Zuccotti Park 99% movement angry at freeloaders and homeless invading the park

[Agorism]

Zuccotti Park 99% movement angry at freeloaders and homeless invading the park

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204777904576649993085008396.html?K EYWORDS=JAMES+TARANTO


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/11/alg_protests_1010_santos.jpg



"It's turning into us against, them," says a 36-year-old Occupy Boston protester quoted by the Boston Herald's Howie Carr. Wait, wasn't that the idea? Not exactly. It turns out that when he says "them," the guy is referring not to billionaire Jewish bankers but street vagrants. "They come in here and they're looking at it as a way of getting a free meal and a place to crash, which is totally fine, but they don't bring anything to the table at all."

The same is true in New York, where, according to the Daily News, "Zuccotti Park has become a haven for the homeless," who are abandoning shelters and camping out at the park, "enticed by the allure of free food and a community of open-minded people." But as in Boston, open-mindedness goes only so far. "We have compassion toward everyone. However, we have certain rules and guidelines," says Lauren Digioia, 26, who belongs to the "sanitation committee":


"If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."

As is often the case, the Onion anticipated all of this, in a 2002 article titled "Marxists' Apartment a Microcosm of Why Marxism Doesn't Work":


The filthy, disorganized apartment shared by three members of the Amherst College Marxist Society is a microcosm of why the social and economic utopia described in the writings of Karl Marx will never come to fruition, sources reported Monday. . . .

The situation is familiar to Donald Browning, author of Das Kouch: A History Of College Marxism, 1970-1998.

"When workers willfully become less productive, the economy of the household suffers," Browning said. "But in a society where a range of ability naturally exists, someone is bound to object to picking up the slack for others and end up getting all pissy, like Josh does."

According to Browning, the group's lack of productivity pervades their lives, with roommates encouraging each other to skip class or work to sit on the couch smoking pot and talking politics. . . .

The lack of funds and the resulting scarcity breeds not only discontent but also corruption. Although collectivism only works when all parties contribute to the fullest extent, Foyle hid the existence of a $245 paycheck from roommates so he would not have to pay his back rent, in essence refusing to participate in the forced voluntary taxation that is key to socialism. Even worse, Dorff, who is entrusted with bill collection and payment, recently pocketed $30, a theft he claimed was "for the heating bill" but was put toward buying drinks later that night.
Meanwhile, the New York Times reports on the "library" at Occupy Boston, which carries a full range of titles from Z to Zinn. The best detail is this: "The librarians have eschewed the Dewey Decimal System, concerned by historical accounts that portray Melvil Dewey, its inventor, as a racist and misogynist."

Take a college humanities department and deprive it of all the support it receives from capitalist enterprises--investment income from the institution's endowment, tuition money from well-heeled parents, subsidies from taxpayers--and what do you get? A bunch of crazy freeloaders sleeping in a park.

[specsaregood]

ok, now thats funny.

[dannno]

So they aren't all commies and socialists?

[brandon]

lol totally predictable

[Miss Annie]

The irony of it all....... LMAO!! Aren't these the people that the commies are wanting to give free housing to? Aren't these the people that they are wanting to give a guaranteed living wage too? You would think that the socialists could be a little more social! LOL!

[Noob]

lol totally predictable
Here is a good video that shows this..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNerJooTSa8&feature=player_embedded

[Agorism]

"Why you telling me to go to the meetings. No, I'm going to stand right here and not go to the meetings."

lol

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Herman Cain's rise also coincided with his willingness to publicly state the truth about these 'more government' imbeciles.

[pcosmar]

Herman Cain's rise also coincided with his willingness to publicly state the truth about these 'more government' imbeciles.

LOL at BIG Govt Cain. The Federal Reserves candidate.

[Agorism]

If the right does dramatic clamp downs on these people, they might end up just looking big brotherish.

Why not just let the movement degenerate on its own. If Zuccotti Park is becoming a homeless shelter and a place for loud mouthing, not very many people will want to protest there.

[angelatc]

This is sort of what happened to the hippie movement of the 60's. The whole commune idea worked great on paper, but in reality....the druggies and the lazy showed up en masse.

[Agorism]

At least the hippies were protesting racism and war though.

[dannno]

At least the hippies were protesting racism and war though.

Wars that were caused by......

(hint: the people OWS are protesting)

[Agorism]

They don't seem to be protesting wars to me but rather promoting Obama reelection.

[vita3]

Was there today, heard two different people rant about the FED.. (they were not homeless)

NY FED is only a couple of blocks away from the park.

[PaulConventionWV]

So they aren't all commies and socialists?

Nope, apparently it's commies, socialists, and homeless people. Whoopie.

[Miss Annie]

Why not just let the movement degenerate on its own. If Zuccotti Park is becoming a homeless shelter and a place for loud mouthing, not very many people will want to protest there.

LIKE!

[Gumba of Liberty]

The comments on this board concerning OWS are disgusting at worst and disheartening at best. The same media that paints Dr. Paul as a un-electable crazy person are hard at work turning OWS into a "Commie" Woodstock. I thought men and women of liberty looked at people as individuals and not groups. Besides, if we believe the system is collapsing, as it is, why would we consider people looking for social safety nets as a threat? The safety nets are gone folks, this is the perfect time to show our fellow actively-involved equally-pissed Americans that the solution to our problems is ending the fed, income tax, and releasing the creative energies of the common man or "99%" on the world. If you play the "divide and conquer" game you are more hijacked than the OWS protesters. Think about and get back to me.

[jtstellar]

"If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."

lol christ.. the irony

i worry for the human gene pool.. what have we bred all these years

[dannno]

They don't seem to be protesting wars to me but rather promoting Obama reelection.

What the fuck are you talking about?!? I haven't seen a pro-Obama sign in ANY video including the one you posted or at ANY of the protests I've been to personally.

In fact, in the video you posted, there was a sign that said, "Surely, voting Democrat will help." which was OBVIOUSLY sarcastic, and the ultra-dick who made the fucking video, who was a bigger dick than any of the people in the video, OBVIOUSLY was too stupid to get it. There are a lot of dicks in LA, I hate LA, so I'm not going to argue for the people in that video, except that the guy who made it was the biggest dick of them all.

I have seen plenty of anti-war signs.

Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?

[dannno]

"If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."

lol christ.. the irony

i worry for the human gene pool.. what have we bred all these years

Have you considered that the person who said that might not be a socialist?

Is that because you believe everybody at OWS are all socialists?

[Agorism]

Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?

LOL, how did you know that I was a secret disinfo agent?

[jtstellar]

Have you considered that the person who said that might not be a socialist?

Is that because you believe everybody at OWS are all socialists?

i believe they are uninformed and they are taking a crash course to communism, not socialism.

another thing i believe and am willing to abide by is that it's easier to convert somebody who bases his positions on beliefs, rather than converting someone who has a financial stake in the subject. hence we have and always will have more success converting neo-cons. but good luck leaning left.

[jtstellar]

is that organizer in the video trying to apply libertarian "federal government" ideologies? this is what i always say about people.. they don't really understand libertarianism governing philosophies. it's all about strict local controls.. libertarianism is actually about VERY strict local controls from friends and neighbors, so the government doesn't have to. family instead of government. friends instead of bureaucrats. but they are staying right next to each other and as 'local' as it can get, yet he is refusing any kind of rule be imposed by the community. this is what sometimes makes me feel hopeless about people who think they know libertarianism (if he is).. they think they understand it but they're just some angry teen/youth running wild.. and stupid

[PaulConventionWV]

What the fuck are you talking about?!? I haven't seen a pro-Obama sign in ANY video including the one you posted or at ANY of the protests I've been to personally.

In fact, in the video you posted, there was a sign that said, "Surely, voting Democrat will help." which was OBVIOUSLY sarcastic, and the ultra-dick who made the fucking video, who was a bigger dick than any of the people in the video, OBVIOUSLY was too stupid to get it. There are a lot of dicks in LA, I hate LA, so I'm not going to argue for the people in that video, except that the guy who made it was the biggest dick of them all.

I have seen plenty of anti-war signs.

Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?

The denial is staggering. A lot of liberals are anti-war, you know. Not really helping...

[Aratus]

up here in N.E we are about to get snow. the temps this month were like september, ranging up into the 70s
and even being above the mid-40s and mid-50s at night. we are going to be in the low 30s real soon now...


Zuccotti Park 99% movement angry at freeloaders and homeless invading the park

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204777904576649993085008396.html?K EYWORDS=JAMES+TARANTO


http://assets.nydailynews.com/img/2011/10/11/alg_protests_1010_santos.jpg


If the right does dramatic clamp downs on these people, they might end up just looking big brotherish.

Why not just let the movement degenerate on its own. If Zuccotti Park is becoming a homeless shelter and a place for loud mouthing, not very many people will want to protest there.


This is sort of what happened to the hippie movement of the 60's. The whole commune idea worked great on paper, but in reality....the druggies and the lazy showed up en masse.


The comments on this board concerning OWS are disgusting at worst and disheartening at best. The same media that paints Dr. Paul as a un-electable crazy person are hard at work turning OWS into a "Commie" Woodstock. I thought men and women of liberty looked at people as individuals and not groups. Besides, if we believe the system is collapsing, as it is, why would we consider people looking for social safety nets as a threat? The safety nets are gone folks, this is the perfect time to show our fellow actively-involved equally-pissed Americans that the solution to our problems is ending the fed, income tax, and releasing the creative energies of the common man or "99%" on the world. If you play the "divide and conquer" game you are more hijacked than the OWS protesters. Think about and get back to me.


"If you're going to come here and get our food, bedding and clothing, have books and medical supplies for no charge, they need to give back," Digioia said. "There's a lot of takers here and they feel entitled."

lol christ.. the irony

i worry for the human gene pool.. what have we bred all these years


What the fuck are you talking about?!? I haven't seen a pro-Obama sign in ANY video including the one you posted or at ANY of the protests I've been to personally.

In fact, in the video you posted, there was a sign that said, "Surely, voting Democrat will help." which was OBVIOUSLY sarcastic, and the ultra-dick who made the fucking video, who was a bigger dick than any of the people in the video, OBVIOUSLY was too stupid to get it. There are a lot of dicks in LA, I hate LA, so I'm not going to argue for the people in that video, except that the guy who made it was the biggest dick of them all.

I have seen plenty of anti-war signs.

Why do you have to act like such a disinfo agent?


Have you considered that the person who said that might not be a socialist?

Is that because you believe everybody at OWS are all socialists?


LOL, how did you know that I was a secret disinfo agent?

[dannno]

i believe they are uninformed and they are taking a crash course to communism, not socialism.

another thing i believe and am willing to abide by is that it's easier to convert somebody who bases his positions on beliefs, rather than converting someone who has a financial stake in the subject. hence we have and always will have more success converting neo-cons. but good luck leaning left.

Wow, I've had the opposite experience, but your logic in that argument isn't really correct when it comes to voting for RP.

Mainstream Republicans often have a financial stake in the subject, it's called taxes. They vote for lower taxes and can give a crap about spending, especially on the military.

I have had a MUCH easier time convincing leftists to vote for RP, and even change many of their other opinions about govt. Leftists are more often anti-establishment, and RP is very anti-establishment and it is easy to relate to him and his ideas. Ending the war on terror and the war on drugs is not extreme to them.

How does a leftist have a financial stake in RP not becoming President, anyway? This is where I have a problem with your logic. He didn't say he wanted to take away benefits from those who are dependent, he wants to cut military first. Good luck convincing neocons on that, it can be nearly impossible, although I've planted some seeds and worn down a few.

[jtstellar]

we aren't infighting, Aratus.. just having a grand good laugh at it cus we're all sitting in front of our computers drinking drinks and heater way up.. if we had to organize events we would do a hell lot better than this.. and we have shown it.

[Aratus]

...
Here is a good video that shows this..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNerJooTSa8&feature=player_embedded


Wars that were caused by......

(hint: the people OWS are protesting)

[jtstellar]

Wow, I've had the opposite experience, but your logic in that argument isn't really correct when it comes to voting for RP.

Mainstream Republicans often have a financial stake in the subject, it's called taxes. They vote for lower taxes and can give a crap about spending, especially on the military.

I have had a MUCH easier time convincing leftists to vote for RP, and even change many of their other opinions about govt. Leftists are more often anti-establishment, and RP is very anti-establishment and it is easy to relate to him and his ideas.

How does a leftist have a financial stake in RP not becoming President, anyway? This is where I have a problem with your logic. He didn't say he wanted to take away benefits from those who are dependent, he wants to cut military first. Good luck convincing neocons on that, it can be nearly impossible, although I've planted some seeds and worn down a few.

were your 'leftists' already receiving food stamps? did they work for unions? were they women getting federally funded abortions 3 times a year? remember the part i mentioned about 'financial stakes'.. i don't think i need to talk about how it was such a breeze converting my private sector friends, as opposed to biotech lab workers whose clients were mainly government funded or some medical school student friend who received veteran aid in the past.

[dannno]

were your 'leftists' already receiving food stamps? did they work for unions? were they women getting federally funded abortions 3 times a year?

Hah, yes, some, however despite popular belief most leftists don't fall under those categories. A lot of them just really hate Republicans. They hate their social conservative values, they hate their hypocritical wars and they hate that they keep getting the god damn cops called on them for noise complaints while hosting a party for your friends :p

[Agorism]

Hah, yes, some, however despite popular belief most leftists don't fall under those categories. A lot of them just really hate Republicans. They hate their social conservative values, they hate their hypocritical wars and they hate that they keep getting the god damn cops called on them for noise complaints while hosting a party for your friends

Ya of course. The right to be loud at night even though you know your neighbors have to wake up early.

Everyone supports that...\sarcasm.

[jtstellar]

Hah, yes, some, however despite popular belief most leftists don't fall under those categories. A lot of them just really hate Republicans. They hate their social conservative values, they hate their hypocritical wars and they hate that they keep getting the god damn cops called on them for noise complaints while hosting a party for your friends :p

well i am already working some 10+hrs a day and i live in suburbs.. i have an excuse to stay uninvolved. therefore i also donate harder.. some contribute resource some contribute work hours i suppose.

[Cowlesy]

Based on the OP's post, we should definitely let these people have more control over the most powerful organization on the entire earth.

Everything will work out cool, yo.

[Aratus]

They don't seem to be protesting wars to me but rather promoting Obama reelection.


up here in N.E we are about to get snow. the temps this month were like september, ranging up into the 70s
and even being above the mid-40s and mid-50s at night. we are going to be in the low 30s real soon now...


we aren't infighting, Aratus.. just having a grand good laugh at it cus we're all sitting in front of our computers drinking drinks and heater way up.. if we had to organize events we would do a hell lot better than this.. and we have shown it.

winter's first snow by noon this thursday is going to be flaking down on Occupy Boston...

[dannno]

Ya of course. The right to be loud at night even though you know your neighbors have to wake up early.

Everyone supports that...\sarcasm.

If they need to wake up early and noise bothers them then why the fuck do they live so close to other people?

I don't give a rats ass if they party all night.

[Miss Annie]

Based on the OP's post, we should definitely let these people have more control over the most powerful organization on the entire earth.

Everything will work out cool, yo.

What other choice do we have? If we don't leave them to their own devices, we are intolerant, disrespectful, and uncompassionate hardasses.

[Agorism]

If they need to wake up early and noise bothers them then why the fuck do they live so close to other people?

I don't give a rats ass if they party all night.

Blame the victim!

It's called noise ordinances and common courtesy as most people have to SHARE walls in metropolitan areas. If you want to be loud in the middle of the night, get your own home that doesn't share walls and then you won't bother anyone.

[dannno]

LOL, how did you know that I was a secret disinfo agent?

Actually I just said you were acting like one.

[dannno]

Blame the victim!

It's called noise ordinances and common courtesy as most people have to SHARE walls in metropolitan areas. If you want to be loud in the middle of the night, get your own home that doesn't share walls and then you won't bother anyone.

I believe in common courtesy, I don't believe in noise ordinances.

I have my own home with walls.

Sometimes my friends and I like to play beer pong in the backyard at 1am, have a bonfire and listen to some music. That's how we roll.

[Agorism]

I believe in common courtesy, I don't believe in noise ordinances.

I have my own home with walls.

Sometimes my friends and I like to play beer pong in the backyard at 1am, have a bonfire and listen to some music. That's how we roll.

And our neighbors call the cops on you, and that makes you angry?

[reillym]

were your 'leftists' already receiving food stamps? did they work for unions? were they women getting federally funded abortions 3 times a year? remember the part i mentioned about 'financial stakes'.. i don't think i need to talk about how it was such a breeze converting my private sector friends, as opposed to biotech lab workers whose clients were mainly government funded or some medical school student friend who received veteran aid in the past.

There has never been government-funded abortions you twat. Hyde amendment. Google. Read. Be quiet.

[jtstellar]

There has never been government-funded abortions you twat. Hyde amendment. Google. Read. Be quiet.

some sites that perform abortions receive public funding, and funds are fungible. heard of planned parenthood? i guess you missed the whole debate a year ago. if they receive a hundred-thou in public aid in total spending of two, one on abortion, they could say they spent it on the non-abortion half. here, i saved you the google work. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/08/planned-parenthood-federal-budget_n_846933.html

it is true they wrote something on a piece of paper, however useless just like everything else they write down:


"Federal law bars Planned Parenthood from using tax dollars for abortion. In 1976, three years after the landmark Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which bars the use of taxpayer funds for abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

It annually is attached to the congressional spending bills.

a republican correctly saw the folly in this and he is mentioned in the article as well:


'But Republicans argue that often all the money ends up in the same account for the organizations.

"Come on," Jordan said, "Money is fungible. ... It's just common sense. We think that taxpayers understand this, particularly at a point in history when the country is broke."'

i guess even some random neo-con from gop gets it. you must be the kind that thought no marijuana would exist just because some laws would ban it, before the laws were passed. if not, it's even worse, because the logic is similar. you're depositing money into a general account and telling them not to use a specific X amount for abortion? you are so stupid, why are you here. don't bring your chin up talking to someone more intelligent.. it's unsightly and embarrassing.

[PaulConventionWV]

If they need to wake up early and noise bothers them then why the fuck do they live so close to other people?

I don't give a rats ass if they party all night.

I really hope you're not serious.

"yeah, surely if they have a real job in the city and noise bothers them, they should move out to the boondocks where all those noisy bastards won't bother them."

Maybe it's the noisy people's responsibility to go where they won't bother people who actually have a life that means getting up early for their job.

[moostraks]

There has never been government-funded abortions you twat. Hyde amendment. Google. Read. Be quiet.

"Effective in 1977, this provision, known as the Hyde Amendment, specifies what abortion services are covered under Medicaid...The present version of the Hyde Amendment requires coverage of abortion in cases of rape, incest, and life endangerment...The Hyde Amendment affects only federal spending.States are free to use their own funds to cover additional abortion services...Initially, a number of states expressed resistance to comply with the expanded Hyde Amendment, and presently thirteen states are under court orders to comply and cover rape and incest in addition to life endangerment.12 Every court that has considered the Hyde Amendment's application to a state's Medicaid program since 1993 has held that states continuing to participate in the Medicaid program must cover abortions resulting from rape or incest in order to be compliant with the Hyde Amendment, regardless of state laws that may be more restrictive.

State Funding for Abortion under Medicaid


Funding under Hyde Amendment Only: Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Delaware, District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Wyoming.

Hyde Amendment and Additional Health Circumstances: Indiana (physical health), Iowa (fetal abnormality), Mississippi (fetal abnormality), Utah (physical health and fetal abnormality), Virginia (fetal abnormality), and Wisconsin (physical health).

All or Most Health Circumstances: Alaska, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Montana, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Vermont, Washington, and West Virginia.

Noncompliant with the Hyde Amendment: South Dakota (life endangerment only)."

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/facts/public_funding.html

Abortions are government funded at both the state and federal level....

[dannno]

And our neighbors call the cops on you, and that makes you angry?

No, I'm actually just being stereotypical about Republicans.

[dannno]

I really hope you're not serious.

"yeah, surely if they have a real job in the city and noise bothers them, they should move out to the boondocks where all those noisy bastards won't bother them."

Maybe it's the noisy people's responsibility to go where they won't bother people who actually have a life that means getting up early for their job.


*Yawn* *Scratch* *Scratch*

Oh, shit, were you talking? I just woke up, must have fallen asleep. You sound boring.

And ya, I actually have a full time job. I'm just not lame.

[jtstellar]

so who is this reillym guy anyway? he didn't even know which side up the weapon he was using yet he jumped out and attacked me from nowhere. besides the hilarity of it all, does he do this all the time?

[dannno]

so who is this reillym guy anyway? he didn't even know which side up the weapon he was wielding yet he jumped out and attacked me from nowhere. besides the hilarity of it all, does he do this all the time?

I've heard he's a DU troll. He likes to make threads supporting the man-made global warming theory and promotes regulations that "make sense".

[jtstellar]

well just came back from arguing with a bunch of progressives on huffingtonPost. the reason i come to paul sites is to get some peace, not to renew battle with some uninformed person who thinks he knows what he's talking about and resort to cynicism and one-liner just to be highlighted with a fantastic fail. this is the same crap people engage in on huffpo. not sure why we keep blatant trolls literally in our home. he should be banned just on the sheer amount of debates he wages then LOSES.. if nothing else.. it's like a lawyer that wages frivolous lawsuit and loses every case in the blink of an eye. not like we're a public funded site that 'claims' we don't do certain things because some crap written on a piece of paper supposedly bans us from doing so, which he buys into like a total sucker, but i digress.

see, he doesn't even have the balls to come back. drop a post and run. what a waste of my time.

[youngbuck]

Omg, the worst part is at the very end... last 20 seconds or so.

[dannno]

the reason i come to paul sites is to get some peace, not to renew battle with some uninformed person who thinks he knows what he's talking about and resort to cynicism and one-liner just to be highlighted with a fantastic fail. .


You're at the wrong RP site :D

But seriously, a little debate is always healthy. Keeps us on our toes.

[jtstellar]

I've heard he's a DU troll. He likes to make threads supporting the man-made global warming theory and promotes regulations that "make sense". actually come to think of it, it gives me greater peace of mind to know he's not a paul supporter. makes me feel less hopeless about it all. i may have been misguided in thinking the shock came from disagreements in debates on paul sites.. that should be common. rather i was shocked because it was probably one of the most stupid posts i have seen a supporter, which i now suspect isn't the case, to ever post. would have been a new low for me. paul base just avoided a dip.. close one.

[FrankRep]

I'm enjoying this immensely

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