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KAYA
11-01-2011, 09:14 AM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/390823_122111834563822_100002950194121_119661_7048 16331_n.jpg

I find it to be such a pile of bullsh*t when I see these protesters act like they are doing something noble by playing the police brutality victim card yet they advocate for more power to be given to the state. They are pissed about police brutality when it is at their own protest and the "brutality" is directed against them, yet, in these very protest they are advocating FOR police brutality against others. They want to give gun carrying federal agents even more power to brutalize, take property from others and stick them in cages if they do not comply. They are willing to have federal agents come to my home and take me away from my family by physical force and stick me in a cage if I do not comply with a federally mandated ponzi scheme to which I had no choice as to whether I wanted to participate in. All of them, who are left-wing activist are advocates of police brutality.

specsaregood
11-01-2011, 09:25 AM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/390823_122111834563822_100002950194121_119661_7048 16331_n.jpg

I find it to be such a pile of bullsh*t when I see these protesters act like they are doing something noble by playing the police brutality victim card yet they advocate for more power to be given to the state. They are pissed about police brutality when it is at their own protest and the "brutality" is directed against them, yet, in these very protest they are advocating FOR police brutality against others. They want to give gun carrying federal agents even more power to brutalize, take property from others and stick them in cages if they do not comply. They are willing to have federal agents come to my home and take me away from my family by physical force and stick me in a cage if I do not comply with a federally mandated ponzi scheme to which I had no choice as to whether I wanted to participate in. All of them, who are left-wing activist are advocates of police brutality.

Please provide proof that the people in that picture support those things you listed. thanks in advance.

hazek
11-01-2011, 09:34 AM
Please provide proof that the people in that picture support those things you listed. thanks in advance.

If they support government regulations then they support police brutality and that's just one example.

KAYA
11-01-2011, 09:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUtav6s-Zes

KAYA
11-01-2011, 09:37 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fyP_wKRIAg

specsaregood
11-01-2011, 09:38 AM
If they support government regulations then they support police brutality and that's just one example.

How about regulations on government itself?

Still waiting for evidence of the actual people holding those signs/shields supporting police brutality.

KAYA
11-01-2011, 09:40 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avG4LgTF0ho

KAYA
11-01-2011, 09:42 AM
How about regulations on government itself?

Still waiting for evidence of the actual people holding those signs/shields supporting police brutality.

Just take a look at my first video link. I provided two others, but please at least take a look at the 1st one.

specsaregood
11-01-2011, 09:45 AM
Just take a look at my first video link. I provided two others, but please at least take a look at the 1st one.

Which one has the actual people holding up the stop police brutality signs actually supporting police brutality?

KAYA
11-01-2011, 09:57 AM
Which one has the actual people holding up the stop police brutality signs actually supporting police brutality?

HAHA! Wait, your changing your demands my friend. In your 1st post you asked for this:
Please provide proof that the people in that picture support those things you listed. thanks in advance.

I NEVER mentioned signs but rather I discussed the left-wing collectivist policies they advocate which empowers the government to use force and brutality against others and I provided the evidence you requested. Then you suddenly changed your request and asked for pictures of signs. Well signs don't mean sh*t its the policies that they advocate that matters. But, what the hell. I'll play along so I provided you video evidence of the communist party marching with these protesters, giving speeches and the crowd cheering these communist. I show you pictures with them and their Che Guevara t-shirts. Che Guevara supported and participated in violence and brutality against those he did not politically agree with. The evidence is there.

specsaregood
11-01-2011, 10:02 AM
HAHA! Wait, your changing your demands my friend. In your 1st post you asked for this:

I NEVER mentioned signs but rather I discussed the left-wing collectivist policies they advocate which empowers the government to use force and brutality against others and I provided the evidence you requested. Then you suddenly changed your request and asked for pictures of signs. Well signs don't mean sh*t its the policies that they advocate that matters. But, what the hell. I'll play along so I provided you video evidence of the communist party marching with these protesters, giving speeches and the crowd cheering these communist. I show you pictures with them and their Che Guevara t-shirts. Che Guevara supported and participated in violence and brutality against those he did not politically agree with. The evidence is there.

I'm not changing shit. The focus of the picture was obviously the people holding the gdamn signs saying "Stop police brutality". They were the subject and the focus. The people behind them, i have no idea of what THEIR position is as they don't have any signs. I can very easily see libertarians and anarchists holding those type of signs without necessarily approving of the mob itself.

jmdrake
11-01-2011, 10:05 AM
Just take a look at my first video link. I provided two others, but please at least take a look at the 1st one.

Right. Because the fact that some of the people at OWS feel a certain way means they all do. Some in the tea party believe it's our God given duty to support anything Israel does and to oppose the rights of Muslims to build mosques, so I guess that's all tea partiers. Some racists supported Ron Paul, so all Ron Paul supporters must be racist. Be against collectivism..until it fits your argument. That's the way forward right?

KAYA
11-01-2011, 10:09 AM
I'm not changing shit. The focus of the picture was obviously the people holding the gdamn signs saying "Stop police brutality". They were the subject and the focus. The people behind them, i have no idea of what THEIR position is as they don't have any signs. I can very easily see libertarians and anarchists holding those type of signs without necessarily approving of the mob itself.

That's why I clearly stated in my post "All of them, who are left-wing activist are advocates of police brutality". Maybe you should read the post and think about what it actually says before arguing against my post and that which it does not say.

dannno
11-01-2011, 10:14 AM
Wow, what a poor thread offering no proof whatsoever.

If you'd just left it at, "Some of those protesters no doubt support more government power and thus support police brutality and that makes them hypocrites"

Instead you have to label them all the same, throw them into the same ideological pile when you have no idea what any of their stances is on these issues.


That's why I clearly stated in my post "All of them, who are left-wing activist are advocates of police brutality".

That was one sentence, while appreciated the rest of the OP has a completely different tone.

dannno
11-01-2011, 10:14 AM
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KAYA
11-01-2011, 10:16 AM
Right. Because the fact that some of the people at OWS feel a certain way means they all do. Some in the tea party believe it's our God given duty to support anything Israel does and to oppose the rights of Muslims to build mosques, so I guess that's all tea partiers. Some racists supported Ron Paul, so all Ron Paul supporters must be racist. Be against collectivism..until it fits your argument. That's the way forward right?

WTF are you talking about? Again, I specifically stated my comments only applied to those who advocate for more empowerment of the government and who advocate for left-wing policies. I didn't say a damn thing about Israel, muslims, mosque, tea parties, Ron Paul, or racist.

Is it not hypocritical for a group of people to complain about police brutality while advocating for policies that rely on police brutality for their enforcement?

specsaregood
11-01-2011, 10:16 AM
That's why I clearly stated in my post "All of them, who are left-wing activist are advocates of police brutality". Maybe you should read the post and think about what it actually says before arguing against my post and that which it does not say.

You should write in a more concise and clear manner when smearing people. You collectivize with "they" all the way through your rant; saying "they" want these things. Yet provide no evidence that the actual subjects of the photo want them; then you expect to excuse it all away with a little "out" line you add at the very end? Please.
Besides, how you put it, reads more as if you are claiming that "all of them" are left wing activists. who isn't very definitive there. I suggest some editing and cleanup work so as to avoid these types of misunderstandings in the future.

pcosmar
11-01-2011, 10:21 AM
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There are IDIOTS on both sides.
get over it.

NewRightLibertarian
11-01-2011, 10:21 AM
I don't know why so many people here are desperate to carry water for the OWS socialists. I guess some just like the idea of people in the streets, but the majority of the video that has come out has shown these people to want more government, more handouts, the destruction of capitalism, etc. You are deluded if you think the small libertarian contingent is going to somehow win over this angry mob.

KAYA
11-01-2011, 10:22 AM
Wow, what a poor thread offering no proof whatsoever.

If you'd just left it at, "Some of those protesters no doubt support more government power and thus support police brutality and that makes them hypocrites"

Instead you have to label them all the same, throw them into the same ideological pile when you have no idea what any of their stances is on these issues.



That was one sentence, while appreciated the rest of the OP has a completely different tone.

No, in my very first sentence I state that those who "advocate for more power to be given to the state". Libertarians and anarchist by definition are excluded.

KAYA
11-01-2011, 10:25 AM
You should write in a more concise and clear manner when smearing people. You collectivize with "they" all the way through your rant; saying "they" want these things. Yet provide no evidence that the actual subjects of the photo want them; then you expect to excuse it all away with a little "out" line you add at the very end? Please.
Besides, how you put it, reads more as if you are claiming that "all of them" are left wing activists. who isn't very definitive there. I suggest some editing and cleanup work so as to avoid these types of misunderstandings in the future.

Again, in my opening sentence I state that those who "advocate for more power to be given to the state". Like I said, Libertarians and anarchist by definition are excluded. Sorry, but it's not my fault if you have a problem with reading comprehension.

specsaregood
11-01-2011, 10:27 AM
Again, in my opening sentence I state that those who "advocate for more power to be given to the state". Like I said, Libertarians and anarchist by definition are excluded. Sorry, but it's not my fault if you have a problem with reading comprehension.

Then perhaps you should have used a different photo. you have offered no evidence that the subject of your OP photo were hypocrits of any sort. I would be proud to hold those signs up, as should you.

pcosmar
11-01-2011, 10:29 AM
I don't know why so many people here are desperate to carry water for the OWS socialists. I guess some just like the idea of people in the streets, but the majority of the video that has come out has shown these people to want more government, more handouts, the destruction of capitalism, etc.

I support Americans Right to Protest the Government.
I support The Reason For These Protests (The economy stupid)
I Oppose the Corrupt Influence that TPTB have on our Political system.

I support the Two Core Goals,

1) End the System of Political Bribery (campaign finance, lobbying, revolving door)
2) Break Up the “Too Big To Fail” Banks and the Federal Reserve
http://ampedstatus.org/network/about/

NewRightLibertarian
11-01-2011, 10:29 AM
Again, in my opening sentence I state that those who "advocate for more power to be given to the state". Like I said, Libertarians and anarchist by definition are excluded. Sorry, but it's not my fault if you have a problem with reading comprehension.

specs is known for bullheadedly arguing about nonsense, I suggest you just ignore him

specsaregood
11-01-2011, 10:30 AM
specs is known for bullheadedly arguing about nonsense, I suggest you just ignore him

Thats the best idea I've ever heard from you here. I think everybody should /ignore me.

NewRightLibertarian
11-01-2011, 10:30 AM
I support Americans Right to Protest the Government.
I support The Reason For These Protests (The economy stupid)
I Oppose the Corrupt Influence that TPTB have on our Political system.

I support the Two Core Goals,

1) End the System of Political Bribery (campaign finance, lobbying, revolving door)
2) Break Up the “Too Big To Fail” Banks and the Federal Reserve
http://ampedstatus.org/network/about/

Wasn't the person who made that website recently talking about how he is losing control of the movement on his Twitter account?

KAYA
11-01-2011, 10:31 AM
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/U/moran.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/n/L/3/impeah-obama.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/x/w/2/birth-certifict.jpg

http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/g/v/2/respect-are-country.jpg

There are IDIOTS on both sides.
get over it.

Yes, there are idiots. But some of you have a problem with what I am actually saying! I'm not upset with the idiots, idiots are everywhere. I never said anything about idiots. People are free to be as idiotic as they want so long as they do not infringe and the freedom of others. My point is that those on the left who advocate for more government power and complain about police brutality need to take a long hard look in the mirror and realize that the left-wing policies they are advocating actually strengthens the police state and relies on police brutality to carry out the very government empowering, central planning, bureaucratic, collectivist policies they advocate.

KAYA
11-01-2011, 10:35 AM
Btw, did any of you guys get to watch the videos I posted?

jmdrake
11-01-2011, 10:36 AM
WTF are you talking about? Again, I specifically stated my comments only applied to those who advocate for more empowerment of the government and who advocate for left-wing policies. I didn't say a damn thing about Israel, muslims, mosque, tea parties, Ron Paul, or racist.

Is it not hypocritical for a group of people to complain about police brutality while advocating for policies that rely on police brutality for their enforcement?

I guess my reasoning by analogy went passed you. Sorry for not being clear. I'll try again. Posting a picture of a random group of protestors and than making blanket generalizations is like saying all tea party folks hate Muslims or all Ron Paul folks are racists. Finding anecdotal "proof" of your comment really proves nothing. And sure you did "qualify" your statement, but that was weaksauce. Specs specifically asked you for proof about the people holding the signs, as opposed to proof that somebody in the crowd may support position X, Y or Z. In short you haven't got any proof about the positions being espoused by the people holding the signs. If someone was holding a "Increase government regulation" sign in one hand and a "stop police brutality sign" in the other then your point would have been made.

Here's the bottom line. The OWS movement and the "tea party" movement are really two sides of the same coin. Both are groups of people who are justifiably angry at what is really a common enemy. That enemy is the collusion between big corporations and big government. The OWS folks focus on the corporation part of the equation and the tea party focuses on the government part of the equation. Both groups of people bring their own "baggage" of other concerns to the mix. But it's disingenuous and unproductive to jump into "label" mode without taking the time to at least attempt to understand the people you are labeling. Let's take regulations for example. Did you know that Ron Paul voted against repeal of the Glass Stegal banking regulations? That would seemingly put him on the side of those who want more banking regulations. But you have to did a little deeper to understand his point. The partial deregulation that happened was worse than having full regulation because he created a worse moral hazard. Basically deregulated risk taking without deregulating risk consequences. But try to explain that to your average man on the street, liberal, conservative or otherwise, and he won't get it.

Anyhow, it's your thread. Rant however you want. You only have to make sense to yourself.

pcosmar
11-01-2011, 10:38 AM
Yes, there are idiots. But some of you have a problem with what I am actually saying! I'm not upset with the idiots, idiots are everywhere. I never said anything about idiots. People are free to be as idiotic as they want so long as they do not infringe and the freedom of others. My point is that those on the left who advocate for more government power and complain about police brutality need to take a long hard look in the mirror and realize that the left-wing policies they are advocating actually strengthens the police state and relies on police brutality.

The purpose of this movement is to END the Federal Reserve, The IMF and World Bank.
To End the control the Power Brokers have over Politics.

All the other bullshit is bullshit.

Where did the Tea Party start? What happened to it?
You are doing the same damn thing.

you are presenting the co-opted as the original purpose.

jmdrake
11-01-2011, 10:40 AM
Wasn't the person who made that website recently talking about how he is losing control of the movement on his Twitter account?

You're making pcosmar's point for him. The sad thing is you don't realize it.

pcosmar
11-01-2011, 10:41 AM
Wasn't the person who made that website recently talking about how he is losing control of the movement on his Twitter account?

I doubt it. He does not claim any control, therefore would have none to lose.

Can you provide some evidence of your claim? Or even his name?

hazek
11-01-2011, 10:47 AM
How about regulations on government itself?

Oh you mean like the constitution or something? Yeah, that sure seems to work well.


Still waiting for evidence of the actual people holding those signs/shields supporting police brutality.

I already told you an example.

NewRightLibertarian
11-01-2011, 10:48 AM
You're making pcosmar's point for him. The sad thing is you don't realize it.

Was his point that the well-minded people who helped get 'Occupy' off the ground losing influence as the mob degrades into a pro-government socialist mob? If it is then I am happy to make his point for him.


I doubt it. He does not claim any control, therefore would have none to lose.

Can you provide some evidence of your claim? Or even his name?

Perhaps I should have said 'influence' and not 'control'. I saw it posted here or somewhere similar awhile back but I can't find it right now, I'll keep looking.

ZenBowman
11-01-2011, 10:51 AM
This is what we call the creation of a false dichotomy.

Either you oppose the state completely or you support police brutality!

Not really, no. Find common ground and you can make advances against oppression even if you disagree on the economic front.

pcosmar
11-01-2011, 10:54 AM
Perhaps I should have said 'influence' and not 'control'. I saw it posted here or somewhere similar awhile back but I can't find it right now, I'll keep looking.

Ah, well you had mentioned specifically the "person who made that website". so naturally I assumed you knew who that was.
he just posted last night an update on a new page to gather news and such,
no mention of him giving up or anything.


Apologies for the lack of updates lately. We are currently busy working on a new website specifically dedicated to aggregating and producing news reports on the OWS 99% movement. The site will not be announced for another few days, but you can check it out here: http://OWSnews.org/.

NewRightLibertarian
11-01-2011, 10:56 AM
Ah, well you had mentioned specifically the "person who made that website". so naturally I assumed you knew who that was.
he just posted last night an update on a new page to gather news and such,
no mention of him giving up or anything.

The quote I remember being posted was of him expressing discontent with where the movement was going. He wasn't abandoning it or anything, it was more of a plea to protesters.

pcosmar
11-01-2011, 11:02 AM
The quote I remember being posted was of him expressing discontent with where the movement was going. He wasn't abandoning it or anything, it was more of a plea to protesters.

Well see,, that is the thing with a decentralized, leaderless movement.
Anybody can make claims.

Most of the BULLSHIT I see is coming from the occupywallstreet.org forums.
Like the Official Demands that were posted everywhere, that was the random post of a single individual.

It would be like taking some troll post from here and claiming it as the position of the Campaign.
But that is what many are doing.

People even think this was started by occupywallstreet.org or by Adbusters.

It was not,, they joined later. (and are the source of many problems, IMHO)

enjerth
11-01-2011, 11:10 AM
Btw, did any of you guys get to watch the videos I posted?

I watched the Adam Kokesh vids, finally subscribed to his channel after seeing those two. Good stuff.