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NeoconTea
10-25-2011, 01:52 AM
His half flat/half fair tax, his ties to the Koch brothers, his initial foreign policy answers, his gay marriage to the states stance before he was against it, his pro-choice/life at the same time stance. It just has me wondering.

emazur
10-25-2011, 02:15 AM
He has no philosophy.

He's a neocon who doesn't know it

NeoconTea
10-25-2011, 02:28 AM
Everyone's a neocon who isn't Paul. Gary Johnson, Barack Obama, the list goes on...

1836
10-25-2011, 02:50 AM
His half flat/half fair tax, his ties to the Koch brothers, his initial foreign policy answers, his gay marriage to the states stance before he was against it, his pro-choice/life at the same time stance. It just has me wondering.

No. He has no philosophy.

http://martinparks.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/ob-kj420_philli_g_20101007135039.jpg

emazur
10-25-2011, 03:48 AM
Everyone's a neocon who isn't Paul. Gary Johnson, Barack Obama, the list goes on...

I'm sick of people here calling anyone slightly different from Paul a neocon (Schiff and Rand are other examples), but come one. Cain is..

Pro Patriot Act, anti-Muslim, pretends to advocate fiscal conservatism but won't cut anything, pro-corporatism (bailouts), clueless on economics (pro-Greenspan), says they hate us b/c we're free (http://drezner.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/10/15/this_is_herman_cains_foreign_policy), pro-torture (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/herman-cains-divisive-war-rhetoric/246653/). That sounds like the ultimate neocon, Bush Jrl., but in fact is Cain.


While diplomacy is a critical tool in solving the complex security issues we face, it must never compromise military might. Because we are such a free and prosperous people, we are the envy of the world. Many regimes seek to destroy us because they are threatened by our ideals, and they resent our prosperity. We must acknowledge the real and present danger that terrorist nations and organizations pose to our country’s future.


Have no doubt about it -- there are some Americans, including members of Congress -- who want the terrorists to win," he wrote. "Every time we receive significant intelligence about the enemy, our enemies from within say we obtained is [sic] unconstitutionally, as if terrorists should receive the benefits of our constitutional protections. Every time we achieve a military victory they call for us to 'redeploy' the troops. Setting a date certain for troop withdrawal is like placing a sign in your yard telling the local burglar the times you plan to be away from your home with the front door unlocked. Our enemies from within see our national security as just another political issue."

GeorgiaAvenger
10-25-2011, 06:58 AM
Everyone's a neocon who isn't Paul. Gary Johnson, Barack Obama, the list goes on...False

sanssq
10-25-2011, 07:36 AM
No. Everyone is a neo-con that supports preemptive wars to advance a agenda of US hegemony.

But the idea that neo-cons have no real philosophy has some merit. They claim to be small government, but this bunch is very similar to Woodrow Wilson's original Progressive movement. Pro intervention. Regulate people with more "law and order", Patriot Act, TSA, etc. Like Wilson's progressive tax. A continuing of Central Banking and intervention in the markets via TARP. Much much more.

Notice Neo-Cons don't really oppose big government progressiveness. They cut deals with the big government progressives. And they institute some of their own. Like the Medicare Prescription Improvement and Modernization Act.

Notice that Cain always says he doesn't want to shut down government departments down only "fix them". Notice that his 9-9-9 opens up a additional revenue stream for big government. Of course he also believes in Central Planning via Federal Reserve monetary policies. And notice that Cain is already ready to manipulate the tax code of his 9-9-9 with "opportunity zones".

Anyone that thinks Cain has any understanding of "Libertarian" does not understand what "Libertarian" means.

NeoconTea
10-25-2011, 07:39 AM
False
I was just being sarcastic. Obviously neither are neocons. The point is this board really does overuse the word to describe anyone who isnt Paul, that theres nothing to call the true neocons like Romney and Gingrich.

emazur
10-25-2011, 07:56 AM
I was just being sarcastic. Obviously neither are neocons.

I'd feel pretty comfortable describing Obama as a neocon. He does not differ from Bush Jr. in any substantive way

Working Poor
10-25-2011, 08:31 AM
He has no philosophy.

Oh he believes in himself.

GeorgiaAvenger
10-25-2011, 08:38 AM
I'd feel pretty comfortable describing Obama as a neocon. He does not differ from Bush Jr. in any substantive way

He is not conservative in any way though

emazur
10-25-2011, 08:51 AM
He is not conservative in any way though

In practice, was Bush Jr.?

Hell, I've seen clips where Obama said he was a believer in free markets and capitalism. He's willing to spew forth bullshit to appeal to conservatives, just like Bush.

Obama was also open to mixing religion and politics, only in his case it was for the purpose of achieving socialist goals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4kwvQg8wms But Bush pushed for Medicare Drugs so he was pretty socialist in practice