Ron Paul: Elizabeth Warren is "a socialist" - Huffington Post

[LatinsforPaul]

From the Huffington Post...

Ron Paul On Elizabeth Warren: 'She's A Socialist' (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/elizabeth-warren-ron-paul-socialist_n_1081962.html)


Texas Rep. Ron Paul called Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren a "socialist" Tuesday in a series of Republican presidential candidate interviews hosted by ABC News and Yahoo!.

Warren drew attention earlier this fall for a video of her speaking to supporters refuting Republican arguments that Democrats were waging "class warfare."

She said: "No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own -- nobody." She said even a factory owner who became wealthy used public goods like roads, police and fire, and public education. She added: "Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."

ABC News' Terry Moran asked Paul why Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Warren was wrong in her comments. "Because she's a socialist," said the libertarian-leaning House member. He added, "her whole argument is absolutely wrong" because "governments are always destructive in the creation of wealth," according to The Hill. When pressed on whether public education was socialist, Paul said, "When the state runs things, that's a socialist thing." He added, "I preach home schooling and private schooling and competition."

[RonPaulFanInGA]

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/192317-ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist


Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) called Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren (D) “a socialist,” and described public schooling as “a socialist thing” during an interview Tuesday with ABC News and Yahoo.

Paul, an avowed libertarian, was asked to respond to a now-famous quote from Warren in which she argued that those who built wealth in America were able to do so because the government had provided infrastructure, education and security. Thus, Warren said, “part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

ABC News reporter Terry Moran asked Paul why Warren was wrong.

“Because she’s a socialist,” Paul responded.

Moran then asked if public schooling — one of the tenets of the social contract cited by Warren — was also socialist.

“When the state runs things, that’s a socialist thing,” Paul responded. “I preach home schooling and private schooling and competition.”

Paul went on to argue that Warren’s “whole argument is absolutely wrong” because “governments are always destructive in the creation of wealth.”

[No Free Beer]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/08/elizabeth-warren-ron-paul-socialist_n_1081962.html?ref=politics

"Texas Rep. Ron Paul called Massachusetts Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren a "socialist" Tuesday in a series of Republican presidential candidate interviews hosted by ABC News and Yahoo!."

- NFB

[Todd]

those who built wealth in America were able to do so because the government had provided infrastructure, education and security. part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.”

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.

[torchbearer]

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.

ron explains it in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sPNZdOEkVo0

[torchbearer]

I rob you. use the money to build you a road. you use the road, then i tell you that you owe me for the road.

[CaptUSA]

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.She operates from the premise that if government didn't spend money on education, infrastructure, and security, that nobody else would.

Ron Paul knows that when government is taken out of this equation, the quality of education is better. The quality of infrastructure is better apportioned. And security is more effectively managed.

Instead of following her premise that businesses have benefitted from government, we should analyze how businesses have been hurt by government also and compare the costs side as well. This will give you the utility of the argument which is more sound without government intervention. And since the utilitarian side also jibes with the moral side - Ron Paul is right.

[low preference guy]

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.

so many flaws... i don't even know where to start

1. You never signed the social contract
2. Even assuming the validity of the social contract, how do you know what it says? I declare now that the social contract says that the government can only have laws against people who commit violence or steal or break contracts.
3. Suppose the government owns the only shoe company and makes competition illegal. Would you say that without the government you would be barefoot? Of course not. Same thing with schools. You would have much better schools if the government never owned (stole) them.

[torchbearer]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sPNZdOEkVo0

[sailingaway]

And their point is? It isn't a personal insult, it is a description of specific economic ideology.

The point is that EVERYONE had a right to the roads and police and others DIDN'T make money with them.

Ron pointed out that TARP was socialism as well, during the Bush administration. He isn't partisan about vocabulary.

Those commenting seem to think he is just slinging insults. They don't seem to realize that the word has a meaning.

[brushfire]

Why are socialists so terrified of being called socialists?

[AuH20]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist-public-schooling-is-a-socialist-idea/

[Jack Bauer]

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.

You can thank me later. (http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_lesson.pdf)

[djruden]

I went to a private school therefore my parents had to pay for public education that my family NEVER used. On top of that, we payed for the private education... Where is the fairness in that? Paul is right, she IS a socialist.

[Machiavelli]

People are so stupid.

[brandon]

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.


You can thank me later. (http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_lesson.pdf)

Try this one: www.fee.org/library/books/economics-in-one-lesson/

You can thanks me later. :)

[ctiger2]

Warren's essentially arguing that any person who's financially successful has never had any of their income stolen by the Federal Government. So, the Federal Government must intervene into a persons accumulated wealth and steal their property and redistribute it to people who aren't as successful.

[roversaurus]

This is the kind of quote that will gain Dr Paul votes in the Republican primary.

Part of the Cain appeal is that he had some "fight in him". That the left attacked him and he fought back.

[theczar1776]

Originally posted by The Blaze
In an ABC News/Yahoo! News interview Tuesday, Republican presidential candidate Texas Rep. Ron Paul took a few jabs at Keynesian economics, a Massachusetts senate candidate, and one of our society’s keystone institutions.


http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist-public-schooling-is-a-socialist-idea/

[Invi]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist-public-schooling-is-a-socialist-idea/

.. That picture.
Oh geez, they find the worst ones possible.

[Elwar]

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.

A boy is molested all of his life by his father, who was molested by his father, who was molested by his father, and so on and so on. Now he is a father. Why should he be kept from molesting his son, considering he had to endure it all of his life and it is now his turn?

[Diashi]

She's probably proud of it too.

[evadmurd]

YES

[sailingaway]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sPNZdOEkVo0

theme song, Born Free? I can live with that...

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LOL! Went to get the youtube, and check out the top comments -- I didn't put it there, I swear!! I will add a moneybomb comment though, for those who want to thumb it up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWOrI0WaLs

[Aratus]

this is going to make scott brown's day come november of 2012 if all he has
to do to be re-elected is hand clothespins to reluctant GOP "elephant" people

[Zatch]

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/ron-paul-elizabeth-warren-is-a-socialist-public-schooling-is-a-socialist-idea/

http://www.theblaze.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Snapz-Pro-XScreenSnapz0072-620x293.jpg

lol

[matt0611]

Warren's essentially arguing that any person who's financially successful has never had any of their income stolen by the Federal Government. So, the Federal Government must intervene into a persons accumulated wealth and steal their property and redistribute it to people who aren't as successful.

Exactly. Her whole philosophy can be ripped apart in about 10 seconds.

[Miss Annie]

If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXhsBD6j_rA

[Todd]

You can thank me later. (http://www.fee.org/pdf/books/Economics_in_one_lesson.pdf)

lol...I appreciate it.

I just think it's a good idea for us to lay out the rationale for why we think the way we do when confronted with statements like hers.

Sometimes one of the things I struggle with is that based on my personal morality I would willingly contribute to a society in the ways she outlines...so what she says makes some sense. I want to give back to my fellow man. My problem is that she comes from a stance of doing it against anothers will. I guess I knew the answer already..

[Diashi]

theme song, Born Free? I can live with that...

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LOL! Went to get the youtube, and check out the top comments -- I didn't put it there, I swear!! I will add a moneybomb comment though, for those who want to thumb it up...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISWOrI0WaLs

I prefer Kid Rock's


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbrtaNiQMs

[Zap!]

So why was my post deleted where I said good for Ron Paul, and that we shouldn't make friends and try to court liberals?

[LibertyEagle]

If you haven't seen Stossel's show on Stupid in America, it's well worth watching. It shows how charter schools are knocking the socks off of government-sponsored education and they are doing it with less money and with many kids who were seen by public school teachers as slow.

[sailingaway]

So why was my post deleted where I said good for Ron Paul, and that we shouldn't make friends and try to court liberals?

Because you were insulting.

[emazur]

I genuienly wish to know more philosophically about how she is wrong about this.

A guy like Schiff could easily pay for his own police/education/firemen for far less than the shakedown he's getting from government, and could use the saved money to grow his business and hire employees which is good for the economy. Or just stuff buy gold and stuff it under his mattress - its his choice and he shouldn't have to justify it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSadCyMu_Dk

[sailingaway]

A guy like Schiff could easily pay for his own police/education/firemen for far less than the shakedown he's getting from government, and could use the saved money to grow his business and hire employees which is good for the economy. Or just stuff buy gold and stuff it under his mattress - its his choice and he shouldn't have to justify it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSadCyMu_Dk

more to the point imho, EVERYONE gets to use roads and police services and everyone already pays -- and progressively according to income, according to our current tax code. What should some owe more than others who use the same thing and didn't make as good a use? It is a very subjective idea 'how much should someone pay' for general services used by all, and she is trying to create an objective 'law' on it, calling it a 'social contract' when in fact she is just proposing it BECOME a prevailing view. Ask those who are successful if they agreed to any such contract. She has her personal opinion and is trying to present it as a truism.

[mello]

This statement really bugs me:

She said: "No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own -- nobody." She said even a factory owner who became wealthy used public goods like roads, police and fire, and public education. She added: "Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along."

Where does she think the government got the money to make those roads or pay for police, firemen & schools? The money came from taxing those wealthy business owners & their employees.

[Zap!]

Because you were insulting.

Well I won't do that anymore. I apologize, I thought we only weren't allowed to insult libertarians and conservatives. I didn't know we couldn't insult liberals, my mistake. :)

[anewvoice]

I prefer Kid Rock's


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbrtaNiQMs

This is the one I thought of when he said it, guess the other one makes alot more sense though. :) I was giving Ron Paul some Detroit cred there!!

[sailingaway]

I prefer Kid Rock's


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbrtaNiQMs

I just youtubed the one with most views and got what came up. Apparently a bunch of other Ron Paulers were there before me, from the comments!