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youngbuck
11-02-2011, 05:22 PM
Searched the forum and it looks like this hasn't been posted before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjHbDPl18Xc

dannno
11-02-2011, 05:23 PM
That's what you get.

eduardo89
11-02-2011, 05:28 PM
I wish I could see AF's smile when he sees this :D

LibertAtOnce
11-02-2011, 05:28 PM
segregation? really? and human rights? since when is it a human right to be able to enter someone elses buisness? The manager didn't want you on HIS property. Plain and simple so gtfo.

eduardo89
11-02-2011, 05:29 PM
segregation? really? and human rights? since when is it a human right to be able to enter someone elses buisness? The manager didn't want you on HIS property. Plain and simple so gtfo.

Try telling Rachel Madow that.

moreliberty
11-02-2011, 05:29 PM
Its not always the cops fault. Most cops are just middle class americans that want to protect. The training they receive these days makes them seem more like military, but this isn't there fault. They enforce the rules not make them. Its the state prosecutors who put inocent people through the process like this. And its polititians and lawyers who write these laws.

phill4paul
11-02-2011, 05:30 PM
Searched the forum and it looks like this hasn't been posted before.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjHbDPl18Xc

Could have sworn it was a while back. Still, good find.

kylejack
11-02-2011, 05:31 PM
Yeah, the entity you choose to work for is exactly the same as the race you were born. (dismissive wanking motion)

LibertAtOnce
11-02-2011, 05:31 PM
Try telling Rachel Madow that.

Oh god, please, dont metion that name I now have a headache.

kylejack
11-02-2011, 05:32 PM
Its not always the cops fault. Most cops are just middle class americans that want to protect. The training they receive these days makes them seem more like military, but this isn't there fault. They enforce the rules not make them. Its the state prosecutors who put inocent people through the process like this. And its polititians and lawyers who write these laws.
I'd be a lot more willing to believe the "few bad apples" palaver if good officers were actually informing on bad officers. Bud they almost never do.

Acala
11-02-2011, 06:26 PM
Its not always the cops fault. Most cops are just middle class americans that want to protect. The training they receive these days makes them seem more like military, but this isn't there fault. They enforce the rules not make them. Its the state prosecutors who put inocent people through the process like this. And its polititians and lawyers who write these laws.

I would say that cops fall into several categories. But MANY of them start out with psychological problems that cause them to feel the need to control and bully other people. Others want the adrenalin rush. Still others want the good pay, good benefits, and good security. Sure, there are some who are driven to protect the community. Most? I don't think so. The bad news is that nearly ALL of them are corrupted by the cop culture of "us against them" and "rules don't apply to us".

And if they choose to stay in the job after seeing what it is like, they ARE responsible.

Basically, you are making what is known as the Nuremberg Defense: "we are just following the orders given to us by politicians and lawyers". The Nuremberg Defense was rejected.

certaindeath4
11-02-2011, 06:30 PM
I'd be a lot more willing to believe the "few bad apples" palaver if good officers were actually informing on bad officers. Bud they almost never do. Agreed.

AGRP
11-02-2011, 06:38 PM
You cant claim to be a "human being" and continually cry "just doing my job" as you violate someones liberty.

heavenlyboy34
11-02-2011, 06:39 PM
I'll bump this a bit to give AF a chance to check it out.

VegasPatriot
11-02-2011, 06:52 PM
I've been a small business owner for a long time now... my first business was a donut shop back in the late 80's. We were open 24hrs and over time cops would come in during the night shift and do their paperwork. We loved them coming in and tried to give them free coffee and donuts but every time we tried to give them something free they always refused. The reason we loved them coming in was simple... free security. Not much of a chance of getting robbed with a cop there. Maybe that is one of the reasons I understand not all cops are bad. I've meet many cops and have only had a problem on a couple of occasions, but never at the donut shop. Hell, one time a cop who was a regular came rushing into the shop and asked to use the bathroom. I panicked and hesitantly said yes... hesitantly because me and my partner had just fired up a J in there a few minutes earlier. It seemed like he was in there for an eternity and when he came out he was smiling from ear to ear and shaking his head... but did not say a word about the smell. Back then in NV possession was a felony, so like I said... it's been my experience that not all cops are bad or hard asses.

BlackTerrel
11-02-2011, 07:02 PM
I would say that cops fall into several categories. But MANY of them start out with psychological problems that cause them to feel the need to control and bully other people. Others want the adrenalin rush. Still others want the good pay, good benefits, and good security. Sure, there are some who are driven to protect the community. Most? I don't think so. The bad news is that nearly ALL of them are corrupted by the cop culture of "us against them" and "rules don't apply to us".

Pretty much

JK/SEA
11-02-2011, 07:15 PM
''if there were any good cops, there wouldn't be any bad cops''......or something like that...

Anti Federalist
11-02-2011, 07:43 PM
I wish I could see AF's smile when he sees this :D


I'll bump this a bit to give AF a chance to check it out.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IARyMEG_g-E/Ta27iqzBQyI/AAAAAAAABHc/IoKH_kUqyqY/s640/EvilSmile.jpg

LibForestPaul
11-02-2011, 07:55 PM
Its far worse than good cops vs bad cops..
Is brass and kiss @sses against street cops. Its beat cops against da's. Its mayor vs the captain vs the board. Its some new procedure that some @sshat dreamt up while wanking to stiff his fellow blues. Its cops vs civilian-lol. Its state vs local. Local vs jailers. Sad really.

Johnnymac
11-02-2011, 08:05 PM
Agreed that the guy had every right to kick out the police officer, but I'd have to disagree with the action because well the police officer was not causing any trouble. Probably going to be some backlash on that guys business.

Anti Federalist
11-02-2011, 08:17 PM
Agreed that the guy had every right to kick out the police officer, but I'd have to disagree with the action because well the police officer was not causing any trouble. Probably going to be some backlash on that guys business.

Mrs. AF and I used to own a coffee/breakfast shop.

We'd hate it when the local cops would bail up in there, usually three or four at at time.

While it was never directly asked, the unspoken assumption always was, meals were on the house.

Not only that, it would put an "uncomfortable" atmosphere over the place, people that were chatting and enjoying their coffee at their leisure would suddenly get up and leave, the old duffers that would hang around shooting the shit would get quiet and start to leave, it just wasn't worth it.

Starting, and sticking to, the policy of charging them, ran them off to greener pastures pretty quickly.

CaptainAmerica
11-02-2011, 08:17 PM
Private owner has a right to kick an armed person out.

youngbuck
11-02-2011, 08:35 PM
Probably going to be some backlash on that guys business. Conversely, he may see an uptick in business.

The Goat
11-02-2011, 09:15 PM
Mrs. AF and I used to own a coffee/breakfast shop.

We'd hate it when the local cops would bail up in there, usually three or four at at time.

While it was never directly asked, the unspoken assumption always was, meals were on the house.

Not only that, it would put an "uncomfortable" atmosphere over the place, people that were chatting and enjoying their coffee at their leisure would suddenly get up and leave, the old duffers that would hang around shooting the shit would get quiet and start to leave, it just wasn't worth it.

Starting, and sticking to, the policy of charging them, ran them off to greener pastures pretty quickly.

as a teenager I worked at a diner/drive through, we started giving a few cops $2 meals, wasn't a month later that the whole damn place would fill up with them around lunch. the owners pretty quickly started charging them regular price again. their faces when they were charged full price were priceless.

as for their presence in the restaurant same thing. people would go quiet, you would see cars pull in the lot and leave, regular costumers would leave quicker than normal and not talk with everyone as much. the whole atmosphere of the restaurant would change for the worse. I can guarantee that sales went down, I was a cook and noticed the slack off in orders. IMO their bad for business, no one feels comfortable around them. even the most law abiding citizen. Maybe "safe" but not comfortable.

kuckfeynes
11-02-2011, 09:38 PM
There's a restaurant by where I used to live in the Pittsburgh area that caused a big stink last year because they banned all kids under the age of 7. The liberal types were outraged. It made headlines in all the papers, which ended up being a bunch of free publicity and a great boon for business. People love the assurance that their expensive meal won't be ruined by any outbursts. They had privileged white upper-middle class suburbanites howling that they were victims of discrimination LOL.

AGRP
11-02-2011, 09:41 PM
Business owners need to start honoring people who save lives by having Medical Service Days when they offer discounts to those whos duty is to save lives. EMTs, Doctors, Nurses, etc should be honored by enjoying a nice discount on a certain day. Cops need not apply.

Johnnymac
11-02-2011, 09:56 PM
Mrs. AF and I used to own a coffee/breakfast shop.

We'd hate it when the local cops would bail up in there, usually three or four at at time.

While it was never directly asked, the unspoken assumption always was, meals were on the house.

Not only that, it would put an "uncomfortable" atmosphere over the place, people that were chatting and enjoying their coffee at their leisure would suddenly get up and leave, the old duffers that would hang around shooting the shit would get quiet and start to leave, it just wasn't worth it.

Starting, and sticking to, the policy of charging them, ran them off to greener pastures pretty quickly.

yea you bring up a good point they are like the modern day wild west outlaws as soon as they step into a saloon the atmosphere changes. I work at McDonald's and when i first started 7 years ago my mother and I used to always give police officers free meals because my father was a police officer (a good one at that) and so we have alot of respect for the police officers in the surrounding communities, but as years went on things got stricter with the free meal giving and as we cycled through bosses they wouldnt want to give police officers free meals because you give one and then you are giving 10 free meals a day on top of other free meals. so it was then just coffee and even now you cant get away with giving someone a free coffee, but I really only had one guy with a bad reaction, all the other cops just just ante'd up and paid, but one guy was like " you know they usually give us guys a break" and he had said that with lip, so i threw it right back at him and was like " no one said we have to give you free meals, yea you used to get them all the time but things have changed and we are not allowed to anymore, sorry" and he was so pissed but i fucking hate dick cops as much as the next person, so i stood up to him. but i also respect the " good apples" out there which around where i live most of the cops i know are good apples.

Anti Federalist
11-02-2011, 11:01 PM
People understand, not at a thinking level, but at a gut, instinctive level, that the unwanted and unannounced arrival of a state enforcer into their midst can only at best be a neutral situation and that the negative outcomes once Officer Friendly shows up are legion.

I'll bet the most patriotic, flag waving, law abiding, Soviet or German citizen used to do the exact same thing if KGB or Gestapo walked in the door of a coffee shop for no reason.




as a teenager I worked at a diner/drive through, we started giving a few cops $2 meals, wasn't a month later that the whole damn place would fill up with them around lunch. the owners pretty quickly started charging them regular price again. their faces when they were charged full price were priceless.

as for their presence in the restaurant same thing. people would go quiet, you would see cars pull in the lot and leave, regular costumers would leave quicker than normal and not talk with everyone as much. the whole atmosphere of the restaurant would change for the worse. I can guarantee that sales went down, I was a cook and noticed the slack off in orders. IMO their bad for business, no one feels comfortable around them. even the most law abiding citizen. Maybe "safe" but not comfortable.


yea you bring up a good point they are like the modern day wild west outlaws as soon as they step into a saloon the atmosphere changes. I work at McDonald's and when i first started 7 years ago my mother and I used to always give police officers free meals because my father was a police officer (a good one at that) and so we have alot of respect for the police officers in the surrounding communities, but as years went on things got stricter with the free meal giving and as we cycled through bosses they wouldnt want to give police officers free meals because you give one and then you are giving 10 free meals a day on top of other free meals. so it was then just coffee and even now you cant get away with giving someone a free coffee, but I really only had one guy with a bad reaction, all the other cops just just ante'd up and paid, but one guy was like " you know they usually give us guys a break" and he had said that with lip, so i threw it right back at him and was like " no one said we have to give you free meals, yea you used to get them all the time but things have changed and we are not allowed to anymore, sorry" and he was so pissed but i fucking hate dick cops as much as the next person, so i stood up to him. but i also respect the " good apples" out there which around where i live most of the cops i know are good apples.

phill4paul
11-02-2011, 11:17 PM
Business owners need to start honoring people who save lives by having Medical Service Days when they offer discounts to those whos duty is to save lives. EMTs, Doctors, Nurses, etc should be honored by enjoying a nice discount on a certain day. Cops need not apply.

Yeah, because you're so special and shit. It's not like carpenters/plumbers and tradesmen ever give back to a community through "Habitat Homes" and shit like that. When we do these kinda things we don't ever get paid nor except payment for it. Quit thinking you are above your outlook on those lower.. You sound like a fucking English major professor bitchin' how the world owes him more.
Fuck everyone that thinks their profession is somehow 'special.' Mine ain't. I don't ask the government for anything more. I DO volunteer for organizations or to help individuals w/out asking for a dime in return. Fuck.

phill4paul
11-02-2011, 11:23 PM
People understand, not at a thinking level, but at a gut, instinctive level, that the unwanted and unannounced arrival of a state enforcer into their midst can only at best be a neutral situation and that the negative outcomes once Officer Friendly shows up are legion.

I'll bet the most patriotic, flag waving, law abiding, Soviet or German citizen used to do the exact same thing if KGB or Gestapo walked in the door of a coffee shop for no reason.

We've lost property rights. With the exception of firearms that is the one dictates of tyranny.

The lesbian/gay community did not fight against a state ban on smoking. Now they are going to shit because the state wants to define marriage. "I did not stand up..blah,blah,blah..."

Krugerrand
11-03-2011, 06:06 AM
I've been a small business owner for a long time now... my first business was a donut shop back in the late 80's. We were open 24hrs and over time cops would come in during the night shift and do their paperwork. We loved them coming in and tried to give them free coffee and donuts but every time we tried to give them something free they always refused. The reason we loved them coming in was simple... free security. Not much of a chance of getting robbed with a cop there. Maybe that is one of the reasons I understand not all cops are bad. I've meet many cops and have only had a problem on a couple of occasions, but never at the donut shop. Hell, one time a cop who was a regular came rushing into the shop and asked to use the bathroom. I panicked and hesitantly said yes... hesitantly because me and my partner had just fired up a J in there a few minutes earlier. It seemed like he was in there for an eternity and when he came out he was smiling from ear to ear and shaking his head... but did not say a word about the smell. Back then in NV possession was a felony, so like I said... it's been my experience that not all cops are bad or hard asses.

It sounds like the because of the perks you were giving them you became elevated a step above mundane in their eyes. Don't think that meant the cop didn't view the next guy with a joint as a mundane and throw the book at him. Ben Roethlisberger is plenty generous with his cop friends. They don't see him as a mundane either. It just meant they provided escort service to bathroom for him and his underage drunk female companion. I think I'd rather they view me as a mundane than be 'one of them.'

Krugerrand
11-03-2011, 06:09 AM
I would say that cops fall into several categories. But MANY of them start out with psychological problems that cause them to feel the need to control and bully other people. Others want the adrenalin rush. Still others want the good pay, good benefits, and good security. Sure, there are some who are driven to protect the community. Most? I don't think so. The bad news is that nearly ALL of them are corrupted by the cop culture of "us against them" and "rules don't apply to us".

And if they choose to stay in the job after seeing what it is like, they ARE responsible.

Basically, you are making what is known as the Nuremberg Defense: "we are just following the orders given to us by politicians and lawyers". The Nuremberg Defense was rejected.

I'd really like to know what percentage of cops played high school football and either couldn't make the team in college - or played college and couldn't make pro. These are people that were used to being exempt from rules and getting all sorts of special treatment. In many cases they tended towards bullies or at least would not stand up to stop their bully teammates. What better occupation could there be for them than the police force!