How many people knew that the National Security Council Controls FEMA not the Pres?

[AuH20]

I hope someone has started compiling addresses so we can send them fan-mail.


Hillary Clinton (Secretary of State)
Leon Panetta (Secretary of Defense)
Steven Chu (Secretary of Energy)
Military Advisor Gen. Martin Dempsey (Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff)
Intelligence Advisor Lt. Gen. James R. Clapper (Ret.) (Director of National Intelligence)
Drug Policy Advisor Gil Kerlikowske (Director of National Drug Control Policy)

OTHER NOTABLE ATTENDEES:
Tom Donilon (National Security Advisor)
William M. Daley (White House Chief of Staff)
Denis McDonough (Deputy National Security Advisor)
Tim Geithner (Secretary of the Treasury)
Eric Holder (Attorney General)
Janet Napolitano (Secretary of Homeland Security)
Kathryn Ruemmler (Counsel to the President)
Gene Sperling (Assistant to the President for Economic Policy)
Susan Rice (Ambassador to the United Nations)
Jacob Lew (Director of Office of Management and Budget)
David Petraeus (Director of the Central Intelligence Agency)
John O. Brennan (Homeland Security Advisor)

[oyarde]

It may be easier to make a list of what is not under National Security & Homeland Security.

[AuH20]

Jimmy Carter. What a great guy! Thanks for FEMA!!:


Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." (in other words they're scared to death of you and I)

FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:

the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;

the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;

the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and

the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national.

These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.

[Seraphim]

Good lord...FEMA is an abomination...for fuck sake...some of that shit is down right offensive...BUT NO, THE USA IS THE LAND OF THE FREE...NO FASCISM/COMMUNISM here!!!!

6 MONTHS without Congressional review?!??!?!? THAT'S A FUCKING LIFE TIME IN AUTHORITARIAN YEARS.

[AuH20]

Good lord...FEMA is an abomination...for fuck sake...some of that shit is down right offensive...BUT NO, THE USA IS THE LAND OF THE FREE...NO FASCISM/COMMUNISM here!!!!

FEMA is their insurance policy, however, we know who makes up the NSC. We should all get together and send some letters to the members of the above group at their home residences. Let them know the deal. Every action has consequences in this world.

[pcosmar]

Jimmy Carter. What a great guy! Thanks for FEMA!!:

Yeah,, then Reagan gave it teeth. later Bush turned it into a real monster.

It was conceived by Nixon. And has been added to by every administration since.

A truly bipartisan creation.

[Anti Federalist]

It may be easier to make a list of what is not under National Security & Homeland Security.

Done.



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[pcosmar]

It may be easier to make a list of what is not under National Security & Homeland Security.

Lets see.
Me,, very likely a few others here.

but ya never can be too sure.
:(

[garyinraleigh]

any law hampering our original constitution is legally null and void period.
ron paul 2012

[Anti Federalist]

Also always important to keep in mind, FEMA has really nothing to do with "helping people" after disasters.

FEMA's prime directive is CoG.

Protecting government at all costs.

And if the people's needs are in conflict with government's needs, bet your ass, the people will be cold, hungry and in the dark.

[Anti Federalist]

any law hampering our original constitution is legally null and void period.
ron paul 2012

Welcome to the forums.

Good point.

Now, enforce that, Mundane.

[pcosmar]

Also always important to keep in mind, FEMA has really nothing to do with "helping people" after disasters.

FEMA's prime directive is CoG.

Protecting government at all costs.

And if the people's needs are in conflict with government's needs, bet your ass, the people will be cold, hungry and in the dark.
Disarmed, relocated and possibly confined.

perhaps the most anti-American Agency ever conceived.

[AuH20]

Disarmed, relocated and possibly confined.

perhaps the most anti-American Agency ever conceived.

They have the power to conscript us into a labor force, which is the most frightening provision of them all.

[Zippyjuan]

What do those executive orders actually say? I checked out the first one- which claims it gives the government the power to take over all highways and seaports. I cannot find that in the executive order.
Full text: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928#axzz1cOVx3Aay

What it does is to form a committee which was to collect data on traffic accidents.
Portion:

WHEREAS section 33 (c) of the Federal Employees' Compensation Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. 784), declared it to be the purpose of the Congress to reduce the number of accidents and injuries among Government officers and employees, encourage safe practices, eliminate work hazards and health risks, and reduce compensable injuries; and

WHEREAS section 35 of that Act, as amended (5 U.S.C. 785), further disclosed the interest of the Congress in the promotion of safety in Federal agencies and establishments; and

WHEREAS the Federal Employees' Compensation Act, as amended and as modified by Reorganization Plan No. 19 of 1950 (hereinafter referred to as the Act), directs the heads of Government departments and agencies to develop, support, and foster organized safety promotion, and to keep such records of injuries and accidents to persons covered by the Act, and to make such statistical and other reports upon such forms as the Secretary of Labor may prescribe; and

WHEREAS the preponderance of accidents involving employees in the Federal service occur in field operations, the heads of executive departments and agencies, and through them, their supervisory staffs, including regional and field staffs, must exert leadership in the establishment of a sound accident prevention program at both the national and regional level; and

WHEREAS representatives of Federal employees should share a similar concern for the establishment of such programs; and

WHEREAS the President is authorized by the Act to establish by Executive order a safety council composed of representatives of Government departments and agencies to serve as an advisory body to the Secretary of Labor in furtherance of the safety program carried out by the Secretary pursuant to section 33 of the Act and to undertake such other measures he deems proper to prevent injuries and accidents to persons covered by the act."


Let's try #2 which is claimed to give them power to "seize and control the communications media."
Text: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-10995.htm
This deals with the assignment of frequencies for radio transmissions.
Here is the section on powers it grants:

SEC. 6. In carrying out functions under this order, the Director of Telecommunications Management shall consider the following objectives:


(a) Full and efficient employment of telecommunications resources in carrying out national policies;
(b) Development of telecommunications plans, policies, and programs under which full advantage of technological development will accrue to the Nation and the users of telecommunications; and which will satisfactorily serve the national security; sustain and contribute to the full development of world trade and commerce; strengthen the position and serve the best interests of the United States in negotiations with foreign nations; and permit maximum use of resources through better frequency management;

(c) Utilization of the radio spectrum by the Federal Government in a manner which permits and encourages the most beneficial use thereof in the public interest;

(d) Implementation of the national policy of development and effective use of space satellites for international telecommunications services.


Nothing about seizing anything.

I suspect that the same can be found in most of the other executive orders. I don't have time to go through them all now.

[Anti Federalist]

The order of EO's was changed IIRC.

Those are old numbers.

You have to look up the new numbers.

I remember this coming up once before.

Most of those EO's are old ones relating to a possible Cold War era Soviet missile attack.


What do those executive orders actually say? I checked out the first one- which claims it gives the government the power to take over all highways and seaports. I cannot find that in the executive order.
Full text: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=58928#axzz1cOVx3Aay

What it does is to form a committee which was to collect data on traffic accidents.
Portion:



Let's try #2 which is claimed to give them power to "seize and control the communications media."
Text: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo/eo-10995.htm
This deals with the assignment of frequencies for radio transmissions.
Here is the section on powers it grants:

Nothing about seizing anything.

I suspect that the same can be found in most of the other executive orders. I don't have time to go through them all now.

[ZanZibar]

The NSC is underneath the President.

[Anti Federalist]

EO 12919 that gives the government the authority to control all resources.

Specifically Section 103 (c)

FEMA is named as the coordinating arm.

http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/eo12919.htm


What do those executive orders actually say?

[Romulus]

Also always important to keep in mind, FEMA has really nothing to do with "helping people" after disasters.

FEMA's prime directive is CoG.

Protecting government at all costs.

And if the people's needs are in conflict with government's needs, bet your ass, the people will be cold, hungry and in the dark.

Or in asbestos trailers.