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Paulistinian
11-04-2011, 09:03 PM
Guys, we need to send some positive love to Cain's face book... a lot of Paul supporters have been going there talking trash and it's creating animosity. I have been trolling for a few weeks pretending to be a Cain supporter whose second choice is Ron Paul. We need to convince Cain supporters to choose Ron as their second choice, because it won't be long before Cain drops out and we don't want them to all flood to Gingrich, which they WILL if Paul supporters keep pissing them off.... So head over to the Herman Cain face book and show that we are intelligent and respectful.

http://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain?sk=wall&filter=12

bolidew
11-04-2011, 09:06 PM
They probably know "No one but Paul" story though.....

Paulistinian
11-04-2011, 09:15 PM
You can still go there as a respectful Paul supporter. Cain supporters are just like us, except that when Cain is out of the race, most of them will find someone else to get behind and from what I am seeing it will be Gingrich. I recommend all of us go to the Cain face book and represent Ron Paul in an intelligent and respectful manner, or be like me and pretend to be a Cain supporter with Ron Paul as a second choice and explain an intelligent case why Ron Paul is a good second choice for someone who wants a Conservative in the White House.

sailingaway
11-04-2011, 09:16 PM
I definitely wouldn't talk trash there, or attack anyone. But I'm not going to like the guy's page to post there, either.

sailingaway
11-04-2011, 09:17 PM
They probably know "No one but Paul" story though.....

that's those specific people, not 'the group as a whole'.

Paulistinian
11-04-2011, 09:18 PM
I definitely wouldn't talk trash there, or attack anyone. But I'm not going to like the guy's page to post there, either.

You don't have to "like" it... I haven't... just select his wall on the left menu column. I have been posting there for weeks and have not ever clicked "like".

Give me liberty
11-04-2011, 09:55 PM
I definitely wouldn't talk trash there, or attack anyone. But I'm not going to like the guy's page to post there, either.
Agreed its not worth the effort.

sailingaway
11-04-2011, 10:09 PM
I don't like pretending I'm someone else. I might take a look at it tomorrow and see what's up. I don't have to say who I am at all, I guess.

ninepointfive
11-04-2011, 10:15 PM
I guess I'm finally starting to realize the blowback from being rude. I admit I've done it a couple times in the past year. Try to make a positive feedback loop! remember the blowback principle!

parocks
11-04-2011, 10:25 PM
Guys, we need to send some positive love to Cain's face book... a lot of Paul supporters have been going there talking trash and it's creating animosity. I have been trolling for a few weeks pretending to be a Cain supporter whose second choice is Ron Paul. We need to convince Cain supporters to choose Ron as their second choice, because it won't be long before Cain drops out and we don't want them to all flood to Gingrich, which they WILL if Paul supporters keep pissing them off.... So head over to the Herman Cain face book and show that we are intelligent and respectful.

http://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain?sk=wall&filter=12


Cain is Thompson, Gingrich is Cain.

Some debate, Cain is just going to flat out say how brilliant Gingrich is.
Cain knows that he really doesn't deserve that gold watch for legendary service to the Republican Party.

If you're going to play "let's pretend", pretend to be Gingrich supporters, and simply say "the only thing wrong with Gingrich is his sex problems. Now Cain has em. Why don't you just support Gingrich".

You know that both Cain and Gingrich want to move supporters from Cain to Gingrich. Get in their way.

fearthereaperx
11-04-2011, 10:39 PM
Just treat Cain's Wall the same way you would treat your girlfriend when she's mad.

wstrucke
11-04-2011, 10:48 PM
Just treat Cain's Wall the same way you would treat your girlfriend when she's mad.

Buy them flowers?

Paulistinian
11-04-2011, 11:23 PM
I know most Cain supporters will switch to Gingrich but it will be important for Ron to collect some of the Cain fallout too... from what I see on the Cain facebook are a bunch of people who will NEVER VOTE RON PAUL ONLY BECAUSE they think his supporters are pushy jerks... So, it can't hurt for us, the grassroots on the web to spend some time trying to counter that perception- even if it has only a minor impact, it will still help Paul in the ballot booths..

coffeewithchess
11-04-2011, 11:35 PM
I know most Cain supporters will switch to Gingrich but it will be important for Ron to collect some of the Cain fallout too... from what I see on the Cain facebook are a bunch of people who will NEVER VOTE RON PAUL ONLY BECAUSE they think his supporters are pushy jerks... So, it can't hurt for us, the grassroots on the web to spend some time trying to counter that perception- even if it has only a minor impact, it will still help Paul in the ballot booths..

Okay, I know this is politics, and I don't know many supporters of candidates that will NOT push for their candidate...so how do you find common ground, and not be like a jerk as they call some of us?
RP's campaign was the first out of the gate in taking the "high road" on the Cain harassment issue, and if that didn't get respect, I don't know what else will. Also, I think it's interesting that other candidates' supporters won't back RP, supposedly because of RP's supporters, yet....most of us won't support the other candidates because of their positions/lack of positions on topics, not because of their supporters.

Keith and stuff
11-05-2011, 12:05 AM
Guys, we need to send some positive love to Cain's face book... a lot of Paul supporters have been going there talking trash and it's creating animosity.

Yeah, it is really hard. Quite a few Ron Paul supporters know almost nothing about effective politics. Some of them even refuse to learn. They continue to damage Paul day in and day out. We even have them in NH. My guess is that Paul would finish 2-3 points better in the final numbers if it wasn't for the poorly training Paul supports that continue to damage his campaign. Campaign for Liberty and Young Americans for Liberty continue to try to help these supporters be useful instead of a drain on campaigns.

Personally, I'm not going to post on his page but I like your idea of being a Cain supporter on it and thinking Paul is your second choice. Of course, that isn't honest. I don't think it actually hurts the campaign though. Thanks for looking out and trying to make a difference.

Instead of posting on Cain's wall, it may be more useful to PM the Paul supporters that troll Cain's wall. Ask them to stop hurting the campaign and to remove there damaging posts. However, my guess is many of them will not listen to reason.

low preference guy
11-05-2011, 12:08 AM
Instead of posting on Cain's wall, it may be more useful to PM the Paul supporters that troll Cain's wall. Ask them to stop hurting the campaign and to remove there damaging posts. However, my guess is many of them will not listen to reason.

And some of them might be even paid by Mitt Romney.

LBennett76
11-05-2011, 12:12 AM
I've been following the facebook Cain site for months. They are nuts and they are anybody but Paul people. They scare me and I can honestly say that I don't think I want them on my side. Yeah... stay positive, do what's best for the campaign blah blah blah. What's best for the future of this nation is to keep these people far far away.

Tod
11-05-2011, 12:19 AM
Interesting article from the Des Moines Register!

http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/11/04/iowa-poll-many-think-cains-9-9-9-plan-would-help-them/



https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/273986_1154891722_411276492_q.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/iegirlie)Melissa Vitrano (https://www.facebook.com/iegirlie) Bottom line.....WRONG!
https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-ash2/273986_1154891722_411276492_q.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/iegirlie)Melissa Vitrano (https://www.facebook.com/iegirlie) Bottom line.... They did there own homework!
https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/49231_1300614702_6311_q.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1300614702)Keith Young (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1300614702) Completely wrong but funny...lol5 minutes ago





Denial is rampant in the Cain camp.

low preference guy
11-05-2011, 12:22 AM
Denial is rampant in the Cain camp.

Denial of the TARP support? I think that's the most important issue. There is no doubt he supported TARP like the other issue; he admitted it himself.

Tod
11-05-2011, 12:25 AM
I've been following the facebook Cain site for months. They are nuts and they are anybody but Paul people. They scare me and I can honestly say that I don't think I want them on my side. Yeah... stay positive, do what's best for the campaign blah blah blah. What's best for the future of this nation is to keep these people far far away.

I know what you mean!

BTW, my mom grew up not too far from Barnesville.....close to Mt. Ephraim.

parocks
11-05-2011, 12:26 AM
I just went over there, and you know what, you don't have to mention Ron Paul at all. And there are people there pretending to be annoying Ron Paul supporters.
Or they're annoying Ron Paul supporters.

How about trashing candidates not Cain or Paul?

That doesn't piss anyone off, and when Cain falls, they'll hate all the other candidates.

Tod
11-05-2011, 12:27 AM
Denial of the TARP support? I think that's the most important issue. There is no doubt he supported TARP like the other issue; he admitted it himself.

Just about everything. When TARP is brought up, they say...well, at first he did, but he ultimately decided it wasn't good and didn't support it.

low preference guy
11-05-2011, 12:30 AM
Just about everything. When TARP is brought up, they say...well, at first he did, but he ultimately decided it wasn't good and didn't support it.

What about the housing bubble? Did you show them the quotes, where he said that everything was fine 6 days before the collapse?

Links about Cain and the housing bubble from TomWoods.com (http://www.tomwoods.com/cain/)

For Cain on the housing bubble, see Herman Cain, “The Media Say the Economy Is Horrible, So It Must Be True.” (http://www.mrc.org/bmi/commentary/2005/Commentary_The_Media_Say_the_Economy_Is_Horrible_S o_It_Must_Be_True.html)

For Cain on the economy in 2006, see Herman Cain, “More Economic Bull from Media Bears.” (http://www.mrc.org/bmi/commentary/2006/More_Economic_Bull_from_Media_Bears.html)

For Cain on the economy on September 1, 2008 [!!], as the collapse was on our doorstep, see Herman Cain, “Economic Growth Surges, But Democrats Ignore the Truth Again.” (http://004eeb5.netsolhost.com/hc126.htm)

parocks
11-05-2011, 12:32 AM
Okay, I know this is politics, and I don't know many supporters of candidates that will NOT push for their candidate...so how do you find common ground, and not be like a jerk as they call some of us?
RP's campaign was the first out of the gate in taking the "high road" on the Cain harassment issue, and if that didn't get respect, I don't know what else will. Also, I think it's interesting that other candidates' supporters won't back RP, supposedly because of RP's supporters, yet....most of us won't support the other candidates because of their positions/lack of positions on topics, not because of their supporters.

Just looking at Cains facebook. Ron Paul supporters, or people pretending to be Ron Paul supporters, are annoying. Stop talking about Ron Paul.

Try 1) Trashing Cain. Try 2) Trashing someone else. Try 3) dispassionate analysis. Try 1), 2), and 3).

But "hey Herman Cain fans, watch this Ron Paul youtube clip" is annoying. That's a fact. It's spam. I'm on there, treating it like freerepublic with no JimRob to worry about pissing off, and there's this annoying Ron Paul supporter throwing in off topic Ron Paul stuff. I'm thinking "go away".

Paulistinian
11-05-2011, 12:33 AM
Someone shared a screenshot... Melissa Vitrano is someone whom I feel I have convinced to take Paul as a 2nd choice. She is an abnoxious Cain person, but who cares so long as she votes for Paul once that guy drops out.

I like your idea of trashing the other candidates, I suppose focusing on Romney and Gingrich...

I shared the video of Ron Paul defending Cain a couple times and always got a ton of positive replies, and a lot of people surprised... but what did they always say? I like Ron Paul hes a gentleman, but his supporters are idiots... It wouldn't hurt for some of you guys to share that Paul defending Cain video, so it isn't just me out there posting the same stuff over and over.

Tod
11-05-2011, 12:36 AM
Someone shared a screenshot... Melissa Vitrano is someone whom I feel I have convinced to take Paul as a 2nd choice. She is an abnoxious Cain person, but who cares so long as she votes for Paul once that guy drops out.

I like your idea of trashing the other candidates, I suppose focusing on Romney and Gingrich...

I shared the video of Ron Paul defending Cain a couple times and always got a ton of positive replies, and a lot of people surprised... but what did they always say? I like Ron Paul hes a gentleman, but his supporters are idiots... It wouldn't hurt for some of you guys to share that Paul defending Cain video, so it isn't just me out there posting the same stuff over and over.

Do you have the tube you used? Thanks!

bolidew
11-05-2011, 12:39 AM
But "hey Herman Cain fans, watch this Ron Paul youtube clip" is annoying. That's a fact. It's spam. I'm on there, treating it like freerepublic with no JimRob to worry about pissing off, and there's this annoying Ron Paul supporter throwing in off topic Ron Paul stuff. I'm thinking "go away".
Some people here think it is one way to "promote" money bombs though.

libertybrewcity
11-05-2011, 12:41 AM
But trolling is fuN!!!

Tod
11-05-2011, 12:42 AM
Then there is this.....Do they really not know about the love-fest between Romney & Cain???


Not only will the MSM not recognize Herman Cain as the front runner, as they continue to push Mitt Romney as the chosen candidate, but now they attempt at falsely accusing him of of sexual harassment. The guy who reported the story when asked for details of the allegations, he's been less than forthcoming. This has the appearance of the media continuing to carry Obama's water and trash whichever R...See More



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https://fbcdn-profile-a.akamaihd.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/273520_1648938205_671729223_q.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1648938205)Tod Mills (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1648938205) Yeah, don't you just despise that Mitt Romney? Him and the weeble dude. lol
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Tod
11-05-2011, 12:47 AM
Here's a scoundrel-ish idea if there ever was one: Sign up to volunteer for other campaigns and then don't. Oh, I'm going to roast for that one!

Paulistinian
11-05-2011, 12:50 AM
Do you have the tube you used? Thanks!

http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/11/ron-paul-with-megyn-kelly-on-america-live-nov-2-2011/

It is the entire interview, which works when you post it as RON PAUL Defends HERMAN on FOX! WOW!!... that way, they have to sit through a whole interview that is a very strong Paul interview where he demonstrates his Conservative values before it gets to him defending Cain.

Tod
11-05-2011, 12:59 AM
http://ronpaulflix.com/2011/11/ron-paul-with-megyn-kelly-on-america-live-nov-2-2011/

It is the entire interview, which works when you post it as RON PAUL Defends HERMAN on FOX! WOW!!... that way, they have to sit through a whole interview that is a very strong Paul interview where he demonstrates his Conservative values before it gets to him defending Cain.

hehehe....thanks!

affa
11-05-2011, 01:03 AM
reading cain supporters ridiculous logic hurts my head too much.

heck, i need to give up on the internet altogether, really. i try to stay sane. it becomes harder, whenever i see people support perry/cain/etc.

parocks
11-05-2011, 01:07 AM
Someone shared a screenshot... Melissa Vitrano is someone whom I feel I have convinced to take Paul as a 2nd choice. She is an abnoxious Cain person, but who cares so long as she votes for Paul once that guy drops out.

I like your idea of trashing the other candidates, I suppose focusing on Romney and Gingrich...

I shared the video of Ron Paul defending Cain a couple times and always got a ton of positive replies, and a lot of people surprised... but what did they always say? I like Ron Paul hes a gentleman, but his supporters are idiots... It wouldn't hurt for some of you guys to share that Paul defending Cain video, so it isn't just me out there posting the same stuff over and over.

Just talk about the race without mentioning Ron Paul, or mention Ron Paul within the context of a guy who is over 10% in Iowa and about 10% nationally, who shouldn't be counted out because his supporters are going to be there, and they're organized. Just a positive spin on the conventional wisdom about Paul.

Since we know that Gingrich and Cain are in this together (they're having their own debate), and we can see that Cain is trying to move his votes to Gingrich, you can develop strategies to keep Cains supporters from going straight to Gingrich.

Gingrich will DEFINITELY say something that is deeply deeply offensive to Cain and Cain's supporters. "I used to like Gingrich, but after he said what he said about Cain at that debate, I know I'll never vote for him. How insulting, and maybe even racist, for Gingrich to say that" You just have to find the thing that Gingrich says tomorrow that will fit the above sentence.

"You could almost tell that Gingrich was mocking Cain" "Gingrich was so mean to Cain. Just terrible." And if everybody focused on spreading that message, that could put a roadblock in the way of Cain to Gingrich. Let Ron Paul's TV ads speak for Ron Paul. Let Ron Paul's TV appearances, debate appearances, etc. etc. do the selling.

Tod
11-05-2011, 01:08 AM
I just posted the tube to facebook on Cain's page when someone was saying no way could he vote for cain. 2 likes in 2 minutes.

Tod Mills (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1648938205) Bobby, even Ron Paul is coming to Herman's defense, saying, "I don't think it's fair." www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJWi-TLO0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJWi-TLO0Q)https://s-external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBGprvMyjVnKRUG&w=130&h=130&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FqGJWi-TLO0Q%2Fhqdefault.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain?sk=wall&filter=1)RP on America Live 11/2/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJWi-TLO0Q)
www.youtube.com (http://www.youtube.com/)


2 minutes ago · Like · https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif 2 (https://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=10150379319714170) ·

Maybe we could team up...one guy plays a Romney *ss and another plays a Gingrich *ss and the Paul supporter comes to Cain's defense! LOL!

Paulistinian
11-05-2011, 01:10 AM
Great idea Parocks about dissing Gingrich after the debate... Cain's campaign is a cult of personality, in other words, his supporters like him not because of any of his policies but because they like HIM. Ron Paul's campaign is one of ideas, people like him because of his philosophies. So, Cain supporters are DIE HARD AS FUCK for their man, take any criticism harshly and generally hold disdain for anyone who questions Cain. Solid strategy.. I will definitely hit the wall during and after the debate. Let's turn them on Gingrich so they have no other choice but to turn to Paul over Romney.

Paulistinian
11-05-2011, 01:13 AM
Are you James Oliver?

edit-

Just saw you Tod. I am David Wayne.

IterTemporis
11-05-2011, 01:15 AM
I have been pondering as to whether or not I should make a Facebook account just to go to his official page and post an apology. Going there and bashing Herman Cain and promoting RP will accomplish nothing except negatives: It will make his supporters angry and cause them to dislike you, and because you support RP then they will dislike RP; they will not listen to you and will only attack; they could/might change their mind about Paul being their 2nd choice.

Yes, we do need to get more supporters, but going to Herman Cain's official FB page is like interventionism. We are going in there and "attacking" them, when they are just minding their own business. This makes them hate us and hate RP, because whether you like it or not, we are representing RP and people do judge RP based on his supporters. Look at how RP supporters react whenever a Cain supporter goes into RP's official FB page and bashes RP. Please stop posting hateful comments, this will only hurt RP.

Paulistinian
11-05-2011, 01:18 AM
I have been pondering as to whether or not I should make a Facebook account just to go to his official page and post an apology. Going there and bashing Herman Cain and promoting RP will accomplish nothing except negatives: It will make his supporters angry and cause them to dislike you, and because you support RP then they will dislike RP; they will not listen to you and will only attack; they could/might change their mind about Paul being their 2nd choice.

Yes, we do need to get more supporters, but going to Herman Cain's official FB page is like interventionism. We are going in there and "attacking" them, when they are just minding their own business. This makes them hate us and hate RP, because whether you like it or not, we are representing RP and people do judge RP based on his supporters. Look at how RP supporters react whenever a Cain supporter goes into RP's official FB page and bashes RP. Please stop posting hateful comments, this will only hurt RP.

I am advocating we do the OPPOSITE! We can't attack them, we, the grassroots central, needs to get in there and repair the damage that the rank & file Paulistas have done with our Cain-relations. We can catch more flies with honey than we can with vinegar.

parocks
11-05-2011, 01:31 AM
I just posted the tube to facebook on Cain's page when someone was saying no way could he vote for cain. 2 likes in 2 minutes.

Tod Mills (https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1648938205) Bobby, even Ron Paul is coming to Herman's defense, saying, "I don't think it's fair." www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJWi-TLO0Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJWi-TLO0Q)https://s-external.ak.fbcdn.net/safe_image.php?d=AQBGprvMyjVnKRUG&w=130&h=130&url=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FqGJWi-TLO0Q%2Fhqdefault.jpg (https://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain?sk=wall&filter=1)RP on America Live 11/2/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJWi-TLO0Q)
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2 minutes ago · Like · https://s-static.ak.facebook.com/rsrc.php/v1/yw/r/drP8vlvSl_8.gif 2 (https://www.facebook.com/browse/likes/?id=10150379319714170) ·

Maybe we could team up...one guy plays a Romney *ss and another plays a Gingrich *ss and the Paul supporter comes to Cain's defense! LOL!

Cain / Paul 2012 I think is as effective a one liner that can be used over there. And it goes over pretty well over there. Try that on FR,

Paulistinian
11-05-2011, 01:38 AM
Tonight we turned one person using Cain/Paul... It started with him saying: Keith Young Cain and Paul hate each other. By the end of the conversation he now says: "Keith Young The more I think about it it could work as Cain can work on economy and Paul wastefull spending and the fed".

Guess who that guy is going to pick once Cain drops out? His favorite VP pick of course... One Cainiac at a time... all it takes is being respectful.

fearthereaperx
11-05-2011, 01:51 AM
I've been advocating this a lot--Pretending to be a Cain supporter-- but don't mention Ron Paul's name or you end up losing all credibility. Be smart and clever in your comments. When one of their own begins to question the facts surrounding Cain, they all start to question it. That is the only strategy that works.

Subtlely stir up confusion and distrust in the candidate, so when the next stumble happens the thinner the foundation He has available to prop him up.

Right now, his strenghs are that he is the Anti-Romney, Outsider, Business Exec(leadership), Charismatic(Good Guy).. Front Runner. Focus on targeting those specific attributes and his foundation will crumble.

fearthereaperx
11-05-2011, 01:59 AM
Tonight we turned one person using Cain/Paul... It started with him saying: Keith Young Cain and Paul hate each other. By the end of the conversation he now says: "Keith Young The more I think about it it could work as Cain can work on economy and Paul wastefull spending and the fed".

Guess who that guy is going to pick once Cain drops out? His favorite VP pick of course... One Cainiac at a time... all it takes is being respectful.

Awesome! This idea in tandem with mine is some serious firepower.