power to get Paul the nomination proves too little in comparison to the power of the establishment - then use that anger to swear never to play their game again. No more voting. No more campaigning. No more elections. No more politics. No more playing a game that has been so rigged to remove us, the people, from the equation.

I've spent endless hours fighting for a Ron Paul victory like everyone else, but if the establishment reveals that it's more powerful then we could ever imagine, please don't give in to the temptation of delusion or irrationality. Don't find yourself in the same place in 4 years. Don't give yourself the excuse of 4 years or the excuse of politics before taking action. Try a new action. Get to work with a new tool to better the morality of our society. End the establishment's entire game of politics. Stop participating. Stop being a pawn. Refuse to acknowledge the authority the government claims for itself. It will no longer be by, of, or for the people.

/rant

if gas is at $8-$10, or is rationed, then Obama can't win. they would elect any idiot (Perry, Cain) that comes along. I think this is why Obama fears an early war. Obama wants war but after the election (remember WWI entry was 1917, WWII 1941-both the year after the election)

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Mass (peaceful) protests. I do everything I can to promote him, and I'm voting for him, but I have little faith we will win unless it's a landslide (Alex Jones noted they can't rig landslide victories) When the tyrants make the rules, they always win. As long as electronic voting machines exist, I'll always be skeptical. Getting his word out there was hard enough, but it's all in vain if we let them rig another election (I have no doubt in my mind elections have been rigged in key counties/states in the past)

[klamath]

umm, two things we desperately need to happen?
So I see you disagree with RP on torture. Bachmann your second choice?

[klamath]

I think I will look forward. NOBP wil be a RAND PAUL write in. Ron's time will be over but his son is up and coming. This is what I think Ron would like. Who do you think he will endorse in 2016?

[trey4sports]

If Ron doesn't get the nom. I will most likely vote for the LP nominee.

[Lothario]

From The Declaration of Independence:

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it"

[TNforPaul45]

I'll finish out my college degree, then double my efforts to move overseas. I'd just honestly disappear into Asia or something; Europe is too far gone at this point. Then I'll watch as this country is taught a lesson that could very well bring the rest of the world down as well.

I have thought this very thing. If not paul, abandon ship.

[Kylie]

if gas is at $8-$10, or is rationed, then Obama can't win. they would elect any idiot (Perry, Cain) that comes along. I think this is why Obama fears an early war. Obama wants war but after the election (remember WWI entry was 1917, WWII 1941-both the year after the election)

And don't forget that the "War on Terror" started in 2001, months after Bush took over. Didn't we have a price jump in gas then too?


I will not vote for the lesser of two evils again.

[libertarian4321]

if i could ever move outside of colorado. This would be my choice:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br4vTypFlcg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br4vTypFlcg

Interesting video.

Forget the Free State Project, we'll make it a "Free Country Project!"