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cindy25
11-09-2011, 11:26 PM
no youtube but the stream is here, in the first 20 min.

http://usaguns.net/patriots/fw3low.php

bluesc
11-09-2011, 11:28 PM
Even if Ron is the Republican nominee? What kind of campaign can he run from Mexico?

Seriously, the Libertarian Party doesn't need its name tainted by Ventura. I actually want to get out of the two party system. Start at the state legislature level, then move up. Forget Presidential elections.

Sola_Fide
11-09-2011, 11:31 PM
Why would the Libertarian party run a socialist?

heavenlyboy34
11-09-2011, 11:34 PM
Why would the Libertarian party run a socialist?Is Ventura a true socialist? Sorry, I'm not informed on all of his political opinions. /shrugs

AuH20
11-09-2011, 11:38 PM
Ventura really left a mess in Minnesota and he has anger management issues. While I admire the guy's toughness, he's not made for politics.

pulp8721
11-09-2011, 11:55 PM
Ventura really left a mess in Minnesota and he has anger management issues. While I admire the guy's toughness, he's not made for politics.

Left a mess?
-cut property taxes
-advocated land-use reform
-cut car license tab fees
-gave back to Minnesotans sales tax rebates ("jesse checks")
-Kept Minnesota budget in balance first two years (so he says), and in his words, after R's and D's ganged up on him , and rejected his budget, spending went up and thus left with a 4.5 billion dollar deficit he couldn't close.
-made media personal wear a "jackal badge" when in the state capitol

He was the IMHO, the best we've had in decades. Someone on this thread said that he's a socialist. Really? The man who dedicated his book to Ron Paul, and said earlier this year on FOX that the income tax and IRS should be abolished. A socialist advocates that? If anything he's libertarian-lite.

TexanRudeBoy
11-10-2011, 12:04 AM
Even if Ron is the Republican nominee? What kind of campaign can he run from Mexico?

Seriously, the Libertarian Party doesn't need its name tainted by Ventura. I actually want to get out of the two party system. Start at the state legislature level, then move up. Forget Presidential elections.

They tainted it pretty well last time by running a Patriot Act supporting drug warrior in Bob Barr. And don't give me any changed his tune crap. Anyone can change their tune when politically expedient.

cindy25
11-10-2011, 12:07 AM
Ventura has no philosophy , he supports slavery (draft) and socialist health care.

but the Libertarians would be better off nominating him than an unknown. of course we all hope for Ron to be nominated, but plan B would be Johnson, plan C Ventura

bluesc
11-10-2011, 12:14 AM
They tainted it pretty well last time by running a Patriot Act supporting drug warrior in Bob Barr. And don't give me any changed his tune crap. Anyone can change their tune when politically expedient.

I didn't mean tainting their name to us. They are more likely to have liberty candidates at the state level, and if not, they would split the vote pretty well R/D/L and open it up for a good independent. I dislike the two party system that leaves no room for good candidates a lot more than I dislike the LP.

donnay
11-10-2011, 12:37 AM
I am curious why he doesn't run in the Reform Party? The Libertarian Party has been infiltrated just like the Democrats and Republicans.

NewRightLibertarian
11-10-2011, 12:42 AM
He should do this if Ron Paul doesn't get the Presidential nomination for the Republicans. At the very least, he can push some issues into the mainstream.

gerryb
11-10-2011, 01:10 AM
Not sure Ventura is the voice I would want pushing issues into the mainstream...

anaconda
11-10-2011, 01:19 AM
Ventura really left a mess in Minnesota and he has anger management issues. While I admire the guy's toughness, he's not made for politics.

I've never seen him angry. Are there some incidences of violent outbursts?

John F Kennedy III
11-10-2011, 02:20 AM
Why would the Libertarian party run a socialist?

That's a flat out lie.

John F Kennedy III
11-10-2011, 02:22 AM
Ventura has no philosophy , he supports slavery (draft) and socialist health care.

but the Libertarians would be better off nominating him than an unknown. of course we all hope for Ron to be nominated, but plan B would be Johnson, plan C Ventura

Id much rather have Ventura than Johnson.

donnay
11-10-2011, 02:38 AM
Why would the Libertarian party run a socialist?

Can you name off his socialist leanings?

enoch150
11-10-2011, 05:51 AM
Yikes:


KING: Now of a more important nature. President Obama will lay out his plans for Afghanistan, major address, West Point, tomorrow night. CNN will follow it with live coverage. We'll be pushed back to being on at midnight, 9:00 Pacific because of that, but we'll be here. What are your thoughts on the possibility, apparently, that he's going to send 30,000 more troops, with an exit date?

VENTURA: Well, it still angers me, because it reminds me a great deal of Vietnam. The Russians couldn't beat they will. The English couldn't beat them over there. You are not going to get a military solution, in my opinion, in Afghanistan. It's impossible.

Yet we're just like Vietnam. Are we propping up a phony government like we did in Vietnam? Remember, the United States blocked free elections in Vietnam? Had there had been elections in Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh would have won in a land slide.

Well, is this the same thing going on? We're propping up an unpopular government. We're sending our military in.

I tell you what should happen, Larry. We need an immediate Congress to pass a war tax, because you know what? We're involved in two wars now and this country is feeling no pain. Well, I got news for you. When you're involved in war, everyone should feel a little bit of pain. We need to pass a war tax to pay for this war.

And I'll tell you something else. It's time to bring back the draft. These guys are on their fifth or sixth tours over there. I used to be advocate for a professional military. I'm not anymore. It's too easy for these people to take our young men and women to war and not account for it.

And let's pass one more law, Larry. The next time the government votes to go to war, I think every congressman and senator should be required to pr predesignate someone in their family begins immediate military service. I'm tired for these people voting to go to war and then they have no dog in the fight.

KING: Governor, would you leave -- if it was your decision, what would you do?

VENTURA: I would pull out of Afghanistan. I would pull out of Iraq. And I would bring our boys home. It's our job to protect their safety and not be sending them off to wars. What are we accomplishing there? I look at it from a personal viewpoint, Larry. I don't understand how these two wars have helped Jesse Ventura or the United States of America one bit, other than to drain our economy.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0911/30/lkl.01.html

MRoCkEd
11-10-2011, 06:34 AM
Can you name off his socialist leanings?

Jesse Ventura on Larry King (http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/03/jesse_ventura_t_3.php):

"The State of Hawaii has had state-run health care for over 40 years and it works fantastic there. In fact, Rush Limbaugh even got treated there and said how great it was, before he found out that it was state-run health care. If government-run health care is so bad, then why do we give it to our veterans and have we given it to them since World War I?"

vita3
11-10-2011, 06:40 AM
I like Jessie, but he is not Presidential material, let's get real.

He could play a usefull role as a part of an independent team

WarNoMore
11-10-2011, 06:48 AM
Jesse Ventura on Larry King (http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/03/jesse_ventura_t_3.php):

"The State of Hawaii has had state-run health care for over 40 years and it works fantastic there. In fact, Rush Limbaugh even got treated there and said how great it was, before he found out that it was state-run health care. If government-run health care is so bad, then why do we give it to our veterans and have we given it to them since World War I?"

Does Hawaii's state run health care work fantastic? If the state wants it then a Paul presidency wouldn't stop it, and if it actually works then even better.

ZanZibar
11-10-2011, 07:41 AM
I think RJ Harris is running.

AuH20
11-10-2011, 08:04 AM
I've never seen him angry. Are there some incidences of violent outbursts?

Look up the Jim Norton incident.

donnay
11-10-2011, 11:51 AM
Jesse Ventura on Larry King (http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2010/03/jesse_ventura_t_3.php):

"The State of Hawaii has had state-run health care for over 40 years and it works fantastic there. In fact, Rush Limbaugh even got treated there and said how great it was, before he found out that it was state-run health care. If government-run health care is so bad, then why do we give it to our veterans and have we given it to them since World War I?"

I see. He does bring up a good point, about the veterans, though. I also think Jesse is coming around, and is willing to have limited government as the founders set up.

eduardo89
11-10-2011, 12:10 PM
I think RJ Harris is running.

Yes he is. Shame, he could be doing something much more productive. He should run for state hour or state senate and then build up support for another congressional run...as a republican.

akforme
11-10-2011, 12:14 PM
I love jesse... as the person who asks the questions nobody else will and say's the things nobody else will.

I doubt I'd support him for a position in office.

driller80545
11-10-2011, 12:22 PM
I love jesse... as the person who asks the questions nobody else will and say's the things nobody else will.

I doubt I'd support him for a position in office.

Ih would name him head of the State Department. Let's see how China likes Jesse!

TomtheTinker
11-10-2011, 12:54 PM
I am curious why he doesn't run in the Reform Party? The Libertarian Party has been infiltrated just like the Democrats and Republicans.

L party has access to the ballots.


I like Jessie, but he is not Presidential material, let's get real.


If Ron doesn't get the R nomination..would you want your choices to be [insert plastic Republican here] vs Obabam or R vs Obama vs a legit hell raiser who we atleast know heart is in the right place.

While he is obviously not a libertarian..calling him a socialist is just as nonsensical.

The way I look at voting now a days I would have a hard time voting for him..but his presence in the race would be welcome by me. I would also be glad to stand and fight beside him any day.

donnay
11-10-2011, 12:59 PM
L party has access to the ballots.



If Ron doesn't get the R nomination..would you want your choices to be [insert plastic Republican here] vs Obabam or R vs Obama vs a legit hell raiser who we atleast know heart is in the right place.

While he is obviously not a libertarian..calling him a socialist is just as nonsensical.

The way I look at voting now a days I would have a hard time voting for him..but his presence in the race would be welcome by me. I would also be glad to stand and fight beside him any day.


The Reform Party got another boost in the 1998 elections when former pro-wrestler Jesse Ventura won the Minnesota gubernatorial race on the Reform Party ticket. Its success brought to a new height, the party suddenly became more attractive to politicians eyeing the presidency.

Read more: The Reform Party http://www.infoplease.com/spot/reformparty1.html#ixzz1dKYAfVVa


Personally when all the dust settles he should seek RP platform!

jmdrake
11-10-2011, 01:04 PM
Even if Ron is the Republican nominee? What kind of campaign can he run from Mexico?

Uhhh....no. That's only a contingency plan if Ron Paul doesn't get the nominee. And it's a shot across the bow of the GOP that if Ron Paul doesn't get the nomination there will be a third party challenger who also happens to be a household name. It's Ron Paul or nobody.

anaconda
11-10-2011, 05:39 PM
Look up the Jim Norton incident.

I have to go run errands but I watched the first 3 or so minutes of the radio discussion to which I believe you are referring. Whomever he was talking with was an obnoxious little punk and, so far,Ventura has been magnitudes more civil than that little foul mouthed prick. I'll watch the rest later.

Zap!
11-11-2011, 11:59 PM
Apparently, some here have never heard of libertarian socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

Jingles
11-12-2011, 12:25 AM
I wish Jim Lark would run for the Libertarian party nomination. He is an awesome dude and graduated from my college. He was head of the LNC from 2000 to 2002. Got drunk with him at a bar after a conference... good times. If there is anyone that represents my political philosophy 100% it is him.

cindy25
11-12-2011, 03:23 AM
I wish Jim Lark would run for the Libertarian party nomination. He is an awesome dude and graduated from my college. He was head of the LNC from 2000 to 2002. Got drunk with him at a bar after a conference... good times. If there is anyone that represents my political philosophy 100% it is him.

unfortunately unless the libs nominate a known candidate its a waste, and Romney the neo con can run wild

jkob
11-12-2011, 04:05 AM
I like Jesse a lot but the problem with him is that he doesn't try very hard to have people take him seriously and has spent the last few years going crazy about conspiracies. I don't think he'd be able to attract many disaffected Tea Partiers and Republicans while also not being particularly great on issues. I think Gary Johnson would be a much stronger candidate.

cindy25
11-12-2011, 04:21 AM
I like Jesse a lot but the problem with him is that he doesn't try very hard to have people take him seriously and has spent the last few years going crazy about conspiracies. I don't think he'd be able to attract many disaffected Tea Partiers and Republicans while also not being particularly great on issues. I think Gary Johnson would be a much stronger candidate.

Gary Johnson should have done better in the polls for the nomination.

TheDrakeMan
11-12-2011, 02:03 PM
Apparently, some here have never heard of libertarian socialism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_socialism

We've heard of it, but Ventura would be a Progressive not a Libertarian Socialist. Unless he wants to abolish all property rights and the government.

nobody's_hero
11-12-2011, 04:16 PM
Well, they ran Bob Barr in 2008. I don't see this as much of a stretch.

Peace&Freedom
11-12-2011, 06:50 PM
The point behind the LP nominating Barr in 2008 was to show, as with Paul in 1988, that the party was credible enough to attract a candidate who had achieved senior elected office (Governor, Congressman, Senator), and not a dogcatcher. Having already done that, the LP may lean back towards a principled purist in 2012. Ventura and Johnson, as former Governors, are dead even in terms of senior ranked experience and credibility. Ventura is much more popular within the liberty movement, in large part precisely because he has documented the truth behind real conspiracies. And clearly, Johnson has simply crashed and burned in the GOP primaries, even counting being blacked out, and despite having studiously (or sheeepishly?) avoided controversy.

John F Kennedy III
11-12-2011, 06:58 PM
The point behind the LP nominating Barr in 2008 was to show, as with Paul in 1988, that the party was credible enough to attract a candidate who had achieved senior elected office (Governor, Congressman, Senator), and not a dogcatcher. Having already done that, the LP may lean back towards a principled purist in 2012. Ventura and Johnson, as former Governors, are dead even in terms of senior ranked experience and credibility. Ventura is much more popular within the liberty movement, in large part precisely because he has documented the truth behind real conspiracies. And clearly, Johnson has simply crashed and burned in the GOP primaries, even counting being blacked out, and despite having studiously (or sheeepishly?) avoided controversy.

Truth.

+rep

cindy25
11-12-2011, 07:34 PM
Ventura would get media attention, and help downstream Libertarian candidates (Congress)

and he would keep Romney out of the White House