Talk to me about ICLEI and Agenda 21

[GunnyFreedom]

I'm in and out of session for the next several hours, and am giving a talk to TeaPublicans tonight at 7PM on Agenda 21 and ICLEI.

I'm pulling up massive tons of pretty frightening information...but it's like drinking from a fire-hose. Nothing I can distill into a 30 minute chat by tonight at 7PM, and certainly no indication of how to fight it.

So if anybody if familiar enough with ICLEI and Agenda 21 to sketch up a framework on how to talk to conservatives about it, I can hang some of the meat I'm getting online on that framework and have something useful to say tonight at 7.

Moreover, if you have ideas on how to combat it, I'm all ears...

In and out of session doing a redistricting fix, so responses will be spotty...

[pcosmar]

Moreover, if you have ideas on how to combat it, I'm all ears...



Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.(distilled as it gets)

There are literally days (weeks) worth of information. Hours and hours of videos.
All of it going back (traced far enough) to the late 1800s and socialist thought. over 100 years of "progress" to this point.

[GunnyFreedom]

Get the US out of the UN and the UN out of the US.(distilled as it gets)

There are literally days (weeks) worth of information. Hours and hours of videos.
All of it going back (traced far enough) to the late 1800s and socialist thought. over 100 years of "progress" to this point.

I agree with get out of the UN, but these things are kinda being back-doored in through local councils at the county and municipal level. Only real defense I see at MY level (being that I'd have to be in Congress to talk about leaving the UN) is educating the electorate to vote out any mayor, councillor, or commissioner that participates in ICLEI conferences, and vote in any mayor, councillor, or commissioner that pledges to withdraw support from ICLEI.

I don't even know what ICLEI stands for...lol

[libertyjam]

ICLEI was founded in 1990 as the 'International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives'

The Council was established when more than 200 local governments from 43 countries convened at our inaugural conference, the World Congress of Local Governments for a Sustainable Future, at the United Nations in New York.

The organization's name is 'ICLEI - Local Governments for Sustainability'. In 2003, ICLEI's Members voted to revise the organization's mission, charter and name to better reflect the current challenges local governments are facing. The 'International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives' became 'ICLEI - Local Governments for Sustainability' with a broader mandate to address sustainability issues.


-- So, it looks like a minority of local governments got together and decided they were going to decide how the rest of the world should operate and use the land.

I'm sure they have come up with some pretty good ideas, But the whole thing is just so totalitarian.

[libertyjam]

Agenda21

Agenda 21 is a comprehensive plan of action to be taken globally, nationally and locally by organizations of the United Nations System, Governments, and Major Groups in every area in which human impacts on the environment.

Agenda 21, the Rio Declaration on Environment and Development, and the Statement of principles for the Sustainable Management of Forests were adopted by more than 178 Governments at the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development (UNCED) held in Rio de Janerio, Brazil, 3 to 14 June 1992.

The Commission on Sustainable Development (CSD) was created in December 1992 to ensure effective follow-up of UNCED, to monitor and report on implementation of the agreements at the local, national, regional and international levels. It was agreed that a five year review of Earth Summit progress would be made in 1997 by the United Nations General Assembly meeting in special session.

The full implementation of Agenda 21, the Programme for Further Implementation of Agenda 21 and the Commitments to the Rio principles, were strongly reaffirmed at the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD) held in Johannesburg, South Africa from 26 August to 4 September 2002.

http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/

[Travlyr]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5tX7sYDVUI&feature=related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5tX7sYDVUI&feature=related

This video seems informative.

From our December 2010 meeting, Donna Holt of Campaign for Liberty lays out what the U.N.'s Agenda 21 means to private property rights. She discusses the reasons and methods for the implementation of Agenda 21.

[evadmurd]

http://www.freedomadvocates.org
http://americanpolicy.org/
www.americadontforget.com

This is settling in in east Tennessee. Our senators (Alexander and Corker) just gave more local land to the feds around Great Smoky National Park. It's incredible. The insidious aspect of it is that it is very slow moving with 20-40+ goals. Boiling them frogs. It has to be fought on a local level, so getting involved with city councils and commissions are essential.

[GunnyFreedom]

This stuff is deeply disturbing. I just surveyed the junior and senior membership of the NC General Assembly, and only a few have even heard of it, nobody knows much about it, and allegedly North Carolina is one of the premier compliant States in the US. How are we one of the primary states for this, and the General Assembly knows basically nothing about it...even those who have been here for decades....

[Anti Federalist]

This stuff is deeply disturbing. I just surveyed the junior and senior membership of the NC General Assembly, and only a few have even heard of it, nobody knows much about it, and allegedly North Carolina is one of the premier compliant States in the US. How are we one of the primary states for this, and the General Assembly knows basically nothing about it...even those who have been here for decades....

That's putting mildly.

This is all around, it's the globalist takeover as spelled out and warned about 60 years ago.

UN blue helmets aren't going to hut-hut into town to take it over, local "progressives" will vote the agenda into place in toto, thus giving it force of law and the appearance of "democracy".

This process is repeated at the state and local level, all written by UN bureaucrats that are completely and totally unaccountable to any election, recall or plebiscite.

For all intents and purposes, we have already lost any sovereign control of airlines and maritime regulations.

ICAO and IMO, both branches of the UN, regulate those sectors completely.

Our congress is really nothing more than a vestigial, rubber stamp, anachronism.

[GunnyFreedom]

I've been drinking from a firehose on this since 6AM this morning, and I have to speak for 30 mins tonight at 7.

I particularly appreciate what libertyjam has done by providing basically a kind of structure from which I can form a talking point outline to speak on tonight.

[Travlyr]

This stuff is deeply disturbing. I just surveyed the junior and senior membership of the NC General Assembly, and only a few have even heard of it, nobody knows much about it, and allegedly North Carolina is one of the premier compliant States in the US. How are we one of the primary states for this, and the General Assembly knows basically nothing about it...even those who have been here for decades....Not participating has not worked well. More and more liberty fighters are needed in local governments as central planners have infiltrated at the city and county levels.

[Simple]

I was taught about Agenda 21 in the college classroom in a Geography class.

Agenda 21 challenges our national sovereignty, our Constitution, and embraces central control on a global scale in order to save us from ourselves. They want to control our land planning and environmental controls. They are advocating for redistributing our wealth, socialized medicine, socialized housing, promoting trade unions, controlling climate science, and the development of international law to protect 'sustainable development' aka central planning.

The U.N. Environmental Program is estimating the costs of the world going green to be around 76 trillion or 1 1/2 times the World's GDP. So besides national soverignty and our rule of law, the deal breaker is that we just plain can't afford it.
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/un-says-going-green-will-cost-76-trillion

[GunnyFreedom]

Not participating has not worked well. More and more liberty fighters are needed in local governments as central planners have infiltrated at the city and county levels.

It's even more important at the county commissions and municipal races, if Agenda 21 is the specific object, as that's where the pressure is coming from. From the NCGA it's still under the radar. We don't even see Agenda 21 up here.

[GunnyFreedom]

I was taught about Agenda 21 in the college classroom in a Geography class.

Agenda 21 challenges our national sovereignty, our Constitution, and embraces central control on a global scale in order to save us from ourselves. They want to control our land planning and environmental controls. They are advocating for redistributing our wealth, socialized medicine, socialized housing, promoting trade unions, controlling climate science, and the development of international law to protect 'sustainable development' aka central planning.

The U.N. Environmental Program is estimating the costs of the world going green to be around 76 trillion or 1 1/2 times the World's GDP. So besides national soverignty and our rule of law, the deal breaker is that we just plain can't afford it.
http://www.ihatethemedia.com/un-says-going-green-will-cost-76-trillion

Indeed, I find it extremely disturbing...even more disturbing is the fact that my State is the top-model for Agenda 21 in the US and nobody in the NCGA knows anything about it. This is a blatant attack on the sovereignty of the United States, and our municipalities, particularly Raleigh and Charlotte, are leading the way for the whole planet.

[GeorgiaAvenger]

I found this http://www.wethepeoplenation.com/forumdisplay.php?359-Agenda-21

[PatriotOne]

Agenda 21 For Dummies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzEEgtOFFlM

[PatriotOne]

You will never be able to talk intelligently on Agenda 21 tonight. It is vast and frightening. You need to find one of the many experts speaking out on the subject and get them to get you up to speed on it.

[GunnyFreedom]

You will never be able to talk intelligently on Agenda 21 tonight. It is vast and frightening. You need to find one of the many experts speaking out on the subject and get them to get you up to speed on it.

You'd be surprised what passes for "intelligently" in the political realm. LOL probably not, actually.

I may end up getting rescheduled though, as tonight's adjournment resolution it playing out to be very contentious.

[PatriotOne]

You'd be surprised what passes for "intelligently" in the political realm. LOL probably not, actually.

I may end up getting rescheduled though, as tonight's adjournment resolution it playing out to be very contentious.

Pray for postponement. Are you allowed to show a film instead of speaking?

[PatriotOne]

You'd be surprised what passes for "intelligently" in the political realm. LOL probably not, actually.

No I wouldn't be surprised, but I do expect you to be the sharpest crayon in the box :p

[GunnyFreedom]

Pray for postponement. Are you allowed to show a film instead of speaking?

Well, I'm supposed to speak at 7, and we reconvene at 7 for a contentious resolution, and the meeting is 30 minutes away. So, it looks 90% some-odd that I am not going to make it today. I have another meeting on Nov 12th where Tom DeWeese will be presenting on Agenda 21, and he seems to be one of the top experts on the subject.

My focus right now is finding some means of fighting it.

[PatriotOne]

I have another meeting on Nov 12th where Tom DeWeese will be presenting on Agenda 21, and he seems to be one of the top experts on the subject.

My focus right now is finding some means of fighting it.

Fabulous! You might want to print this out from his website just in case:

AGENDA 21 IN ONE EASY LESSON

http://newswithviews.com/DeWeese/tom194.htm

by Tom DeWeese
April 6, 2011
NewsWithViews.com

Awareness of Agenda 21 and Sustainable Development is racing across the nation as citizens in community after community are learning what their city planners are actually up to. As awareness grows, I am receiving more and more calls for tools to help activists fight back. Many complain that elected officials just won't read detailed reports or watch long videos. "Can you give us something that is quick, and easy to read that we can hand out," I'm asked.

So here it is. A one page, quick description of Agenda 21 that fits on one page. I've also included for the back side of your hand out a list of quotes for the perpetrators of Agenda 21 that should back up my brief descriptions.

A word of caution, use this as a started kit, but do not allow it to be your only knowledge of this very complex subject. To kill it you have to know the facts. Research, know your details; discover the NGO players in your community; identify who is victimized by the policies and recruit them to your fight; and then kill Agenda 21. That's how it must be done. The information below is only your first step. Happy hunting.

What is Sustainable Development?

According to its authors, the objective of sustainable development is to integrate economic, social and environmental policies in order to achieve reduced consumption, social equity, and the preservation and restoration of biodiversity. Sustainablists insist that every societal decision be based on environmental impact, focusing on three components; global land use, global education, and global population control and reduction.

Social Equity (Social Justice)

Social justice is described as the right and opportunity of all people “to benefit equally from the resources afforded us by society and the environment.” Redistribution of wealth. Private property is a social injustice since not everyone can build wealth from it. National sovereignty is a social injustice. Universal health care is a social justice. All part of Agenda 21 policy.

Economic Prosperity

Public Private Partnerships (PPP). Special dealings between government and certain, chosen corporations which get tax breaks, grants and the government’s power of Eminent Domain to implement sustainable policy. Government-sanctioned monopolies.

Local Sustainable Development policies

Smart Growth, Wildlands Project, Resilient Cities, Regional Visioning Projects, STAR Sustainable Communities, Green jobs, Green Building Codes, “Going Green,” Alternative Energy, Local Visioning, facilitators, regional planning, historic preservation, conservation easements, development rights, sustainable farming, comprehensive planning, growth management, consensus.

Who is behind it?

ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability (formally, International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives). Communities pay ICLEI dues to provide “local” community plans, software, training, etc. Addition groups include American Planning Council, The Renaissance Planning Group, International City/ County Management Group, aided by US Mayors Conference, National Governors Association, National League of Cities, National Association of County Administrators and many more private organizations and official government agencies. Foundation and government grants drive the process.

Where did it originate?

The term Sustainable Development was first introduced to the world in the pages a 1987 report (Our Common Future) produced by the United Nations World Commission on Environmental and Development, authored by Gro Harlem Brundtland, VP of the World Socialist Party. The term was first offered as official UN policy in 1992, in a document called UN Sustainable Development Agenda 21, issued at the UN’s Earth Summit, today referred to simply as Agenda 21.

What gives Agenda 21 Ruling Authority?

More than 178 nations adopted Agenda 21 as official policy during a signing ceremony at the Earth Summit. US president George H.W. Bush signed the document for the US. In signing, each nation pledge to adopt the goals of Agenda 21. In 1995, President Bill Clinton, in compliance with Agenda 21, signed Executive Order #12858 to create the President’s Council on Sustainable Development in order to “harmonize” US environmental policy with UN directives as outlined in Agenda 21. The EO directed all agencies of the Federal Government to work with state and local community governments in a joint effort “reinvent” government using the guidelines outlined in Agenda 21. As a result, with the assistance of groups like ICLEI, Sustainable Development is now emerging as government policy in every town, county and state in the nation.

Revealing Quotes From the Planners

“Agenda 21 proposes an array of actions which are intended to be implemented by EVERY person on Earth…it calls for specific changes in the activities of ALL people… Effective execution of Agenda 21 will REQUIRE a profound reorientation of ALL humans, unlike anything the world has ever experienced… ” -Agenda 21: The Earth Summit Strategy to Save Our Planet (Earthpress, 1993). Emphases – DR

Urgent to implement – but we don’t know what it is!

“The realities of life on our planet dictate that continued economic development as we know it cannot be sustained…Sustainable development, therefore is a program of action for local and global economic reform – a program that has yet to be fully defined.” -The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

“No one fully understands how or even, if, sustainable development can be achieved; however, there is growing consensus that it must be accomplished at the local level if it is ever to be achieved on a global basis.” -The Local Agenda 21 Planning Guide, published by ICLEI, 1996.

Agenda 21 and Private Property

“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principle instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social justice.” -From the report from the 1976 UN’s Habitat I Conference.

“Private land use decisions are often driven by strong economic incentives that result in several ecological and aesthetic consequences…The key to overcoming it is through public policy…” -Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, page 112.

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” -Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992.

Reinvention of Government

“We need a new collaborative decision process that leads to better decisions, more rapid change, and more sensible use of human, natural and financial resources in achieving our goals.” -Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development

“Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” -Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project

“We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres or presently settled land.” -Dave Foreman, Earth First.

[lynnf]

Well, I'm supposed to speak at 7, and we reconvene at 7 for a contentious resolution, and the meeting is 30 minutes away. So, it looks 90% some-odd that I am not going to make it today. I have another meeting on Nov 12th where Tom DeWeese will be presenting on Agenda 21, and he seems to be one of the top experts on the subject.

My focus right now is finding some means of fighting it.

one way that it grows is through grants. kill the grants and you stop feeding it, and it dies on the vine provided they don't completely replace the grants with local taxes.

facebook site: https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/crushagenda21/

lynn

[flightlesskiwi]

oh gosh, Gunny... you are opening pandora's box.

please keep digging!!! even after (if it happens) your meeting.

i have a couple contacts i can put you in touch with that are experts on sustainable development/agenda 21/non-governmental organizations (NGO's). PM me if you are interested.

[Seraphim]

Yay for distopian harmony.

Let's harmonize the world and it's people into coastal stack and pack communities - at the barrel of a gun.

SHUT YOUR MOUTH MUNDANE, DON'T YOU WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD?!!?!??

[Seraphim]

Fuck me sideways and call me Nancy:

Agenda 21 and Private Property

“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principle instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social justice.” -From the report from the 1976 UN’s Habitat I Conference.

“Private land use decisions are often driven by strong economic incentives that result in several ecological and aesthetic consequences…The key to overcoming it is through public policy…” -Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, page 112.

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” -Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992.

Reinvention of Government

“We need a new collaborative decision process that leads to better decisions, more rapid change, and more sensible use of human, natural and financial resources in achieving our goals.” -Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development

“Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” -Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project

“We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres or presently settled land.” -Dave Foreman, Earth First.

[specsaregood]

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I particularly appreciate what libertyjam has done by providing basically a kind of structure from which I can form a talking point outline to speak on tonight.

The local JBS leader/RP guy has an excellent powerpoint presentation on the subject. PM me if you want me to put you in touch with him; perhaps he can send it over to you.

[Anti Federalist]

You just now overturning this particular rock?

Nasty little fuckers crawling around under this one.

Our future:


The Rise of the Megacity

Jakarta, Lagos, and Sao Paolo, and other massive population centers are changing the way we think about cities.

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/ft/2011/11/the_rise_of_the_megacity_.html


The only way you'll scenes of pastoral natural beauty is this way, Mundane.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYTIgcMRdbU&feature=related



Yay for distopian harmony.

Let's harmonize the world and it's people into coastal stack and pack communities - at the barrel of a gun.

SHUT YOUR MOUTH MUNDANE, DON'T YOU WANT TO SAVE THE WORLD?!!?!??


Fuck me sideways and call me Nancy:

Agenda 21 and Private Property

“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership is also a principle instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth, therefore contributes to social justice.” -From the report from the 1976 UN’s Habitat I Conference.

“Private land use decisions are often driven by strong economic incentives that result in several ecological and aesthetic consequences…The key to overcoming it is through public policy…” -Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development, page 112.

“Current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class – involving high meat intake, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work air conditioning, and suburban housing are not sustainable.” -Maurice Strong, Secretary General of the UN’s Earth Summit, 1992.

Reinvention of Government

“We need a new collaborative decision process that leads to better decisions, more rapid change, and more sensible use of human, natural and financial resources in achieving our goals.” -Report from the President’s Council on Sustainable Development

“Individual rights will have to take a back seat to the collective.” -Harvey Ruvin, Vice Chairman, ICLEI. The Wildlands Project

“We must make this place an insecure and inhospitable place for Capitalists and their projects – we must reclaim the roads and plowed lands, halt dam construction, tear down existing dams, free shackled rivers and return to wilderness millions of tens of millions of acres or presently settled land.” -Dave Foreman, Earth First.

[nobody's_hero]

Good post, patriotOne. I hadn't really considered reading into Agenda 21 until Gunny said he was going to fight against it. And I had the same problem, it just seemed like too much to digest.

I don't like it.

But, to Gunny:

People really need to understand the purpose of sovereignty before even trying to bring something like Agenda 21 into the mix. I'd start by trying to educate folks as much as possible on what it means to have 'we the people' influencing government from the bottom-up, rather than having the U.N./multinational organizations influence government (state, local, federal) from the top-down.

They don't teach sovereignty in school anymore so I'd focus more on prepping the audience with some good old fashioned American political science (not the socialist bullcrap they teach on public campuses), and let some guest speakers do the talking on Agenda 21 itself. Unless you feel confident by the due date, in which case, talk about both.

[GunnyFreedom]

You just now overturning this particular rock?

Nasty little fuckers crawling around under this one.



No, but I'm just now digging into enough detail to talk for 30 minutes on it. The talk was postponed until December because session ran past 8PM, so I have more time to study it and come up with something really good.

I had looked into it before, but it was so complicated with no obvious answers on 'what to do about it' that I kinda took the "grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change" attitude. Not that I accepted it, but there was nothing I could see to DO about it so I left it lay.

Now I'm going to be talking to core activists and maybe there is something I can do about it, so I'm doubling down on the research.

thanks for all the information, I will keep researching it, but I just got home from an 8 hour session and it's taken the wind out of my sails, so I'm off to the land of nod for now. I will continue to engage this thread tomorrow.

thanks all!

[Working Poor]

Gosh Gunny I sure will be praying that the ones you present this to will listen and help you do something about it.

[libertyjam]

I've been drinking from a firehose on this since 6AM this morning, and I have to speak for 30 mins tonight at 7.

I particularly appreciate what libertyjam has done by providing basically a kind of structure from which I can form a talking point outline to speak on tonight.

:)

[lynnf]

check into COGs and MPOs - Councils of Governments (voluntary) and Metropolitan Planning Organizations (mandated by Federal law) also.

[vechorik]

Google "Democrats Against Agenda 21" and you'll find tons of talking points. CA is eaten alive with it already and we can see what it's doing there.

When I learned about Agenda 21 and ICELI is when I first put the global government thing together and started supporting Dr. Paul (about 6 months ago).

What led me there was "Why didn't Bush II close the border? Why isn't Obama closing the border? Why are we in constant war?"
Agenda 21 made everything clear.
Good luck -- Let me know how to follow (help) what you're doing.

I keep suggesting Dr. Paul tell people to research United Nations Agenda 21 before they vote.
That's also what led me to know that some Repubs and most Dems support it.