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Matthew Zak
11-10-2011, 03:59 PM
And HOW do we deliver that message most effectively?

Travlyr
11-10-2011, 04:04 PM
Ron Paul - Pro-life family man who has remained true to his wedding vows, Christian, Conservative, Constitutional rule of law abider, Honest, Principled, Consistent.

Somehow people need to understand how Ron Paul's policies will create jobs. Sell "Liberty Defined?"

Philosophy_of_Politics
11-10-2011, 04:11 PM
It's too difficult to pick just one.

For The Republican Nomination we need to focus on Tea Partiers regarding Foreign Policy, the Economy, The Reserve, and SSI.


For The Big Election we need to focus on Liberal Democrats and Progressives who think Karl Marx, Obama, and Paul Krugman are the saints of the earth.
For The Big Election we need to get people to understand the difference between Collectivism and Individualism.
For The Big Election we need to get people to understand that Paul is not a racist, and why he voted what he did on the Civil Rights Act.
For The Big Election we need to focus on Individuals that don't understand the 5 Cabinets, Public Services, or the Roles of Government.

surf
11-10-2011, 04:16 PM
i voted war but was thinking more of the general than the primaries. war is easy to tie to our economic clusterf#ck and i certainly hope this country has "war fatigue" by now.

Xelaetaks
11-10-2011, 04:41 PM
Economy and war. While personal liberties are important most mainstream don't care or realize all the problems regarding person liberties at the moment it seems. People want a booming economy though and alot to end wars but if we focus on that defense is probably important to bring to the spotlight too.

Philosophy_of_Politics
11-10-2011, 04:42 PM
Economy and war. While personal liberties are important most mainstream don't care or realize all the problems regarding person liberties at the moment it seems. People want a booming economy though and alot to end wars but if we focus on that defense is probably important to bring to the spotlight too.

If you start addressing things like why the 5 Cabinets need to be removed, it will restore many liberties.

bluesc
11-10-2011, 04:45 PM
Ron's Suez Canal answer.

Paulatized
11-10-2011, 04:47 PM
That the US will be a safe and prosperous place to live under a Ron Paul Presidency.

Xelaetaks
11-10-2011, 04:53 PM
If you start addressing things like why the 5 Cabinets need to be removed, it will restore many liberties.


Word. All I mean is we should probably make the message relatable to everyone as much as possible. I think young people all understand issues regarding our liberties, but I think alot of the mainstream wants to hear buzz words like the economy and having jobs all over the place and good prices/business, etc..... Also ending the wars is buzz worthy too if we say how it would be done and help us all and the troops.

Libertea Party
11-10-2011, 04:59 PM
That the US will be a safe and prosperous place to live under a Ron Paul Presidency.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLm7Sw402xE

69360
11-10-2011, 05:20 PM
I think the average person wants somebody who understands and can fix the economic crisis and somebody who will end the wars.

Liberty74
11-10-2011, 05:36 PM
Economy, Jobs, Bring Home the Troops!

JohnGalt1225
11-10-2011, 05:36 PM
The economy. That's the main issue in America right now. As a lover of liberty and small government I see foreign policy and economic/domestic policy as intrinsically linked, however I'm not sure the general public sees that connection. For the primaries we definitely need to focus on the economy. If/when we get the nomination then we can start to talk a lot more about foreign policy, while keeping the primary focus on the economy.

R3volutionJedi
11-10-2011, 05:43 PM
I've been waiting for him to say this at the debate: "Listen. You can't take what everyone on this stage says for face-value. Research our rhetoric. don't let the media vote for you! This for yourself."

Miss Annie
11-10-2011, 05:48 PM
I think people need to hear definitively and in detail that Ron Paul is not going to cut them off of Social Security and Medicare - FLAT.
I think that is one of people's biggest fears. I know that is a concern that is one of the biggest enticers that keeps my parents leaning left.

Danemicus
11-10-2011, 06:45 PM
It has to be the economy. That's at the forefront of everybody's minds right now. This fact would seem to explain the rise of Herman Cain and why he was so easy for the MSM to push. His 999 plan, even if deeply flawed, is easy to understand and apparently it captures people's imagination. I think it speaks volumes that Cain will somehow bring up 999 in one of his debate questions, even if his plan has absolutely no relevance to the question, yet this doesn't seem make his supporters doubt him or see him for the extremely limited candidate that he is. They're willing to have unshakable faith in a man who appears to have the economy as his priority, even if it's clear that he doesn't actually have much of a clue about economics at all.

So, if constant repetition of the 999 gimmick can be so successful, surely a simplified version of Ron Paul's economic vision would be much more so? As of now though, it's definitely not simple enough for a lot of people and the onus is on them to do their own research. Case in point, a lot of students seem to have somehow got it into their heads that Ron Paul is doing away with student loans and that eliminating the department of education is going to have a negative bearing on education as a whole in the country. Facepalm x 2 and that's why the message needs to be much simpler.

Dianne
11-10-2011, 06:52 PM
none of the above.. main message should be how the news media is now corrupted by the government... Let a brilliant Elder run this country, rather than the New World Order.. We must fight the Fed owned news media in their brainwashing of the average citizen.

The Elder, Ron Paul, must lead this nation into recovery; otherwise we will have no nation at all.

Danemicus
11-10-2011, 07:19 PM
That would take years. Telling everyone they're all in the Matrix and need to wake up is a sure way to make the "unelectable" and "Crazy Ron Paul" tags stick. People are nowhere near ready to be able to comprehend that sort of message, nor will they be in such a short space of time as between now and the primaries.

ronpaulfollower999
11-10-2011, 07:30 PM
In an ideal world, individual liberties.

I voted (and so far appear to be the lone vote) for Wallstreet Unfairness. Perhaps I misread what the OP meant by this...are we talking WS is being treated unfairly or the game is rigged for WS? If the latter, I guess it's a more narrow topic on the economy. There is a lot of hate toward big corporations and if the movement can educate people on how a return to the Constitution would limit their power in DC. We would pick up more supporters with that than we would by talking about M1, interest rates, and monetizing the debt. Unfortunately this goes over the average American's head and the people who do understand it are either part of the movement or part of the problem.

Carson
11-10-2011, 07:32 PM
The root of most all of the world's problems; central banks.

People first need to understand the basics.

Maybe this will help make the danger of fiat money clear. Imagine you and me are setting across from each other. We create enough money to represent all of the world's wealth. Each one of us has one SUPER Dollar in front of him. You own half of everything and so do I. I'm the government though. I get bribed into creating a Central Bank. You're not doing what I want you to be doing so I print up myself eight more SUPER Dollars to manipulate you with. All of a sudden your SUPER Dollar only represents one tenth of the wealth of the world! That isn't the only thing though. You need to get busy and get to work because YOU'VE BEEN STIFFED with the bill for the money I PRINTED UP to get YOU TO DO what I WANTED.

That to me is what is happening to us, and the economy, and why so many of our occupations just can't keep up with the fake money presses.


Once a persons understands the power of some to print up what ever it takes to get their way, you begin to understand our loss of freedom over the last several decades.

Crimany! Can't people see the new world order of things and see how they use our own money to herd us where they want, with our own money, and then stiff us with the bill for it!

Take for instance the herding over health care. They used our own money decade after decade to push and push and push us. We held them back several times but every time we thought we could move onto other things they would rise up like those dead guys in the scary movies. They could afford to keep rising up. They were using our own fiat money against us. Then now that they've pushed it through look who will be loaning us our own fiat money to finance the plan. The central banks themselves. They can't lose. If they can receive some interest on the loans they will make out like thieves. If something happens and they come up short they will shift the burden of the principal and the interest on to the taxpayers and make out like pirates. Either way the honest money we had will have been devalued by all of the printing and spending of money we didn't have.

ronpaulfollower999
11-10-2011, 07:40 PM
Like others have said, we have to simplify Ron Paul's plan. Newt Gingrich is demonstrating how people don't care about the solution itself, just that you have one (even though he really doesn't). People what simple answers to complex problems. The true problem is the lack of critical thinking in this country.

It's funny, people want spending cuts but once Ron starts naming off real cuts, people claim his proposal is absurd. Maybe Ron should really hammer down the fact that his plan balances the budget.

newbitech
11-10-2011, 07:48 PM
Voted War.

It's pretty obvious that the message about personal liberties, the economy, unfairness in not only Wall Street but the entire "system" has gotten through to people.

Where people are really missing the mark is on the issue of war and violence.

For whatever reason, there is a tolerance for violence in this country. Not only physical violence, but mental abuse as well.

I put those categories together.

People need to hear the freedom message in context of war, violence, and superiority (how I would term mental abusiveness).

Tod
11-10-2011, 07:53 PM
I think there are two main facets to this that are linked:

1. The number one concern of most voters surely has to be the job market (economy) and probably a lot of people can't find fault with Paul on this but...
2. At the same time, probably the biggest concern most voters have about Paul is the war situation.

caveat: I don't have a feel for how big the misconceptions are about how Paul will handle SS.

Miss Annie
11-10-2011, 08:16 PM
[QUOTE=Tod;3732330

caveat: I don't have a feel for how big the misconceptions are about how Paul will handle SS.[/QUOTE]

I would say they are big. That is the only other thing that I have heard that makes people ( especially in upper ages ) hesitant to vote for him. They need clarification that they would not just all of the sudden not have that income coming in. Not be able to buy groceries, pay rent, etc. For retired people it is a BIG DEAL. I think Ron Paul's message makes sense to all. I think there are only 2 places that people are hesitant and that is the Social Security, Medicare, and the foriegn policy. But the hesitancy only comes from a lack of understanding of his policies,....... not disagreement with them. Clarification is all that is needed I think.

Jingles
11-10-2011, 08:20 PM
I wish I could vote for them all, but replace Wall-street with The Federal Reserve. I feel that they are all interconnected and you can't really separate them. We either argue for liberty and as much freedom from as possible from the monopoly on violence that is the state or we don't.

Tod
11-10-2011, 08:30 PM
I would say they are big. That is the only other thing that I have heard that makes people ( especially in upper ages ) hesitant to vote for him. They need clarification that they would not just all of the sudden not have that income coming in. Not be able to buy groceries, pay rent, etc. For retired people it is a BIG DEAL. I think Ron Paul's message makes sense to all. I think there are only 2 places that people are hesitant and that is the Social Security, Medicare, and the foriegn policy. But the hesitancy only comes from a lack of understanding of his policies,....... not disagreement with them. Clarification is all that is needed I think.

I agree wholeheartedly that any hesitancy comes not from disagreement but from misunderstanding. He really has the only practical plan for saving SS for those invested in it.

Bern
11-10-2011, 08:34 PM
I honestly believe that the message content isn't as important right now as projecting a calm, competent and in control demeanor. The campaign needs to focus more on pathos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathos) to win voters. Romney and Gingrich are both killing it in this regards.

Birdlady
11-10-2011, 09:16 PM
I admit I didn't read the whole thread. I think the big one right now is the economy, but Ron Paul has to dumb this down considerably. RP should take a lesson from Cain. Don't get into the philosophical elements and fine details. "I can fix the economy. I predicted this collapse back in 2003 when no one was talking about it."

Just imagine how incredible that soundbite would be for his campaign! :)

GeorgiaAvenger
11-10-2011, 09:18 PM
People would jump on the RP bandwagon if they felt secure about his foreign policy. This has to be worked on.

acptulsa
11-10-2011, 09:20 PM
X How all four of the issues mentioned in the poll are inextricably intertwined. Corporatism begets imperialistic war, which clamps down on our personal liberties, which crushes the entrepreneurialism on which the nation was built, which helps remove the nimble, responsive competition the corporations hate. And then good bye middle class.

J_White
11-10-2011, 10:54 PM
Focus on his Predictions.
He saw the housing bubble and recession coming 4-5 years before it did !!
Any other candidate did that ? No, they were parroting what the MSM experts were telling them.

Foreign Policy -
whichever country we "liberated" or "helped" has turned against us -
OBL against Russia, he turned against us
Saddam against Iran, turned against us.
Libya give to former AQ, now AQ flag is flying there.

He predicted that Obama would bring no real change in an interview too !!

TER
11-11-2011, 12:08 AM
It is a wonder when one thinks on those Empires of the distant pasts which lasted for many centuries, even millennium, and then think that the one we live in, the first one with the capacity to annihilate human life in this world, is a mere 330 years old. And that even just a generation ago, it was the most powerful and widely admired nation on earth.

Unfortunately, for some time now, this has been supplied with paper money by a gang of counterfeiters, who have now lost control of the racket they have run for a hundred years and now the proverbial chickens are coming home to roost. And this is what we are seeing in the riots across Europe and now here in the United States. The Fed is the dealer to our sick nation, the one who benefits even as the ones he is dealing with get sicker. But there will be no more bailouts. They will try to win over the millions of students who are in debt by indoctrinating them with the idea that the socialistic ideals of this President and of the wing of his party are what they can depend on in times of uncertainty, even as they do this at the expense of the generation to come, those born and those even yet to be born. They will try and win over the students and young of this nation by bribing them with student debt relief. This calculated move is but the next stone of bailing out postmen, and then policemen and firemen. Until even a bailout for the pensions of the crooked politicians, to add to their wealth begotten from corporate lobbyist and special interests.

Ron Paul is the answer to fixing the very disease which has spread in every direction of government. He will restore the Office of Presidency, and by the power of his Presidency, we will bring back peace, posterity, and freedom.

revgen
11-11-2011, 12:20 AM
They need to understand the Federal Reserve.

All of the problems with this country begin with the Fed.

You can't have the welfare state, the warfare state, or the police state without it.