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nbhadja
10-20-2011, 10:19 AM
Several writers have noted the odd fact that the Libyan rebels took time out from their rebellion in March to create their own central bank - this before they even had a government.

Robert Wenzel wrote in the Economic Policy Journal:
"I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising. This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences."
Alex Newman wrote in the New American:
"In a statement released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on March 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the "[d]esignation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi."
Newman quoted CNBC senior editor John Carney, who asked, "Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power? It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era."

Another anomaly involves the official justification for taking up arms against Libya. Supposedly it's about human rights violations, but the evidence is contradictory. According to an article on the Fox News website on February 28:
As the United Nations works feverishly to condemn Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi for cracking down on protesters, the body's Human Rights Council is poised to adopt a report chock-full of praise for Libya's human rights record.

The review commends Libya for improving educational opportunities, for making human rights a "priority" and for bettering its "constitutional" framework. Several countries, including Iran, Venezuela, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia but also Canada, give Libya positive marks for the legal protections afforded to its citizens - who are now revolting against the regime and facing bloody reprisal.
Whatever might be said of Gaddafi's personal crimes, the Libyan people seem to be thriving. A delegation of medical professionals from Russia, Ukraine and Belarus wrote in an appeal to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev and Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that after becoming acquainted with Libyan life, it was their view that in few nations did people live in such comfort:
[Libyans] are entitled to free treatment, and their hospitals provide the best in the world of medical equipment. Education in Libya is free, capable young people have the opportunity to study abroad at government expense. When marrying, young couples receive 60,000 Libyan dinars (about 50,000 US dollars) of financial assistance. Non-interest state loans, and as practice shows, undated. Due to government subsidies the price of cars is much lower than in Europe, and they are affordable for every family. Gasoline and bread cost a penny, no taxes for those who are engaged in agriculture. The Libyan people are quiet and peaceful, are not inclined to drink, and are very religious.
They maintained that the international community had been misinformed about the struggle against the regime. "Tell us," they said, "who would not like such a regime?"

Even if that is just propaganda, there is no denying at least one very popular achievement of the Libyan government: it brought water to the desert by building the largest and most expensive irrigation project in history, the US$33 billion GMMR (Great Man-Made River) project. Even more than oil, water is crucial to life in Libya.

The GMMR provides 70% of the population with water for drinking and irrigation, pumping it from Libya's vast underground Nubian Sandstone Aquifer System in the south to populated coastal areas 4,000 kilometers to the north. The Libyan government has done at least some things right.

Another explanation for the assault on Libya is that it is "all about oil", but that theory too is problematic. As noted in the National Journal, the country produces only about 2% of the world's oil. Saudi Arabia alone has enough spare capacity to make up for any lost production if Libyan oil were to disappear from the market. And if it's all about oil, why the rush to set up a new central bank?

Another provocative bit of data circulating on the Net is a 2007 "Democracy Now" interview of US General Wesley Clark (Ret). In it he says that about 10 days after September 11, 2001, he was told by a general that the decision had been made to go to war with Iraq. Clark was surprised and asked why. "I don't know!" was the response. "I guess they don't know what else to do!" Later, the same general said they planned to take out seven countries in five years: Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Iran.

What do these seven countries have in common? In the context of banking, one that sticks out is that none of them is listed among the 56 member banks of the Bank for International Settlements (BIS). That evidently puts them outside the long regulatory arm of the central bankers' central bank in Switzerland.

The most renegade of the lot could be Libya and Iraq, the two that have actually been attacked. Kenneth Schortgen Jr, writing on Examiner.com, noted that "[s]ix months before the US moved into Iraq to take down Saddam Hussein, the oil nation had made the move to accept euros instead of dollars for oil, and this became a threat to the global dominance of the dollar as the reserve currency, and its dominion as the petrodollar."

According to a Russian article titled "Bombing of Libya - Punishment for Ghaddafi for His Attempt to Refuse US Dollar", Gaddafi made a similarly bold move: he initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro, and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead, the gold dinar. Gaddafi suggested establishing a united African continent, with its 200 million people using this single currency.

During the past year, the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries. The only opponents were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States. The initiative was viewed negatively by the USA and the European Union, with French President Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind; but Gaddafi was not swayed and continued his push for the creation of a united Africa.

And that brings us back to the puzzle of the Libyan central bank. In an article posted on the Market Oracle, Eric Encina observed:
One seldom mentioned fact by western politicians and media pundits: the Central Bank of Libya is 100% State Owned ... Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. Few can argue that Libya is a sovereign nation with its own great resources, able to sustain its own economic destiny. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.
Libya not only has oil. According to the International Monetary Fund (IMF), its central bank has nearly 144 tonnes of gold in its vaults. With that sort of asset base, who needs the BIS, the IMF and their rules?

All of which prompts a closer look at the BIS rules and their effect on local economies. An article on the BIS website states that central banks in the Central Bank Governance Network are supposed to have as their single or primary objective "to preserve price stability".

They are to be kept independent from government to make sure that political considerations don't interfere with this mandate. "Price stability" means maintaining a stable money supply, even if that means burdening the people with heavy foreign debts. Central banks are discouraged from increasing the money supply by printing money and using it for the benefit of the state, either directly or as loans.

In a 2002 article in Asia Times Online titled "The BIS vs national banks" Henry Liu maintained:
BIS regulations serve only the single purpose of strengthening the international private banking system, even at the peril of national economies. The BIS does to national banking systems what the IMF has done to national monetary regimes. National economies under financial globalization no longer serve national interests.

... FDI [foreign direct investment] denominated in foreign currencies, mostly dollars, has condemned many national economies into unbalanced development toward export, merely to make dollar-denominated interest payments to FDI, with little net benefit to the domestic economies.
He added, "Applying the State Theory of Money, any government can fund with its own currency all its domestic developmental needs to maintain full employment without inflation." The "state theory of money" refers to money created by governments rather than private banks.

The presumption of the rule against borrowing from the government's own central bank is that this will be inflationary, while borrowing existing money from foreign banks or the IMF will not. But all banks actually create the money they lend on their books, whether publicly owned or privately owned. Most new money today comes from bank loans. Borrowing it from the government's own central bank has the advantage that the loan is effectively interest-free. Eliminating interest has been shown to reduce the cost of public projects by an average of 50%.

And that appears to be how the Libyan system works. According to Wikipedia, the functions of the Central Bank of Libya include "issuing and regulating banknotes and coins in Libya" and "managing and issuing all state loans". Libya's wholly state-owned bank can and does issue the national currency and lend it for state purposes.

That would explain where Libya gets the money to provide free education and medical care, and to issue each young couple $50,000 in interest-free state loans. It would also explain where the country found the $33 billion to build the Great Man-Made River project. Libyans are worried that North Atlantic Treaty Organization-led air strikes are coming perilously close to this pipeline, threatening another humanitarian disaster.

So is this new war all about oil or all about banking? Maybe both - and water as well. With energy, water, and ample credit to develop the infrastructure to access them, a nation can be free of the grip of foreign creditors. And that may be the real threat of Libya: it could show the world what is possible.

Most countries don't have oil, but new technologies are being developed that could make non-oil-producing nations energy-independent, particularly if infrastructure costs are halved by borrowing from the nation's own publicly owned bank. Energy independence would free governments from the web of the international bankers, and of the need to shift production from domestic to foreign markets to service the loans.

If the Gaddafi government goes down, it will be interesting to watch whether the new central bank joins the BIS, whether the nationalized oil industry gets sold off to investors, and whether education and healthcare continue to be free.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MD14Ak02.html

Old article, but it pretty much tells you why we are invading Libya.

FrankRep
10-20-2011, 10:23 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Central_Bank_of_Libya.jpg/220px-Central_Bank_of_Libya.jpg



As analysts debate possible motives behind President Obama's United Nations-backed military intervention in Libya, one angle that has received attention in recent days is the rebels' decision to establish an oil company and a new central bank to replace dictator Muammar Gadhafi's state-owned monetary authority.


"Libyan Rebels" Create Central Bank, Oil Company (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6915-libyan-rebels-create-central-bank-oil-company)


Alex Newman | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
30 March 2011


As analysts debate possible motives behind President Obama’s United Nations-backed military intervention in Libya, one angle that has received attention in recent days is the rebels’ seemingly odd decision to establish a new central bank to replace dictator Muammar Gadhafi's state-owned monetary authority — possibly the first time in history that revolutionaries have taken time out from an ongoing life-and-death battle to create such an institution, according to observers.

In a statement (http://ntclibya.org/english/meeting-on-19-march-2011/) released last week, the rebels reported on the results of a meeting held on March 19. Among other things, the supposed rag-tag revolutionaries announced the “[d]esignation of the Central Bank of Benghazi as a monetary authority competent in monetary policies in Libya and appointment of a Governor to the Central Bank of Libya, with a temporary headquarters in Benghazi.”

The Gadhafi regime’s central bank (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Bank_of_Libya) — unlike the U.S. Federal Reserve, which is owned (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/economy/markets-mainmenu-45/3731-fed-manipulations-in-the-crosshairs) by private shareholders — was among the few central banks in the world that was entirely state-owned. At the moment, it is unclear exactly who owns the rebel’s central bank or how it will be governed.

The so-called Interim Transitional National Council, the rebels’ self-appointed new government for Libya purporting (http://ntclibya.org/english/meeting-on-19-march-2011/) to be the “sole legitimate representative of Libyan People,” also trumpeted the creation of a new “Libyan Oil Company” based in the rebel stronghold city of Benghazi. The North African nation, of course, has the continent’s largest proven oil reserves.

The U.S. government and the U.N. have both recently announced (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/28/us-libya-oil-rebels-idUSTRE72R6X620110328) that the rebels would be free to sell oil under their control — if they do it without Gaddafi’s National Oil Corporation. And the first shipments are set to start next week, according to news reports (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/28/us-libya-oil-rebels-idUSTRE72R6X620110328) citing a spokesman for the rebels.

But the creation of a new central bank, even more so than the new national oil regime, left analysts scratching their heads. “I have never before heard of a central bank being created in just a matter of weeks out of a popular uprising,” noted (http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/03/libyan-rebels-form-central-bank.html) Robert Wenzel in an analysis for the Economic Policy Journal. “This suggests we have a bit more than a rag tag bunch of rebels running around and that there are some pretty sophisticated influences.”

Wenzel also noted that the uprising looked like a “major oil and money play, with the true disaffected rebels being used as puppets and cover” while the transfer of control over money and oil supplies takes place. And other analysts agreed.

A popular blog called The Economic Collapse used sarcasm to express suspicions about the strange rebel announcement. “Perhaps when this conflict is over those rebels can become time management consultants. They sure do get a lot done,” joked the piece, entitled “Wow That Was Fast! Libyan Rebels Have Already Established A New Central Bank Of Libya (http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/wow-that-was-fast-libyan-rebels-have-already-established-a-new-central-bank-of-libya).”

The blog also commented, sarcastically again, on the possibility of outside involvement. “What a skilled bunch of rebels — they can fight a war during the day and draw up a new central bank and a new national oil company at night without any outside help whatsoever. If only the rest of us were so versatile! … Apparently someone felt that it was very important to get pesky matters such as control of the banks and control of the money supply out of the way even before a new government is formed,” read the piece.

Even mainstream news outlets were puzzled. “Is this the first time a revolutionary group has created a central bank while it is still in the midst of fighting the entrenched political power?” wondered (http://www.cnbc.com/id/42308613) CNBC senior editor John Carney. “It certainly seems to indicate how extraordinarily powerful central bankers have become in our era.”

But some observers are convinced that the central bank issue was actually the primary motivation for the international war against Libya‘s dictatorship. In an article that has spread far and wide across the web, entitled “Globalists Target 100% State Owned Central Bank of Libya (http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article27208.html),” author Eric Encina maintains that the world’s “globalist financiers and market manipulators” could not stand the Libyan monetary authority’s independence, explaining:



Currently, the Libyan government creates its own money, the Libyan Dinar, through the facilities of its own central bank. One major problem for globalist banking cartels is that in order to do business with Libya, they must go through the Libyan Central Bank and its national currency, a place where they have absolutely zero dominion or power-broking ability. Hence, taking down the Central Bank of Libya (CBL) may not appear in the speeches of Obama, Cameron and Sarkozy but this is certainly at the top of the globalist agenda for absorbing Libya into its hive of compliant nations.


And when Gadhafi is gone and the dust has settled, according to Encina, “you will see the Allied reformers move in to reform Libya’s monetary system, pumping it full of worthless dollars, priming it for a series of chaotic inflationary cycles.” The future of Libya’s vast gold stockpiles could also be in jeopardy, he noted.

Numerous other analysts and experts have also pointed to the central banking issue as one of the top factors leading up to the Western backing of Libyan rebels. Monetary historian Andrew Gause, for example, recently shared his concerns (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y9GiAT4T96o) about the matter publicly.

Other points made in the rebels’ odd announcement (http://ntclibya.org/english/meeting-on-19-march-2011/) last week included preparations to send Gadhafi to the U.N.’s International Criminal Court for trial, the selection of diplomats to send abroad, and the desire for other governments to recognize the Transitional National Council as the legitimate new rulers of Libya. France has already done so, and other governments may soon follow suit.

Of course, the U.S. government claims (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/29/us-libya-usa-intelligence-idUSTRE72S43P20110329?pageNumber=1) to have very little knowledge about who the rebels actually are. But the U.S. Commander of NATO forces recently admitted (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/29/us-libya-usa-intelligence-idUSTRE72S43P20110329?pageNumber=1) to the Senate that hints of al Qaeda involvement have been detected among the rebels. The terror group was created, armed, funded, and trained by the U.S. government decades ago, as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton admitted (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A__vw5Vuwp0) even recently. But since then, it has targeted American embassies and other U.S. targets.

As The New American reported (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6855-un-obama-fighting-alongside-al-qaeda-in-libya) over the weekend, elements of al Qaeda and affiliated terror groups are indeed among the leadership of the revolution. But despite that fact, the U.S. government and the international coalition are providing air support and weapons for the new central-bank-creating rebels. Where the conflict goes from here is uncertain, but Western regimes have vowed not to let Gaddafi remain in power.



Related articles:

UN, Obama Fighting Alongside Al-Qaeda in Libya (http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6855-un-obama-fighting-alongside-al-qaeda-in-libya)

Libya Costs Will Undermine GOP Savings (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/economy/economics-mainmenu-44/6828-libya-costs-will-undermine-gops-savings)

Paul, Kucinich Seek to Defund "Impeachable" War on Libya (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/6826-paul-kucinich-seek-to-defund-impeachable-war-on-libya)

Obama, Clinton, and Biden Agree: War on Libya Is Unconstitutional (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/6791-obama-clinton-and-biden-agree-war-on-libya-is-unconstitutional)

UN Trumps Constitution, Congress in President's Undeclared War on Libya (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/6782-un-trumps-constitution-congress-in-presidents-undeclared-war-on-libya)

A Real Cost/Benefit Analysis of Libyan Intervention (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6761-a-real-costbenefit-analysis-of-libyan-intervention)

Libya: One Quagmire Too Far? (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/africa-mainmenu-27/6752-libya-one-quagmire-too-far)

On Libya, It's the Beltway Interventionists vs. Ron Paul and the Founders (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/6741-on-libya-its-the-beltway-interventionists-vs-ron-paul-and-the-founders)

A Bad Investment: Blowback in the Middle East (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/857)

Magicman
10-20-2011, 10:32 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O35_Ai6EsMU

jmdrake
10-20-2011, 10:34 AM
It's about both. And it's about how our corrupt government actually supports Al Qaeda. Forget WTC 7 and the whole 9/11 truth movement. The treason is staring right in the dumbed down eyes of the average American sheeple who's too zonked out on prescription drugs to notice. We're supporting a movement that brags about killing U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. And people still want to argue about whether or not out government is evil enough to pull off false flag terror?

HOLLYWOOD
10-20-2011, 10:35 AM
Libya Rebels didn't create jack shit. The formed Central Bank.. it was the CIA/CFR/Mi5-Mi6/ then the FIAT counterfeiting Central Banksters concocted the money laundring gameplan. Funding then to route weaponry from the other Imperial puppeted nations, Qatar, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan to the Rebel/Terrorists hands.


THe Gold Dinar, United Africa with a lot of Oil and of course... Libya's $5 Trillion in resources... Sweetest Grade Crude Oil, NAT-GAS, Water Tabels, and Strategic Sea Ports. Additionally the game was ideal to execute with a very controllable small, sparce, and segrgated-tribal population.

eduardo89
10-20-2011, 11:04 AM
The thing about Libyan oil is its very good quality. Saudi and Kuwaiti crude don't compared and need to be refined much more to produce plastics or specialized chemicals.

donnay
10-20-2011, 11:14 AM
It's about both, Gaddafi called for a gold payment for Oil sales. So he would not accept the dollar, like Iran.

Sources:
http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/libya-invasion-gaddafi-plan-gold-dinar/

oyarde
10-20-2011, 11:38 AM
Libya Rebels didn't create jack shit. The formed Central Bank.. it was the CIA/CFR/Mi5-Mi6/ then the FIAT counterfeiting Central Banksters concocted the money laundring gameplan. Funding then to route weaponry from the other Imperial puppeted nations, Qatar, Egypt, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Pakistan to the Rebel/Terrorists hands.


THe Gold Dinar, United Africa with a lot of Oil and of course... Libya's $5 Trillion in resources... Sweetest Grade Crude Oil, NAT-GAS, Water Tabels, and Strategic Sea Ports. Additionally the game was ideal to execute with a very controllable small, sparce, and segrgated-tribal population. Yes.

IBleedNavyAndOrange
10-20-2011, 11:48 AM
Who would have thought the day would come where I agreed with something Cynthia McKinney says!?

Bosco Warden
10-20-2011, 02:47 PM
WOW, this is very interesting read, I would think this should be pushed to the pubis to convey the importance of getting rid of the FED and supporting Dr.Paul. I am surprised no one else has commented.

I mean the public is just stupid, I am sure we can agree on that much, right?

wouldnt this be like connecting the dots....

kill the banks
10-20-2011, 02:51 PM
kill the bank

bill1971
10-20-2011, 02:57 PM
It's about both, Gaddafi called for a gold payment for Oil sales. So he would not accept the dollar, like Iran.

Sources:
http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/libya-invasion-gaddafi-plan-gold-dinar/

Wow, very good read. Very suspicious.

Anti Federalist
10-20-2011, 03:42 PM
It's about both, Gaddafi called for a gold payment for Oil sales. So he would not accept the dollar, like Iran.

Sources:
http://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/libya-invasion-gaddafi-plan-gold-dinar/

Yes, that ^^^

tribute_13
10-20-2011, 04:00 PM
I am saddened by the death of Gaddafi. A brutal dictator providing free care and free housing to all citizens, giving individuals the means of production in order to start their own careers and paying partial costs for cars. If he's a dictator, I only wish there were more Gaddafi's fighting the corrupt influences. I just think its disgusting that before news agencies reported the uprising against the july bombings as an uprising on Gaddafi instead of against the U.N., that most Americans had no clue who Gaddafi was. Yet in a single 10-15 minute time frame, they learned who he was what they were supposed to think and began copying whatever sentiment the pundits were expressing. Once again, I'm sad Gaddafi is dead. May he rest in peace.

No Free Beer
10-20-2011, 04:11 PM
Same bullshit, different President...

bill1971
10-20-2011, 06:24 PM
I am saddened by the death of Gaddafi. A brutal dictator providing free care and free housing to all citizens, giving individuals the means of production in order to start their own careers and paying partial costs for cars. If he's a dictator, I only wish there were more Gaddafi's fighting the corrupt influences. I just think its disgusting that before news agencies reported the uprising against the july bombings as an uprising on Gaddafi instead of against the U.N., that most Americans had no clue who Gaddafi was. Yet in a single 10-15 minute time frame, they learned who he was what they were supposed to think and began copying whatever sentiment the pundits were expressing. Once again, I'm sad Gaddafi is dead. May he rest in peace.


Maybe the american people don't know what he did, but those thousands in the streets celebrating his death lived under him for all of those years, you and I didn't.

jason43
10-20-2011, 06:33 PM
Maybe the american people don't know what he did, but those thousands in the streets celebrating his death lived under him for all of those years, you and I didn't.

I'd put $100 that after a few years under whatever dictator the banksters put in, the debt slavery, and the oil exploitation, they will look back on Gaddafi as "the good old days"

HOLLYWOOD
10-20-2011, 08:20 PM
Maybe the american people don't know what he did, but those thousands in the streets celebrating his death lived under him for all of those years, you and I didn't.The United States is approximately evenly split in the duopoly... If Dubya Bush was killed in say 2007, You would have Millions cheering in the streets.

I don't think you understand how governments create their left/right paradigms and how they used the people. Just watch the original Frankenstein and you can see how easy it is to get the people out in the streets with Pitch Forks and Torches. Everybody loves a common enemy, unknowly created by the government tyrants.

PS: NO ONE has killed more innocent people in the world than the US government over the past decade... that goes domestically and internationally.

bill1971
10-21-2011, 09:46 AM
I very much understand the left and right paradigms to control the people, that's why Ron Paul has to run as a republican when he isn't one. I agree that there is more than this than meets the eye but to deny the bad stuff he has done is just being blind, as well as ignoring the bad things our govt has done and is doing.

Philhelm
10-21-2011, 10:47 AM
I very much understand the left and right paradigms to control the people, that's why Ron Paul has to run as a republican when he isn't one. I agree that there is more than this than meets the eye but to deny the bad stuff he has done is just being blind, as well as ignoring the bad things our govt has done and is doing.

How is Ron Paul not a Republican? Is he not a Republican congressman? Do we not have to register as Republicans in order to vote for him in the primary? A political party is an empty vessel; it's the ideologies of those within the party that determine what the party stands for.

bill1971
10-21-2011, 11:12 AM
How is Ron Paul not a Republican? Is he not a Republican congressman? Do we not have to register as Republicans in order to vote for him in the primary? A political party is an empty vessel; it's the ideologies of those within the party that determine what the party stands for.

His beliefs are much more algned with libertarian's, he has to align himself with one of the two parties in power in order to even have any chance of winning and being heard. The republicans just have more incommon with his view, and by the way I mean the old school republicans, not the Neo cons that took it over.

Jake Ralston
10-21-2011, 11:22 AM
How is Ron Paul not a Republican? Is he not a Republican congressman? Do we not have to register as Republicans in order to vote for him in the primary? A political party is an empty vessel; it's the ideologies of those within the party that determine what the party stands for.

LOL whoa whoa people don't jump on it. I got this one. Always down for a little education ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF6Dt7SS_yw

V3n
10-21-2011, 11:28 AM
Lindsey Graham said it was for the oil.

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/10/20/348754/graham-libya-money-to-be-made/


"Let’s get in on the ground. There is a lot of money to be made in the future in Libya. Lot of oil to be produced."

I didn't think they were supposed to say that out loud, but there you go.

bill1971
10-21-2011, 11:28 AM
LOL whoa whoa people don't jump on it. I got this one. Always down for a little education ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF6Dt7SS_yw

That was awesome. I try to tell my left leaning brother this and right leaning father, but they dont see it. Actually, even though my dad is a Limbaugh republican, he starts to see it.

Philhelm
10-23-2011, 11:23 AM
His beliefs are much more algned with libertarian's, he has to align himself with one of the two parties in power in order to even have any chance of winning and being heard. The republicans just have more incommon with his view, and by the way I mean the old school republicans, not the Neo cons that took it over.

"Republican" is merely a party name. At this point in time, people tend to associate it with conservatism (whatever that means to different people). If everyone in the Republican Party were like Ron Paul, the term "Republican" would have a much different connotation with people.

Edit: My point is that "Republican" is not an ideology; it's a party name. Ron Paul is a Republican (whether he condones the party system or not) by virtue of being affiliated with the Republican Party.

Philhelm
10-23-2011, 11:41 AM
LOL whoa whoa people don't jump on it. I got this one. Always down for a little education ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF6Dt7SS_yw

I don't need to be educated. I oppose the party system too, and understand full well why Ron Paul picked the party he did. So, I don't have to be registered as a Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the Republican primary, since he's not a Republican...right?

Revolution9
10-23-2011, 11:43 AM
"Republican" is merely a party name. At this point in time, people tend to associate it with conservatism (whatever that means to different people). If everyone in the Republican Party were like Ron Paul, the term "Republican" would have a much different connotation with people.

Edit: My point is that "Republican" is not an ideology; it's a party name. Ron Paul is a Republican (whether he condones the party system or not) by virtue of being affiliated with the Republican Party.

This is the truth unvarnished.

Furthermore...The libertarian co-opting gambit is getting worn out and extremely annoying. They cannot even define themselves as a bloc coherently as none are on the same pages. Right up there with the idiots trying to get the RP movement co-opted into the Israel firster movement of the neocon stripe. The Republican Party is an American political party based primarily on the concept that America is a REPUBLIC and not a democracy. It is not linked to Likud or socialist/fascist/apartheid Israel except by infiltration of treasonous elements. And do not fill my PM about this statement based on truth. I will not self censor myself based on your petty political expediency.

Rev9