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FrankRep
10-24-2011, 10:54 AM
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CNBC - 24 Oct 2011




Is the Vatican Throwing Its Support Behind Occupy Wall Street? (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-vatican-throwing-its-support-behind-occupy-wall-street/)
Vatican Releases Economic Proposal that Seems Supportive of Occupy Wall Street

The Blaze
October 24, 2011



http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9F2g15JSbzs


A new document released on Monday by the Vatican has some people wondering if the Catholic Church is aligning itself with the Occupy Wall Street movement.

Father Thomas Reese, a fellow at Georgetown University’s Woodstock Theological Center, describes (http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/10/21/vaticans-economic-statement-will-be-way-to-the-left-of-wall-street-financiers/) the proposal as “closer to views of the ‘Occupy Wall Street’ movement than anyone in the U.S. Congress.”

He also says that it calls for the “redistribution of wealth and the regulation of the world economy by international agencies.” Even more surprising, he contends that it is to the left of both Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi.

The proposal, released by the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, follows up on Pope Benedict XVI’s 2009 economic encyclical that denounced a profit-at-all-cost mentality as responsible for the global financial meltdown.

The 18-page document, entitled (http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/3/12/24976/Business/Economy/Vatican-calls-for-global-authority-on-economy-.aspx), ”Towards Reforming the International Financial and Monetary Systems in the Context of a Global Public Authority,” seeks out technical solutions to global economic problems. The proposal essentially calls for a world-wide governing body that would serve as an economic clearinghouse.

Through this proposal, the Vatican is essentially calling for a radical reform of the world’s financial system, including the creation of a global political authority to manage the economy. According to the Washington Times’ Jennifer Harper (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/23/inside-the-beltway-407343036/?page=all#pagebreak):



The ideas refer back to a 1963 papal encyclical that suggested, “The universal common good presents us with problems, which are worldwide in their dimensions; problems, therefore, which cannot be solved except by a public authority with power, organization and means co-extensive with these problems, and with a worldwide sphere of activity.”


Reuters describes this as follows (http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/article/2011/10/24/id/415466): ”It called for the establishment of ‘a supranational authority with worldwide scope and ’universal jurisdiction’ to guide economic policies and decisions.”

The aim is for a new world economic order based on ethics and the search for the common good. The new document stresses that “the economy needs ethics.” Harper reports that some U.S. Catholic scholars and priests see the document as being a potentially “stark contrast” to the ideals espoused by fiscal conservatives. In the end, the result could be support for the Occupy Wall Street protesters.

For those who may be surprised by this pseudo-endorsement of protest movement, some say that the Pope’s own words showcase his deep support for the redistribution of wealth and government intervention. Reese writes (http://life.nationalpost.com/2011/10/21/vaticans-economic-statement-will-be-way-to-the-left-of-wall-street-financiers/):



The pope disagrees with those who believe that the economy should be free of government regulation. “The conviction that the economy must be autonomous, that it must be shielded from ‘influences’ of a moral character, has led man to abuse the economic process in a thoroughly destructive way,” he writes. “In the long term, these convictions have led to economic, social and political systems that trample upon personal and social freedom, and are therefore unable to deliver the justice that they promise.” [...]

While Benedict acknowledges the role of the market, he emphasizes that “the social doctrine of the Church has unceasingly highlighted the importance of distributive justice and social justice for the market economy.” He unflinchingly supports the “redistribution of wealth” when he talks about the role of government. “Grave imbalances are produced,” he writes, “when economic action, conceived merely as an engine for wealth creation, is detached from political action, conceived as a means for pursuing justice through redistribution.”


It suggested that the reform process begin with the United Nations as its point of reference. Later, the body would become independent.


SOURCE:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/is-the-vatican-throwing-its-support-behind-occupy-wall-street/

pcosmar
10-24-2011, 10:59 AM
No.
They are throwing support behind the NWO. A world Bank.

The occupy movement opposes The Federal Reserve IMF and World Bank.

Chester Copperpot
10-24-2011, 11:00 AM
Man, makes me wonder about the whole Bank of Rome thing now...

FrankRep
10-24-2011, 11:19 AM
The occupy movement opposes The Federal Reserve IMF and World Bank.

Even Bernanke seems supportive of OWS. lol.


Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke On Occupy Wall Street: "I Can't Blame Them"
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/05/336510/bernanke-occupy-wall-street/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9rjqjr0An4&feature=player_embedded

jmdrake
10-24-2011, 02:00 PM
Even Bernanke seems supportive of OWS. lol.


Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke On Occupy Wall Street: "I Can't Blame Them"
http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/10/05/336510/bernanke-occupy-wall-street/



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9rjqjr0An4&feature=player_embedded

Interesting clip. The questioner framed the question well when he pointed out that the protests have been coming from the right and the left, and that both groups of protesters are ultimately protesting against the same thing, but that it's the ones on the left that are currently getting the attention. However Bernanke helped cause the problem in the first place. Typical problem-reaction-solution.

pcosmar
10-24-2011, 02:24 PM
Even Bernanke seems supportive of OWS. lol.



Not supportive enough.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk

He is still there. The Federal Reserve is still there.

If he were to immediately resign and step down, I might consider that supportive.

PatriotOne
10-24-2011, 02:25 PM
The pope has been calling for it for many years. I keep saying all roads lead to Rome (and London) but no one listens.
A few articles over the years.....


Pope calls for a new world order

The Guardian, Thursday 1 January 2004

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jan/02/catholicism.religion


A Pope's new world order: Pope Benedict XVI proposes stunningly radical approach to global economyEditorials

Tuesday, July 7th 2009, 8:17 PM

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2009/07/08/2009-07-08

October 20, 2011

Mikhail Gorbachev Says Uprisings Signal an Emerging New World Order

http://www.lafayette.edu/about/news/2011/10/20/mikhail-gorbachev-says-uprisings-signal-an-emerging-new-world-order/

My friend the late Pope John Paul II said it best. He said, ‘We need a new world order, one that is more stable, more humane, and more just.’ Others, including myself, have spoken about a new world order, but we are still facing the problem of building such a world order…problems of the environment, of backwardness and poverty, food shortages…all because we do not have a system of global governance.”

PatriotOne
10-24-2011, 02:27 PM
No.
They are throwing support behind the NWO. A world Bank.

The occupy movement opposes The Federal Reserve IMF and World Bank.

They ARE the New World Order (at least part of the Trinity making up the NWO).

jmdrake
10-24-2011, 02:47 PM
Not supportive enough.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XySGw-g2tyk

He is still there. The Federal Reserve is still there.

If he were to immediately resign and step down, I might consider that supportive.

+rep. Interesting video. Thanks for sharing.

GeorgiaAvenger
10-24-2011, 06:11 PM
The New World Order

The Pope is EVIL

dannno
10-24-2011, 06:15 PM
Hah, Frank, if Hitler came back to life and said he supported the OWS Movement I'm sure you'd be the first one here to post about it.

FrankRep
10-24-2011, 06:19 PM
Hah, Frank, if Hitler came back to life and said he supported the OWS Movement I'm sure you'd be the first one here to post about it.
Hitler would have blamed the Jewish bankers for destroying the country and would have been supportive of OWS.


http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Occupy_anti-Semite_m1.png


http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/files/2011/10/aag2.jpg

dannno
10-24-2011, 06:22 PM
Hitler was have blamed the Jewish bankers for destroying the country and would have been supportive of OWS.

There have been a whole 3 people out of the tens of thousands participating identified as anti-Semitic. That is not what the movement is about.

AGRP
10-24-2011, 07:05 PM
Who cares? There are outliers (and plants) in every group. What is concerning is that the media, from the start, has diligently worked to define the movement just as they are with Ron Paul. They did it with the Tea Party by defining them as racists and they're doing it with OWS by defining them as anti-Semites. Who does "Frank" work for?

BlackTerrel
10-24-2011, 07:24 PM
The New World Order

The Pope is EVIL

Is this bash Catholics day on RPF? Really good idea to piss off 1/3 of Americans before the primaries...

pcosmar
10-24-2011, 08:11 PM
Is this bash Catholics day on RPF? Really good idea to piss off 1/3 of Americans before the primaries...

Do you think we control the media? Do you think it was Ron Paul supporters that wrote and published the story?
Or any of the other statements by the pope?

No it was not.

James Madison
10-24-2011, 08:16 PM
Is this bash Catholics day on RPF? Really good idea to piss off 1/3 of Americans before the primaries...

No one's bashing Catholics, bro.

jmdrake
10-24-2011, 08:17 PM
Hitler would have blamed the Jewish bankers for destroying the country and would have been supportive of OWS.


http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Occupy_anti-Semite_m1.png


http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/files/2011/10/aag2.jpg

That last image was an end the fed poster. Are you suggesting he would be in favor of ending the fed too? :rolleyes: And if yes who cares?

GeorgiaAvenger
10-24-2011, 08:20 PM
Is this bash Catholics day on RPF? Really good idea to piss off 1/3 of Americans before the primaries...
I am bashing the evil Pope, not Catholics dude

CaptainAmerica
10-24-2011, 08:22 PM
No one's bashing Catholics, bro. the "Pope" is a very strange religious figure in the fact that his position/rank completely contradicts the purpose of Christ. With that being said, I am completely creeped out by such an influential figure/organization endorsing a one world government bank. Subversion through occult is my opinion,and I don't care if people take that offensive,I do say that with real assessment of the situation,and of the organization.

James Madison
10-24-2011, 08:29 PM
the "Pope" is a very strange religious figure in the fact that his position/rank completely contradicts the purpose of Christ. With that being said, I am completely creeped out by such an influential figure/organization endorsing a one world government bank. Subversion through occult is my opinion,and I don't care if people take that offensive,I do say that with real assessment of the situation,and of the organization.

Totally agree. One of the many reasons I'm not Catholic.

BlackTerrel
10-24-2011, 09:25 PM
No one's bashing Catholics, bro.

I'm pretty sure calling the Pope evil isn't going to endear you to Catholics.

BlackTerrel
10-24-2011, 09:26 PM
Totally agree. One of the many reasons I'm not Catholic.

We should make sure these people don't vote for Ron Paul.

Defining Obscene
10-24-2011, 11:20 PM
We don't need to bash Catholics, Catholics bash themselves when they flat out endorse NWO-style "reform".

Becker
10-25-2011, 02:00 AM
Ok dude, I get it, you love Jews, hate Catholics and will not stop showing us how many bad people are behind OWS.

Becker
10-25-2011, 02:02 AM
Hah, Frank, if Hitler came back to life and said he supported the OWS Movement I'm sure you'd be the first one here to post about it.

you beat me to it!

Becker
10-25-2011, 02:05 AM
Hitler would have blamed the Jewish bankers for destroying the country and would have been supportive of OWS.


http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Occupy_anti-Semite_m1.png


http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/files/2011/10/aag2.jpg

What does that mean then Frank?
Does he have it half right? Are bankers a bad, just not Jewish? or are bankers good, and Jewish? Or are banks good, and not Jewish?

Becker
10-25-2011, 02:07 AM
Who cares? There are outliers (and plants) in every group. What is concerning is that the media, from the start, has diligently worked to define the movement just as they are with Ron Paul. They did it with the Tea Party by defining them as racists and they're doing it with OWS by defining them as anti-Semites. Who does "Frank" work for?

Frank works for the JBS and would never allow the same standard to smear his group, or Tea Party, or Ron Paul.

If anybody used the same line of reasoning to bash what he believed, he'll run, lie and deny.

NYgs23
10-25-2011, 02:10 AM
I'm Catholic and this document is totally 100% wrong. Fortunately, it is by no means a binding teaching, just the opinion of some Vatican bureaucrats. Unfortunately, being a priest doesn't teach you a thing about economics or politics.

As an aside, since when has Occupy Wall Street become a "global governance" movement? This seems to have happened overnight...

BlackTerrel
10-26-2011, 08:04 PM
We don't need to bash Catholics, Catholics bash themselves when they flat out endorse NWO-style "reform".

Good. I hope no Catholics vote for Ron Paul then. With our poll numbers we can afford to throw out 1/3 of the electorate.

Sola_Fide
10-26-2011, 08:13 PM
Good. I hope no Catholics vote for Ron Paul then. With our poll numbers we can afford to throw out 1/3 of the electorate.

Yeah, you're right. I definitely do not want to bash anyone who wants to support Paul. If my theological ramblings are doing that, then I definitely want the mods to scale me back:).

But with that said, I want to expose some of these catholic big government types just like I want to expose the "protestant" Rick-Perry type big government people. They get bashed all the time here and I don't see any backlash against that bashing.

BlackTerrel
11-01-2011, 09:10 AM
Yeah, you're right. I definitely do not want to bash anyone who wants to support Paul. If my theological ramblings are doing that, then I definitely want the mods to scale me back:).

I was out of town for a few days so I'm late to respond. I think my point is you can bash Catholic individuals and not bash all Catholics. Judge Napolitano is Catholic and I could probably name 100 others. Comments like the "Pope is evil" "or Catholics bash themselves by their support of NWO" isn't going to help.


But with that said, I want to expose some of these catholic big government types just like I want to expose the "protestant" Rick-Perry type big government people. They get bashed all the time here and I don't see any backlash against that bashing.

Difference being that no one bashes him for his religion? I don't even know what his religion is - no one mentions it.

jmdrake
11-01-2011, 10:10 AM
I'm pretty sure calling the Pope evil isn't going to endear you to Catholics.

I invite you to go to and participate in this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?326250-Catholic-Cardinals-Bishops-Refuse-to-Shake-Pope-Benedicts-Hand

It could help you understand the difference between criticizing the pope and/or the Vatican and bashing Catholics. That is unless you think a significant number of Catholic bishops are actually anti-Catholic.

COpatriot
11-01-2011, 10:20 AM
LOL! I guess we already miss FrankSpam so much that we had to bump one of his stupid threads.

dannno
11-01-2011, 10:29 AM
If our country can publicly and overtly get away with going forward with their true interests (overthrowing Gaddafi) by going against our perceived interests (propping up Al Qaeda), then why can't the Catholic church get away with going forward with their true interests (trying to control populist movements) by going against their perceived interests (propping up a group that generally detests the IMF and the internationalist community which they are apart of)?

BlackTerrel
11-02-2011, 07:36 PM
I invite you to go to and participate in this thread.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?326250-Catholic-Cardinals-Bishops-Refuse-to-Shake-Pope-Benedicts-Hand


I suggest doing a little digging before accepting everything you read. Most here question the MSM which at least has the benefit of being looked at by many people and can be held accountable but no one will dig into a site called thirdsecret.org?

The Pope was NOT trying to shake anyone's hand. He was introducing the guy in front of him with the suit. A couple of the Bishops in front didn't get it and shook his hand. The others just smiled as he walked by. Technically people from the Church aren't supposed to shake his hand. This is a formal introduction gesture practiced by many members of the Church.

Of course like many conspiratorial videos people will believe what they want.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixhSOjrHcec


It could help you understand the difference between criticizing the pope and/or the Vatican and bashing Catholics. That is unless you think a significant number of Catholic bishops are actually anti-Catholic.

Nobody Catholic is going to be ok with calling the Pope evil? You really think someone like Judge Nap would be ok with that?